Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

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Originally Posted by silverhibee

SSN saying it was paid last night.

That's where i heard it from, think it was Jim Whyte :greengrin

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Someone will correct if I'm wrong here, but didn't the 3 cuddly teddy bears try and pay the loan of a few weeks ago, but because the deadline for repayment had passed MA refused it to keep ahold of the assets from the loan agreement

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Originally Posted by wills

Someone will correct if I'm wrong here, but didn't the 3 cuddly teddy bears try and pay the loan of a few weeks ago, but because the deadline for repayment had passed MA refused it to keep ahold of the assets from the loan agreement

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That was only speculation on here.

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Today's newspapers show the true class of Rangers. Is there any other club where "Chairman not jailed" is headline news?

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Originally Posted by ballengeich

Today's newspapers show the true class of Rangers. Is there any other club where "Chairman not jailed" is headline news?

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Haha. Yes. And it be a positive story ! :-).


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Originally Posted by wills

Someone will correct if I'm wrong here, but didn't the 3 cuddly teddy bears try and pay the loan of a few weeks ago, but because the deadline for repayment had passed MA refused it to keep ahold of the assets from the loan agreement

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See my specultion in post #32297 about default.

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Originally Posted by hibs0666

Nope I think Scottish football benefits from stability as it gives people thinking about investing in the game some certainty over what they are investing in.

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Investing? As in looking to make a return?

So, people are more likely to invest - spend money to make money - if Rangers are part of the show, and by that, a strong Rangers?

That makes no sense whatsoever unless you're talking about investing in Rangers.

If you're talking about TV money and Sponsors, of course they're only interested in two teams Rangers and Celtic, and that's because they can show the hatred live on TV.

And of course these two Clubs always took the lions share of income. Sounds like you want to get straight back to that point.

Either that, or you're a troll.

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Originally Posted by Cropley10

Investing? As in looking to make a return?

So, people are more likely to invest - spend money to make money - if Rangers are part of the show, and by that, a strong Rangers?

That makes no sense whatsoever unless you're talking about investing in Rangers.

If you're talking about TV money and Sponsors, of course they're only interested in two teams Rangers and Celtic, and that's because they can show the hatred live on TV.

And of course these two Clubs always took the lions share of income. Sounds like you want to get straight back to that point.

Either that, or you're a troll.

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I've no idea why you're trolling me but each to their own.

The picture of Scottish that you paint is about as depressing as it gets. I happen to think that we can progress and grow the game in ways that do not rely on bigotry, and we can get companies to engage with the game based upon positive outcomes and behaviours and not on the old firm freakshow.

However, to progress in that fashion requires Scottish clubs, supporters and governing authorities to work collaboratively for the common good. As far as the huns situation is concerned it is a matter of historic relevance only, and the parties involved will get to know the Scottish judicial system very well over the coming months and years. But that's all it is - a matter of history.

If we are to better Scottish football we have to live in the here and now and goodness knows we do not have our problems to seek. Our national team is down to 52 in the world just behind Gambia and Trinidad. Our clubs are hardly worth a mention in a European context. The stadia of most of our clubs lie half empty from week to week, as these clubs struggle to hold on to the best of their talent even beyond the teenage years.

And yet guys - perhaps even you - think it's all about the Rangers. I'm sorry but I fundamentally disagree.

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Originally Posted by Mr White

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You've picked the bits of Lord nimmo smiths report that suits your position and ignored the parts that don't. You've also ignored any posts that question your position and blow your arguments to pieces. I don't doubt you're a hibs fan but I wonder why you're trolling this forum as I don't believe your posts reflect your true opinions. If they do I'd have more respect for them if you'd bothered to respond to the posts that point out the flaws in your posts.

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Going back to your point it is great that there has been greater diversity on the winners rostrum (apart from the gunts of course), and that has been achieved as the overall quality in the game has diminished.

I'd much rather see a game that is thriving and is improving in quality, and we will be unable to create that platform for quality improvement until the Scottish football civil war comes to an end.

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Originally Posted by hibs0666

I've no idea why you're trolling me but each to their own.

The picture of Scottish that you paint is about as depressing as it gets. I happen to think that we can progress and grow the game in ways that do not rely on bigotry, and we can get companies to engage with the game based upon positive outcomes and behaviours and not on the old firm freakshow.

However, to progress in that fashion requires Scottish clubs, supporters and governing authorities to work collaboratively for the common good. As far as the huns situation is concerned it is a matter of historic relevance only, and the parties involved will get to know the Scottish judicial system very well over the coming months and years. But that's all it is - a matter of history.

If we are to better Scottish football we have to live in the here and now and goodness knows we do not have our problems to seek. Our national team is down to 52 in the world just behind Gambia and Trinidad. Our clubs are hardly worth a mention in a European context. The stadia of most of our clubs lie half empty from week to week, as these clubs struggle to hold on to the best of their talent even beyond the teenage years.

And yet guys - perhaps even you - think it's all about the Rangers. I'm sorry but I fundamentally disagree.

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Yeah but surely working for the common good means getting things right from the start..One mans living in the here and now is another's brushing things under the carpet..

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Originally Posted by hibs0666

Going back to your point it is great that there has been greater diversity on the winners rostrum (apart from the guunts of course), and that has been achieved as the overall quality in the game has diminished.

I'd much rather see a game that is thriving and is improving in quality, and we will be unable to create that platform for quality improvement until the Scottish football civil war comes to an end.

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That's a fair point. My concern however is that things revert to the status quo rather than any of the positive things you mention happening. I suspect that's the preference of a lot of our games administrators (no pun intended) and imo that goes hand in hand with sweeping the rangers issue under the carpet.

As for the current state of our game, I don't think we'd be in any better position had the rangers meltdown not occurred or had it been handled differently. In fact I suspect things would be even worse.

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Originally Posted by hibs0666

I've no idea why you're trolling me but each to their own.

The picture of Scottish that you paint is about as depressing as it gets. I happen to think that we can progress and grow the game in ways that do not rely on bigotry, and we can get companies to engage with the game based upon positive outcomes and behaviours and not on the old firm freakshow.

However, to progress in that fashion requires Scottish clubs, supporters and governing authorities to work collaboratively for the common good. As far as the huns situation is concerned it is a matter of historic relevance only, and the parties involved will get to know the Scottish judicial system very well over the coming months and years. But that's all it is - a matter of history.

If we are to better Scottish football we have to live in the here and now and goodness knows we do not have our problems to seek. Our national team is down to 52 in the world just behind Gambia and Trinidad. Our clubs are hardly worth a mention in a European context. The stadia of most of our clubs lie half empty from week to week, as these clubs struggle to hold on to the best of their talent even beyond the teenage years.

And yet guys - perhaps even you - think it's all about the Rangers. I'm sorry but I fundamentally disagree.

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I'd agree with all of this but for one thing...... The Huns just don't believe the bit in bold, if they did then I'm 100% with you :aok:

Is Ozy going to be keeping us up to date today ? :greengrin

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Originally Posted by hibs0666

I've no idea why you're trolling me but each to their own.

The picture of Scottish that you paint is about as depressing as it gets. I happen to think that we can progress and grow the game in ways that do not rely on bigotry, and we can get companies to engage with the game based upon positive outcomes and behaviours and not on the old firm freakshow.

However, to progress in that fashion requires Scottish clubs, supporters and governing authorities to work collaboratively for the common good. As far as the huns situation is concerned it is a matter of historic relevance only, and the parties involved will get to know the Scottish judicial system very well over the coming months and years. But that's all it is - a matter of history.

If we are to better Scottish football we have to live in the here and now and goodness knows we do not have our problems to seek. Our national team is down to 52 in the world just behind Gambia and Trinidad. Our clubs are hardly worth a mention in a European context. The stadia of most of our clubs lie half empty from week to week, as these clubs struggle to hold on to the best of their talent even beyond the teenage years.

And yet guys - perhaps even you - think it's all about the Rangers. I'm sorry but I fundamentally disagree.

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It's not, though.

By dealing properly with the Rangers situation (at all levels. Administratively, commercially, culturally), we can reduce the chances of it repeating itself. If we ignore it, it will be back to the status quo before we know it. And that repetition can only be avoided by keeping the pressure on those who have the levers of power..... the clubs, the legal system, the media and the football authorities.

As for "investment", we have just had BT Sport take up the contract for the new League Cup. That has to be a step in the right direction, no? Somebody, somewhere (Doncaster?) has to be given the credit for that.

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Originally Posted by Mr White

That's a fair point. My concern however is that things revert to the status quo rather than any of the positive things you mention happening. I suspect that's the preference of a lot of our games administrators (no pun intended) and imo that goes hand in hand with sweeping the rangers issue under the carpet.

As for the current state of our game, I don't think we'd be in any better position had the rangers meltdown not occurred or had it been handled differently. In fact I suspect things would be even worse.

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Let's be clear - Regan and the speccy one work according to the mandate to which they are provided by their member clubs. Therefore the status quo prevails only if those clubs collectively choose for that to happen. Hell mend them if these clubs - including Hibs - allow that to be the case.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

It's not, though.

By dealing properly with the Rangers situation (at all levels. Administratively, commercially, culturally), we can reduce the chances of it repeating itself. If we ignore it, it will be back to the status quo before we know it. And that repetition can only be avoided by keeping the pressure on those who have the levers of power..... the clubs, the legal system, the media and the football authorities.

As for "investment", we have just had BT Sport take up the contract for the new League Cup. That has to be a step in the right direction, no? Somebody, somewhere (Doncaster?) has to be given the credit for that.

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I'd give BT the credit before him :greengrin

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

It's not, though.

By dealing properly with the Rangers situation (at all levels. Administratively, commercially, culturally), we can reduce the chances of it repeating itself. If we ignore it, it will be back to the status quo before we know it. And that repetition can only be avoided by keeping the pressure on those who have the levers of power..... the clubs, the legal system, the media and the football authorities.

As for "investment", we have just had BT Sport take up the contract for the new League Cup. That has to be a step in the right direction, no? Somebody, somewhere (Doncaster?) has to be given the credit for that.

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It's not a case of ignoring it. IMHO opinion we already know pretty much all that we need to know about failure in governance, culture etc. in order to start on the long journey to a better future.

Except we can't do that because there is no collective desire to make things better, and the only thing that most people passionately care about is the imposition or avoidance of punitive actions for past mis-deeds.

The BT Sport deal was indeed a positive step and I want Scottish football to get to a place where the queue of potential commercial partners is round the block as soon as the SPFL doors are flung open on a Monday morning.

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Originally Posted by hibs0666

It's not a case of ignoring it. IMHO opinion we already know pretty much all that we need to know about failure in governance, culture etc. in order to start on the long journey to a better future.

Except we can't do that because there is no collective desire to make things better, and the only thing that most people passionately care about is the imposition or avoidance of punitive actions for past mis-deeds.

The BT Sport deal was indeed a positive step and I want Scottish football to get to a place where the queue of potential commercial partners is round the block as soon as the SPFL doors are flung open on a Monday morning.

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But what has actually been done about it?

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Originally Posted by hibs0666

Let's be clear - Regan and the speccy one work according to the mandate to which they are provided by their member clubs. Therefore the status quo prevails only if those clubs collectively choose for that to happen. Hell mend them if these clubs - including Hibs - allow that to be the case.

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And for the member clubs to grow a set and see past 4 home games against Celtc and The Rangers as the financial lifeline it has become. This is what facilitated the changes of the 1970's which everyone is now desperately trying to overturn. Until all clubs accept that they are all equal members of the association there can be no positive outcome.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

But what has actually been done about it?

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That's my point - the game is in stasis due to the on-going civil war and nothing can be done until all parties are prepared to move on as reflected by the mood overwhelmingly expressed in this thread.

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Originally Posted by hibs0666

That's my point - the game is in stasis due to the on-going civil war and nothing can be done until all parties are prepared to move on as reflected by the mood overwhelmingly expressed in this thread.

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My point, though, is that we can't properly move on without addressing the issues that have been raised. And that has not happened. Other than the LNS (unpaid) fine, there has been no calling to account.

It's like Truth and Reconciliation. Without that, the past mistakes are doomed to be repeated.

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Originally Posted by hibs0666

That's my point - the game is in stasis due to the on-going civil war and nothing can be done until all parties are prepared to move on as reflected by the mood overwhelmingly expressed in this thread.

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Something has to change before people move on. What do you suggest?


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Originally Posted by hibs0666

Going back to your point it is great that there has been greater diversity on the winners rostrum (apart from the gunts of course), and that has been achieved as the overall quality in the game has diminished.

I'd much rather see a game that is thriving and is improving in quality, and we will be unable to create that platform for quality improvement until the Scottish football civil war comes to an end.

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I can see what you are saying in all your posts and agree with some to an extent but the issue for me and thousands of others across the country is, the football association in collaboration with the old firm and related media outlets have completely destroyed our game! We cannot allow it to resolve backwards into its previous state!

As fans out with the GFA & Media, we have had to fight for every inch and use online based sites to clearly get our point across and to simply throw it all away just because it would be better for Scottish Football, is a complete red-herring!

I am so disinterested in the Scottish game right now and the only way forward I can see is a complete root and branch clearance of the association and an upheaval of them out of Glasgow into a more neutral venue i.e. Perth. However, until we get transparency and honesty back into our game, this wont occur.

Just a Wee query. The Huns have been spending way out with their means since they were allowed entry to the bottom tier of the SPFL. The spent more than they have for years before that too (in the context of the old Huns). The only reason they're still going is a number of soft loans and share issues. If it goes back to how it was 'for the good of Scottish football' what makes people think they will change? What protection for the game is there that the obvious financial mismanagement of the Hun doesn't continue? Surely the better option is to keep clipping their wings until those that run that horrible institution realise they need to operate on a level playing field? Their aura of self entitlement makes me boak. When one or more teams in a league structure operates like that there will never be a healthy game in Scotland.

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Originally Posted by vince1973

Just a Wee query. The Huns have been spending way out with their means since they were allowed entry to the bottom tier of the SPFL. The spent more than they have for years before that too (in the context of the old Huns). The only reason they're still going is a number of soft loans and share issues. If it goes back to how it was 'for the good of Scottish football' what makes people think they will change? What protection for the game is there that the obvious financial mismanagement of the Hun doesn't continue? Surely the better option is to keep clipping their wings until those that run that horrible institution realise they need to operate on a level playing field? Their aura of self entitlement makes me boak. When one or more teams in a league structure operates like that there will never be a healthy game in Scotland.

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That is one of the fundamental issues that needs to be dealt with before we can make any progress.

Rod told us 2 (3?) years ago at the AGM that FFP was being introduced to our game. Other than tinkering at the edges (eg the points deductions for insolvency), I'm not sure that's happening quickly enough for most people.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

That is one of the fundamental issues that needs to be dealt with before we can make any progress.

Rod told us 2 (3?) years ago at the AGM that FFP was being introduced to our game. Other than tinkering at the edges (eg the points deductions for insolvency), I'm not sure that's happening quickly enough for most people.

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I agree. We have stiffened the penalties for after the event but not put in any preventative measures.



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