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19-04-2021, 04:40 PM
ekhibee

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Originally Posted by Kato

https://twitter.com/dannykellywords/...216000/photo/1

Fascinating read that, basically these clubs are so far in debt that they have to gamble on a one off chance to recoup the debts that they owe.
19-04-2021, 04:44 PM
Onion

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Hibs can’t afford them to leave without us having to head to another league as well.

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That depends. If UEFA still control the bulk of football and can still generate huge revenues this could open the door for clubs like Hibs, Hearts, Aberdeen to compete and benefit from extra European places.

I hope the 12 get tossed out of next season's European competitions, opening up a dozen CL places. Hibs might get dropped straight into the Europa Group stages :greengrin
19-04-2021, 04:44 PM
Stonewall

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Originally Posted by Onion

The Rangers and Celtic will be licking their lips at all this European League stuff. It's exactly the kind of disruptive event that can get them out of Scotland and into the land of milk and honey. If a power struggle ensues between UEFA and the 12, all it would take is for the 12 to start "inviting" the likes of Celtic and The Rangers to join them - perhaps to set up a 2nd division, with protect of promotion to play the 12 at some point.

Can you ever imagine Celtic or The Rangers turning down such an invite ? No chance.

The American owners don’t want relegation so a second division seems unlikely.

interesting to see what the big German clubs do.
19-04-2021, 04:46 PM
The_Exile

I think there will be so much opposition across the board for this that it simply won't get enough traction to go ahead. However, if it does, I will quite happily sit and watch from afar while the boat sinks, and be quite thankful that proper fitba will carry on regardless.
19-04-2021, 04:48 PM
JeMeSouviens

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Originally Posted by Stonewall

The American owners don’t want relegation so a second division seems unlikely.

interesting to see what the big German clubs do.

NFL style conferences would be more likely if they expand.
19-04-2021, 04:50 PM
Stonewall

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Originally Posted by ekhibee

Fascinating read that, basically these clubs are so far in debt that they have to gamble on a one off chance to recoup the debts that they owe.

My Heart bleeds.
19-04-2021, 04:51 PM
Billy Whizz

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Originally Posted by Stonewall

The American owners don’t want relegation so a second division seems unlikely.

interesting to see what the big German clubs do.

One of the Ex players on Sky, basically saying the American model, doesn’t work in Europe. I know the Glaziers borrowed heavy money to buy Man Utd, what is the Liverpool situation with debt?

We now have 3 American type owners in our top league at Aberdeen, Dundee Utd and Hibs. Think United and Aberdeen have a fair bit of debt, not sure they get out of it?
19-04-2021, 04:53 PM
The dalmeny

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6531490[/URL]]I find myself agreeing with both Boris Johnson and Neil Doncaster in the same day - something is clearly badly wrong!

Mother of god
19-04-2021, 04:57 PM
SteveHFC

https://twitter.com/English_AS/status/1384183158929649675?s=20
19-04-2021, 05:01 PM
MWHIBBIES

Really hope they do kick them out the CL and Man United/Arsenal out of the Europa league. That will genuinely show them that it is serious.
19-04-2021, 05:10 PM
hibsbollah

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

NFL style conferences would be more likely if they expand.

Also, there is no way they want their 6 UK franchises concentrated like they are, 3 in London, and 3 in theNorth West of England as they are at the moment. Franchising means moving cities, inevitably. Moscow City or Kuala Lumpur Red Devils, anyone? It’s not like the owners aren’t from Russia or the Gulf or anything :dunno: If you want the NFL/NBA model, accept the consequences.
19-04-2021, 05:11 PM
Onion

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Originally Posted by Stonewall

The American owners don’t want relegation so a second division seems unlikely.

interesting to see what the big German clubs do.

The Dirty Dozen will be vaccinated against relegation. The others invited to join them will sign whatever terms they're offered. Players, Managers, Commentators, Media, Owners will all be whoring themselves before long, simply because of the money involved.

I'd be absolutely astonished if Celtic and The Rangers have not already been in discussions. Give it a day or two and sentiment towards this breakaway will change. Fans of the 12 will not give a jot about this, or the wider good of the game. They will pay ££££ to support their team.
19-04-2021, 05:14 PM
whiskyhibby

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Originally Posted by Onion

Not if UEFA/FIFA have anything to do with it. The SFA?SPFL will be told exactly what to do with any applications from Celtic/Sevco.

I like the idea of the UK/Spanish/Italian governments introducing a hefty Super Tax on these European League clubs, with the proceeds used to bolster National competition/leagues and grass roots football. The game is far too important for it to be hijacked by a handful of greedy owners who have little to no interest in the game itself.

good point, it also amazes me how UEFA can allow a football team play in the Champions league with near £1Bn of debt, so much for the fair play rules.....
19-04-2021, 05:18 PM
Hibernia&Alba

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

Really hope they do kick them out the CL and Man United/Arsenal out of the Europa league. That will genuinely show them that it is serious.

It will be very interesting to watch the fallout. Neither side can afford to back down now, more so UEFA and the national associations. It's the last chance for UEFA to show some integrity themselves.
19-04-2021, 05:19 PM
Lendo

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

Really hope they do kick them out the CL and Man United/Arsenal out of the Europa league. That will genuinely show them that it is serious.

I’ve bet on PSG, Villarreal and Roma to win their games. Banking on UEFA kicking out the others and awarding 3-0 wins to each.

It’ll never happen though.
19-04-2021, 05:20 PM
Hibernia&Alba

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Originally Posted by whiskyhibby

good point, it also amazes me how UEFA can allow a football team play in the Champions league with near £1Bn of debt, so much for the fair play rules.....

Haven't the FFFP already been scrapped? I thought that happened when the Man City ban was overturned?
19-04-2021, 05:24 PM
AliboyFC

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Originally Posted by mayo hibee

Just read the format there. It sounds ***** to be honest. Two groups of 10 in a league format. Every other team playing off for the chance to be one of five teams that get to join the mighty 15 (which somehow includes Tottenham) in their competition. Let them off if that's what they want to do - but suspend them from domestic and European competition effective immediately.

Leicester for the premier league again?!

If it does happen leicester will probably win again most likely.
19-04-2021, 05:26 PM
Ozyhibby

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Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba

It will be very interesting to watch the fallout. Neither side can afford to back down now, more so UEFA and the national associations. It's the last chance for UEFA to show some integrity themselves.

Neither side can back down but there is a chance that one or two of the 12 lose their bottle. Although I would expect that there would be massive financial penalties from the super league if they do.

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19-04-2021, 05:26 PM
AliboyFC

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Originally Posted by mayo hibee

Just read the format there. It sounds ***** to be honest. Two groups of 10 in a league format. Every other team playing off for the chance to be one of five teams that get to join the mighty 15 (which somehow includes Tottenham) in their competition. Let them off if that's what they want to do - but suspend them from domestic and European competition effective immediately.

Leicester for the premier league again?!

If this does happen leicester will probably win the league again most likely.
19-04-2021, 05:28 PM
Ozyhibby

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Originally Posted by AliboyFC

If this does happen leicester will probably win the league again most likely.

Surely West Ham would be favourites if you discount games v the dirty 6?

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19-04-2021, 05:41 PM
WeeRussell

Someone mentioned Andy Walker earlier on the thread. It might be the clip I watched was different but to be fair to him (as I was ready to criticise him once again as well!) he only appeared to say that Celtic and rangers would jump at the chance and that would be down to money.. he didn’t actually say they SHOULD be involved. Basically calling the old firm what they are, like we all would.

On a totally different point. I was thinking about how often the managers of these English clubs involved are always bleating about having to play at reasonable times at the weekend, after playing midweek in Europe.. yet their clubs are wanting to sign-up to add a regular midweek competition!
19-04-2021, 05:48 PM
Dr What If?

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Originally Posted by Stonewall

The American owners don’t want relegation so a second division seems unlikely.

interesting to see what the big German clubs do.

Plan is to have a 20 team competition with 15 'permanent' members. The other five places will be competed for via a qualifying competition each season. The intention is to still have teams playing in their domestic competitions on a weekend with ESL games played midweek.
19-04-2021, 05:49 PM
Bishop Hibee

Quite possible that Amazon Prime or Disney will buy up the rights for a Superleague.

Just watched an Internazionale fan in Beijing on the BBC news saying he’s keen on the idea as it’ll mean more competitive games. Says it all really.
19-04-2021, 05:49 PM
SteveHFC

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Originally Posted by Bishop Hibee

Quite possible that Amazon Prime or Disney will buy up the rights for a Superleague.

Just watched an Internazionale fan in Beijing on the BBC news saying he’s keen on the idea as it’ll mean more competitive games. Says it all really.

Only plastic fans are keen on this idea
19-04-2021, 05:51 PM
Bishop Hibee

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Originally Posted by SteveHFC

Only plastic fans are keen on this idea

Millions of them round the world. This guy had all the merchandise and pride of place a photo of himself outside the San Siro. That’s the fans they are interested in.
19-04-2021, 05:54 PM
Dr What If?

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Originally Posted by Onion

I'd be absolutely astonished if Celtic and The Rangers have not already been in discussions. Give it a day or two and sentiment towards this breakaway will change. Fans of the 12 will not give a jot about this, or the wider good of the game. They will pay ££££ to support their team.

ESL would not be interested in these 'diddy' teams, they are leaving the door open for the likes of PSG, Bayern and Ajax.....if these guys don't sign up there will be a big list of far more attractive prospects before they get to the OF.
19-04-2021, 06:23 PM
Hibernia&Alba

Carragher and Neville are spot on. They are ashamed of their clubs :top marks
19-04-2021, 06:24 PM
JeMeSouviens

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

Also, there is no way they want their 6 UK franchises concentrated like they are, 3 in London, and 3 in theNorth West of England as they are at the moment. Franchising means moving cities, inevitably. Moscow City or Kuala Lumpur Red Devils, anyone? It’s not like the owners aren’t from Russia or the Gulf or anything :dunno: If you want the NFL/NBA model, accept the consequences.

:agree:

I’m sure World Super League will be the longer term aim.

Although we’re all being mean calling it a closed shop. Apparently the founding clubs are only guaranteed membership for the first 23 years. :greengrin
19-04-2021, 06:25 PM
SteveHFC

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Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba

Carragher and Neville are spot on. They are ashamed of their clubs :top marks

Klopp too.
19-04-2021, 06:29 PM
Baader

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Originally Posted by Bishop Hibee

Quite possible that Amazon Prime or Disney will buy up the rights for a Superleague.

Just watched an Internazionale fan in Beijing on the BBC news saying he’s keen on the idea as it’ll mean more competitive games. Says it all really.

Equally possible that they won't. If its empty stadiums and players that are effectively embargoed from all other competitions no broadcaster will go near it. I do think these greedy owners are overestimating the interest outside of Europe. How long would people be interested in seeing Man City hammer Arsenal or Real Madrid beat Spurs year on year?

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