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Edinburgh University closing

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

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Edinburgh University closing

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Not for staff yet though.

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

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Edinburgh University closing

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My sons at Aberdeen uni has has just been told no more face to face lectures. His accomodation has closed the common room and banned guests.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Read earlier today that the number of cases are expected to rise sharply in the next 4 weeks and won't reach its peak for another 10-14 weeks which takes us to the end of June.

We're in this for the long haul.

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Notice from our doc surgery basically asking us to stay away and that they are doing double repeat presciptions in March and April to lighten their workload in May and June. Assuming that means they expect May and June to hit the peak of this virus

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

:hilarious

The lengths folk go to to prove themselves right on social media is amazing, and I don't just mean you. Everyone does it.

What you initially said, in reply to someone pointing out that the Chinese had quickly built 16 hospitals was this;

"And how many of those fell down again? At least one that we know of.

The Chinese have a very poor construction record historically; I wouldn't be looking there for inspiration."

None at all fell down.

They built 16 hospitals in a matter of days. If that's not inspiring, what is?

You really should have just accepted your wee mistake and let be. :wink:

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It's a hard position to be in for someone to essentially suggest you're arguing too much when you don't think you are...what are you supposed to do? :greengrin

I already accepted and acknowledged my mistake quite openly but, for the sake of clarity, it was a hotel which fell down, not a hospital as I previously suggested. However, I genuinely don't see what difference the purpose of the use of the building makes to the point in my original post re: Chinese construction.

Building 16 hospitals in a matter of days seems beyond impressive on the face of it - it seems incredible. However, considering what I know about Chinese construction, I certainly don't find it "inspiring", which was the word used.

If it were possible to safely build one hospital in a matter of days, why are other nations not doing it?

To add to your point about social media, it's amazing to me the lengths people will go to, to seemingly feel like they've "won" a minor point in a bigger discussion. I was (attempting) to state concerns about Chinese construction, but because I referred to a hospital rather than a hotel those concerns seemingly aren't worthy of being discussed, even after I've acknowledged my mistake. :confused:

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Originally Posted by goosano

No, we are not. With 2.4/1000 doctors/1000 compared to 4.2 in Italy and 100, 000 NHS vacancies and 95% bed occupancy instead of the recommended 85% the system will get overwhelmed more easily than in Lombardy. Hospital care there is excellent and they are on their knees, not offering ICU treatment to anyone over 60.
Planning may be good here but for example primary care centres have not been given any protective equipment whatsoever.
Good luck, you are going to be in for tough times.

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Thanks for the concern but Edinburgh ain't Lombardy and frankly I'm not in the mood for being told how to do my job by anonymous folx who read MSM articles and quote chapter and verse at me.

Yes we have been issued with the necessary protective equipment although to prevent ABSOLUTE PANIC IN A&E we are not allowed to wear them pending Scottish Government advice - I voted for the other guys in the Holyrood elections but goddamn the Scot Gov really have their crap together here - very impressive response - again only work as a Junior Doctor @ ERIE for NHS Lothian so YMMV.

We are talking HAZMAT certified activated charcoal respirators the whole shebang not the price gouged surgical masks folx are likely ordering from Amazon - but of course you know all this being on the frontlines for NHS Lothian and being privy to internal memos etc etc

You must have watched the BBC News @ Nine AM which had everyone in our breakroom shouting at the TV - you know the one where a single GP surgery in England mysteriously did not get memos that LITERALLY EVERYONE WHO WORKS ABOVE A CERTAIN AFC NHS CONTRACT IN GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND SINCE NOVEMBER WOULD HAVE IN THEIR INBOX - junk email lol...

I do apologize if I'm being a Richard here and I wish we could talk Hibs...

Sorry don't know how to multi quote so double/treble posting incoming over the next hour.

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Originally Posted by Future17

It's a hard position to be in for someone to essentially suggest you're arguing too much when you don't think you are...what are you supposed to do? :greengrin

I already accepted and acknowledged my mistake quite openly but, for the sake of clarity, it was a hotel which fell down, not a hospital as I previously suggested. However, I genuinely don't see what difference the purpose of the use of the building makes to the point in my original post re: Chinese construction.

Building 16 hospitals in a matter of days seems beyond impressive on the face of it - it seems incredible. However, considering what I know about Chinese construction, I certainly don't find it "inspiring", which was the word used.

If it were possible to safely build one hospital in a matter of days, why are other nations not doing it?

To add to your point about social media, it's amazing to me the lengths people will go to, to seemingly feel like they've "won" a minor point in a bigger discussion. I was (attempting) to state concerns about Chinese construction, but because I referred to a hospital rather than a hotel those concerns seemingly aren't worthy of being discussed, even after I've acknowledged my mistake. :confused:

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It was 2 separate issues.

Building the hospitals in a time of emergency in a few days is more than impressive. None have fallen down.

The point was also made that nothing like that will happen in the UK.

That's all that mattered. The previous construction record is irrelevant, but I'm doing exactly what I said everyone does so I'll shut up now. :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

:hilarious

The lengths folk go to to prove themselves right on social media is amazing, and I don't just mean you. Everyone does it.

What you initially said, in reply to someone pointing out that the Chinese had quickly built 16 hospitals was this;

"And how many of those fell down again? At least one that we know of.

The Chinese have a very poor construction record historically; I wouldn't be looking there for inspiration."

None at all fell down.

They built 16 hospitals in a matter of days. If that's not inspiring, what is?

You really should have just accepted your wee mistake and let be. :wink:

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Did you accept your mistake when you posted the claptrap from the 'Chinese Doctor' about not putting ice in your drinks and gargling salt water last weekend?

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Originally Posted by J.S

Is this in scotland?

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South Ayrshire.

I’ve got a Ryanair flight soon to Spain. It’s not one of the current affected areas in the country
They’ve said I can rebook without an admin fee
Difficulty is we’ve know idea when it will be safe to travel again

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

It was 2 separate issues.

Building the hospitals in a time of emergency in a few days is more than impressive. None have fallen down.

The point was also made that nothing like that will happen in the UK.

That's all that mattered. The previous construction record is irrelevant, but I'm doing exactly what I said everyone does so I'll shut up now. :greengrin

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I'm not wanting to drag this out...ok, that's maybe a lie as it's Friday night with no football on the TV so what else am I going to do?!? :rolleyes:

I don't understand how it's two separate issues and I don't understand how a nation's previous poor construction record is irrelevant to whether we should be inspired by their recent building of hospitals.

To draw a line under this however, I guess it's a matter of opinion whether or not you find the construction of the hospitals in question to be inspiring and something the UK would be incapable of. I know Chinese construction kills people though, so my opinion is that it's not inspiring.

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Originally Posted by J.S

Notice from our doc surgery basically asking us to stay away and that they are doing double repeat presciptions in March and April to lighten their workload in May and June. Assuming that means they expect May and June to hit the peak of this virus

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A smart move and a good post that should be taken on board by those with vulnerable family members with necessary prescriptions.

Unrelated:

Here is the current Govt advice regarding front line antibiotic treatment for asymptomatic respiratory infection - might need to scroll down a bit.

And yes we still don't have a clue which combination [if any] will be effective although it will give folx a look at what we have and how it is administered at this current time. 18:52 13/3/20.

Yeah I know "Public Health England" but I assure you there is no difference north of the border as it all based on available Empirical Data.- obviously this will change by the week,day and, God Forbid, hour.

Will open in a PDF File so Adobe Acrobat or similar required:

https://www.nice.org.uk/Media/Defaul...g-guidance.pdf

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Originally Posted by Max_Shah

A smart move and a good post that should be taken on board by those with vulnerable family members with necessary prescriptions.

Unrelated:

Here is the current Govt advice regarding front line antibiotic treatment for asymptomatic respiratory infection - might need to scroll down a bit.

And yes we still don't have a clue which combination [if any] will be effective although it will give folx a look at what we have and how it is administered at this current time. 18:52 13/3/20.

Yeah I know "Public Health England" but I assure you there is no difference north of the border as it all based on available Empirical Data.- obviously this will change by the week,day and, God Forbid, hour.

Will open in a PDF File so Adobe Acrobat or similar required:

https://www.nice.org.uk/Media/Defaul...g-guidance.pdf

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I sorted my prescriptions earlier this week so didnt get double :rolleyes: but i got my elderly mum to sort hers today. Im vulnerable, finished chemo 4 months ago and had multiple bilateral PEs at the tail end of the year. Theres more but thats enough to be going on with :greengrin The point of saying this is to encourage others to be sensible and please follow the docs advice. Bravado will kill people you dont even know are vulnerable, looking at me nobody would ever know.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

Did you accept your mistake when you posted the claptrap from the 'Chinese Doctor' about not putting ice in your drinks and gargling salt water last weekend?

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I didn't defend it after it was pointed out that it was fake news.

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

I didn't defend it after it was pointed out that it was fake news.

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So the answer to my question is no then? You just ignored the fact you posted potentially dangerous misleading information.

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

Anthony Costello, a Professor at UCL in London and ex-Director of the WHO questions the UK strategy:

https://twitter.com/globalhlthtwit/s...25621375651840

Are we being subjected to a giant Dom-driven experiment? :confused:

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

Meanwhile Telegraph columnist Jeremy Warner says what Dom probably thinks:



https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/11/teleg...nomy-12383907/

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As much as I don't like Dominic Cummings or the Tories and as much as I love a good old conspiracy theory I just can't get behind this train of thought.

For a start - I don't think the government response (UK or Scottish) has been all that bad so far, nor has it been too weak. It's been largely proportionate to what is happening elsewhere, albeit with a few tweaks around the edges.

I've not liked that language previously deemed to be unacceptable has become acceptable in recent years, namely blatantly racist language.

But I genuinely don't think we've got to a stage yet where any sort of cull of the elderly could be deemed remotely socially acceptable by the nation at large. By that I mean I'm sure the majority of the population would happily see other people's grans being killed off but not their own, so on balance they probably accept that it's a step too far.

And re herd immunity - I've not really heard of this being discussed as appropriate anywhere. As far as I was aware we weren't doing that - the plan was initially to contain and now we're going for delay, so the health service can cope with the steady stream of cases needing admitted as the months go by. If the harm from the current pandemic can be minimised and a vaccine found soon (which it should) then by next year it should generally be ok. I've not seen talk of allowing herd immunity anywhere - something that would be ******g insanity with a disease with as high a mortality rate as this one (and totally unknown long-term effects, such as possible chronic lung damage.)

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Originally Posted by Future17

It's a hard position to be in for someone to essentially suggest you're arguing too much when you don't think you are...what are you supposed to do? :greengrin

I already accepted and acknowledged my mistake quite openly but, for the sake of clarity, it was a hotel which fell down, not a hospital as I previously suggested. However, I genuinely don't see what difference the purpose of the use of the building makes to the point in my original post re: Chinese construction.

Building 16 hospitals in a matter of days seems beyond impressive on the face of it - it seems incredible. However, considering what I know about Chinese construction, I certainly don't find it "inspiring", which was the word used.

If it were possible to safely build one hospital in a matter of days, why are other nations not doing it?

To add to your point about social media, it's amazing to me the lengths people will go to, to seemingly feel like they've "won" a minor point in a bigger discussion. I was (attempting) to state concerns about Chinese construction, but because I referred to a hospital rather than a hotel those concerns seemingly aren't worthy of being discussed, even after I've acknowledged my mistake. :confused:

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We can't build them in days because we would have to ship the modular units, that would enable such a programme, from China and we don't have the labour force that they do.
Like it or not prefabricated offsite construction is the future of building and the Chinese are far ahead of the game in manufacturing for that.

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Originally Posted by Max_Shah

Thanks for the concern but Edinburgh ain't Lombardy and frankly I'm not in the mood for being told how to do my job by anonymous folx who read MSM articles and quote chapter and verse at me.

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I am a doctor with 35 years experience, I just don't care to advertise it on public forums. And if you read what I wrote re protective equipment I was talking about primary care. And where was I telling you how to do your job? If you had lived through a true flu epidemic and the enormous stress it places on the services, which you probably haven't, you'd know that what we live through is unprecedented and on a completely different level. The figures re doctors were from a consultant anaesthetist coleague whi is extremely worried re the coming weeks.My brother is a consultant in the ERI and he totally affirms what I say re level of preparedness.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

So the answer to my question is no then? You just ignored the fact you posted potentially dangerous misleading information.

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You pulled the puller up .

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

So the answer to my question is no then? You just ignored the fact you posted potentially dangerous misleading information.

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When I posted it, I was on a bus and it was sent to me. Because we'd been having a debate on here, I copied it to whatever thread it was, before I'd read it properly, and went to catch my train to Sheffield to see Elvis Costello.

When I got back to it, I saw that it had been pointed out by a few people that it was wrong, including yourself iirc.

I didn't try to defend it and I didn't even consider posting about it again because it had clearly been shown to be wrong. Obviously, you think I should have but it didn't enter my head

My point, and the one you've jumped on me for, was that people will go to any lengths to prove themselves right.

It was a general observation about the way people behave on social media, and although I'm defending myself now, I didn't do that for the post to which you refer.

So, the answer to your question is, yes, I accepted my mistake and I moved on.

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Originally Posted by degenerated

We can't build them in days because we would have to ship the modular units, that would enable such a programme, from China and we don't have the labour force that they do.
Like it or not prefabricated offsite construction is the future of building and the Chinese are far ahead of the game in manufacturing for that.

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I'm perfectly prepared to admit that I have absolutely no knowledge of the specifics of what you've posted about. What would be involved (in terms of steps and timescale) in the UK becoming capable of building these units?

On a related note, as you seem to have some expertise, what is your opinion of Chinese construction practices more generally, in comparison to UK practices?

Trump declares a national emergency in the USA. His handling of this has been shocking. It wasn’t too long ago he was saying that the virus will “go away”. It’s now in 46 states...If the US economy goes the way of the Chinese one it will be a very rough few months

Ant and Dec have cancelled the final episode from Florida so no one is getting a place on the plane.

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Originally Posted by Scorrie

Trump declares a national emergency in the USA. His handling of this has been shocking. It wasn’t too long ago he was saying that the virus will “go away”. It’s now in 46 states...If the US economy goes the way of the Chinese one it will be a very rough few months

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Hasn't anyone in Texas tried to shoot the virus yet?

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Originally Posted by DH1875

Ant and Dec have cancelled the final episode from Florida so no one is getting a place on the plane.

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I have no idea what this means :faf:

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Originally Posted by Future17

I'm perfectly prepared to admit that I have absolutely no knowledge of the specifics of what you've posted about. What would be involved (in terms of steps and timescale) in the UK becoming capable of building these units?

On a related note, as you seem to have some expertise, what is your opinion of Chinese construction practices more generally, in comparison to UK practices?

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I dont knowvmuch about their methodology but I've worked on jobs where similar modular systems to those used for their hospitals were used and they are a good system.


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Originally Posted by degenerated

I dont knowvmuch about their methodology but I've worked on jobs where similar modular systems to those used for their hospitals were used and they are a good system.


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You've worked on jobs in this country or abroad?

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

I have no idea what this means :faf:

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It really is quite funny though 😅

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

I have no idea what this means :faf:

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I'm far more ashamed to admit I do know exactly what it means😂

Schools all closing over here now until after Easter at least. Only parents with jobs that are listed as necessary for the upkeep of society will be offered child care places.

Are folk still claiming that "it's just like the flu" or sentiments to that effect?

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

Are folk still claiming that "it's just like the flu" or sentiments to that effect?

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From what ive read and seen on TV the symptoms vary greatly case to case. Some.people are pretty symptom free, some have a mild cold and others end up on a ventilator or worse. Seems to be your luck and state of health really .
My son said to me today to remember more people have lost their jobs to this virus than have died . We need to keep perspective

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Originally Posted by J.S

From what ive read and seen on TV the symptoms vary greatly case to case. Some.people are pretty symptom free, some have a mild cold and others end up on a ventilator or worse. Seems to be your luck and state of health really .

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I didn't really mean the symptoms. I was more refering to the blasé attitude and cavalier approach some seemed to be exhibiting. Even today I read posts saying something about a global madness and that you're more likely to die from... something trivial or other.

I don't know how many people are living with cancer in this country, certainly several hundred thousand or even more, and they are all vulnerable, regardless of their age.

Loads of other older folk would justifiably have been expecting to live for a few more years, but are now facing an imminent threat.

Yet we read people saying that it's ok because it's "only older people or those with underlying illnesses" who are dying.

My mate is only 66 and has a cancer which is being managed brilliantly. He's not expecting to die anytime soo, but now I'm worried about him.

My father in law is living with cancer and, as a result of the cancer medication, he has developed heart failure. Again, he's been managed brilliantly to the extent that he's been looking at moving house. I expect he's terrified now.

So, when someone callously says, " Every year flu kills loads of folk too", it boils my blood.

Quite frankly, I'm frightened.

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Originally Posted by Smartie

And re herd immunity - I've not really heard of this being discussed as appropriate anywhere. As far as I was aware we weren't doing that - the plan was initially to contain and now we're going for delay, so the health service can cope with the steady stream of cases needing admitted as the months go by. If the harm from the current pandemic can be minimised and a vaccine found soon (which it should) then by next year it should generally be ok. I've not seen talk of allowing herd immunity anywhere - something that would be ******g insanity with a disease with as high a mortality rate as this one (and totally unknown long-term effects, such as possible chronic lung damage.)

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Herd immunity and the government's policy of allowing healthy people - not too many, not too few - to become infected was discussed on R4 Any Questions tonight, shortly after you posted.

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

I didn't really mean the symptoms. I was more refering to the blasé attitude and cavalier approach some seemed to be exhibiting. Even today I read posts saying something about a global madness and that you're more likely to die from... something trivial or other.

I don't know how many people are living with cancer in this country, certainly several hundred thousand or even more, and they are all vulnerable, regardless of their age.

Loads of other older folk would justifiably have been expecting to live for a few more years, but are now facing an imminent threat.

Yet we read people saying that it's ok because it's "only older people or those with underlying illnesses" who are dying.

My mate is only 66 and has a cancer which is being managed brilliantly. He's not expecting to die anytime soo, but now I'm worried about him.

My father in law is living with cancer and, as a result of the cancer medication, he has developed heart failure. Again, he's been managed brilliantly to the extent that he's been looking at moving house. I expect he's terrified now.

So, when someone callously says, " Every year flu kills loads of folk too", it boils my blood.

Quite frankly, I'm frightened.

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Youll always get people like that. My friend refuses for her and her family to have flu jags every year as she believes they are no good for you. About 3 years ago they all spent the whole of xmas really ill with flu but she still wont take the jag.
Ive said it in a few posts over the last few days its bull headed people im scared of. People who carry on because they believe they will only have mild symptoms and never give a thought for those they will pass it on to

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Originally Posted by Future17

I'm not wanting to drag this out...ok, that's maybe a lie as it's Friday night with no football on the TV so what else am I going to do?!? :rolleyes:

I don't understand how it's two separate issues and I don't understand how a nation's previous poor construction record is irrelevant to whether we should be inspired by their recent building of hospitals.

To draw a line under this however, I guess it's a matter of opinion whether or not you find the construction of the hospitals in question to be inspiring and something the UK would be incapable of. I know Chinese construction kills people though, so my opinion is that it's not inspiring.

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Chinese construction. The front of a hotel collapsed.

UK construction. A tower block goes up in flames.

I don't think we have any right to be critical of another country.

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Originally Posted by J.S

Youll always get people like that. My friend refuses for her and her family to have flu jags every year as she believes they are no good for you. About 3 years ago they all spent the whole of xmas really ill with flu but she still wont take the jag.
Ive said it in a few posts over the last few days its bull headed people im scared of. People who carry on because they believe they will only have mild symptoms and never give a thought for those they will pass it on to

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Exactly.

I do buy a flu jab because it's a horrible illness although I've never really considered that it could be fatal. I suppose I still think I'm too young for that outcome.

However, I'm always told that it protects against maybe 4 or 5? strains of flu, but it might reduce the symptoms if I caught a different type.

I wonder if that applies to Covid 19. :dunno:

Probably not, but I can live in hope.

Isolation buying, anybody?
I'm getting up early doors tomorrow to do just that.
I don't want to but the panic buying has started locally in my area.

Sicily has figured out this whole self-isolation thing.

#COVID19 #CoronavirusPandemic

https://t.co/93whPVtQcR

Absolutely brilliant.

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

Exactly.

I do buy a flu jab because it's a horrible illness although I've never really considered that it could be fatal. I suppose I still think I'm too young for that outcome.

However, I'm always told that it protects against maybe 4 or 5? strains of flu, but it might reduce the symptoms if I caught a different type.

I wonder if that applies to Covid 19. :dunno:

Probably not, but I can live in hope.

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I get the flu jab, not for me really but more so I don't get it and pass it to my wife who has no immune system to speak of.



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Originally Posted by stoneyburn hibs

Isolation buying, anybody?
I'm getting up early doors tomorrow to do just that.
I don't want to but the panic buying has started locally in my area.

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A week or so ago, I started writing a thread entitled "Can you blame the panic buyers".

My argument was that it was entirely understandable and made sense. I decided against posting it because I could imagine the insults and aggression that would be coming my way. You only need to look at the "Not going tomorrow" thread to see a few Drama Queen jibes etc and my thread was going to be posted a week or so ago so it would have been worse.

However, I don't blame anyone for preparing for isolation. If I can find any dried pasta, I'll be buying some and I usually only use fresh.

Deliveroo and Just Eat are all very well, but they're gig economy jobs and if the workers are sick, they don't get paid so can they be trusted not to infect you?

On another note, I see Just Eat have introduced contactless payments so you can just ask them to leave it at your door and ring the bell.

If I use them I'll unpack and wash my hands before eating though.

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Originally Posted by Just Alf

I get the flu jab, not for me really but more so I don't get it and pass it to my wife who has no immune system to speak of.



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Jeezo. Stay healthy buddy.

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Originally Posted by stoneyburn hibs

Isolation buying, anybody?
I'm getting up early doors tomorrow to do just that.
I don't want to but the panic buying has started locally in my area.

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I haven't panicked bought but I'd say I've been pretty strategic, was always of the opinion if **** hit the fan I could live for a couple of weeks from the contents of my freezer and cupboard as it was, but I have bought a few things to make sure they are full, so it's pretty much been a normal weekly shop for me but I've bought different things this time

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

I didn't really mean the symptoms. I was more refering to the blasé attitude and cavalier approach some seemed to be exhibiting. Even today I read posts saying something about a global madness and that you're more likely to die from... something trivial or other.

I don't know how many people are living with cancer in this country, certainly several hundred thousand or even more, and they are all vulnerable, regardless of their age.

Loads of other older folk would justifiably have been expecting to live for a few more years, but are now facing an imminent threat.

Yet we read people saying that it's ok because it's "only older people or those with underlying illnesses" who are dying.

My mate is only 66 and has a cancer which is being managed brilliantly. He's not expecting to die anytime soo, but now I'm worried about him.

My father in law is living with cancer and, as a result of the cancer medication, he has developed heart failure. Again, he's been managed brilliantly to the extent that he's been looking at moving house. I expect he's terrified now.

So, when someone callously says, " Every year flu kills loads of folk too", it boils my blood.

Quite frankly, I'm frightened.

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Great post and describes basically where I'm at from the beginning of this outbreak. I can understand black humour and even people in denial, but the callous opinion that it's somehow ok because it's only the sick and elderly that will die really does grip my ****.

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Originally Posted by stoneyburn hibs

Isolation buying, anybody?
I'm getting up early doors tomorrow to do just that.
I don't want to but the panic buying has started locally in my area.

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Was in Tesco at 7am this morning, we always keep a healthy stock of things in the house anyway including toilet rolls so no mass buying from me, just topping up like I always do.

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Originally Posted by stoneyburn hibs

Isolation buying, anybody?
I'm getting up early doors tomorrow to do just that.
I don't want to but the panic buying has started locally in my area.

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Was in Morrison’s tonight....what a war zone!!

As the news has deteriorated I’ve been stocking the cupboards and the freezer over the last couple of weeks. Rather than silly to do so I think, looking at the situation today, it would be silly not to.

Call it panic buying if you want but if I don’t buy it someone else will. Anyway I’m pretty prepared I think so no panic here.

Also if I have too much then I can help out friends and family if needed, otherwise it can go to a food bank if things don’t pan out as grim as some of the forecasts are suggesting.

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Originally Posted by J.S

Youll always get people like that. My friend refuses for her and her family to have flu jags every year as she believes they are no good for you. About 3 years ago they all spent the whole of xmas really ill with flu but she still wont take the jag.
Ive said it in a few posts over the last few days its bull headed people im scared of. People who carry on because they believe they will only have mild symptoms and never give a thought for those they will pass it on to

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Or even worse companies that are in a strong position to survive the crisis and are relishing the fact that some of their competitors might not come through this. I know it's a fact of life that the strongest will prevail, but I'd kind of hoped that humans might stand together rather than be eager to pick the carcasses of the weak.

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

Sicily has figured out this whole self-isolation thing.

#COVID19 #CoronavirusPandemic

https://t.co/93whPVtQcR

Absolutely brilliant.

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Mostly I hate humans, but there is the odd occasion where I absolutely love them.

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Sicily has figured out this whole self-isolation thing.

#COVID19 #CoronavirusPandemic

https://t.co/93whPVtQcR

Absolutely brilliant.

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That's actually heartened me.

My vision of isolation was being stuck in the house, mostly in my bedroom, alone, ill and bored.

Your video has reminded me that I could use my garden and even go for a walk in the common, assuming that I was up to it.

Thanks.

Well, that’s the easter holiday cancelled

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Well, that’s the easter holiday cancelled

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Where were u going?

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Isolation buying, anybody?
I'm getting up early doors tomorrow to do just that.
I don't want to but the panic buying has started locally in my area.

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Planning to do our usual weekly shop tomorrow. I hate going to the supermarket at the best of times.:worried:

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Well, that’s the easter holiday cancelled

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The summer holidays will probably be cancelled too :boo hoo:

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Anthony Costello, a Professor at UCL in London and ex-Director of the WHO questions the UK strategy:

https://twitter.com/globalhlthtwit/s...25621375651840

Are we being subjected to a giant Dom-driven experiment? :confused:

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All the concerns raised there are fair enough. Every other country's government will be led by expert advice but we seem to be on a very different path. Our government(s) need to explain why

My dad, his wife, daughter, son in law and two friends have now given up coming here in May from the US.
I'm edging on relieved but selfishly I'm gutted missing out my father. **** this virus.

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Chinese construction. The front of a hotel collapsed.

UK construction. A tower block goes up in flames.

I don't think we have any right to be critical of another country.

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This either isn't a serious post, or you don't know what you're talking about.

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Are we being subjected to a giant Dom-driven experiment? :confused:

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Yes. Current old-and-vulnerable to be sacrificed early so that the country will recover to a relatively strong economic position internationally more quickly than it otherwise would.

Experiment being dressed up as 'following the science'.

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Planning to do our usual weekly shop tomorrow. I hate going to the supermarket at the best of times.:worried:

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Likewise. I'm back in Edinburgh about 4 and will do my weekly shop tonight. I normally do it on a Friday so I daresay I've missed the boat a bit.

I'm probably pretty well prepared as I'm terrible for picking up a tin of this or that every time I'm in the shop because it's handy to have if the bairn is being fussy. There's probably 2 weeks worth of tins because of that. Add to that she love lentils and pasta so I have loads of them as well.

I could probably make a fortune in the toilet roll and soap black market. My work sell toilet rolls in a 40 pack and soap in a 12 pack and I alway pick them up when I need them because we get them at cost so it's a no brainer. I picked up one of each a couple of weeks back because I needed them so I'm covered for that.

The worry with panic buying is that it is probably an inadvertent 'I'm alright Jack' action. It's understandable people are stocking up for themselves 'just in case' but an elderly person with little support living week to week on their pension may not have that ability. If they go to the shops during the week and young, healthy people have cleared the shelves of everything is that not just another way of putting them at heightened risk?

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Yes. Current old-and-vulnerable to be sacrificed early so that the country will recover to a relatively strong economic position internationally more quickly than it otherwise would.

Experiment being dressed up as 'following the science'.

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I'm no expert but I'm uneasy with the fact our experts seems to be contradicting most other experts

I'm also uneasy with the fact they are basically saying folk need to die while we wait for a certain amount to be infected

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I'm just back from Tesco in Duke Street, busiest I've ever seen the place at this time and lots of barren shelves already, I only went for orange juice but the place will be wild come this afternoon

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I'm no expert but I'm uneasy with the face our experts seems to be contradicting most other experts

I'm also uneasy with the fact they are basically saying folk need to die while we wait for a certain amount to be infected

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EU scientists trying to hold us back from realising our true potential as greatest country in the world.

See the Italians are having Coronavirus parties. I like their spirit making the best of a terrible situation.

Its pretty weird here at the moment. Pubs and restaurants being told to make their own decisions re-closure even though theres a ban on groups of 100 or more indoors. In the village people want to support their local places but are also trying to do social distancing. I popped into the pub last night & the place was busy with everyone trying to stay a meter apart!? Already one of the local cafe's has shut down for two weeks minimum (and they are generally jammed with customers every day). I've heard rumours the civil defence are being brought in from Monday, could be bull**** but that was from someone who is in civil defense. I'm just glad I dont have kids as with the schools being closed & elderley being at risk so man parents at their wits end trying to arrange child care & keep a job going.

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This either isn't a serious post, or you don't know what you're talking about.

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So you have forgotten about Grenfell Tower already. 72 people died.

How are horse racing meetings not being cancelled ? It was business as usual at the Cheltenham Festival.

Ski resorts across the alps are all closed apart from France. My April trip to Switzerland is off. :-(

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I'm just back from Tesco in Duke Street, busiest I've ever seen the place at this time and lots of barren shelves already, I only went for orange juice but the place will be wild come this afternoon

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Asda in leith was the same last night. I only popped in for some bread while my son was at his swimming lesson but there was no bread to be found along with plenty other empty shelves.

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Planning to do our usual weekly shop tomorrow. I hate going to the supermarket at the best of times.:worried:

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Wouldn't worry about it, you'll no be there long as there is **** all left. Had to go to 4 different shops last night just to get a packet of bog roll FFS.

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I'm just back from Tesco in Duke Street, busiest I've ever seen the place at this time and lots of barren shelves already, I only went for orange juice but the place will be wild come this afternoon

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I woke up feeling terrible this morning, dry cough, head swimming, convinced myself I have the virus but I've realised I've got a hangover.

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Asda in leith was the same last night. I only popped in for some bread while my son was at his swimming lesson but there was no bread to be found along with plenty other empty shelves.

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There have been multiple statements saying there are no shortages but evidently there are, or at least there are issues in the supply chain. My local Asda has had no toilet roll for over a week and no dried pasta for about 5 days.

It's a vicious cycle because every day there is an empty shelf leads to more panic buying as and when food becomes available which leads to additional shortages and it keeps repeating. If others stores have to start following Tescos lead and ration certain products then I support them doing it. Loading up with 10 soaps and 5 loaves of bread might make some feel secure but it's creating a situation that denies others.

Got this text last night:

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To protect patients from Corona virus we are moving to telephone consulting. Please don't attend the surgery.

So that's the doctors shutting down. Has caused panic mode here and everyone on Facebook freaking out about it. Was made even worse when some popped up saying the Royal is crawling with it and to expect an announcement soon that its in lock down. No idea if its true or not but not good if it is.

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Got this text last night:

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To protect patients from Corona virus we are moving to telephone consulting. Please don't attend the surgery.

So that's the doctors shutting down. Has caused panic mode here and everyone on Facebook freaking out about it. Was made even worse when some popped up saying the Royal is crawling with it and to expect an announcement soon that its in lock down. No idea if its true or not but not good if it is.

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I visited my GP 5 weeks ago and there were already signs saying if you suspect you may have Covid-19 to go home and phone 111.

I've just ordered repeat prescriptions even though I have 3 weeks supply because I am on holiday the end of next week for a week. (staying in Scotland so should be OK and the company I booked through have emailed to keep me up to date)

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Got this text last night:

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To protect patients from Corona virus we are moving to telephone consulting. Please don't attend the surgery.

So that's the doctors shutting down. Has caused panic mode here and everyone on Facebook freaking out about it. Was made even worse when some popped up saying the Royal is crawling with it and to expect an announcement soon that its in lock down. No idea if its true or not but not good if it is.

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The reason for this is that there are still some people who ignore all the advice that is plastered everywhere and turn up in the surgery with symptoms. It is to protect staff and to avoid having to fully close the surgery and deep clean it

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So you have forgotten about Grenfell Tower already. 72 people died.

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Wow. Viewing this post and my potential reply with Hibbyradge's earlier point about people on social media in mind, I'm going to drop this discussion.

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Sicily has figured out this whole self-isolation thing.

#COVID19 #CoronavirusPandemic

https://t.co/93whPVtQcR

Absolutely brilliant.

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That's one of those things that seems nice for a few minutes but would have you launching yourself over the balcony after 14 days of self quarantine.

So, my boy's school has closed until after Easter, my wife (software developer) has been told to work from home for the foreseeable future but I'm still expected to transport hundreds of coughing, sneezing and sweating passengers from A to B in a pressurised tin can with no protection other than rubber gloves and hand sanitizer. It's pretty much guaranteed that I'll get this (if I haven't already) and pass it on to my family. Rumour has it that airlines will be grounded soon, the minute that happens I'm off in the caravan to the Baltic to sit this thing out. If we're going to be quarantined then at least in a place with a view and decent fresh air.

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So, my boy's school has closed until after Easter, my wife (software developer) has been told to work from home for the foreseeable future but I'm still expected to transport hundreds of coughing, sneezing and sweating passengers from A to B in a pressurised tin can with no protection other than rubber gloves and hand sanitizer. It's pretty much guaranteed that I'll get this (if I haven't already) and pass it on to my family. Rumour has it that airlines will be grounded soon, the minute that happens I'm off in the caravan to the Baltic to sit this thing out. If we're going to be quarantined then at least in a place with a view and decent fresh air.

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Meet ye at Seton Sands. I’ll bring the bevvy

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Meet ye at Seton Sands. I’ll bring the bevvy

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He said to the Baltic not to where it is Baltic. :greengrin

Looking at the figures which I know is only rough, apart from Italy ourselves and quite a few other countries have a far far less percentage death rate. It maybe now done to how the vulnerable are protected either by themselves or family friends.

IMO the amount of people that will catch it will be high I think the amount of deaths will not rise as much as seen in Italy.

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He said to the Baltic not to where it is Baltic. :greengrin

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You underestimate the amount of bevvy I have stockpiled. It will be warm

Should the stock markets not be locked for a bit, if that’s allowed

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I'm off in the caravan to the Baltic to sit this thing out. If we're going to be quarantined then at least in a place with a view and decent fresh air.

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Meet ye at Seton Sands. I’ll bring the bevvy

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I've been on St Kilda for nearly a week now. Bit windy and getting bored of eating puffins.

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Looking at the figures which I know is only rough, apart from Italy ourselves and quite a few other countries have a far far less percentage death rate. It maybe now done to how the vulnerable are protected either by themselves or family friends.

IMO the amount of people that will catch it will be high I think the amount of deaths will not rise as much as seen in Italy.

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I think Italy is a bit of an outlier with regards to the death rate.

There is likely multiple reasons for that. Tactile people, older population, disparity in the quality of health care across the country, elderly relatives more likely to live with their families and thus coming into more contact with the 'outside world' etc etc.

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Meet ye at Seton Sands. I’ll bring the bevvy

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Cool, I'll cover the grill and bratwurst, who can provide bogroll?

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You underestimate the amount of bevvy I have stockpiled. It will be warm

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I've been on St Kilda for nearly a week now. Bit windy and getting bored of eating puffins.

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Does **** stick to their feathers?

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I think Italy is a bit of an outlier with regards to the death rate.

There is likely multiple reasons for that. Tactile people, older population, disparity in the quality of health care across the country, elderly relatives more likely to live with their families and thus coming into more contact with the 'outside world' etc etc.

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It is by quite a bit.

China: 80,824 recorded cases, 3,189 deaths 3.9%
Italy: 17,660 recorded cases, 1,266 deaths 7.2%

UK: 798 recorded cases, 11 deaths, 1.4%

It's almost as if Italy has got a different strain of the virus infecting its people compared with the rest of the world.

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Does **** stick to their feathers?

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Not really noticing that tbh. Just catching them, flame-throwing the feathers off and cooking.

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It is by quite a bit.

China: 80,824 recorded cases, 3,189 deaths 3.9%
Italy: 17,660 recorded cases, 1,266 deaths 7.2%

UK: 798 recorded cases, 11 deaths, 1.4%

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I don't believe those figures.


Mind you, if China said that day followed night, I'd stay up to check.

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It's almost as if Italy has got a different strain of the virus infecting its people compared with the rest of the world.

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I don't believe those figures.


Mind you, if China said that day followed night, I'd stay up to check.

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These are the only figures available, yeah they might not accurate, but that's all anyone has to go on.

Jet2 have just cancelled all flights to Spain, the canaries and the Balearics, my folks are currently in Fuerteventura and are supposed to be flying home with them on Weds, just had to call them and let them know it might not be happening and to try and find a rep to see what the score is

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These are the only figures available, yeah they might not accurate, but that's all anyone has to go on.

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I know buddy.

It would be wholly irresponsible if the ratio of recovery to fatality had been manipulated so fingers crossed they're robust enough for other nations to use in preparation.

There was a doctor on the BBC News this morning now warning about the dangers of 'over hand washing'. She said the symptoms have been one of the things pharmacists have most had to deal with in the last fortnight. Apparently the opening of skin around the knuckles is another potential danger for contracting a range of illnesses.

I'm what I suppose you would call a 'regualar' hand washer. After going to the toilet, after touching raw food, before dinner etc. In the last couple of weeks I've definitely been washing my hands a lot more, basically if an opportunity presents itself I take it. Despite using hand cream and moisturiser my knuckles are really dry and cracked now and have bled quite a bit when I have been running long distances and my hands have swollen up.

A quick glance around the dozen or so people around me at the moment and I'd say 80% or so have the same thing.

I think I might just go to bed for 6 weeks and see what happens after that.

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That's one of those things that seems nice for a few minutes but would have you launching yourself over the balcony after 14 days of self quarantine.

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The boy will probably end up in hospital to get the accordion removed from his arse.

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Jet2 have just cancelled all flights to Spain, the canaries and the Balearics, my folks are currently in Fuerteventura and are supposed to be flying home with them on Weds, just had to call them and let them know it might not be happening and to try and find a rep to see what the score is

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Just saw that, good luck they get home safe and well

Im at a physio appt which is inside a leisure centre and gym, im astounded at the amount of people swimming, even more shocked its still open! For a sat its quiet but theres still a fair few here

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I don't believe those figures.


Mind you, if China said that day followed night, I'd stay up to check.

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Italy are generally only testing those that need hospitalisation so the figures are massively skewed.

South Korea appear to be doing the widest testing regime and they have a death rate of less than 1%.

The South Korea data then is probably the best measure of mortality rates.

From a meta data perspective it seems that unless you are over 60 and / or have underlying issues related to BP or respiratory conditions then the death rate is very very low indeed.

That’s not to say that if you multiply up the cases that the death rate is somewhat trivial or acceptable of course...this virus is a large killer already and if the 80% long term infection rates are anything like accurate then the death toll will be absurdly large.

Was in Morrisons at the Gyle for 8:30.
The shelves were pretty much empty.