Yep it's just a beast and its probably in the wrong thread maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
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Yep it's just a beast and its probably in the wrong thread maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
It seems like GEN Z, 18 - 24 year old's that use TIKTOK are starting to reject gender identity politics, they are starting to call out the They/Them gremlins (That's what they call themselves) calling them weird and going too far, calling it chronically on-line behaviour, this is bad news for Nicola Sturgeon because if she thought she was tuning into what young people think, while young people on TIKTOK are turning against gender Self-ID. She has backed a lost cause. Fads come and go. The internet is not the same as the real world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOcR7Nc3GHQ
Whatever you've just tried to share is already down.Quote:
Originally Posted by 147lothian
I can only judge then on your words. No empathy for folk dealing with trans decisions. Just acceptable collateral damage in the frenzied fight against the SNP?
I lasted as long as it took her to claim that grass is an inanimate object.Quote:
Originally Posted by 147lothian
In bringing some consistency to the issue. IIRC Police Scotland are these days meant to record incidents according to the gender those involved identify as.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
I imagine now that the 'individual' has been named we'll see the story across most of tomorrow's front pages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Is the evidence for this trend just this one video. I thought the he/him that/thone stuff was a trend and more people don't bother with it than do.Quote:
Originally Posted by 147lothian
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Daily Mail down south getting hot and bothered about something to do with CoE considering gender neutrality for god.
Front page. Main story.
So much of this is about the older demographic (who vote and who have the most money) freaking at change, and this headline is emblematic of that.
It all serves to marginalise trans folk more and more. We're probably at the same point in the progress of humanity on this island as we were with gays in the 70s. I am ashamed of that.
We should have a trans James Bond. [emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
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I don’t use til-tok, but isn’t that claim similar to saying people are starting to be racist on Facebook, which is bad news for non-racists? I.E it’s a social media platform with all sorts of ranging views, including unfortunate ones held by ignorant minorities.Quote:
Originally Posted by 147lothian
Often those unfortunate ones are removed due to being inappropriate and harmful.
You'll get dog's abuse for drawing parallels with previous inequality injustices. But you're right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
Nah its nonsense. As joanna cherry says probably the biggest group of people opposing since the start women won't wheesht, have a large section from lesbian groups. They have been fighting inequality for decades. There's obviously bigoted people that oppose GRA no doubt, but the vast majority aren't and are cross party.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
In every poll almost all agree with the vast majority of trans rights improvements. They are for the right to change sex easier, get married, adopt ect, but want a few caveats. To compare that to people's opinions on LGBT in the 70s is mental
People like to group everyone in a box but it weakens their argument to just being ridiculous
https://news.stv.tv/east-central/galasheils-man-charged-after-missing-11-year-old-traced-after-search-operation-by-police-and-publicQuote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
A man has been charged.
I hesitated to respond to this as I know how it will go, but I think there are some issues with how you are representing this. While on a superficial level there are comparisons, they don't stand up to much examination. What we are witnessing now is a clash of rights. I can't think of a single case where advancing the rights of gay people took away rights from anyone else. You could argue that, at the margins, there were cases about services provided, etc. But I struggle to see any negative impact on society of providing rights for gay people, but I do see lots of positives. The current debate about trans lives is different on so many levels. While I think people are generally sympathetic and have live and let live attitudes, there is encroachment, particularly on women's rights. There have been lots of attempts on here to dismiss or minimise these on here. In addition, I do think it is legitimate to have debate about the impact on society of medicalised and drug supported pathways which are, in many cases, irreversible. That is absolutely not to say that these routes should be closed off where they are needed. But this is one reason why the link to gay rights is weak. Indeed some gay people see this as an attack on their gay identity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
Unfortunately, this has got caught up in constitutional issues. There is a defend at all costs and attack at all costs mentality, which makes serious debate on a sensitive issue almost impossible. Where people raise issues they are described as anti trans. To my mind this is the same as describing the March on Washington as anti-white. It's not an attempt to seriously engage but rather to shut down.
My issues with the bill are the vagueness and muddle that I think it represents. I have mentioned before that a close family member was involved in supporting someone who physically transitioned. Their story could not be further from the noise that passes for debate just now.
Thanks for the reply. I agree with a lot of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
I don't expect folk to remember but I've said already on this thread that I don't have a view on the GRA as I don't know enough about it. I've had plenty of time to address that but I haven't and am still not informed enough to say anything one way or the other.
My posts aren't about the GRA. What I am appalled at is how it is suddenly open season on trans people generally. It is just as it used to be with gay people.
Most outlets are now going with 'transgender butcher'. Could be yet another new niche gender I guess:Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64563472
I don't use tiktok either but that is no-where near what is being claimed all that is being said is that the more outlandish claims for example people identifying as a frog or wolf are being called out, which I guess was always going to happen because they were making the platform look ridiculous, so was always going to happen eventually, all that is being said is claims of identifying as something that is removed from reality is a fad, which users have got fed up with.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
When I said claimed I was referring to your positioning of things that it’s bad news for Nicola Sturgeon that something is being said on tik-tok.. when pretty much anything and everything is likely to be said on tik-tok.Quote:
Originally Posted by 147lothian
Like I say, I don’t know that much about the platform so won’t argue the point any further 👍
Not sure if this is the appropriate thread for this, but it piqued my interest.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/god-is-neither-male-nor-female-church-of-england-is-considering-gender-neutral-terms-12805759
PC gone mad, or an acceptance of the Divine Feminine?
Think it's something that will never happen but will be used by papers to try and froth anger on both sides, a bit like no schools singing bah bah blacksheep. Best ignoredQuote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
I won't be ignoring it. 😀 I'm always open to.the DF concept, but that's perhaps for a separate threadQuote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
I've no skin in the game as I think it's all rhubarb. I would have similar interests in the spiderman canon.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
I’ve had my suspicions, what with the tights and all…Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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Spiderman fans would get their Web in a twist if you called them tights, unless you're talking about the church but I think that's more frocksQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
The ancient Greeks, Aramiacs and Hebrews had this discussion millenia ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Iirc the answer they came up with is that God is "ineffable".
I don't have the words to describe what that means.
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:greengrin:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Kato
https://youtu.be/hjcXXkOHTeU
When God was a girl. 😉
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...rance-29173549
Interesting to see he's still being referred to as a man despite identifying as a female. Wonder how he'll be referred to in court.
It'll certainly save Sturgeon tying herself in knots again if the media stick with 'man'.
Have you ever thought of being a linesman?Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Very interesting read, Ella Wheelan, exposed how Gender Self-ID doesn't stand up to scrutiny on Question Time when Jenny Gilruth tied herself in knots trying to evade her question.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Also Nicola Sturgeon has done mental gymnastics trying to defend Gender Self-ID, there is starting to be a realization within the SNP that making a niche issue a constitutional battle is political suicide considering the conflict in interests between trans rights to have Gender Self-ID and the rights of biological women to have same sex spaces. Trans women are women except when they're rapists is an Orwellian absurdity.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinio...askill-4018179