The penalty occurred with 11 men in the pitch, come on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Printable View
The penalty occurred with 11 men in the pitch, come on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I am def more critical of Porto than some, maybe even most, on here, but he gets far too much stick for the Germany red card
His challenge after coming on against Greece recently on other hand does give me fear he's not progressed much since leaving us and might now be going backwards
If Malkay and Gray think we can get him back to his best though it's a no brainer with or without Rocky
What are you on about? Gundogan was tapping the ball into an empty net if Porto hadn't attempted to stop him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
That would have been 3-0 at half time against 11 men.
Surely you understand that.
Porto is well behind that pair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fergus52
No, you presume that’s what he was going to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by flash
He was on the stretch, Porteous was still goal side of him. He still had a bit to do. It was pointed out at the time that the xG for the chance was significantly lower than the xG for the penalty.
The Porto from the season we finished 3rd?Quote:
Originally Posted by keep the faith
OK with that i am out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Up until LJ we had the best defensive record in the league outside the OF for 3 seasons. Porto was heavily featured.Quote:
Originally Posted by flash
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Some of Hibs best signings of the last decade or so are players who have lost their way. Allan lost his way about 3 times before joining us and being a stellar player, Fraser Fyvie was a lost player after failing down south. Martin Boyle failed at Dundee. I don't think it's as simple as saying you can only sign players on the back of good seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Porteous is a player at 26 years old who has both incredible amounts of career experience not just in Scotland but now in a very competitive division down south and has played against some top opposition for Scotland. Yet despite all that he still arguably has his best years ahead of him still as a defender. If you were to offer me ANY player with the CV of Ryan Porteous I think we would all jump at it.
I would agree that on current form he isn't 'easily' better than Rocky or Iredale but I don't think it's a choice of either of them or Porteous. The best case scenario would be he would come into RCB with they two, although I think it's sadly a case of a replacement for Rocky personally. If we're looking for a replacement centre back then I think we'd honestly struggle to do any better in this current market than Ryan Porteous.
I think Porteous would be a very good signing. Would love us to keep Rocky too but not sure if this is a one or the other arrangement. Concerns like anyone that he hasn't learned not to dive in and go in hard and reckless but think the positive attributes he brings outweigh those traits. Home grown international defender from the Chanpionship still to hit peak years - yes from me
The thing is if Porto career hadn't taken a drop there would be no realistic chance us getting him back. Only reason it's even possible is due to him dropping off the last 2 seasons.
I’d hardly say Iredale or Rocky were on the when they came in to the team last November or when they joined. We’re talking about a player who has played regularly in The Championship over the last 2 and a bit years so he’s hardly at rock bottom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Yep, and mission 1 is win the first derby, with a clean sheetQuote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
Aye this is a good point. Iredale couldn’t get a game at League One Bolton but came here and was arguably POTY.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
And that was after, arguably, getting in to our team by default as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
I think we’ve seen that we have a manager who can find a way of getting the best out of players if they have good attributes. Porteous has loads of good attributes and experience as well.
Well done to him. Does he go down as a success story of recent years in terms of guys that have came through and went on to have decent careers at a good level? Probably? Who are the other candidates doesn't feel like there has been that many.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Bunter 07
Hope Porto comes back and gets another crack down southQuote:
Originally Posted by flash
They’re signing Findlay on a loan to buy deal . Who needs a computer
People don't like those type's of facts though.Quote:
Originally Posted by 500miles
They'd rather make up this imaginary thing about him apparently having a "bad attitude" even though he was very well liked within the squads he played in and still keeps in touch with many current/ex hibs players.
I'm confused as to why many are turning their nose up at him, people are making out as if PNE were chucking in goals left right and centre, that wasn't the case, themselves, Hull & Derby had conceded less goals than Coventry & Bristol City who both finished in a play off position, they all ended up bottom of the table and couldn't score to save themselves.
The less said about Watford the better, that club is an absolute basket case, more managers than hot food served on a Saturday afternoon, some of their fans complained about Joao Pedro leaving claiming "he was never good enough" for the PL.
Porteous improves us greatly and regardless of personal opinions, that is a fact.
Definitely a success story. Anyone that comes out of your academy and plays regular senior football is probably a success for the most part, even more so if they can go play in the Scottish Prem or top 3/4 leagues of England.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby's Cinema
Porteous at his best is comfortably as good as either Rocky or Iredale and probably significantly better. The question is whether we could get him back to his best - and improving.
Downsides for me - questionable judgement and temperament at times, slightly risky signing in terms of direction of career and performance and referees just LOVE to book him up here.
Upsides - unquestionably plays for the jersey, potential to be an absolute steal of a signing, on his game would be a pretty seamless replacement for Rocky should we lose him, requires next to no settling in time in terms of the club, Edinburgh and the Scottish game. And he's a Scotland internationalist, so there's clearly quality there.
VAR decision: sign him.
Some of our best players in recent times have been returnees after being good in Scotland then struggled in England.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Scott Allan and Fraser Fyvie are two examples
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Porteous would be a great addition to our squad. Let’s get it done Hibs.
Except it isn't, it's a personal opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thatdayinmay16
If you said Virgil Van Dyke was joining us, that might be pretty undisputable.
There's more to football than a players innate abilities. Temperament, attitude and impact on teammates, treatment from officialdom and media all matter.
Porteous comes with a lot of baggage around his capacity to focus on playing football. Can this really be so confusing when it's been repeated so many times?
If he comes back I'll be pleased, but also have reservations.
Genuine question - when you say "at his best" what period would you classify his best? He had some very good games for us (not watched any of him whilst down south) but his problem was consistency and temperament - he was capable of a 9 or 9.5 out of 10 and next week could be 5 or 6). For me Iredale is consistently 7.5-8.0. Rocky as well for the last few months has been remarkably consistent and for me would average a 8.0-8.5 I am not sure I have seen that level of consistency in Porteous. When you look at how poor Scotland have been defensively he should be knocking that door down. Appreciate the media did a number on him for the Euro's as it was blown out of all proportion but if he was performing at a consistent level for whatever club he should have been in the squad pushing for a start.Quote:
Originally Posted by One Day Soon
Porto has a high ceiling and a low floor. Bad day Porto, bad moment Porto can be pretty poor. Iredale to name one hasn’t had many poor moments.Quote:
Originally Posted by One Day Soon
Gray though has already demonstrated an ability to improve players. Exactly what I said about Porto above could have been said about Rocky and within a season, Gray has helped turn Rocky in a squad player who we might start if we overlook his rough edges in an indispensable starter, the cornerstone of our defence.
Porto always frustrated me but that’s because I actually really rated him, I’ve always thought he’s capable of playing at his best more consistently. He’s also now reaching a great age for a defender.
Outrageous claim alert - if we signed Porteous and kept Rocky, Rangers and Celtic would be doing well to put together a back line better than Iredale, Rocky and Porto, especially if Celtic lose Carter-Vickers.
I’d be disappointed if Porto or Rocky joined Celtic or Rangers as I think both would do very well for them.
I do and don’t agree with your last point in if we got back a mature Porteous that has the head screwed on who learnt to cut out the daft things he was doing as a young lad like lunging in on tackles he can’t possibly win then yes it probably would in the current market be hard to get a better player , certainly has the ability to be a top player at us …Quote:
Originally Posted by Centre Hawf
Though if we got the one we had the last few months before he left I don’t think he’d be any great asset to the club and could end up being quite the opposite . What I mean by that is there is a good togetherness in this squad now and the one thing that we don’t need is a player bawling at other players when he makes a mistake himself. Honestly thought Porteous antics was shocking before he left quite frankly and i think some fans have (myself included) very valid reasons to be concerned over which version of Ryan Porteous we’d get , personally really hope we can persuade Rocky to stay who is much less a risk on and off the field….
https://wfcforums.com/index.php?thre...orteous.61308/
https://x.com/louorns/status/1892178981694099572
They have been. Some of our worst have also been those types - Demi Mitchell, James Scott, Kris Humphrey’s, Emerson Hyndman who had all been good up here then went down south, lost their way and failed at us.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlbertK86
Ultimately each player needs to be taken on their own merit rather than compared with players who have followed a similar path before as there’s examples of successes and failures.
If Porteous comes back and we get the best version of him then he’d be a good signing. I’m not convinced that version will be the one we get though as it’s been about 3 or 4 years since he’s consistently delivered it.
He does improve us though, regardless of how you look at it, up until LJ had walked in the door, Ryan was apart of a hibs side that had conceded the least amount of goals outside of the old firm for 2 season if I am not mistaken.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
Absolutely no disputing his performances dropped in the months leading up to his departure.
If you're suggesting to me he isn't a greater option than Warren O'Hora or Lewis Miller at RCB then your mistaken.
If it works wage wise all round and is just a money back deal to Watford , no more, then worth a go on Porto! Hoping Bushiri stays for some more at least, although Ekpiteta might be OK. Ohora NO. So for Porto it's a Go, Defo