:faf: It's been coming out since before he was elected.Quote:
Originally Posted by EAZY-ME
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:faf: It's been coming out since before he was elected.Quote:
Originally Posted by EAZY-ME
The claims about Trump calling the war dead 'losers' would have more weight if they weren't anonymous.
I'm in no way saying that he didn't say it, but I'm not sure I feel comfortable taking something as serious as this at face value, with no evidence and no one willing to come out publicly and say they heard him say it.
There's enough stupid things that he definitely did say that we can judge him on already.
That's easy, because he lies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/04/politics/fact-check-trump-mccain-loser-veterans-choice/index.html
Of course it's not. Those that first provided the story want to damage Trump and have waited for what they consider to be the best moment to do that. That doesn't apply to those who have since confirmed it to be true though.Quote:
Originally Posted by EAZY-ME
Good post ... and you are right he opens his gob and says the daftest things but i seriously doubt he said that about the war heroes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
Eh? :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
It doesn’t though. This sort of stuff has been coming out constantly for the last 4 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by EAZY-ME
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When multiple different news agencies with competing agendas are all verifying it with 4 different sources then you can say with a fair degree of confidence that it happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
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Explain the logic behind this sentenceQuote:
Originally Posted by EAZY-ME
:agree: The McCain being captured chat started in 2015.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
The only reports I've seen so far have been attributed to 'anonymous' sources.
If they've been reported differently anywhere, I must have missed it but would be happy to be provided with a source, or the names of the people (not a dig at anyone, i promise :-) )
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
As I've already written, while these sources remain anonymous or no evidence is provided to prove it, I'm going to go with the 'innocent until proven guilty' approach.
This is all too similar to the 'Jeremy Corbyn Is An Anti-Semite' stuff we've witnessed in the media for months, and I found that very disturbing.
The Guardian, for instance, seem to have an editorial policy of including the phrase 'anti-semitism' in every single article that mentions Corbyn's name and were determined to smear him at every opportunity.
And just for removal of any doubt, I have no fondness whatsoever for Trump or Corbyn.
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Originally Posted by Keith_M
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54034707
I know it's the BBC, but it's reported that Fox and PA have corroborated the story from various sources.
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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Cheers, I'll have a read at that
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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/27/politics/rnc-night-four-fact-check/index.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
A wee bit of fact check goes a long way.
https://twitter.com/aravosis/status/...904202756?s=21
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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/04/politics/trump-france-memorial-cemetery-visit-fact-check/index.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Yep, full fact check.
Being anti racist is apparently anti American.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...box=1599295117
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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/04/politics/trump-administration-memo-race-training-ban/index.html
Yep
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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
First off, they made a damn good effort to annihilate the Native American population.
They then claimed to be a country open to everyone looking for a new life... until the Irish, Jews or anyone else that didn't meet the criteria arrived on their shores.
Then large swathes of the country tried to ensure that public transportation, workplaces, restaurants, sports clubs... even the military... kept the inferior Black people well away from the obviously superior Whites.
They've since built up amazing scare stories about Mexicans and others of a Hispanic background, and have recently added Muslims as the 'bogey man'
Let's face it, extreme prejudice is what made America great!
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/...mpression=true
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You're constant agreeing with and defence of Trump is noted. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
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Even though they are still trying to claim he never said it they are at the same time making excuses for why he did say it.[emoji23]
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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
You've caught me, I'm a 100% Trumpian
:greengrin
So in defending something that they claim still happened he’s made himself out to be an even bigger **** than if he just apologised?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
He’s gonna win this election.
He’s def not going to win this election. I don’t really gamble but I’m thinking of having a bet on Biden. I can’t see how he loses from here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
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I’ll be pleasantly surprised if he doesn’t.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Wait till the Russian bots get going...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
He'd have been better going with the more straightforward "I never did it and I won't do it again". :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
The odd thing about Trump is that the more outrageous he becomes the more some of his supporters or those who seek to defend him rally round him and buy into the ridiculous notion that he is a perpetual victim.
Leaving aside the potential illegal acts he has committed there are numerous incidents, that could be called faux pas if we were being kind, that would have finished him politically in normal times:
1. The whole pussy grabbing episode and the 'locker room' explanation in lieu of an apology.
2. Mocking the military career of an elder statesman within his own party.
3. Mocking a disabled reporter and openly impersonating him in a pejorative manner during a speech.
4.Politicising a traditionally apolitical speech to a group of scouts and using it to massage his own ego.
5. Sacking Rex Tillerson on Twitter.
6. Sharing multiple videos from Britain First on Twitter.
7. The entirety of longest government shutdown in US history.
8. Being a major exponent of the birther conspiracy.
9. His treatment of Khizr and Ghazala Khan.
10. Referencing Pocahontas when talking about Elizabeth Warren.
10 points will probably do for now. Even for those well to the right on the political spectrum, who may be willing to dismiss being offended about mocking women, Muslims and disabled people as the preserve of 'snowflakes' I question how they can see Trump as a man who embodies traditional conservative values. His wilful abuse of the Christian faith for his own ends, his attitude towards NATO, his veneration of dictators, his lack of formality and sense of duty, his dismissive and hostile attitude to traditional US allies and his disdain for the constitution are all completely at odds with that ideology. I question how anyone who calls themselves a Christian, a conservative or a patriot (all things many Americans hold dear) can support or vote for Trump in good conscience.
That's an interesting viewpoint you hold there.Quote:
Originally Posted by EAZY-ME
So, because many people disagree with you, you think they're all the same person? :crazy: