I think you make male sports ‘open’ but female sports only for athletes who grew up female.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
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I think you make male sports ‘open’ but female sports only for athletes who grew up female.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
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Absolutely ridiculous that in a few decades many female athletic world record could be held by someone who was born a male. Why would the bafoons want to win them, they aren't stupid they know they have an advantage.
Of course they should be able to legally change sex Mary adopt whatever, but surely a few caveats is still a huge change from where we were.
The mma fights we've seen were sick, what's going through a trans person's head to smash someone born a female.
https://boysvswomen.com/#/
This is interesting (if all accurate).
A bit disingenuous to call them boys, 18 years old!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
That's the age lia Thomas transitioned so shell always have a huge advantage, what age do most transition. She went from an average male swimmer to the best college female. She needs a shake how can she feel good winning with such a natural advantage. The other girls on the podium all stood together in protestQuote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
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The man I know who is clearly not an athlete is 30 and about to have upper body surgery to 'reduce' his body.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
And good luck to him. A friend at work is having the same at a disgusting unfair price. I welcome every law available to them being changed, marriage adoption passport whatever. But... the caveat of sport should be preserved to be fair on people born females. Men have enough, let them have their records.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Things have come such a long way for trans people in 20 years, it's great. Life is unfair sometimes, surely they can live without competing in female sports. I've got over the fact I'll never make the 200 metres at the Olympics as I'm slow as ****, life is unfair
It wasn't a protest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSL2N2VP1XH
The woman who came second has her say.
An Olympic silver medalist who lost to Lia Thomas at NCAA Championships said she's 'proud to support trans athletes' https://www.businessinsider.in/sports/news/an-olympic-silver-medalist-who-lost-to-lia-thomas-at-ncaa-championships-said-shes-proud-to-support-trans-athletes/articleshow/90313958.cms?utm_source=social_sticky_amp&utm_medi um=social_sharing&utm_campaign=Click_through_socia l_share
Other women who lost out had their say. One only if anonymity as there would be a backlash. The boos from the crowd were obvious and it distracts from the real issues. The few mma fights were further than this and I would say they were sick. Someone that has been a male beyond puberty has different muscle mass and bone density even after hormones. Have to be worped in the head to want to smash away at a woman with such an advantage, equally so to condone itQuote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/trans-athletes-steal-wins-from-biological-females-lia-thomas/
https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/lia-thomas-teammate-situation-is-unfair-and-ncaa-is-discriminating-against-cisgender-women-locker-room-discomfort/
Oh really - Where does it say that? Or did you find that out independently?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
American high school students are up to age 18. Not that difficult to find out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
My point is an 18 year old 'boy' will be physically stronger than a lot of women so that comparison is worthless.
That's exactly what the point is, as most athletes that cross over are transitioning after they have this physical advantageQuote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
I get that. I just wonder how many are changing purely for the reason to beat women at sports?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
That’s a real danger. The financial rewards of a successful sports career can create incentives that should not be there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
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That's a whole different debate. Normal trans people are being mixed up with the different negatives being put forward because a lot of people think that they have ulterior motives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Not sure what the snide comment was for? Was a genuine question and wasn’t meant as some kind of dig. Even if I’d known that, how do you know some of these boys aren’t 17?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Anyway, don’t think the comparison is worthless at all. These are 18 year olds competing in 1 country (USA) and are able to beat the best Olympic female athletes from across the world at every single athletics event. And not just 1 or 2, the vast majority of these young men out perform the Olympic level females, before they have even reached their physical peak.
Pretty good comparison and shows why biological men competing against females is not fair.
You do realise I agree. But it's not related to the trans debate. Unless you can give numbers of men wanting to change sex just so they can compete against women. A bit drastic action if you ask me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
It is related because its front and back pages of papers. It's making it harder for the vast vast majority of trans who just want to live a normal life. It shouldn’t be able to be brought into the argument but it is and could not beQuote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
I agree. If we can take the sport issue out the equation we can start supporting trans people the way any society should. I can’t think of any other impediment to them living their life as they wish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
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Ok maybe I stepped into the wrong debate. I presumed that part of “the trans rights debate”, as this thread is called, would include whether or not biological men should be allowed to compete in womens sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
If that’s not part of this debate then very well….
I'd agree it's a different argument to the core isdues addressed in this thread. However, it's an element of the debate that has potentially far reaching repercussions (ie the end of women's sport as a meaningful entity).Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
As this is really only beginning to become an issue in sports I would like to think the sports governing bodies will look at the implications and act appropriately.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Did you know that Jakey Rolling is a regional sport in the parks of Glasgow, especially the hilly ones?
https://alexmassie.substack.com/p/th...ce=twitter&s=r
Good article on trans rights as it relates to sport. Massie is a good writer, it’s a shame he’s found his niche in the lucrative SNP bad market.
Quick question, does the SG’s GRA make any mention of elite sport?
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It doesn't AFAIKQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
IMO, it shouldn’t. As has been mentioned, it should be up to each sport to come to their own conclusion.
Good, then I’m happy enough to support it.[emoji106]Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
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Just read it, great articleQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Ignore your own politics this is very brave.
https://www.jamiewallisbridgend.com/...0th-march-2022
https://www.jamiewallisbridgend.com/...amie-wallis-mp
Johnson made a brief statement in the commons commending his actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
And, https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2022/03/3...-jamie-wallis/