I don’t think there are many undecideds left to fight over.Quote:
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I don’t think there are many undecideds left to fight over.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
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I also don't think there are many undecided votes from a Trump/Biden perspective but there are a sizeable chunk of people who aren't voting at all or are going 3rd party, they are probably trying to make a play for them as it could make all the difference
Trump is going to win again.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
We clearly haven't suffered enough yet. Four more years of this lunatic plus Boris plus Brexit plus Corona.
I suspect he'll win too. Its astonishing the Democrat party couldnt come up with anything better for the last 2 elections.
Even if Biden wins somehow I'm convinced Trump has whipped his base not to accept it no matter what.
Civil unrest is gonna dominate the next few years.
I guess like all those groups, their base is the internet. 15,000-20,000 (Presumably heavily armed) members nationwide. That’s a tiny number of voters in the scale of things. He’s courting their approval because he wants them on the streets causing trouble, why else would it be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.n...itias.amp.html
I'm sure plenty would-be Democrat candidates just didn't fancy it this time round, given the state of the US and the world. Politicians, eh? And they'll yabber about how they want to change things, improve things.
I was really disappointed with Biden. Trump was just Trump - a repulsive lying bully. Biden didn’t command any sort of authority when he spoke, although I thought he did better when he addressed the viewers, which he did much better than Trump.
Shame on America that this is the best they have to offer, when you think out how many brilliant people they have in their population.
I'm in the middle of reading I Heard You Paint Houses, the book that inspired The Irishman.
In it, Frank Sheeran suggests that Biden's initial election in Delaware was aided/assured by the Mob.
Perhaps one for Trump to use later in the campaign?
Based on what evidence?Quote:
Originally Posted by heretoday
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I think Biden will win but I agree with the last 2 paragraphs. I genuinely believe Trump will leave a country that is almost ungovernable.Quote:
Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee
Normally when a party loses it accepts the defeat and tries to renew and understand where it went wrong - see Keir Starmer. It also then breaks away from the losing candidate and forms a new agenda.
Trumpism doesn't allow for reflection, admitting errors, evaluation or anything other than Trump. He has captured the Republican party and a sizeable chunk of the electorate. He will want to run again in 2024 and he's crushed all before him in the party so will absolutely win the Republican nomination again.
He's set the stage for not accepting the result, which is a call for Republicans and his supporters to do everything they can against the Democrats agenda. And I don't mean legally. America is in for some very tough years ahead.
Full 'debate' here, if you can bear it. I've never seen anything like it; Trump was unhinged, often shouting and interrupting; he even refused to condemn white supremacist groups, nor say he will accept the election result. Biden tried to keep his cool, but he couldn't get a word in at times. I thought Chris Wallace (Fox News) failed to keep Trump under control. What a mess.
https://youtu.be/yHFI8TsSKXY
The constitution only allows for 2 terms doesnt it?Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
The Two term limit is an amendment to the constitution and the President can ask the Senate to repeal it. Reagan wanted to. Trumps already said he wants to run for 14 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee
Another reason why the key senate elections are worth watching in November. Over and above the judiciary thing.
Hence the rush to appoint another SCOTUS judge.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
The issue is that in these modern times it doesn't require to be a big group. Whether it's through IT based terrorism (e.g. DDos attacks, hacking), 'lone wolves' (e.g. the guy who drove a car into a group of protesters in the States a few years back) or more, this is a potentially horrendous thing for Trump to stoke up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
He's a huge threat to the security of the United States.
I always watch the exchange odds to try and gauge who 'won' these exchanges, and Biden's odds have shortened in to around 3/5 from 4/5 a few weeks ago, so I guess the markets think he's doing ok. Still wouldn't be surprised to see Trump winning come November though.
I think I was a bit unclear in my earlier post. As others have mentioned, if Trump wins he's in theory restricted to 8 years but as others have pointed out, that can be changedQuote:
Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee
My point was actually if Trump loses. Normally a candidate will shuffle off, build their library, occasionally dip into politics and the party will rebuild and renew.
Trump isn't going anywhere if he loses. This is where his autocratic tendencies come in. He can run again in 2024. Does anyone think he'll walk away quietly? He's already said he won't concede.
There will be legal challenges, talk of a stolen election, and the Republicans are all abroad the Trump train. What are they going to do in this situation? He's built up a strong base of support, all politicians are behind him and he will not let the Republicans go. He's going to maintain control of the party as he's not allowed anyone else to have the spotlight - there is no other power in the party any more.
I think my point is even if he loses he and his supporters will be fomenting chaos and division for years to come.
He's already dropped it in to interviews, I couldn't find the original clip but there was mention and a clip of it on Frankie Boyles show a couple of years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
He has built up a base of support that isn't just rabid in their support, but armed to the ****ing teeth too. He has a militia of civilians who have already been seen on the streets of American cities.
Add to that he has already curated the idea that if he doesn't win it will be because of the corrupt postal ballot system, something that a lot of states will be using this year because of corona, and he has provided the means for his supporters to justify violence.
I think Trump is going to win again, but either way this will be very very ugly.
Trump will lose the popular vote, probably by more than the three million votes Clinton beat him by. His path to victory once again is the electoral college: a combined 80,000 vote victory in three swing states got him over the line in 2016. He has to hold them to win. He is already calling the election a fraud, before polling day. If it's close, things could get very ugly.Quote:
Originally Posted by McS****y
The number of major Democratic candidates for the nomination was the highest from any party in nearly fifty years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
I felt o’rourke would probably have been best placed to take him on but he made a complete mess of his campaign.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
I think Biden will get it done though but will only be a one term president and there will be challengers to Harris in 2024. And unless the Trump organisation collapses under massive legal pressure the they will be up against a Trump.
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The polls are showing the same. Biden only had an 83% chance of winning the other day but it's 87% now.Quote:
Originally Posted by McS****y
https://projects.economist.com/us-20...cast/president
You have to wonder how anyone who isn't white would vote for him after last night.
Why anyone who isn't a white supremacist would vote for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
You have to wonder how anyone who isn't stupid would vote for him, whether before or after last night. I know last time round Clinton referred to his support as deplorable and it backfired on her badly, but describing his core support as deplorable is pretty accurate, with the only real defence against that charge being a lack of intelligence to know any better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
What a democracy the USA is, they criticise other countries elections but they have a system where you poll less votes than your opponent but win the election. The electoral college should have been got rid of 50 years ago. Remember the Florida debacle a few years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
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Originally Posted by gbhibby
Americans think everything they do or the way they do it is the best way ever and can't possibly be done in a better/fairer/more sensible way. Everything they do/produce/act/operate is the best way. :rolleyes:
Our system has its faults as we do not have PR but that is another issue. I fear for the future of America if he gets in again. Biden is too old and should not have been chosen by the Democrats(not being Ageist). I think the Donald will probably get in again.Quote:
Originally Posted by McD
I'm sure Boris will disagree with that. He has world beating testing systems donchno.Quote:
Originally Posted by McD
In our country, we could end up with a Prime Minister whose party received fewer votes than another party.Quote:
Originally Posted by gbhibby
Its worth pointing out again the majority of Americans vote Democrat, 6 out of the last 7 presidential elections going back to the late 1980s, with the only exception being Dubyas second term in 2004, the Democrats have won the popular vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba