If Heart of Midlothian was a person you'd actually have them sent to rehab by a GP.
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If Heart of Midlothian was a person you'd actually have them sent to rehab by a GP.
I`m really worried though because according to Brokeback, because we have gone down the route of wage deferral, we will go to the wall before them.
Its been nice knowing you all (well, except for the git that i used to sit beside in the FF Lower who would criticise everything Lewis did, even to the point of blaming LS when he wasn`t on the pitch lol)
I'm not sure how you're calculating that, as this season hasn't finished yet, but even if true, they didn't have the lowest number of points over one full season...which is usually how relegation is decided.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kavinho
We will just start the club again and claim we still have the Scottish from 2016 so it's fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irish_Steve
I totally agree with that. I suppose it just depends how you interpret what is "fair" in a particular set of circumstances. It's not fair that they've been relegated without finishing bottom across a full season, but that doesn't mean it isn't the right thing to happen when the entire context is taken into account.Quote:
Originally Posted by bringbackbenny
Most maroon balloons in my life have had us going bust for decades and for no reason that stands up, meantime we've had the entertainment of the pre admin Hearts putting themselves into administration with the stigma of that quite incredible creditors list and all the chaos associated with their current owner blowing all that money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernian Verse
Do we need to say anymore?
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When you put it like that you just have to feel sorry for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Actually, nah.
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Originally Posted by Future17
IMO it’s harsh, but it’s not unfair.
Unfair would be relegating another team instead of Hearts, or denying Dundee Utd their promotion.
Everyone knew the rules when the season started. The team that finishes bottom of the Premier league goes down, and the club that finishes top of the Championship goes up. And the season is all but finished...
Unfair to me would be spending money you don't have on players to attain an unfair sporting advantage. Unfair to me is teams not paying taxes and bumping their creditors once in administration and finally the worst one, unfair is lying about your finances (going concern anyone?) until the end of a season to ensure a points deduction did not occur therefore, demoting another team.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
Spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrSmith
Saved me the effort.
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Dunfermline statement
http://www.dafc.co.uk/story.php?t=Ch...ment_&ID=11909
As most suspected by the Inverness CEO's tone on Sportsound, it was he who was the bully.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waxy
Wonder if Chuckys bitch English will be writing a story about this statement!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
Tom English would have to be King Theoden, or perhaps an uncredited orc.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
A side point, but I've been really impressed with how Hibs have conducted themselves during this whole affair. Particularly by the fact that we don't realse a statement every five minutes. We're probably in League 2 of the statement league, which highlights the professionalism of those behind the scenes in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by 007
The thing is you can only flog a dead horse for so long. Guys like Stewart have to realise they are paid to talk about Scottish football and in particular the top flight. If they piss off the top flight clubs and keep talking up a Championship club then they alienate themselves and whose going to be interested in their views. Fine go on sportsound when it’s a focus on the Championship and talk up Hearts then.
What a contrast between Dunfermline's straightforward response and the Inverness position which is really a series of cobbled together sections of discussions to attempt to meet a preconceived aim.Quote:
Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
There's a real stench of incompetence at best around their guy.
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The guy who forgot to order seats? Hard to believe.[emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
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ooft, take that mr caley bully boy, how embarrassing is thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Waxy
That is spot on, I would be worried if we were having to release utter nonsense every week, just shows how smooth and professional is run at Hibs, the only time we release something it is positive especially with the NHSQuote:
Originally Posted by HFC93
I'd like to see us posting "CLUB STATEMENT" on all media platforms with the contents a simple message that they hope the fans are staying safe & well during a pandemic which puts football into perspective.
Ultimate troll.
I'd always had a bit of respect for how Inverness got into the league and stayed there but how they managed to appoint this one is difficult to understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
He's either involved in some of the skulduggery or having his strings pulled.
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Also the nice touch of Hibs players and coaching staff phoning around to see how people are doing, what a club
Quite happy for us to say nothing.We dont have to. Just bring out positive things that only concerns us and our supporters. That’ll do me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernian Verse
If there are to be solidarity payments to the clubs that lose out financially due to the premature end of the season, should Hibs not get some too for losing 6th place?
As far as i can tell, Hibs are the only team to be penalised a place?
Clyde statement, im sure Tom English won't give this much attention
https://m.clydefc.co.uk/news/2020/05.../#.XrlNp1PTVkw
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Originally Posted by Peevemor
The repeated use of it backfired on them as the other clubs saw the hypocrisy of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barney McGrew
Think Stewart is close to Christophe so probably heard a few things.Quote:
Originally Posted by 007
Another well thought out reply, which again points out the self interest by the loudest protagonists.Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
About time some of the 80 odd per cent of clubs who voted yes spoke out.Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
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Originally Posted by Barney McGrew
The ones making the noise are of course, the losers!
Well done Clyde. 18 points clear of bottom place, 8 clear off the play offs yet they’d have been relegated.Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
And Hearts etc are claiming no club should be punished yet that’s what they think we should go with? I didn’t think it would be possible but I’m ten times happier they’re being relegated like this than if they’d just been ***** and finished bottom.
The Sportsound pundits at the weekend said they had a good idea about a week ago reconstruction would fall through. If Sportsound knew it then Budge should have had the savvy to know it too and should have sent her email round the clubs before the meeting.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
He's just a chancer who thought he could somehow get his club promoted despite being miles behind in the league and he is now being called out for what he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
What the ex-Hearts an Rangers guy? Surely not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Exactly and if asked by the Sportsound presenter, him and Michael Stewart would probably answer that there is no perfect solution for all clubs and that 14-14-14(or 16) was the one that impacted clubs the least.Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
Maybe robbo put a word in for him. Dirtiest team Hibs played last season imo. Miracle boyler didnt leave the ground on crutches.Quote:
Originally Posted by BH Hibs
Is he not supposed to be angling for a job at Sevco? Made for each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Seems the type for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Bully doesn’t get his own way so goes to daddy and complains about being bullied. Daddy throws his weight around like a prick, making all sorts of unfounded accusations and demanding an investigation, but only if it supports his view.
Sevco and the rest can p*** right off.
I think the time has come for her to hand it over to the mob. They will run things much better...Quote:
Originally Posted by Green_one
Good stuff from the Dunfermline chairman. Clubs like Inverness and Rangers have been allowed to spout whatever rubbish they wanted unchallenged for the past few weeks.
The Dunfermline Chairman has summed up exactly how I feel about it. Exasperated at these snivelling greetin faced clubs.
The sheer brass neck of Budge whining about "self interest" is really quite something.
On twitter
Aberdeen preparing to confirm their support for a Rangers resolution seeking an Independent Investigation into SPFL actions.
tbh, if the New Huns are footing the bill, I'm all in favour too.Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
No it's not that one, I got it sent on a voice clip on fb messenger. To the song celtic sing bye bye rangers. It's Absoloutely brilliant. Imagining a packed hibs support singing it!Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
If Hibs felt it was the thing to do then i’d happily go along with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
I’d end the season first though and make sure it really was independant.
Both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
The mice are begining to roar.Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
Budge would do well to ponder the wisdom of burning her bridges whilst afloat on a boat in a smelly creek sans paddles.
Yup.Quote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
Plus, if it wasn't about self-interest, now that reconstruction isn't happening, surely mention of the subject will be dropped altogether as will thoughts of taking further legal advice/action. What do you think chances of that happening are?
I'd send them to Switzerland for Dignitas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernian Verse
Hahaha there's always thatQuote:
Originally Posted by 007
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...is that after their wee visit to the Court of Arbitration in Sport in Lausanne, or instead of it?Quote:
Originally Posted by 007
That would be right up their street. They're used to not paying tax.Quote:
Originally Posted by 007
Dr Budgie on dangerous ground now as she knows legal action is a no no (in football/sport), however, the "wee cousins bereft of bus fares" collectively now demand she does exactly that!Quote:
Originally Posted by 007
Huge dilemma for her now allied to their finances it is reasonable to assume that she is not sleeping well.
Think she’s going to get out asap now.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibeerealist
Out of all the total roasters on manypointsback Ex member of the SaS has to take the biscuit this is what he posted an hour ago
"The thing is, it may not be required, if things come to a head then there will then be time for action. Clubs may well fold before we have to go down this route, BUT go down it we must if and when the time is right".
I have a feeling the leagues going to get calling tomorrow!
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I would imagine her family, close friends and trusted advisers are begging her to do just that ASAP!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Waxy
When are these people going to get it into their thick heads that every club will be ‘punished’ because of Covid-19. Indeed, virtually every business, every part of society and every individual - some to the extent of losing their lives.
Relegation will cost Hearts a lot of money because they have been an awful team for the last 15 months, had a succession of clueless managers for two years and a grossly incompetent Chief Executive for the last 4 years.
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Originally Posted by 147lothian
Just out of curiosity, is it a given that if a club goes bust then Hertz automatically take their place? I assume it would have to be a Premier league side but why would they get to take their place and not,say, second spot team from championship? They would,surely, have to be invited and they ain't made many friends of late. It may need a vote from the other clubs to endorse the invitation - that would be fun.
Partick Thistle have also called for an Inquiry. So far it seems to be mostly clubs that feel they're being hard done by.
FWIW, I'd happily support an Inquiry as well, as long as they declare the league finished first.
Once the league is called and they are relegated then they don’t get any preference.Quote:
Originally Posted by gloryhunter
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I can see the argument in favour of an inquiry (drawing a line under events) but I think that's naive optimism. I also think its independence would be called into question if The Rangers alone were to pay for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
The biggest stumbling block for me though is that The Rangers have recently proven they can't be trusted with a duty of confidentiality - why should any Club, or the organisation as a whole, trust them further with information which may be commercially sensitive? I suspect it would also be a major turn-off for potential sponsors of both the leagues and the clubs.
I’ve a feeling it’s all going to go tits up tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldo
Biggest reason not to have an inquiry is that there is no evidence of wrong doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
Biggest reason to have one is that the governance of the game is poor overall.
Voting for the resolution tomorrow is not the way forward because the inquiry proposed is to narrow in scope and there is no evidence to back up any of the claims.
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If a club goes into administration (and assuming the league has been called), that club will get a 15 point penalty next season in the Premiership.Quote:
Originally Posted by gloryhunter
If the league hasn't been called, the penalty kicks in immediately, and Hearts might escape.
If a club stops trading, then again timing is important. If the league hasn't been called, I'd expect every other club in the entire SPFL to shuffle up; Hearts would escape and United would be in the Premiership. How they decide who comes in to the bottom league... :confused:
If the league has been called, it would be anyone's guess. I don't think the rules cover that, but "invitations" don't apply in the SPFL (unlike the previous SPL/SFL situation.)
In what way?Quote:
Originally Posted by 90+2
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Originally Posted by Future17
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50958324
Here's one article that looks at the calendar year of 2019, added to what we know of the Stendel reign in 2020
"In fact, their record is - by a distance - the worst of any club who have spent the entire year in the division. Only Ross County and Dundee, who each only played half a season after swapping places in the summer, have accumulated fewer top-tier points."
38 played, 28 points earned. 9 points worse than anyone else (Hamilton).
Relegation form, absolutely unequivocally.
I’d love St. Mirren to do a pre pack admin the day after the league is called and take a 15 point penalty next season when it is no benefit to Hearts. Then claw back the 15 points to catch Hamilton and defeat Hearts in next seasons play off.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
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Have they blamed Carole Baskin yet?
Hahahaha image the meltdown in GorgieQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Hahaha, should cover them all fish oilQuote:
Originally Posted by rossevenil
Resignations accusations fights demands the whole shebang. If they get 15-20 clubs to support this investigation I can’t see that being it all finished that’s for sure, especially when it’s now evident clubs can do and say what they like against anyone and get away with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoboHarry
Don’t worry about the independent inquiry. If it happens it happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by 90+2
Just remember the votes already been cast and their fate has been decided. It’s only a matter of time!
Have a bit of confidence!
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How many millions of pounds have been gifted to Hearts by fans and mystery benefactors? It must easily be more than £10 million in the past few years. If that kind of money had been donated to the likes of Hamiliton or St Mirren I would expect those clubs to use the cash wisely, primarily to secure their longterm future. Hearts threw their dosh at the likes of glass curtains and Malaury Martin. With the finance gifted to them they should be in a better position than any other club to cope with the impact of the pandemic. The fact they are struggling more than any other club highlights the gross financial mismanagement.
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I thought there was new rule that takes account of the Covid:19 crisis that means no club will be deducted 15 points of that is the reason for their administration.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
You might be right. It's passed me by if so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy7nil
Better news then :aok:
Edit. I've tried to find something that says so, but haven't so far. Any clues as to when this was decided?
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Originally Posted by Sammy7nil
Yes I think that’s the case.
Going by Hearts record of spending money they will end up hiring Lionel Hutz to take on the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Estupendo
I think it was talked about but nothing has been passed. Getting any vote through the spfl is a major operation these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
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Looks like the Pars will be another team not benefiting from the mythical maroon pound!
Again, not disagreeing with that, but nobody ever got relegated based on form. That's also not a season and a half - I get that's semantics though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kavinho
To me, the argument that the outcome of a season can be determined after 30 matches of a 38-match season is similar to saying the outcome of a game could be called at 79 minutes...and I'd have hated that to have happened in May 2016. :greengrin
Whilst it’s easy to draw a comparison on historical results, you can’t really compare an existing pandemic to a historical game. It could be argued that this years Scottish Cup has been prematurely ended with us having the possibility of winning the cup again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
Shirley, in the spirit of fairness (that our pink chums are banging the drum over) the team second in the Championship would secure that spot as they are next in line taking account of sporting ....whatever????Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Do we have a seconder for this motion, actually I sincerely hope that it IS in the rules?
On this basis Hertz would need 10 clubs to go co co before they qualified to come up to the SPL.
GGTTH
All their crap about boycotting is just emotional knee-jerking. Once the muppets realise that their support at matches, both home and away, is needed, if they are going to stand any chance of securing results which will bounce them back to the big boys’ league, they will change their tune. Support for their team is more important than filling the coffers of away opponents. Ars****es.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irish_Steve
If only the season had been called one game early in 1986 you might’ve been happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
I've maybe misunderstood your point, but mine was that you can't know the outcome of a sporting contest with 20% of it left to go, irrespective of what has occurred in the first 80%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibby Kay-Yay
There's loads of examples (including in the context of football relegation) where applying that method would have produced a different outcome to what actually transpired.
Easy now! :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
You can in cricket if you use the Lewis Duckworth method. Applying that to football, Hearts are down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
Force majeure is written in the rules concerning going into admin; so no penalty will be appliedQuote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
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But we've never applied such a method to football and it doesn't work in this scenario.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Works fine for me. Worst reason for not doing something is because we have never done it before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
Cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ko Ko Joe
But is there a case for saying that, for Hearts ( and, perhaps other clubs) insolvency had less to do with CV than abject financial management? In which case FM doesn't apply.
Please say yes.
Lol that I don't know but what will be interesting is when does FM stop and abject failure begin. I would imagine that any clubs facing admin will be safe up until we can see fans back in grounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
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Any maroon pounds kicking around spare will need to be stuffed into the hearts big red coo for the foreseeable future I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irish_Steve
They do seem to have a liking for inserting their small change into defenceless farmyard animals so it should go well.
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I think that there's always been mention of "Force Majeure" in the SPFL regulations regarding insolvency events, I genuinely cannot see the SPFL enforcing the 15 point penalty on anyone under the current circumstances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy7nil
"E7 A Club may, on the grounds set out in Rule E8, appeal to an Appeal Tribunal against a deduction of points in terms of Rules E1 to E4 (inclusive).
E8 The only grounds on which a Club may appeal in terms of Rule E7 are that:
E8.1 it, or, as the case may be, its owner and operator and/or a Group Undertaking of such owner and operator, has not taken, suffered or been subject to a Deductible Insolvency Event;
E8.2 Rule E4 did not apply and any deductions of points in terms of Rules E2 or E3 should be 15 points and 5 points and not 25 points and 15 points respectively; and/or
E8.3 the Deductible Insolvency Event, which resulted in the points deduction or deductions against which the appeal is made, arose as a result of a Force Majeure Event."
"E14 An Appeal Tribunal shall have power to:-
E14.1 confirm any deduction of points in terms of Rules E1 to E4 inclusive;
E14.2 set aside any deduction of points in terms of Rules E1 to E4 inclusive and, where it determines that there has been a Force Majeure Event substitute a deduction of such lower number of points as it shall consider appropriate; or
E14.3 set aside any deduction of points in terms of Rules E1 to E4 inclusive. "
"Force Majeure Event is an event, which is determined by an Appeal Tribunal to have been unforeseeable and unavoidable; "
The clubs would have to have documentation and evidence that they wouldn't have gone into administration if it wasn't for Covid 19. I'd hope that the appeal tribunal would be able to differentiate between a genuine force majeure reason and a club trying to pull a fast one to shed some expensive players contracts before relegation to a lower division...
Please don't guys, It'll only end up with Mrs doctor Budge's task force recommending everyone plays cricket next season and see if Hearts can finish better than bottom at that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
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