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I don't think Ngannou has a chance, just incase it came off that way, but I'd like him too, albeit it would take a miracle.

I just think it's a bit boring seeing MMA fighters take on top level boxers in boxing all the time, it'll never be a different result as some have said, I don't mind over the hill guys doing it but Fury needed to fight Usyk, and from all reports it seems he's the one that blew up the deal.

I'd only like to see fury vs Francis in MMA because I can't stand Fury and would have loved to see him step in and get smashed. Again, would never happen but would rather see it that way around than boxing.

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Originally Posted by cameronw-hfc

I don't think Ngannou has a chance, just incase it came off that way, but I'd like him too, albeit it would take a miracle.

I just think it's a bit boring seeing MMA fighters take on top level boxers in boxing all the time, it'll never be a different result as some have said, I don't mind over the hill guys doing it but Fury needed to fight Usyk, and from all reports it seems he's the one that blew up the deal.

I'd only like to see fury vs Francis in MMA because I can't stand Fury and would have loved to see him step in and get smashed. Again, would never happen but would rather see it that way around than boxing.

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I think the corporations need some blame too. WBC have just said they will allow it as an exhibition and Fury's belt not affected, ridiculous. That's the problem with 4+ belts they all want champions. At least in UFC no one can duck and the fighters mostly take on the best, yes it has snags like Connor getting big fights at any weight he wants without going up ladder. It's becoming a joke in boxing the big fighters not fighting or fighting when past their best.

If fury ducks Usyk this winter I can see his reputation being damaged. No lose fight for Ngannou and his biggest payday, so you can't blame him

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

I think the corporations need some blame too. WBC have just said they will allow it as an exhibition and Fury's belt not affected, ridiculous. That's the problem with 4+ belts they all want champions. At least in UFC no one can duck and the fighters mostly take on the best, yes it has snags like Connor getting big fights at any weight he wants without going up ladder. It's becoming a joke in boxing the big fighters not fighting or fighting when past their best.

If fury ducks Usyk this winter I can see his reputation being damaged. No lose fight for Ngannou and his biggest payday, so you can't blame him

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Taking on an exhibition match against an unranked fighter has already damaged his reputation

Be as well just watching a replay of Rocky v Thunderlips

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

I think the corporations need some blame too. WBC have just said they will allow it as an exhibition and Fury's belt not affected, ridiculous. That's the problem with 4+ belts they all want champions. At least in UFC no one can duck and the fighters mostly take on the best, yes it has snags like Connor getting big fights at any weight he wants without going up ladder. It's becoming a joke in boxing the big fighters not fighting or fighting when past their best.

If fury ducks Usyk this winter I can see his reputation being damaged. No lose fight for Ngannou and his biggest payday, so you can't blame him

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I have no idea what goes on in boxing anymore, you get strange discrepancies between the different governing bodies, like Zhang not being in the WBA IBF and WBC top ten, yet he's the Interim champion for the WBO belt held by Usyk.

I sense that Fury has maybe had enough. The fights v Wilder must have been incredibly damaging and maybe he doesn't fancy another war with a serious contender. As a boxing fan, I would have loved to see him and Usyk in the ring, I doubt it will ever happen.

The irony is that for all the top guys, fighting each other carries massive risk. They're all looking for the big payday, which will likely involve fighting Fury. Defeat v a decent fighter would jeopardise that.

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I have no idea what goes on in boxing anymore, you get strange discrepancies between the different governing bodies, like Zhang not being in the WBA IBF and WBC top ten, yet he's the Interim champion for the WBO belt held by Usyk.

I sense that Fury has maybe had enough. The fights v Wilder must have been incredibly damaging and maybe he doesn't fancy another war with a serious contender. As a boxing fan, I would have loved to see him and Usyk in the ring, I doubt it will ever happen.

The irony is that for all the top guys, fighting each other carries massive risk. They're all looking for the big payday, which will likely involve fighting Fury. Defeat v a decent fighter would jeopardise that.

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It used to be the case that one sanctioning body wouldn't rank the champion of another unless they were also their champion.

Looking at the current rankings I think it's still the case. Fury isn't ranked in the top 15 by the WBA or IBF and Usyk isn't in the WBCs top 15. It's all a bit daft and devalues rather than elevates the respective championships.

I always think that is why The Ring belt is so coveted. Their current heavyweight rankings are:

Champion -Usyk
1 - Fury
2 - Wilder
3 - Joshua
4 - Zhang
5 - Ruiz
6 - Whyte

There are probably some arguments to be had but they at least acknowledge the respective champions and it makes a degree of sense.

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

I think the corporations need some blame too. WBC have just said they will allow it as an exhibition and Fury's belt not affected, ridiculous. That's the problem with 4+ belts they all want champions. At least in UFC no one can duck and the fighters mostly take on the best, yes it has snags like Connor getting big fights at any weight he wants without going up ladder. It's becoming a joke in boxing the big fighters not fighting or fighting when past their best.

If fury ducks Usyk this winter I can see his reputation being damaged. No lose fight for Ngannou and his biggest payday, so you can't blame him

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In fairness the UFC in recent years is as bad as boxing. The guys who get the shots are who the promoter likes, meaning a lot of the 'real'fights people want don't get made.

Boxing is the opposite as in promoters clashing etc but still same outcome, big fights don't get made for whatever reason.

For a supposed all time great HW, fury has a very, very poor resume. If he doesn't fight Usyk soon it'll be a slight against his own career. Everyone knows it's Usyk, but Fury will do Fury and play the big man demanding unreasonable things and blame Usyk for not accepting, even though Usyk accepted every time Fury changed the terms.

Ngannou Fury competitively is a mismatch, and as an MMA 'purist' of sorts you could call me I'm not for it, bu5 I recognise we will probably never have the linear boxing champion vs the linear UFC champ ever fight again during their prime, so I do see that side of the argument.

The real fight this year imo is Spence vs Crawford.

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

I have no idea what goes on in boxing anymore, you get strange discrepancies between the different governing bodies, like Zhang not being in the WBA IBF and WBC top ten, yet he's the Interim champion for the WBO belt held by Usyk.

I sense that Fury has maybe had enough. The fights v Wilder must have been incredibly damaging and maybe he doesn't fancy another war with a serious contender. As a boxing fan, I would have loved to see him and Usyk in the ring, I doubt it will ever happen.

The irony is that for all the top guys, fighting each other carries massive risk. They're all looking for the big payday, which will likely involve fighting Fury. Defeat v a decent fighter would jeopardise that.

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I’m far from Warrens biggest fan. And his defensiveness here says it all to me. And admits it’s not about pairing with the best boxers, but making the most money

https://twitter.com/talksport/status...S2WtDOFfqS0zFA


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Fair play to Ngannou he's reportedly getting $10 million for the fight, double what he's made in his ufc career. I'm sure it'll make good numbers as I'll probably watch it out of curiosity myself

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

Fair play to Ngannou he's reportedly getting $10 million for the fight, double what he's made in his ufc career. I'm sure it'll make good numbers as I'll probably watch it out of curiosity myself

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That's his base rate, or rumoured. It's not even including the PPV, huge bag for him.


Btw, he confirmed it is not an exhibition, its a professional boxing match, just without the belts on the line.

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Originally Posted by cameronw-hfc

That's his base rate, or rumoured. It's not even including the PPV, huge bag for him.


Btw, he confirmed it is not an exhibition, its a professional boxing match, just without the belts on the line.

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I though Frank Warren had said it wasn't going on furys record so must be an exhibition surely

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Originally Posted by Allant1981

I though Frank Warren had said it wasn't going on furys record so must be an exhibition surely

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Ngannou was on the Helwani show, listened to it last night and unless he's wrong he explicitly stated it is a pro boxing match that will go on their records, the only thing different is it's a non title fight.

Was a good interview, but he outright said it and he's not usually known for much talk at all, usually when he talks, it's 100%, or at least as far as he's aware and I doubt he'd be kept in the dark.

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Originally Posted by cameronw-hfc

Ngannou was on the Helwani show, listened to it last night and unless he's wrong he explicitly stated it is a pro boxing match that will go on their records, the only thing different is it's a non title fight.

Was a good interview, but he outright said it and he's not usually known for much talk at all, usually when he talks, it's 100%, or at least as far as he's aware and I doubt he'd be kept in the dark.

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It may well be, I had listened to Frank Warren get interviewed when the fight was announced and thought he said it wasn't going on his record but I may have picked it up wrong, either way I can't see it being much of a contest, will really depend on how fury treats it I think

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It may well be, I had listened to Frank Warren get interviewed when the fight was announced and thought he said it wasn't going on his record but I may have picked it up wrong, either way I can't see it being much of a contest, will really depend on how fury treats it I think

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Same here. As an MMA fan mainly, I'll cling onto the impossible scenario that Ngannou clips him, even if I know it's never going to happen😂

Lee Mcgregor fighting at Meadowbank tonight. Channel 5 from 10pm

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Lee Mcgregor fighting at Meadowbank tonight. Channel 5 from 10pm

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What a shocking commentary and pundit input that was, McGregor was badly beaten in that fight. It wasn’t even close.

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What a shocking commentary and pundit input that was, McGregor was badly beaten in that fight. It wasn’t even close.

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I watched the fight in Malones, with no sound. I thought Lee was miles behind yet before the 12th he was still 1/3 with the bookies. I stuck a few quid on the Mexican at 2/1…..paid for my night out last night.

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I watched the fight in Malones, with no sound. I thought Lee was miles behind yet before the 12th he was still 1/3 with the bookies. I stuck a few quid on the Mexican at 2/1…..paid for my night out last night.

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Wished I'd had the commentary down - and the Gorgie music backdrop was nauseating :rolleyes:

Love it when the monster fights in Japan, makes it easy to watch on my lunch break

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Love it when the monster fights in Japan, makes it easy to watch on my lunch break

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Great eh ha. Totally one sided so far

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

Great eh ha. Totally one sided so far

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And it's all over, Fulton is no mug, Inoue is just special

Wow. 4 weight champion. One of the best ever already

A frightening talent. Not a single better boxer in the world p4p.

I remember doing a piece on him before the first Nonito fight and getting slated for saying he's going to be one of the greats, he's getting better evert week.

My favourite boxer by a mile and its easy to see why.

Absolute beast.

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Originally Posted by cameronw-hfc

A frightening talent. Not a single better boxer in the world p4p.

I remember doing a piece on him before the first Nonito fight and getting slated for saying he's going to be one of the greats, he's getting better evert week.

My favourite boxer by a mile and its easy to see why.

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Got a link?

I was about 5 rows from the front when Inoue KOd Rodriguez at the Hydro a few years back. He was absolutely ferocious and has never looked back since. A phenomenal boxer.

Was at that night also. He was already p4p top 10 by that time, but it was wild to see the precision up close. Absolutely surgical punching.

Wouldn’t put it past him coming up the divisions further and coming back to the UK. Leigh Wood he would surely fancy his chances against at Feather, they’ve sparred before

I was there that night too. Inoue was tremendous.

Spence Jr vs Crawford scheduled for 5am. Should be a cracker. Crawford edging it with the bookies

I'll catch the highlights over my morning coffee, gone are the days I'll stay up till that time waiting for the main event

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Got a link?

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Unfortunately the site had an update and lost everything before a certain date when they changed servers! I'll have it in my drafts somewhere I can try dig out.