What was pulis win ratio?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hermit Crab
Up there with Jock Stein?
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What was pulis win ratio?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hermit Crab
Up there with Jock Stein?
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Wow, like that makes a difference right enough. He doesn’t live in Edinburgh never mind Scotland. Enough for me to suggest he doesn’t see us a long term job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
Lose the semi final and he needs to go.
I admit that the last two performances have been abject but I'm hoping that the board are more sensible than some the people on this
Let see we are in a semi final of the league cup and fighting for a eurpean spot and some but not all are calling for the manager to be replaced first off it will cost the club to pay him off no logic some fans need to start being fans I followed hibs since 1965 and believe this is not the worst time in being a fan
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He has spoken regularly about wanting to be at Hibs long term and build something at the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by aldo85
He lives where he does because of his family. Don’t see any issue with it.
Or he chose not to uproot when he lost the Sunderland job. Who cares?Quote:
Originally Posted by aldo85
Come on, he should move away from them to live on Easter RoadQuote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Pre requisite for the job.
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Originally Posted by Callum_62
7 points from 10 games.
And if David Gray burns his Hibs shirt and joins Hearts he's no longer a club legend. Why bother thinking about such unrealistic ideas until they happen or come close to happening? Unless you've got an agenda against Ross that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carheenlea
Hes virtually the same distance as the Glasgow based players to HTC so that argument is a load of nonsense.
Ross has done a decent job with the tools at his disposal. Its still not his fault that our squad is full of players on long term contracts he doesn't trust.
That blame falls at the feet of our current Sporting Director and ex head of recruitment Mr Emotion Remover
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Originally Posted by HFCEighteen75
So you don't think we will lose to Celtic? The idea of us winning is unrealistic...
1 win and 4 draws in 10 gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by Hermit Crab
I would never say any manager should be sacked after 10 games right enough
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Celtic counts as four games rolled into one now aye?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hermit Crab
You're just deliberately acting the dafty now eh...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by HFCEighteen75
Stubbs and Hibs are a good fit not saying Ross out but it’s concerning tho just now needs to change things in window be interesting to see if Ron sanctions esp with current situation
He probably gets to East Mains quicker than boys commuting from Glasgow etc!Quote:
Originally Posted by aldo85
Ross and Neilson look as equally good/bad. That's worrying for me. Both have teams set up the same, same kind of personalities and both worked under Levein.
It's a complete toss of a coin who is the better manager. Hands in his pockets talking to our assistant Potter (ironic) no passion or ****. Ross and even Doolan would be a good match. Then we have bumping Combe for very little when he's a hibee and replacing him with an utter pony ex goalie because he is Ross' pal.
I’ve been critical of Ross and I don’t think this Hibs team are particularly good., that said though, his win % stats are impressive and they can’t just be discounted as irrelevant because you’re on the other side of the argument.
Fwiw I just think he’s not a good fit for Hibs. On paper Alex Miller put together a good team with exciting players and won a cup but he wasn’t a good fit and was never popular.
On paper Bobby Williamson took over a struggling Hibs team and brought through the golden generation (I hate that phrase) but wasn’t a good fit for us and I think most were relieved when he left.
On paper it is ridiculous that people are even considering sacking Jack Ross, looking at his stats there’s no way he should be under any pressure at all. Unfortunately for him though I suspect the writing is on the wall. We aren’t playing well just now and I suspect results like the last 2 will become a bit more common place, as soon as his win % starts to slide it will be thrown back at him and used as a stick to beat him with.
I personally don’t think he’ll ever recover from that semi final defeat. He’s got a great opportunity to do so by winning the league cup but even if he does, people will put it down tk not having to beat any big teams (in the same way people discredit John Collins trophy win by putting it down to Mowbrays team)
What has that got to do with the postQuote:
Originally Posted by SweetDreams
Yes - me too and that was a major disappointment of course. But that was last season's Scottish Cup - this season's Scottish is only just getting started.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetDreams
As it goes, the LC Semi is all the more of a test for Ross for his failure to get past Hearts to last season's SC Final. I hope he can pull us out of this nosedive in form and get us to Hampden this time. If he fails it aint going to be pretty around here that's for sure.
The last couple of games have been brutal and I won’t pretend to have exactly loved the football over the past year, but talk of binning Ross is lunacy.
Part of our problem is that we have too many patch up players. Part of the problem during our last decline was that we constantly had to patch up the team and get rid of players bought in by previous managers who only stayed a short while. Bucketloads of precious cash was wasted in this way.
My main issue is that we don’t really look like we’re building anything. Who do you really still see being a part of our team in 2-3 years?
What doesn’t fix that is getting rid of a young manager and starting a cycle of emergency repairs - and it’s hardly called for when we’re 4th in the league.
We need to regroup, learn some lessons and tweak the squad with a few outgoings and arrivals. Remaining 4th, winning the LC and a decent run in the Scottish would arguably be the best season in my time following Hibs. It’s all achievable. And none of the good seasons we’ve had in my time have been achieved without the odd grim result or performance along the way.
Hopefully whoever has their finger the “f*** it” button has a bit of restraint than those on here.
And that’s without wanting to excuse any aspects of the last pitiful 180 minutes of football we’ve had to endure.
And he’ll be there quicker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbo6-2
Not any of the current Midfield who play today would be an improvement on our Cup Final winning team or our Championship promotion side. Our returning players from competing opponents who were deemed no longer good enough and were sent packing ie Fonts, Efe, Marvin & Milligan etc have not been upgraded. I agree our recruitment has been poor and our judgement from those in a position to set standards has failed miserably. Regarding our manager he should be given until the end of this season and judged accordingly unless there is a total collapse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbo6-2
The manager and the team should be judged at the end of the season which could still result in a trophy and a decent league finish. I believe that it is still early days in the clubs quest to be consistent.
Can't see us winning any of the upcoming games. Really bleak times. Almost like the early 80's.
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Transfer window might be our best hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by EI255
We need something though.
He’s certainly under pressure Smartie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
We had no big win in 2020. Pumped off Hearts at home and at Hampden. They’ve just lost 3-1 to Dundee having lost to loads of ***** before us at Easter Road. A few horrible defeats also, even Alloa was a chore.
I will still back him as I can’t see who would be better alternative but he’s for me becoming more of a Levein and Neilson clone of management. It’s a shame because I was delighted when he came. But it seems he kicked about Dr Fitbaw at the Oriam too long.
The idea of Hibs getting horsed by two minnows at home and then going and getting a point at Parkhead is not at all out of the question - entirely the kind of exasperating swing of fortune we seem to excel in as it goes. Like someone else commented above - it's the hope that kills you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hermit Crab
Yeah, I accept he’s under pressure.Quote:
Originally Posted by The 90+2
And you’re right about the “no big wins” - and that holds weight.
I just think, as pish as we’ve been there’s something to work with. If there were loads of rumours about losing the dressing room I’d be more concerned.
Our thin squad and the injuries are biting us a bit.
I’d be tempted to write off the Celtic game, play all the young lads in that and do whatever is required to get everybody back and in top shape for the Killie game.
And I think the squad needs strengthened - and I think his track record so far of bringing in players is decent.
One inherited a team with 8 future scotland internationals and one inherited a team sitting in 11th place in the league after what many described as one of the worst transfer windows we have had in recent times. They are different starting points.Quote:
Originally Posted by loanheadhibby
The same goes for competing with aberdeen, look at what ross inherited compared to the aberdeen team at the time, which had been in the top 2/3 for the past 4 or 5 years. He can't just take a poor squad and compete with them immediately. He has only had 2 transfer windows, one only a month or so after he came in (where he brought in mcginn and docherty, mcnulty and omeonga on short term loans which improved us and got us up the table) and one where he was likely limited by the covid situation.
It's a year or so from his appointment and we are in a better position than when he took over. There is big problems with the midfield, not helped with magennis and allan being out, and we really lack competition in key areas but i expect these to be addressed in january and/or the summer. If in 9 months time we haven't improved again then that would be the time where calls for sacking should be expected imo. The exception would be a complete collapse but we are nowhere near that, despite 2 atrocious performances this week.
It's clear that some fans have turned or are staring to turn on him already. Whilst the old firm, aberdeen and hearts being out the league cup is great as it gives us the best chance of winning it, it heaps a lot of pressure on ross. If he loses the semi or final then i sense many won't forgive him.
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Originally Posted by basehibby
Not its not but we will need to be at our absolute best just to get out of our own half, a few red cards celtics way will help too.