(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

https://twitter.com/someknew/status/...491206657?s=21

For anyone not feeling very clever this morning, this should sort you out.


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Well, no, go to any meeting of people who support Johnson or Brexit and you'll get the same level of person as on this video.

Unfortunately, the worst politicians for the people have now realised that to win power you don't need to convince the people who know what they're talking about, but instead sway the stupidest people in the country to blame people different to them in terms of colour, gender, sexuality, country of origin and say that they'll sort that out.

Has anyone watched Succession on Sky?

Makes me think of the Trumps

Surprised if that's not what it's based on

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

Has anyone watched Succession on Sky?

Makes me think of the Trumps

Surprised if that's not what it's based on

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It’s based fairly accurately on the murdochs.


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https://youtu.be/r5p80ulfvXk

It's almost impressive that such a charlatan as Trump has been able to so consistently lie and blunder his way through a presidency by simply making stuff up and dismissing evidence against him as fake.

How have we got to a point where that can happen?

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Originally Posted by matty_f

It's almost impressive that such a charlatan as Trump has been able to so consistently lie and blunder his way through a presidency by simply making stuff up and dismissing evidence against him as fake.

How have we got to a point where that can happen?

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The political divide has got so vicious and entrenched in the US that I doubt that even 1% of Trump supporters care if he stole from the IRS. I bet they think It’s a sign of ingenuity on his part. Supporting Trump has become existential, he could do anything and it wouldn’t be as bad as the various bogeymen he’s created in the minds of the Trump voters.

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Originally Posted by matty_f

It's almost impressive that such a charlatan as Trump has been able to so consistently lie and blunder his way through a presidency by simply making stuff up and dismissing evidence against him as fake.

How have we got to a point where that can happen?

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Severe underfunding of public education; a culture of anti-intellectualism; enormous right wing media presence, especially on talk radio, which millions listen to; demonisation of anything progressive; political system bought by billionaires; the growth and power of the evangelical right, which is really an arm of the Republican party; growing economic distress which has made people susceptible to demagogues.

So many factors feeding into the creation of someone like Trump.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

https://twitter.com/someknew/status/...491206657?s=21

For anyone not feeling very clever this morning, this should sort you out.


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That’s absolutely hilarious and rather terrifying at the same time!

What’s even worse is, for the life of me, I cannot understand what Trump has done to deserve such adulation / unquestionable following, it’s genuinely quite staggering.

I feel this is worth a look if you want a more balanced assessment of The Donald...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhDz8xMXU8s

(Does he perchance support The Rangers?)

If the tax returns exclusive in the NYT is “fake news” then all he has to do to prove it is to release them, surely?

Not an effin chance of that happening.

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Originally Posted by Higgo

If the tax returns exclusive in the NYT is “fake news” then all he has to do to prove it is to release them, surely?

Not an effin chance of that happening.

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Or he could sue the NYT for libel, which would mean all the documents being released in court. Let's see if he litigates...

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Originally Posted by Higgo

If the tax returns exclusive in the NYT is “fake news” then all he has to do to prove it is to release them, surely?

Not an effin chance of that happening.

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Cant

In audit. (still)

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

Cant

In audit. (still)

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Even if they are under audit (which IRS won’t confirm either way) there’s nothing to stop him releasing them.

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Originally Posted by Hibs Class

Even if they are under audit (which IRS won’t confirm either way) there’s nothing to stop him releasing them.

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Yeah there is

You are forgetting SLEEPY JOE! and FAKE NEWS!!

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Anybody else watching the Presidential ‘debate’?Trump is being Trump and just disrupting proceedings but it’s working. Biden is struggling to land any sort of blow.

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Originally Posted by marinello59

Anybody else watching the Presidential ‘debate’?Trump is being Trump and just disrupting proceedings but it’s working. Biden is struggling to land any sort of blow.

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Didn't watch it but from what I've seen of Biden I remain baffled he's the best the Democrats could come up with after four years.

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Originally Posted by marinello59

Anybody else watching the Presidential ‘debate’?Trump is being Trump and just disrupting proceedings but it’s working. Biden is struggling to land any sort of blow.

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It was just a mess. I'm not sure what Biden can do really. He either let's Trump talk over him and shows he's weak or stands up to him and is accused of stooping to Trump's level.

I'm not sure what the point is in another 2 of these. The moderator needs to be much, much firmer and if necessary, cut the mic of someone if they refuse to follow the process.

The whole thing was a shocking indictment of what America has become under Trump.

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Originally Posted by G B Young

Didn't watch it but from what I've seen of Biden I remain baffled he's the best the Democrats could come up with after four years.

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He's a safe, middle of the road candidate. I'm not his biggest fan but he'll provide a bit of stability and experience in office after the last 4 years.

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Originally Posted by marinello59

Anybody else watching the Presidential ‘debate’?Trump is being Trump and just disrupting proceedings but it’s working. Biden is struggling to land any sort of blow.

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I thought Trump actually played into Bidens hands a bit. All the chat has been that Biden would crack under the pressure of debate and show he was toiling cognitively. Trump constantly interrupting and cutting him off essentially stopped him saying anything that could have been used as a stick to beat him. The nasty dismissal of Bidens sons military service won't have gone down well with some of the floating voters either. Essentially saying I don't know who your dead son is and I don't care either isn't a good look.

If it was a football match I'd call it a scrappy 1-0 for Biden thanks to a defensive error.

Lasted about 20 minutes. Whenever Biden was allowed time to put an answer together he did pretty well. Trump said absolutely nothing of substance.

1-0 Biden.

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Originally Posted by neil7908

The whole thing was a shocking indictment of what America has become under Trump.

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Trump's in a tricky position. Go to jail or conflagrate the US? :hmmm:

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Originally Posted by G B Young

Didn't watch it but from what I've seen of Biden I remain baffled he's the best the Democrats could come up with after four years.

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He is a terrible candidate. He was very lucky last night. Trumps constant interruptions allowed him to gather his thoughts before he bumbled by saying something he shouldn’t.
Still, another two nights like last night and he should be home free. He just has to avoid errors and last night he did it.


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Originally Posted by HibernianJK

Trump said absolutely nothing of substance.
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Disagree. His inability to condemn white supremacist groups is playing to his supporters and says a lot about his tactics for the months ahead, I don’t know if he’s looking to mobilise them or what.

The man wants civil war if he loses. It’s horrific.

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

Disagree. His inability to condemn white supremacist groups is playing to his supporters and says a lot about his tactics for the months ahead, I don’t know if he’s looking to mobilise them or what.

The man wants civil war if he loses. It’s horrific.

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Richard Wolffe just pointing out his response to the question about the far right and the Proud boys. Not only did he ‘not condemn’ the far right, he explicitly said ‘they should stand down and stand by’. Really astonishing we’re at this place. The media hasn’t headlined it, maybe because it’s so impossible to engage with.

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

Richard Wolffe just pointing out his response to the question about the far right and the Proud boys. Not only did he ‘not condemn’ the far right, he explicitly said ‘they should stand down and stand by’. Really astonishing we’re at this place. The media hasn’t headlined it, maybe because it’s so impossible to engage with.

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How big is this group? Where is their base?

Does he think they are his Sturmabteilung?

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Originally Posted by marinello59

Anybody else watching the Presidential ‘debate’?Trump is being Trump and just disrupting proceedings but it’s working. Biden is struggling to land any sort of blow.

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JB doesn’t need to do anything in the debates orher than have no catastrophic **** ups. Trump trails by 7%-ish and has done all year.

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

JB doesn’t need to do anything in the debates orher than have no catastrophic **** ups. Trump trails by 7%-ish and has done all year.

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Whether that's a big lead depends on where the 7% lives, though, because of the ****ed up Electoral College system.

I don’t think any of them won, both men just confirmed. what their supporters already knew. Neither man did enough to win over a sizeable number of undecided voters. Trump will have upset some with his attack on Biden’s son and his refusal to condemn white supremacist groups but the American public have seen it all before, it no longer shocks. If that sort of behaviour hasn’t already alienated floating voters then it isn’t go to do so now.

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

Whether that's a big lead depends on where the 7% lives, though, because of the ****ed up Electoral College system.

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True. But he’s ahead in almost all the battleground states as well.

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Originally Posted by marinello59

I don’t think any of them won, both men just confirmed. what their supporters already knew. Neither man did enough to win over a sizeable number of undecided voters. Trump will have upset some with his attack on Biden’s son and his refusal to condemn white supremacist groups but the American public have seen it all before, it no longer shocks. If that sort of behaviour hasn’t already alienated floating voters then it isn’t go to do so now.

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I don’t think there are many floating voters out there. Trump has a solid base but anti-Trump is just as solid on the other side. He has had a -ve approval rating for all but the first 2 weeks of his presidency. That’s unprecedented.