Summer 2021-22 transfer thread

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Originally Posted by HFC93

The thing is we're in pretty good shape going in to that game. We haven't lost anyone of significance plus we have Mallan, Allan and Gullan back. I would rather we wait to bring the the right 2-3 players in that will improve us.

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Anyone hearing Porteous to Besiktas? Heard it’s happening from someone just now

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Originally Posted by HFC93

The thing is we're in pretty good shape going in to that game. We haven't lost anyone of significance plus we have Mallan, Allan and Gullan back. I would rather we wait to bring the the right 2-3 players in that will improve us.

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Good enough for more falling at the final hurdle. But if we want to actually, you know, maybe win cup finals and consistently get 3rd place finishes we need better.

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Originally Posted by HFC93

The thing is we're in pretty good shape going in to that game. We haven't lost anyone of significance plus we have Mallan, Allan and Gullan back. I would rather we wait to bring the the right 2-3 players in that will improve us.

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Very true I was meaning more should we lose either or both of Porto or Nisbet in the next 3 weeks

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Originally Posted by Gorebridge Hibb

Anyone hearing Porteous to Besiktas? Heard it’s happening from someone just now

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Lot of posts about it earlier.

Seems to be a lot of Turkish Twitter pages reporting it. Nothing being said by our media though.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Oagwibble

Good enough for more falling at the final hurdle. But if we want to actually, you know, maybe win cup finals and consistently get 3rd place finishes we need better.

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Which is why it is important to get good players in but not necessarily in the next 3 weeks.

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

Doidge is out of contract next summer, so depends if he wants to stay up here longer
Any idea if his family is in Scotland with him

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Not sure he is married.

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Originally Posted by Smartie

All of which is true and I fully accept from a business point of view, and I realise how important doing good business is from a Hibs point of view. As a fan though I’m all about success on the park.

Last season though was, in my opinion a missed opportunity to do a bit better on the field rather than a roaring success, albeit we weren’t far away. When it comes down to our old favourite “fine margins” we need our best players to be focussed and giving us their best. I don’t think we got that during the second half of the season from some of our better players. That’s why I’m probably quite comfortable with the idea of losing a couple of than I possibly should be, and having a big pile of money to replace them.

I guess we’re weighing up the increase in the amount of money likely generated in these 2 players between January and now with the hypothetical improvement we’d have had with them not playing and someone else in.

And I don’t think we have a hope in hell of these players being interested in playing for Hibs in future, until maybe they’ve gone down South or West and failed and need to rebuild again.

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Weren’t the bids very late on though? Who’s to say we could’ve replaced them easily? They still played a part in our run in and had we sold them, along with the negativity that would’ve brought, who’s to say how the season would’ve ended up.

January is an awful time to sell players under contract, especially when your not under pressure to do so. It would’ve resulted in us raking around in desperation to find a replacement. It would’ve been a huge gamble.

Rumours on Celtic social media of a deal for Nisbet 2.5m and 15% sell on, don’t know why we’re accepting less now than in January sounds like wishful thinking on their part

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Originally Posted by stantonsboots

I agree, I like Nisbet but I think Doidge is the better all round player?
get as much as we can for Nisbet and invest it in players who want to be here!

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Doidge has grown on me, especially because of his work rate and tracking back, but he is a bit unco at times. Nisbet is by far the better finisher, he's more skillful, and has better poise, balance and movement. He can make what he does look easy or casual whereas Doidge often looks awkward or lucky. Of the two, Nisbet is by far the more likely to be able to play at a higher level.

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Originally Posted by Dmas

Rumours on Celtic social media of a deal for Nisbet 2.5m and 15% sell on, don’t know why we’re accepting less now than in January sounds like wishful thinking on their part

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I’d ignore them.

Putting 2 & 2 together and making up a fee me thinks

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Originally Posted by Stuart93

I’d ignore them.

Putting 2 & 2 together and making up a fee me thinks

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Correct

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Originally Posted by Stuart93

I’d ignore them.

Putting 2 & 2 together and making up a fee me thinks

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At our recent cup final do in Blackpool I had the misfortune to sit next to a gobby Celtic fan who expressed his disappointment at probably losing Eduardo. I told him he was coming to Hibs I thought he was going to have a heart attack his eyes were bulging out of his head.

For anyone interested…..

There was an excellent article a few months back (sorry can’t remember who by) with potential replacements from across europe for Nisbet if he left.

One of them was Pierre Van Hooijdonks boy who was leaving NAC Breda this summer, anyway we can strike him off the list (that never really existed) as he’s joining Bologna.

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Originally Posted by bingo70

For anyone interested…..

There was an excellent article a few months back (sorry can’t remember who by) with potential replacements from across europe for Nisbet if he left.

One of them was Pierre Van Hooijdonks boy who was leaving NAC Breda this summer, anyway we can strike him off the list (that never really existed) as he’s joining Bologna.

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Byron Hutchison on twitter

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Originally Posted by Greenbeard

Doidge has grown on me, especially because of his work rate and tracking back, but he is a bit unco at times. Nisbet is by far the better finisher, he's more skillful, and has better poise, balance and movement. He can make what he does look easy or casual whereas Doidge often looks awkward or lucky. Of the two, Nisbet is by far the more likely to be able to play at a higher level.

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A bit overplayed that I think.

Nothing very special about Nisbet’s all round play or finishing.

Doidge scored more in less games in his first season with us. Overall there isn’t much in it scoring rate wise if you average out Doidge’s 2 seasons.

Add to that Doidge contributes hugely to the team in his general play. Not sure Nisbet does.

If I had to choose one of them to keep it would be Doidge every time.

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Not sure he is married.

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Not married, got a girlfriend from Edinburgh though. Think it was from her Instagram story that the infamous ‘champagne’ video after the final was taken from though so she may not be the girlfriend anymore :greengrin

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Originally Posted by hhibs

I think it unlikely that any Celtic board would give Hibs the best deal for any of our players ,far better sell down South with sell on clause where we gain more.IMO

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Sorry I was making a general statement Was t suggesting we should sell to them


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Originally Posted by Andy74

A bit overplayed that I think.

Nothing very special about Nisbet’s all round play or finishing.

Doidge scored more in less games in his first season with us. Overall there isn’t much in it scoring rate wise if you average out Doidge’s 2 seasons.

Add to that Doidge contributes hugely to the team in his general play. Not sure Nisbet does.

If I had to choose one of them to keep it would be Doidge every time.

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His finishing is superb and miles better than Doidges.

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

His finishing is superb and miles better than Doidges.

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That’s just a meaningless comment.

Nisbet’s scoring rate is a tiny fraction ahead of Doidge’s. It remains to be seen if he’d keep that going. Doidge has 2 seasons to average out and his first season he scored at a better rate than Nisbet did this year.

Doidge probably got goal of the season too.

So in what ways does Nisbet’s ‘miles better’ finishing play out?

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Originally Posted by Andy74

A bit overplayed that I think.

Nothing very special about Nisbet’s all round play or finishing.

Doidge scored more in less games in his first season with us. Overall there isn’t much in it scoring rate wise if you average out Doidge’s 2 seasons.

Add to that Doidge contributes hugely to the team in his general play. Not sure Nisbet does.

If I had to choose one of them to keep it would be Doidge every time.

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It's not just about scoring rate though is it. And if there was a non-scoring rate ie misses, I'd expect Doidge to be a good bit ahead, even more so if there was a sclaff rate (including his seemingly square head).

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Originally Posted by Andy74

That’s just a meaningless comment.

Nisbet’s scoring rate is a tiny fraction ahead of Doidge’s. It remains to be seen if he’d keep that going. Doidge has 2 seasons to average out and his first season he scored at a better rate than Nisbet did this year.

Doidge probably got goal of the season too.

So in what ways does Nisbet’s ‘miles better’ finishing play out?

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It's not just about scoring rate though is it....etc.

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Originally Posted by Greenbeard

It's not just about scoring rate though is it. And if there was a non-scoring rate ie misses, I'd expect Doidge to be a good bit ahead, even more so if there was a sclaff rate (including his seemingly square head).

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Nisbet misses a lot too. People’s perception’s at play if scoring rates over a season or in Doidge’s case 2 full seasons isn’t relevant.

If it isn’t just about scoring rate then Doidge becomes much more important than Nisbet.

Square head? Aye, very good. One of the best headers of a ball we’ve had.

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Originally Posted by Andy74

That’s just a meaningless comment.

Nisbet’s scoring rate is a tiny fraction ahead of Doidge’s. It remains to be seen if he’d keep that going. Doidge has 2 seasons to average out and his first season he scored at a better rate than Nisbet did this year.

Doidge probably got goal of the season too.

So in what ways does Nisbet’s ‘miles better’ finishing play out?

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You're emphasising scoring stats Andy. Let's concentrate on league games only, that's a more valid comparison.
Christian, 1st season, 7 goals in 36 games, 29 starts
Kevin, 1st season, 14 goals in 33 games, 28 starts.
There's how Nisbet's 'miles better finishing plays out. His scoring stats are more than twice better than CD's It's also why there's lots of interest in signing Nisbet & none, that we're aware of, in signing Christian. I like Doidge but IMO he's well behind Kevin in all aspects of his game with the possible exception of heading.

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Originally Posted by brog

You're emphasising scoring stats Andy. Let's concentrate on league games only, that's a more valid comparison.
Christian, 1st season, 7 goals in 36 games, 29 starts
Kevin, 1st season, 14 goals in 33 games, 28 starts.
There's how Nisbet's 'miles better finishing plays out. His scoring stats are more than twice better than CD's It's also why there's lots of interest in signing Nisbet & none, that we're aware of, in signing Christian. I like Doidge but IMO he's well behind Kevin in all aspects of his game with the possible exception of heading.

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Not sure you’re stats are right as we only played 30 games in Doidge’s first season but I agree with your point. Nisbet is a far better player and I’m not even his biggest fan. There is a reason he go for a seven figure fee. Doidge scored half his goals against lower league teams last year, league return was very poor.

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Originally Posted by brog

You're emphasising scoring stats Andy. Let's concentrate on league games only, that's a more valid comparison.
Christian, 1st season, 7 goals in 36 games, 29 starts
Kevin, 1st season, 14 goals in 33 games, 28 starts.
There's how Nisbet's 'miles better finishing plays out. His scoring stats are more than twice better than CD's It's also why there's lots of interest in signing Nisbet & none, that we're aware of, in signing Christian. I like Doidge but IMO he's well behind Kevin in all aspects of his game with the possible exception of heading.

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Doidge scored 12 in 28 league games in his 1st season at the club

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Originally Posted by brog

You're emphasising scoring stats Andy. Let's concentrate on league games only, that's a more valid comparison.
Christian, 1st season, 7 goals in 36 games, 29 starts
Kevin, 1st season, 14 goals in 33 games, 28 starts.
There's how Nisbet's 'miles better finishing plays out. His scoring stats are more than twice better than CD's It's also why there's lots of interest in signing Nisbet & none, that we're aware of, in signing Christian. I like Doidge but IMO he's well behind Kevin in all aspects of his game with the possible exception of heading.

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Hibs website has Doidge scoring 19 goals in 39 games in his 1st season. Pretty sure he didn't score 12 goals in 3 games beyond the 36 you mention...

Doidge is by no means a silky player but he does a lot of hold up play and is the first Hibs striker I can remember for a while who I genuinely thought was dangerous from crossed balls.

Nisbet is overrated; I'm glad, I hope we can profit from this but he is far from being miles better than Doidge. People can like or dislike John Collins but his comments about Nisbet were sort of right. Unlike Doidge, Nisbet could play a whole match and be anonymous, he doesn't chase back as much, doesn't hold the ball up as well and doesn't win as many headers. He has better technique than Doidge but he is far from being Riordan in that regard. O'Connor was a better finisher than Nisbet.

Nisbet's technique and finishing are summed up by some of his snatched half-volley/volleys where he regularly catches it on the wrong part of his foot and sends it wide. He isn't a cultured finisher. He has potential so maybe one day he will be.

Nisbet is a decent player at our level, he has potential but his inflated opinion of his ability and 6month stays at clubs before seeking the next pay check seems to be infectious - everyone thinks he is the next big thing and the ability of his strike partner seems to be dwindling in his shadow.

Doidge and Nisbet are at a similar level to me - both have their strengths and weaknesses. Neither are brilliant strikers of the ball but can score goals fairly routinely and, now and then, some are well struck.

I think both could go this summer.

PSG signing Donnarumma, Hakimi, Wijnaldum and potentially Ramos. They won’t stop until they get that CL.

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Originally Posted by Magpie

PSG signing Donnarumma, Hakimi, Wijnaldum and potentially Ramos. They won’t stop until they get that CL.

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Will be funny when they lose in the knockout round. :agree:

Doidge wants to be here nisbet doesn't let him go I'm sure we will replace him have done it before will do it again.

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Originally Posted by Andy74

A bit overplayed that I think.

Nothing very special about Nisbet’s all round play or finishing.

Doidge scored more in less games in his first season with us. Overall there isn’t much in it scoring rate wise if you average out Doidge’s 2 seasons.

Add to that Doidge contributes hugely to the team in his general play. Not sure Nisbet does.

If I had to choose one of them to keep it would be Doidge every time.

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Of course you’d keep Doidge as Nisbet is going to fetch millions more than him. Nisbet contributes to the team as a whole, he drops deep, his touch brings others into the team, he’s far more of a ‘footballer’ than Doidge is (who I also really like).