Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Do you just have a feeling we are not spending money wisely or any examples?


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A mixture of both. I specifically don't know where the money came from for the Investment Bank and am questioning in the current climate if this money could have been spent in other under resourced areas where we have Devolved responsibility.

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Originally Posted by Keith_M

Could we maybe have another thread arguing about Scotland's efficient/pathetic/underfunded/well-funded Border Force and Quarantine Checks?


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I would say questions around quarantine checks are very relevant to the subject matter of the thread.

Especially when this discussion was started by a reference to a country that got its quarantine/border checks spot on early on in this pandemic and is now largely back to normal.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

I would say questions around quarantine checks are very relevant to the subject matter of the thread.

Especially when this discussion was started by a reference to a country that got its quarantine/border checks spot on early on in this pandemic and is now largely back to normal.

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Oh they absolutely are but clearly some will spend that debate doing everything and anything to deflect any potential blame on the SG response.

We don’t have the money

We don’t have borrowing powers

It’s all down to the ‘English variant’ (and make sure you call it this at every possible opportunity in a rather Trumpesque way)

We don’t have the power or authority

We have a land border with England


At the same time we can ignore the fact that the SG has admitted it’s missed it own targets on this and ignore that they did seem to have a desire and funding to complete at least some checks.

Then finally you can chuck out any thought of being pragmatic in having a view of suggesting that the authorities of all colours and shades in the UK and Scotland simply haven’t done enough in this area by discussing what could have done better and where by making sure you turn it into a constitutional debate instead.

After all of that you don’t get much valuable debate around the actual subject at hand I’m afraid.

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Originally Posted by PaulSmith

I wonder if other European citizens are blaming their neighbouring countries as as much as I’ve read in this thread.

The time to reflect back on what worked and what didn’t work will form part of any inquiry. We’re a matter of weeks away from breaking the back of this wretched virus via protecting the most vulnerable and then the wider population shortly afterward.

Dominic Rabb saying that it’s hoped to lift some restrictions early March, the picture will look much much better by then.

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Independent countries able to make their own decisions within EU. Nah thats not possible.

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Originally Posted by RyeSloan

Oh they absolutely are but clearly some will spend that debate doing everything and anything to deflect any potential blame on the SG response.

We don’t have the money

We don’t have borrowing powers

It’s all down to the ‘English variant’ (and make sure you call it this at every possible opportunity in a rather Trumpesque way)

We don’t have the power or authority

We have a land border with England


At the same time we can ignore the fact that the SG has admitted it’s missed it own targets on this and ignore that they did seem to have a desire and funding to complete at least some checks.

Then finally you can chuck out any thought of being pragmatic in having a view of suggesting that the authorities of all colours and shades in the UK and Scotland simply haven’t done enough in this area by discussing what could have done better and where by making sure you turn it into a constitutional debate instead.

After all of that you don’t get much valuable debate around the actual subject at hand I’m afraid.

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Yeah I broadly agree with that.

I just see this kind of platform as an online version of a pub (remember them?) where people start off talking about a certain topic and then the conversation naturally veers in a particular direction, especially at times when there's not much happening with the original topic (which tends to happen at 11am on a Sunday).

There just seems to be a fixation (not just on this thread) with "staying on topic" with some people which I've never fully understood but each to their own I suppose.

Don't worry folks we'll definitely be back to being fully on topic again shortly after 2pm. :greengrin

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Originally Posted by RyeSloan

Oh they absolutely are but clearly some will spend that debate doing everything and anything to deflect any potential blame on the SG response.

We don’t have the money

We don’t have borrowing powers

It’s all down to the ‘English variant’ (and make sure you call it this at every possible opportunity in a rather Trumpesque way)

We don’t have the power or authority

We have a land border with England


At the same time we can ignore the fact that the SG has admitted it’s missed it own targets on this and ignore that they did seem to have a desire and funding to complete at least some checks.

Then finally you can chuck out any thought of being pragmatic in having a view of suggesting that the authorities of all colours and shades in the UK and Scotland simply haven’t done enough in this area by discussing what could have done better and where by making sure you turn it into a constitutional debate instead.

After all of that you don’t get much valuable debate around the actual subject at hand I’m afraid.

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Spot on, re: your last sentence, that's the reason I'm bailing on this topic.

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Originally Posted by PaulSmith

I wonder if other European citizens are blaming their neighbouring countries as as much as I’ve read in this thread.

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I doubt it

That form of union allows much greater control for each country within it

Unfortunately for us, the union we are part of barely recognises we are a country

Thanks for highlighting this [emoji106]

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

Doesn't help if someone comes in to Heathrow then catches a train to Edinburgh.

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There's a big empty hotel that they could quarantine in, with direct access from waverly Station

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Originally Posted by tamig

Thats tragic and I really feel for the old boy. Hopefully he can get through it. There’s been too many similar stories though and it shouldn’t be happening.

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My aunty is being allowed to visit him at the hospital, it's not looking too good unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by PaulSmith

I wonder if other European citizens are blaming their neighbouring countries as as much as I’ve read in this thread.

The time to reflect back on what worked and what didn’t work will form part of any inquiry. We’re a matter of weeks away from breaking the back of this wretched virus via protecting the most vulnerable and then the wider population shortly afterward.

Dominic Rabb saying that it’s hoped to lift some restrictions early March, the picture will look much much better by then.

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Bit of a daft comment ... how many are governed by said neighbours.

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Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY

My aunty is being allowed to visit him at the hospital, it's not looking too good unfortunately.

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Really sad to hear HH. Hope your auntie does everything she can to stay safe. Good luck to her and fingers crossed the old boy can turn it around yet. 🤞

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

There's a big empty hotel that they could quarantine in, with direct access from waverly Station

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Any attempt at controlling quarantine for new arrivals from abroad has to be done at the port of entry and at UK level. Once people travelling in from the rest UK or rest of the world start spilling off trains at Waverly or Glasgow Central Station it's too late and not practical. If we want to quarantine new arrivals from abroad then do it at the point of entry into the UK, anything else is pointless and a waste of resources.

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Originally Posted by tamig

Really sad to hear HH. Hope your auntie does everything she can to stay safe. Good luck to her and fingers crossed the old boy can turn it around yet. 🤞

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Cheers, lets hope so.

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Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY

My aunty is being allowed to visit him at the hospital, it's not looking too good unfortunately.

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Sorry to hear that HH.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

I posted this earlier this morning, I'd be pretty upset reading that if I was one of the 37,000 Australians who are currently abroad and have been unable to get home due to quotas on international arrivals.

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Apparently the elite tennis players (ie Nadal, Djokovic etc) were for some reason allowed to fly into Adelaide (with a personal entourage of at least ten) instead of Melbourne and thus able to train normally, while those now confined to their hotel rooms in Melbourne (who weren't allowed to bring a team of more than two staff) can't train for a fortnight. The tournament's a joke all round.

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Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY

My aunty is being allowed to visit him at the hospital, it's not looking too good unfortunately.

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Hope everything works out ok mate, you’ve had a horrible time of it lately

Daily Scottish update;

1,341 new cases since yesterday - 9.5% positivity rate
Increase of 25 in the confirmed cases in hospital
Increase of 2 in the confirmed cases in intensive care
No deaths registered since yesterday

Does anyone know if PTs are allowed to operate at the moment?

I was out a run today and passed a guy who was quite clearly coaching someone outdoors using kettlebells, resistance bands and the like. I've also got a friend who posted about a PT session on Instagram and in the picture she was outdoors rather than at home/in a garage/in a garden.

I'm not interested in grassing anyone up, I'm just curious.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Daily Scottish update;

1,341 new cases since yesterday - 9.5% positivity rate
Increase of 25 in the confirmed cases in hospital
Increase of 2 in the confirmed cases in intensive care
No deaths registered since yesterday

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Along with the 7 days figures on the tableau site, things are going in the right direction.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Daily Scottish update;

1,341 new cases since yesterday - 9.5% positivity rate
Increase of 25 in the confirmed cases in hospital
Increase of 2 in the confirmed cases in intensive care
No deaths registered since yesterday

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I know it’s a Sunday but that’s a bit better with the new cases, hopefully by this time next week we start to see the hospital numbers reducing.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

Does anyone know if PTs are allowed to operate at the moment?

I was out a run today and passed a guy who was quite clearly coaching someone outdoors using kettlebells, resistance bands and the like. I've also got a friend who posted about a PT session on Instagram and in the picture she was outdoors rather than at home/in a garage/in a garden.

I'm not interested in grassing anyone up, I'm just curious.

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Yeah seems to be ok.

I'd imagine it meets the two adults from two households rule for exercise - providing they maintain a 2 metres' distance.

https://www.cimspa.co.uk/cimspa-news...%20activities.

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Originally Posted by Del Boy

I know it’s a Sunday but that’s a bit better with the new cases, hopefully by this time next week we start to see the hospital numbers reducing.

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It's the lowest daily case total for around 3 weeks.

Breakdown of today's cases by council area;

Glasgow - 276
North Lanarkshire - 134
South Lanarkshire - 90
Fife - 75
Edinburgh - 66
Aberdeen - 61
Aberdeenshire - 55
Dumfries and Galloway - 48
North Ayrshire - 45
Falkirk - 44
South Ayrshire - 43
Renfrewshire - 43
East Ayrshire - 37
Dundee - 35
Highland - 34
East Dunbartonshire - 30
West Lothian - 28
Perth and Kinross - 25
East Renfrewshire - 20
Inverclyde - 17
East Lothian - 17
West Dunbartonshire - 16
Clackmannanshire - 15
Stirling - 14
Moray - 14
Scottish Borders - 10
Angus - 9
Midlothian - 7
Argyll and Bute - 4
Shetland - 3

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Originally Posted by RyeSloan

Oh they absolutely are but clearly some will spend that debate doing everything and anything to deflect any potential blame on the SG response.

We don’t have the money

We don’t have borrowing powers

It’s all down to the ‘English variant’ (and make sure you call it this at every possible opportunity in a rather Trumpesque way)

We don’t have the power or authority

We have a land border with England


At the same time we can ignore the fact that the SG has admitted it’s missed it own targets on this and ignore that they did seem to have a desire and funding to complete at least some checks.

Then finally you can chuck out any thought of being pragmatic in having a view of suggesting that the authorities of all colours and shades in the UK and Scotland simply haven’t done enough in this area by discussing what could have done better and where by making sure you turn it into a constitutional debate instead.

After all of that you don’t get much valuable debate around the actual subject at hand I’m afraid.

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And don't forget the SG (Sturgeon in particular) studiously avoiding reference to the 'Oxford' part of the Oxford/Astrazeneca vaccine, lest its success be implied to be of 'UK' origin :wink:

As for those references to the 'English variant' (whose actual country of origin remains uncertain), you don't need to imagine the reaction from those of an SNP persuasion if it happened to have been first identified in Scotland and started being referred to by some as the 'Scottish variant'...

Your final paragraph is spot on :aok:

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Originally Posted by G B Young

And don't forget the SG (Sturgeon in particular) studiously avoiding reference to the 'Oxford' part of the Oxford/Astrazeneca vaccine, lest its success be implied to be of 'UK' origin :wink:

As for those references to the 'English variant' (whose actual country of origin remains uncertain), you don't need to imagine the reaction from those of an SNP persuasion if it happened to have been first identified in Scotland and started being referred to by some as the 'Scottish variant'...

Your final paragraph is spot on :aok:

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I get the impression Ireland are raging at the English variant. It was spread by people arriving in the North via England.

On another note, a cursory check at arrivals and departures at Edinburgh Airport today and you can still fly all over Europe. I just don't understand how that is being allowed to continue.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

Does anyone know if PTs are allowed to operate at the moment?

I was out a run today and passed a guy who was quite clearly coaching someone outdoors using kettlebells, resistance bands and the like. I've also got a friend who posted about a PT session on Instagram and in the picture she was outdoors rather than at home/in a garage/in a garden.

I'm not interested in grassing anyone up, I'm just curious.

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Couple of people I know are still doing outdoor sessions so guessing the answer is yes but not entirely sure

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Originally Posted by G B Young

And don't forget the SG (Sturgeon in particular) studiously avoiding reference to the 'Oxford' part of the Oxford/Astrazeneca vaccine, lest its success be implied to be of 'UK' origin :wink:

As for those references to the 'English variant' (whose actual country of origin remains uncertain), you don't need to imagine the reaction from those of an SNP persuasion if it happened to have been first identified in Scotland and started being referred to by some as the 'Scottish variant'...

Your final paragraph is spot on :aok:

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Can't quite pin that naming convention down.... maybe she's just copying everyone else, including Bo Jo on the BBC news at the very beginning before his pals tiold him to Politicise something that shouldnt be anywhere near politics :dunno:

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Originally Posted by G B Young

And don't forget the SG (Sturgeon in particular) studiously avoiding reference to the 'Oxford' part of the Oxford/Astrazeneca vaccine, lest its success be implied to be of 'UK' origin :wink:

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All the packaging for it describes it as the Astra Zeneca vaccine, Oxford doesn’t appear on it - so you could quite as easily say it’s the U.K. government is adding the Oxford reference to imply U.K. success for it :cb

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Originally Posted by EI255

I get the impression Ireland are raging at the English variant. It was spread by people arriving in the North via England.

On another note, a cursory check at arrivals and departures at Edinburgh Airport today and you can still fly all over Europe. I just don't understand how that is being allowed to continue.

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Agreed, I just don't get why there's so much travel seemingly allowed just now.

As an aside "the English variant" folks are talking about, is it not just that scientists here discovered it 1st? I'm sure I read at the time there was evidence of it in at least 4 or 5 different countries.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Breakdown of today's cases by council area;

Glasgow - 276
North Lanarkshire - 134
South Lanarkshire - 90
Fife - 75
Edinburgh - 66
Aberdeen - 61
Aberdeenshire - 55
Dumfries and Galloway - 48
North Ayrshire - 45
Falkirk - 44
South Ayrshire - 43
Renfrewshire - 43
East Ayrshire - 37
Dundee - 35
Highland - 34
East Dunbartonshire - 30
West Lothian - 28
Perth and Kinross - 25
East Renfrewshire - 20
Inverclyde - 17
East Lothian - 17
West Dunbartonshire - 16
Clackmannanshire - 15
Stirling - 14
Moray - 14
Scottish Borders - 10
Angus - 9
Midlothian - 7
Argyll and Bute - 4
Shetland - 3

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Glasgow and surrounding areas still seem to be the areas of Scotland that are particularly problematic.