Jake Doyle-Hayes

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Originally Posted by matty_f

Where are you getting that from?

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I cannot divulge my sources Matty.

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Originally Posted by Springbank

With his playing performances since 2021 (poor) and his taking a club to court antics (red flag) I don't see there being any queue of clubs wanting to sign Jake Doyle Hayes, and the culprit is one man, who goes by the name of Jake Doyle Hayes.

Career over, and it's all his own fault (with special mention to those advising him badly)

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He’s got a club.

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Originally Posted by andrew70

That’s what you believe.

They actively stood in his way though. Strange way to conduct themselves.

There’s also the fact that there has been huge changes at football and business level in the aftermath of all this but yes it’s all JDH’s fault.

Good luck to him.

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could you elaborate on this point please? As far as I knew, Hibs accepted an offer, which would imply they were happy/prepared for JDH to leave?

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Originally Posted by Brightside

As others have pointed out there was many examples around that time.

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Could you also elaborate on this? I don’t remember anything, albeit I’m far from itk.


Thanks both

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Originally Posted by andrew70

I certainly trust what I’ve been told. Couldn’t be much closer to the horses mouth yes. Anyway I hope he gets what he deserves.

Between Youan, JDH and others this place is brutal. Hopefully these guys never read the nonsense spouted about them on here.

Zero respect for anyone’s mental health that’s for sure.

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What exactly is it that you think he deserves? A year's salary? £1m?

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Originally Posted by matty_f

“These injuries should never have happened and were incurred due to incompetent and incoherent decisions made by his manager. Jake’s career has been derailed by mismanagement and ineptitude.

“A career has been lost to this athlete. We will get him compensation.”

I think you’re stretching to take it to general working practices, the article in the EEN that this quote is taken to says the case is around decisions relating to the tackle and injury, not wider incompetence.

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If JDH was subject to bullying or mistreatment he would have had disciplinary options available to him at the time.

Can't wait to see how he claims his career has been lost due to this mismanagement. Embarassing affair for him.

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Originally Posted by andrew70

Your guess is as good as mine. A couple of times JDH had very good offers and wanted to leave, only due to issues with staff I must say.

He has never spoke badly about the club as a whole but personnel especially were ignoring the human element to him and a few others.

Thankfully the dirt has been washed out this is merely the residue that deserves better treatment.

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He was under contract to Hibs. If we didn't want him to leave, it's really a non issue.

Not that anyone else is going to believe that he had very good offers and Hibs blocked this, to be fair. Strange that these lucrative offers weren't available this year, when he became a free agent.

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Originally Posted by Tyler Durden

What exactly is it that you think he deserves? A year's salary? £1m?

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That’s not for me to decide but as I say well paying options for him were blocked. He’s entitled to look for what he wants.

It is far from embarrassing, for him anyway.

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Originally Posted by andrew70

That’s not for me to decide but as I say well paying options for him were blocked. He’s entitled to look for what he wants.

It is far from embarrassing, for him anyway.

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Nothing untoward there from any employer though, is it? He's under contract, that only changes with the agreement of both parties.

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Originally Posted by andrew70

Your guess is as good as mine. A couple of times JDH had very good offers and wanted to leave, only due to issues with staff I must say.

He has never spoke badly about the club as a whole but personnel especially were ignoring the human element to him and a few others.

Thankfully the dirt has been washed out this is merely the residue that deserves better treatment.

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I know from someone that he had an offer to go to Italy about 2.5 years ago and he chose not to go. Same with the Forest Green offer. Hibs weren’t standing in his way to leave, although it may have been required to have suited them as well which we’re well within our right when he’s under contract.

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Originally Posted by Centre Hawf

I know from someone that he had an offer to go to Italy about 2.5 years ago and he chose not to go. Same with the Forest Green offer. Hibs weren’t standing in his way to leave, although it may have been required to have suited them as well which we’re well within our right when he’s under contract.

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Yeah that’s the two, thereafter Hibs let him down spectacularly.

He certainly never “chose not to go”

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Originally Posted by andrew70

Yeah that’s the two, thereafter Hibs let him down spectacularly.

He certainly never “chose not to go”

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He was under contract so if Hibs didn’t want to let him go somewhere then so be it. He signed the contract in the first place.

It makes little sense to me as to why Hibs would want to block a player contributing next to nothing from leaving though.

There's been talk of certain players causing dressing room unrest, could it well be that JDH and possibly Youan are 2 of those said players and we were happy for them to go. Youan got injured so that transfer fell through and JDH knocked back 2, both players then struggle for game time as it's clear they're unwanted, this scenario is very common in football. Is he using the injury as an excuse because he feels hard done by?

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

He was under contract so if Hibs didn’t want to let him go somewhere then so be it. He signed the contract in the first place.

It makes little sense to me as to why Hibs would want to block a player contributing next to nothing from leaving though.

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You’d need to ask the higher management that but it happened.

He did the sign the contract and was very happy at the club. He couldn’t foresee what happened. It’s absolutely no surprise that Hibs have acted accordingly to get their ducks in order since.

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Originally Posted by J-C

There's been talk of certain players causing dressing room unrest, could it well be that JDH and possibly Youan are 2 of those said players and we were happy for them to go. Youan got injured so that transfer fell through and JDH knocked back 2, both players then struggle for game time as it's clear they're unwanted, this scenario is very common in football. Is he using the injury as an excuse because he feels hard done by?

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My word. This place.

Both definitely not “unwanted” by Gray anyway. Derby comeback for JDH and Youan is still widely accepted as a huge talent by the club and acknowledged as a good egg who works very hard in the dressing room by Gray himself.

The “unrest” has disapated but to blame the dressing room is wholly untrue and given the togetherness of all players involved throughout this season it’s bizarre to say otherwise.

JDH was very unfairly treated by the club, Youan has been disgracefully treated by certain elements too.

On this crazy unrest idea, I am out.

Good luck to JDH.

If JDH has an issue with bullying or poor treatment, and its backed up and evidenced then he certainly has a case - if so, I hope he wins this.

However, it seems that some people are suggesting that the player has been "held back" and not allowed to go and sign for whoever they want - while under contract.

Regardless of how good or bad a player he was, its tin foil hat stuff for him or his advisers to include "not being allowed to leave Hibs" while under contract to Hibs as part of this.

If that was the case, then the corollary is that football clubs can just stop paying injured players - which is equally as ludicrous a suggestion.

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Originally Posted by andrew70

You’d need to ask the higher management that but it happened.

He did the sign the contract and was very happy at the club. He couldn’t foresee what happened. It’s absolutely no surprise that Hibs have acted accordingly to get their ducks in order since.

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So he was very happy at the club, the club didn’t let him go (which they’re entitled to), and now he’s taking the club to court due to mistreatment?

Doesn’t make much sense

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Originally Posted by andrew70

My word. This place.

Both definitely not “unwanted” by Gray anyway. Derby comeback for JDH and Youan is still widely accepted as a huge talent by the club and acknowledged as a good egg who works very hard in the dressing room by Gray himself.

The “unrest” has disapated but to blame the dressing room is wholly untrue and given the togetherness of all players involved throughout this season it’s bizarre to say otherwise.

JDH was very unfairly treated by the club, Youan has been disgracefully treated by certain elements too.

On this crazy unrest idea, I am out.

Good luck to JDH.

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Derby comeback and never to be seen again

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Originally Posted by andrew70

My word. This place.

Both definitely not “unwanted” by Gray anyway. Derby comeback for JDH and Youan is still widely accepted as a huge talent by the club and acknowledged as a good egg who works very hard in the dressing room by Gray himself.

The “unrest” has disapated but to blame the dressing room is wholly untrue and given the togetherness of all players involved throughout this season it’s bizarre to say otherwise.

JDH was very unfairly treated by the club, Youan has been disgracefully treated by certain elements too.

On this crazy unrest idea, I am out.

Good luck to JDH.

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You posting that JDH was very unfairly treated, without any substance is not really any better than wild speculation about him being a trouble maker. Is it?

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Originally Posted by andrew70

You’d need to ask the higher management that but it happened.

He did the sign the contract and was very happy at the club. He couldn’t foresee what happened. It’s absolutely no surprise that Hibs have acted accordingly to get their ducks in order since.

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Sorry, but I don't believe this is the case. There's no logic behind Hibs standing in the way of an unwanted player moving on.

You also allude to Youan being treated poorly by the club. My only thoughts on that are that the club declined a transfer fee that didn't match their valuation of the player. Tough luck on that one for Youan. If he had been smarter , there would have been a release trigger in his contract.

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Originally Posted by BoomtownHibees

So he was very happy at the club, the club didn’t let him go (which they’re entitled to), and now he’s taking the club to court due to mistreatment?

Doesn’t make much sense

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It doesn’t make sense because it’s not true.

Hibs were happy to let him go to FGR. JDH didn’t want to go. It’s that simple.

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Originally Posted by Tyler Durden

If JDH was subject to bullying or mistreatment he would have had disciplinary options available to him at the time.

Can't wait to see how he claims his career has been lost due to this mismanagement. Embarassing affair for him.

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I don’t know if that’s in the allegations and other than what’s been reported I don’t know any detail of the case - as far as I know there’s very little in the public domain about it and I would imagine when there’s a legal case involved that both sides will be trying to maintain as much confidentiality as possible.

I don’t really have a side on this one, I want to see people treated fairly by the club and people treat the club fairly, Hibs will (i presume) have insurance for this sort of scenario and so the impact on the club won’t be massive regardless.

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Originally Posted by andrew70

My word. This place.

Both definitely not “unwanted” by Gray anyway. Derby comeback for JDH and Youan is still widely accepted as a huge talent by the club and acknowledged as a good egg who works very hard in the dressing room by Gray himself.

The “unrest” has disapated but to blame the dressing room is wholly untrue and given the togetherness of all players involved throughout this season it’s bizarre to say otherwise.

JDH was very unfairly treated by the club, Youan has been disgracefully treated by certain elements too.

On this crazy unrest idea, I am out.

Good luck to JDH.

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You see us normal punter on here who don't have this so called in the know info we have just got assumptions and heresay to go on, we are told there's a very good team spirit at the club now which wasn't there previously. You keep mentioning JDH being unfairly treated by the club but never mention what that unfair treatment was and was it by the club or an official at the club (ex manager).

So until we get any more details from either you, the club or JDH, we'll all still speculate as to what it's all about.

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Originally Posted by J-C

You see us normal punter on here who don't have this so called in the know info we have just got assumptions and heresay to go on, we are told there's a very good team spirit at the club now which wasn't there previously. You keep mentioning JDH being unfairly treated by the club but never mention what that unfair treatment was and was it by the club or an official at the club (ex manager).

So until we get any more details from either you, the club or JDH, we'll all still speculate as to what it's all about.

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Assuming JDH was a bad apple tho is done without any foundation at all.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

Agreeing to it doesn't necessarily mean he was paid off.

He could have said to Hibs that Sligo were interested but couldn't afford a fee so Hibs agreed to release him from his contract so he could sign for them, get a bit security going forward and play again. An old fashioned free transfer if you like.

Similar happened when we signed Darren McGregor. Rangers wanted him to go to Dundee or St Johnstone, he said no, they asked where he wanted to go, he said Hibs, they said we can't sell you to Hibs right now so he agreed to be released from his contract and signed for Hibs as a free agent a couple of days later. I doubt Rangers paid up his contract in such a scenario.

Of course as you say JDH would have had to agree to all that but that doesn't seem to be his case. It's that without the injury his earning potential was higher than Sligo Rovers.

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Interesting on the McGregor stuff. Why couldn't rangers sell to us?

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Originally Posted by Speedy

Interesting on the McGregor stuff. Why couldn't rangers sell to us?

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Cos we were in the same league as them so direct rivals and had just stopped Scott Allan moving there.


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Originally Posted by Brightside

Assuming JDH was a bad apple tho is done without any foundation at all.

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I'm just trying to work out what any mis treatment of him was and why, we were told he was free from injury for a while but was no where near the 1st team, why? Because there's no details about any mistreatment, we will all speculate, it's only natural on a fans website. I was told under Johnson that the dressing room atmosphere was pretty bad, Gray and the players have went a long way to sort that out and as we seen at the start of the season, certain players were shipped out either on loan or permanently, JDH being one of them in January.

How was JDH unfairly treated? Because we wouldn’t sell him?

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Originally Posted by Speedy

Interesting on the McGregor stuff. Why couldn't rangers sell to us?

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It was on the back of the whole Scott Allan saga and there was a bit of bad blood between the clubs and fans.

That came from Daz himself. If anyone can remember the short lived .net podcast he told the story on there and I'm sure elsewhere in the press as well so it's definitely in the public domain.

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Originally Posted by Unseen work

How was JDH unfairly treated? Because we wouldn’t sell him?

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Seemingly but then we allowed him to leave for free in January.

I’m going to bow out of this also. I’m sure the club will do the right thing. We are in a much better place now.