People do protest about our links with Saudi Arabia.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbc70
Are you suggesting we should ignore all the wrongs in the world?
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People do protest about our links with Saudi Arabia.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbc70
Are you suggesting we should ignore all the wrongs in the world?
Aye, probably.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbc70
Monied people can't genuinely dislike mysoginist racists who grab women by the pussy and separate children from their parents and keep them in cages.
If your a steel worker in Pennsylvania then your probably delighted at his stance on tariffs, if your a non American in the UK not so. Who's interest is he there to look after more, yours or the people in Pennsylvania?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozymandias
"Trans activists"Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
What's the issue here? Trans people shouldn't be afforded the same rights and maybe a little specific set of help to make their lives a bit easier?
People need to "get a grip" for protesting one monster and not another?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
I made an argument, alright, but you chose to focus on one word.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozymandias
Are you sure you got that right?
Makes you wonder what it is they really care about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dinkydoo
I detect some collective dummy spitting from one side of this argument. People appear to have convinced themselves that they hold the only true vision of what is right.
Yesterday's pitiful turnout suggests to me they are out of touch with what is important. It's the old, I'm the only one marching in step argument.
More worrying, any attempt to criticise the protest, is turned into support for Trump.
Can't speak for others but I was really put off by the sight of a group of effete, pampered, and privileged people strutting smugly about the town telling us how clever they are. That march was all about them.
Do they really think they have done anything for poor people in Tennessee trailer parks, or black kids sleeping in their cars in North Carolina?
Do they even know, or care? I fear that far from rallying people to their cause, they've driven them away.
I think the words virtue signalling have never been more apt than yesterday. The reek of righteous indignation was nauseating.
I don't actually have a problem with protests against Trump per se. As I said in my opening post, I'm no fan of his and I think some of the things he has said and reported to have done makes him unsuitable to hold the position of President of the USA. His conduct towards women as an example is shocking and certainly worthy of people showing their opposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozymandias
However, in comparison with the leaders of the two nations I've mentioned I just think they are much more worthy of our disgust and I would just like to see as many people out on the streets the next time we welcome anyone like that to the UK as we saw over the last few days with Donald Trump.
I'm not doubting there were protests when the Chinese President visited but where was the media attention that the Trump visit has been getting? I don't remember much focus on it at all. China executes more people every year than every other country on the planet put together.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
Their human rights record is disgraceful, people are regularly executed for very dubious reasons and people are imprisoned simply for challenging The Communist Party.
However our leaders seem to be quite happy to cosy up to them and don't appear to be questioning them on their human rights abuses.
Pretty much, yes. If these people are truly human rights activists and fighting inequality etc then why would you go to all that effort to oppose Trump but, by comparison, barely raise a whimper when two of the worst culprits of human rights abuses comes to town?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dinkydoo
I'm pretty comfortable that I focused on the right element. The totality of your argument was "Just want to say to the snowflakes, that was pitiful compared to the miners strike and Paris 68. Of course the didn't have as good snack stalls, so well done on that count."Quote:
Originally Posted by Chic Murray
So not really an argument, more a tool to get a sneery poke in. So well done on that count.
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I'm not doubting there were protests when the Chinese President visited but where was the media attention that the Trump visit has been getting? I don't remember much focus on it at all. China executes more people every year than every other country on the planet put together.
I do remember the protests and also remember various news items about the visits. But none of these guys court the media or are as in your face on twitter as Trump. He absolutely craves attention and will be chuffed to bits about what has gone in over the last few days. He will claim fake news back in the US if asked about the protests and tell everyone who will listen that the UK really likes him. The classic of being recorded talking about May and Brexit one day and then denying it the very next saying it was fake news is unbelievable and there are idiots who will believe him. He was actually recorded by a journalist and then denied it as fake news.
OK, for the sake of argument let's assume that everyone at the protest fell into the pigeonhole you set them. Can you clarify if it was the protestors that "put you off", rather the subject of the protest? If you had been assured that the body of the protest group had been made up of your mates and those who had in your view appropriate social credentials, would you have protested the visit of Donald Trump?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chic Murray
I think that's a fair observation. I had no interest in 'protesting' yesterday but it doesn't mean I have much truck with Trump. As I said in an earlier post, though, I found the Scottish protests a bit baffling. 'Carnival of Resistance'? What does that mean? Also, why stand shouting outside Holyrood when Trump's visit involved nothing of a political nature? The guy was on the other side of the country and as far as I'm aware was here only to play golf at a course he happens to own. I'd hazard a guess that his investment in Turnberry has also done a fair bit for the local economy so I wonder how many locals were among those shouting from the beach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chic Murray
The nature of people is that they will be more interested in and activated by things that are either closer to home or at the very least more relatable. It is why when a terrorist bomb or murder happens in Paris or London it gets exponentially more overage than a more devastating attack in Kabul and why most people on the UK have forgotten or never knew about the the Chibok school girls and Boko Haram in Nigeria.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
The USA is culturally and historically much closer to the UK than KSA or China. Trump is omnipresent on news and social media, and his actions make many people angry and fearful for what he may do. It is natural to react to that. That doesn't make the lower level of activism against others less worthy, nor does it define those protesting yesterday as being less than honest in their motives.
Your looking for something that is not there. I have no beef with trans people on a personal level, i had a 'wee cuddle' with a trans when on a night out in Barcelona but that's between me and you and a whole different story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dinkydoo
My point is that the media are trying to paint the picture that the whole of the UK and Scotland are against trump or say that vast majority think this way. I simply say that is not true. A protest made up of communists, trans activists & the virtue-signalling middle classes do not speak for the nation as the media claim. They are over stating the numbers attended, why?
Is it a conspiracy of some sort? :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
The media claim there were protests, and report estimated numbers. I've just done a quick search, and everywhere I've looked they either just say "thousands" or balance the organisers estimate of numbers with the polices estimate. You are attempting to create a conspiracy that simple does not exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
Also, just repeating "trans activists, communists and virtue signalling middle classes" over and over doesn't make it true.
Well yes at a basic level conspiring to make the crowds and protests seem larger than they actually were.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Turnberry existed before Trump bought it, any 'investment' will have had minimal effect on the local economy. The investment was to 'improve' the course.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
A wee bit about the Trump investment...
https://www.newyorker.com/news-desk/...tish-golf-club
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...iness-37655823
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a7908001.html
And what about the 'investment' at Menie in Aberdeenshire?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources...p_and_Scotland
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There were many bold claims about the proposed resort with big numbers attached. It was supposed to be a £1bn investment, creating about 6,000 jobs. It was to include not one but two championship golf courses, a 450-bedroom hotel and almost 1,500 holiday and residential homes.
The massive scale of this promised investment was suitably beguiling. It persuaded the local inquiry team and even government ministers that the economic benefit justified the environmental impact.
Much of what was promised by Mr Trump has yet to materialise. By 2018 the resort included one golf course and a club house, a 16-bedroom boutique hotel and some lodges.
The Trump Organization says it has spent around £100m, which is about 10% of what was promised. It says about 500 people were involved in construction and that it employs 150 people, including part-time and seasonal staff.
“You can dislike the man, you can dislike his politics, you can dislike his public pronouncements,” “But there still has to be some respect for the office. I don’t think you have any choice but to deal with him.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-44795229
Involving whom, and to what end?Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
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No you will find that the media were predicting 250,000 in London you would be lucky if there were 40,000 protestors there. Also the media ran with stories about the protests all week in the run up to trumps visit and the numbers were still. lowQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozymandias
You're not wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
You are good at squirming. You said "the media are reporting the numbers of those who attended". Past Tense. I pointed to easily verifiable evidence that this is incorrect. You'e now saying it was the future predictions of attendance prior to the day. I've also done a quick check on the media reporting of numbers in the run uo. Virtually all are prefaced by a variation on the theme of "organisers expect up to... xxx". So again you're creating a conspiracy that simply doesn't exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
It's moot anyway, and largely pointless to debate the make up of the protestors with you. Do you think Trump should have been protested against? Do you think his behaviour as President of the USA are more worthy of honour or disdain?
I wouldn't be at all surprised if there are a lot of smoke and mirrors involved in the investment figures Trump throws about. I watched a TV series about him last year and much of his property empire in the US appears to have been built on little more than bravado.Quote:
Originally Posted by Golden Fleece
However, IIRC Turnberry was effectively bankrupt after the global financial crash effectively put the previous owners (some sort of Dubai Government company I think) out of business so from the point of view of the Scottish economy it was no bad thing that Trump stepped in to snap it up. Anyone interested in golf knows it's a fantastic asset.
But do they also know how much it is losing? not a good business model, a bit like The Rangers.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
Settle, I am trying to tell you that the protest wasn't very effective, and far from getting more people to engage with the issues, it rather turned a lot off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozymandias
I mean, it doesn't come across as very equitable, that people who use a deformed baby to attack one person, can't tolerate being called snowflakes.
Snowflakes, out of all the collective names that can be used is hardly very hurtful is it?
The thing is, I do care about the bigger issues if Trump and Brexit, what is hacking me off is how namby Pamby protest is playing right into the image his supporters have of his opponents.
Sorry, you learn to read the body language, listen to the spokespeople and see what reaction it's getting, and in this vase, I'm afraid it was silly.
Try listening to people who disagree, they aren't necessarily bad people.
See above it was the nature of the protest. If you want an audience to engage couch your message in their terms. It just seemed like a lot of smug sods congratulating each other on their superior morality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozymandias
By the way, play the ball, not the man.
To me, at least they got off the couch and chose to demonstrate against injustice ...rather than criticise those who do .Quote:
Originally Posted by Chic Murray
Many people protest actively against Chinese human rights - seems to be an issue you care about - would you protest st about it ? Because those who were on the streets yesterday are at least showing the say No to Trump’s prejudice and division ....showing the government that what they are doing is seen as not acceptable ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
Ps. On the “lots of other leaders don’t get the same protests” type of point ...
A factor here is that for generations we have been used to a decent level of value and principle alignment between the US policies and that of the UK...the reason for a great deal of unrest against Trump is that it is seen as a highly divisive, protectionist and racist set of policies from him..it’s unusual for such a different policy from the leader of the US
KSA and China etc do attract protests at home and abroad - but there is never the expectations of shared values and belief system within their politics ..so it is often less
Mainstream
Now it it is getting silly. Were was there a deformed baby and how was it used?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chic Murray
Don't take me too seriously, but the Trump baby was a grotesque. It was not meant to look like a real baby, was it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Golden Fleece
There were other examples of name calling. What's sauce for the house is sauce for the gander.
I mean, is snowflake that offensive anyway?
Maybe other people tackle injustice in other ways, and see the whole rent a mob thing a little superficial and pointless?Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
See what I mean about the moral superiority being used to justify what was, let's be honest, counterproductive at best, and pathetic protest
If people don't take the protesters seriously, then the message doesn't travel too far.
The cages part actually started under the Obama administration....but he was the media goldenboy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
He also deported 8 million illegal immigrants,but again...didnt suit the media agenda.
Every US President from Eisenhower to Nixon, committed more and more resources to fighting in Vietnam, even though they knew they could not win the warQuote:
Originally Posted by Ryan69
People have to be more inquisitive and see beyond black hat, white hat. Trump is a liar, but Clinton was a liar too - most Yanks didn't like Trump, it's just they disliked Clinton more.
Hang on. You are now saying there wasn't a deformed baby but you are saying that the balloon characature was grotesque. I think that was the point. It wasn't meant to be realistic, it was a bit of fun to portray Trump in the way he often acts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chic Murray
It was fun to poke fun at somebody else, but it's offensive to use an innocent word like snowflake to poke fun at the people poking fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Golden Fleece
Can't get my head round the double standards, and I'm not convinced I want such people speaking for me
Stop focussing on the word deformed. However should there be such a baby in existence, I think deformed would be a fair description.
Maybe they do...but if they do, I doubt they are the sort who call protesters pathetic......anyone who is willing to get out there and say.."No, not in my name" deserves respect in my view. Those who see it as counter productive in my experience don't care much about the cause...Quote:
Originally Posted by Chic Murray
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Your experience is limited then.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
Do you want to effect change, or do you just want to be seen and heard?
Do you want to shape others views, or have you written those people off as pointless?
But, I hear what you're saying.
Sort of...You are right to imply that there was a record number of audited deportations of undocumented immigrants under the Obama regime...figures though are 5M not 8M... what you don't share is that the rise was partly due to a change in the data collection method. An independent audit concluded that like for like it was less than both Bush and Clinton regimes (10M and 12M respectively). It has also been quite a media discussed topic...so your didn't suit media agenda isn't true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan69
What also needs to be noted is that Trump and Obama have targeted very different groups for deportation. Obama's policies specifically focussed on violent criminals and those posing national security threats.
Trump focus is much more generalist....his enforcement policy defines a broader range of nationalities and types to be targeted. This sweeping approach means many more immigrants are considered deportation priorities.
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Chic.. your point about "should people do things to affect change" is a decent one to raise and explore....your dismissal of those who protest, such as yesterday, comes over as petty and disrespectful ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Chic Murray
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The way that the Greenpeace protesters got so near even with the police tip off is priceless. Donald where's yir bruisers?
Thanks, I can understand where you are coming from. It's ironic that the same charge can be put to the protesters.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
As I've said, it's ok for them to lampoon others, but when they are the target it's not acceptable.
From where I am, they seem as childish and dishonest as Trump
But, they are allowed to make their point, just as they are allowed to be the subject of ridicule
At the end of the day I hope they can reflect on what they can do to get more people on board, and stop giving ammunition to the far right.
People can feel free to voice any opinion they wish....pro or against....for me, I actually like the humour that has developed in the protest culture in recent times. May as well have some fun as you try to protest against the madness of the current world...it doesn't reduce their impact to me. As as for supplying ammunition. The far-right seem to be hugely sophisticated in creating their own, so don't see that as a material point...enjoy your Sunday!Quote:
Originally Posted by Chic Murray
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Interesting, it was satire that brought down the Soviet Union. Once people start laughing at you, the games up.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
Still can't help thinking the protesters would be better off with signs with "down with this sort of thing" on them
The word is RUNT but my hand kept ****ing it up accidentally https://t.co/4IU3mTcCXy
https://janeygodley.podomatic.com/
Most recent one is worth a listen
Just seen this :
“Thing is, with Trump here in the UK he's not even the worst political leader in the UK at the moment, Theresa "weak and wobbly" May takes that honour hands down. I kind of wish the effort being put into protesting against Trump was protests against May. Protesting about Trump is pointless, it means nothing to him, doesn't effect him and certainly won't make him change in any way. Protests the size of the London one against May and the handling of Brexit would be far more productive.”
He has a point.
Who is offended at the term snowflake? Not me. My point was it is a term often used as a lazy generalisation to attempt to generate a reaction. You used it, and then started straw-manning the life out of it in subsequent posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chic Murray
You've dismissed the protests/protestors as "namby-pamby", "silly". "pitiful", "effete, pampered, and privileged", "smug sods", "childish and dishonest". Like other posters this thread is that you seem to be annoyed that people aren't protesting in the right way. What would have been the right thing to do in your mind if you were sufficiently moved by Trumps presence to want to mark it in some democratic show?
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Originally Posted by Jack
Please tell me that’s from Boris’ Twitter. (Insert big smiley here)
Well that's really for the organisers to reflect on, once they evaluate the exercise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozymandias
I hope they'd be mature enough to accept that when they hear the same story from enough people there might be something in it.
I'd start off by suggesting that not getting angry when people point out your failings would get more people to listen
I really wish you guys would stop making it so easy for the right. That protest just played right into their narrative that an out of touch elite is running the country
You snarling and shouting people down reinforces it. So, please accept, you had a piss poor turnout and the message didn't carry as well as it might have
I didn't ask what you thought the organisers should do. I asked you what you would do/deem to be the correct type of protest, given your dismissal of what did take place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chic Murray
As for making it easy for the right - and assuming you are not on that side of the spectrum - I tend to think that it is you, who by parroting their talking points, legitimises their stance. Arguing with the right is usually a futile exercise anyway.
By the way, how on earth do you get that a turnout that in your mind was so bad backs up the view that an elite is running things? You get that from a few vox pop interviews? And finally - I didn't have a piss-poor turnout. I had zero involvement and didn't attend. I do have respect for those who did, and think the pettiness of the criticism does you no favour.
pQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozymandias
Would you not be better asking somebody whose skill set is getting the message out, rather than somebody who received it
What I would do is of no consequence. I've already told you I am a mentalist
I'm not a right winger, I think I know how they think though. I work with a lot of them. You are dealing with inverted snobs who basically see themselves as put on by "them"
It's kind of hard to tie them down to who "they" actually are, but it seems to be anybody who they see as looking down.
If my criticism is petty, it's a reaction to what I saw as foolish, futile and petty behaviour.
It is of consequence - I'm interested because you're so against what happened it just seems odd that you wouldn't have an idea of how it should have been done better. Criticising without any idea of an alternative is ultimately howling at the moon stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chic Murray
I think you've nailed the right wings stance on things though - on that we can agree at least.
Best thing chic Murray said
Do you know the battersea dogs home?
I didn't even know it had been away.
Are you a pole-vaulter?Quote:
Originally Posted by Golden Fleece
No, I'm a German. How did you know my name was Wolter?
God bless the internet 😂
https://t.co/zs2JgmS4ez
Hope I've got this right.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
I was looking out the window and saw this man walking past, and he lifted the gate off the hinges. I was going to go out and give him what for but was afraid he might take offence.
:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Golden Fleece
I knocked, and this woman opened the door in her nightgown.
I thought "funny place to have a door".
I once met a cowboy who had trousers, shirt and hat made of brown paper, he was wanted for rustling.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
At last!:aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by Golden Fleece
So, I was going to a wedding in Blackpool, and I asked this lady at the other table, "what's the best way to walk"
She said, "put one foot in front of the other".
I saw her later that day coming towards me in the street. I knew she was coming towards me, she was getting bigger all the time.
She had an incredibly long nose . the woman with the extraordinarily long nose. I've nothing against long noses – they run in our family.
When the woman hung her hooter in the air, she was able to say, with absolute certainty: "There's someone cooking cabbage in Manchester".
Can't believe I spent the whole of yesterday doing anything that would remotely appear to be pro Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozymandias
After reflecting, the demo was meant to be silly, I get that now. If people chose that way to mark history's card, so be it.
You ask what I would do differently. Firstly, I'd be demonstrating at the Foreign Office.
I quite liked the poll tax riots as a way of changing things, and I also admire the Women in Black.
Trump is a buffoon just now, but I fear his second term may turn very sinister, I think our government should stay away
One thing on how people perceived it though. Next time you look at Jacob Rees - Mogg and think "that's everything that's wrong with the right". Stop for a minute and consider that some of the exhibitionists on display on Saturday are probably representative of how right wingers see the left.
I fear we are drifting into the Rainbow Coalition territory that was so disastrous in the 80s.
She fell over, and her nose lodged in the tram tracks. So we just threw one of her legs over the power line and pushed her all the way to Squire's Gate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chic Murray
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The next day at breakfast they brought me honey. It was in a cup the size of a thimble. I said, "oh, I see you keep a bee'Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
She asked me "Aperitif?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Chic Murray
"Why? Is the steak tough?"
"Would you like a Macon?"
"Why? You going to spill it?"
Sigh.... :greengrin
I told my psychiatrist, "when I was five I wanted to be a doctor".Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
He said, "why didn't you?"
I said, "they didn't let five year olds into medical school".
:lips seal
I thought this was meant to be the Donald Trump thread?
Off you go, you small boys.
:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
I’m certainly not a fan of mr Trump, nor am I against protesting against his policies and position as a world leader.
I’m not sure how all the personal insults used in protest sits with me in terms of criticising someone for being a hateful character, though. Maybe I’m just reading too much into it though.
I despise his fanboy Piers Morgan a lot more than trump though. I never seek to find Piers Morgan comments or pictures but somehow he always manages to appear. **** of the highest order.
Have you given the petit choux any more thoughts?Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Morgan's an old hack and a wind-up merchant.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
We should worry less about Trump and more about our own problems which are considerable.
I was walking down the street with a half-bottle of whisky in my back pocket. I fell over and felt something wet down the back of my leg. I remember thinking "God, please let it be blood".......Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
A woman came across to me, she said, 'did you fall"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
I said, "no, I'm breaking a bar of toffee in my back pocket."
Interesting stuff from Cohen at his court hearing....is this the beginning of the end for Trump?
He’s too much of an asshole to go to prison. They would have to invent a new wing for him like the beasts wing ‘ the assholes wing.’Quote:
Originally Posted by RyeSloan
I loved his botox-faced wife lecturing about the harm caused by trolling on social media.
Pretty incendiary stuff from Cohen, but while it might help in bringing about some serious scrutiny of Trump, the **** will probably find himself evading any real issues.
What IS good to see is that Cohen is likely to spend a long period of time in jail for his part. Which is good, as the man is ****. Pure and unadulterated ****.
Do you think there is anything in the suggestion that Cohen is trying to strike a deal? After all, it's not been proved that Trump had knowledge, there's only an allegation just now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylar
More than allegation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chic Murray
Testimony under oath
Phone call recordings
The matter of fact in terms of the payments being made are now accepted.
The implications of that were prison for Cohen, quite what they mean for Trump remains to be seen...
Thing is nothing sticks to Trump; he isn't held to the same standard of 'normal' politicians. His supporters will excuse him for ANYTHING, in a cult like way. Let's see whether this latest hush money scandal finally does for him, as it should. I have my doubts.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyeSloan
Phone call recording by Cohen confirms he did know as he discussed itQuote:
Originally Posted by Chic Murray
Testimony from Cohen confirmed it further
He denied it on camera on Air Force One a few months ago
He confirmed on an interview on Fox last week he used his own money.
The man is a pathological liar.
His refusal to issue the standard proclamation for the flag to be flown at half mast for John McCain, the White House flag not being lowered and him sitting with his arms folded refusing to acknowledge questions on the subject from reporters sum the mans mentality up.
Whatever your views on McCains politics he was a towering figure in US politics and his ordeal in Vietnam entitles him to comment from the sitting President.
Trump warns evangelical leaders they won't be able to say "Merry Christmas" anymore if Democrats win in the midterms.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45340275
People believe this!!! What is happening to this world!?!?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
Just watching his live press conference from New York. Comedy pure.
This nutter will be around for another two years or so.
If he gets re-elected America will be shown to be full of very stupid people.
Have seen his latest press conferences, he is unbelievably arrogant and detached from reality. It's like Will Ferral had got a blond wig and has made a Ron Burgundy for the whitehouse. His comment about China respecting him and his brain? WTF?
I watched the whole press conference and noticed his statement about the Kurds has gone completely under the radar. I'm surprised that Turkey, Iraq, Iran and Syria haven't gone ballistic.
Hopefully they've all realised he's a complete tool that's not to be taken seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
A tool with a really big brain, mind.
I’m just back from the states and sadly lots are still backing him because their economy is growing and unemployment is down. The ones I spoke to all claim it’s down to his “America First” policy. The failure of ordinary Americans to look beyond their own pocket is not surprising. They genuinely don’t care that Trump is regarded a fool across the world as long as the dollars keep coming their way.Quote:
Originally Posted by heretoday
Why should they care? Economy booming, unemployment at historically low levels, tackling countries who have ripped off the US for years, jobs coming back to industries long presumed dead, I wouldn't give a **** either what those in Europe thought given the economic performance across the continent.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
You almost sound down that the economy is growing and employment increasing? That's good thing is it not?Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
Do you really think a factory worker in West Virginia cares how Trump is viewed by people in other countries? Or do they care they have better job prospects and feel better off than 2 years ago.
I bet I know what they care about more.
That's onĺy if you believe Trump is responsible for the upturn in economic growth. However the upturn started under Obama and Trump is riding the wake of policy set in place by the democrats.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbc70
Does the factory worker care?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
At the latest next time he's stood in front of a ballot box.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbc70
Only thing I’m down about is the prospect that Trump will get elected again. The trade wars he’s launched has given their economy a short term boost but over time it will increase inflation and as result slow down consumer spending leading to higher unemployment rates.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbc70
Is the answer, "high calorie foods and tasteless lager?"Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbc70
He'll care plenty when Trump starts to force wages down, and sends in the National Guard to deal with any protests.
Do you think you are better than them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chic Murray
Have a word mate, and read the second part of my post.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbc70
I think you added that as I quoted your post, might be wrong though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chic Murray
But still your comment comes across as sneering at them and an attitude of your better than them.
Right, say I do think I'm better than them (which I don't) what difference does that make?Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbc70
I see you still haven't responded to my real point.
Does the factory worker care whether Democratic or Republican policies are responsible for improved conditions/prospects? Of course they do. Why wouldn't they?Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbc70