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Nonsense thought out but faced huge abuse so he cowered backQuote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
I find his use of grammar extremely offensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Do you not think that our government should have their finger on the pulse of public mood slightly better, and instead of having to backtrack all the time just use appropriate words and actions first time a little bit more often?Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
It just seems to me that they can't get even the most basic of things right.
Those in positions of responsibility need to choose words carefully.
R&W has Tory lead down to four, Survation to two.
Notice boris and priti are trying to push chain gangs and hard labour for criminals. Great reply on the subject from ceo of timpsons John timpson
CEO of Timpsons on PM crime comments
“Instead of making offenders wear high viz jackets in chain gangs, how about helping them get a real job instead? In my shops we employ ex offenders and they wear a shirt and tie. Same people, different approach, much better outcome
That's a valid comment if (a) the criminals weren't employed at the time of their offending and (b) their lack of employment contributed to their offending.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
If a. is humiliation going to help them be a better employee person, b. that is the whole point get spend on job/rehabilitation programs, not dehumanisingQuote:
Originally Posted by Future17
I don't think it's dehumanising to wear a hi-vis and pick up litter. Whether it's humiliating is subjective but, if it's part of a punishment/deterrent, it's obviously advantageous for it to be so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Boris Johnson: "If you're guilt of antisocial behaviour and you're sentenced to unpaid work, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't be out there in one of those fluorescent-jacketed chain gangs visibly paying your debt to societyQuote:
Originally Posted by Future17
Your in good company. Mps from both sides of the bench and thousands of other normal people have been showing their disgust.
It's populist nonsense designed to please the masses. Back to the old days, non-evidence based conservatism. Every other country bar America and a few other authoritarian states have realised. Building up and rehabilitating drops crime better and lowers reoffending. But education programs or more police officers cost real money
You could throw any amount of money at it and you're career criminals will still offend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Nothing wrong with getting them out there and helping society instead of wrecking it. Come to think of it there's nothing wrong with pleasing the masses either, isn't that what a government is for?
I'm all for rehabilitation, but not in isolation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Not really or the majority of ********s would bring back hanging, hitting children and choosing brexit, even though anyone with a couple of decent braincells would know it will be an economic disaster for the ukQuote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
Strange and angry response :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Prisoners already work. This is about public shaming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
True but. Populism doesn't mean correctQuote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
No they don't, and no it's not. Community service is a great alternative to lesser crime but serial offenders in prison should be doing more to pay back society imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Hopefully the chain gangs will be rolled out to the upper echelons too. Fraud, tax evaders, politicians who give contracts to friends or to pay lavish decorations in ill-gotten gains
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I'd definitely be in favour of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
They'll be the ones who own the companies the prisoners will be working for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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Next week Patel will be promising to bring back hanging and witch burnings.
Not sure I can't see her bringing in a self harming policy like thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Lendo
The example here is about anti social behaviour though. Not really a group of offences commonly associated with career criminals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
Why are the right always desperate to humiliate the young, poor etc. Why are punishments like this not being doled out to speeders, tax dodgers etc?
Prisoners should be allowed to apply for real jobs in the real economy. They can repay their debt to society by paying tax on their wages. As soon as possible they should be on an electronic tag as well. It’s still a restriction of their Liberty but is not as destructive as prison.
Prison itself should only really be used for the most violent and repeat offenders. Electronic tag should be used for the vast majority of offenders.
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Yes they are!
Prisoners from Castle Huntly, outside Dundee, are often 'employed by Perth and Kinross council for gardening work.
Weird and gimmicky’: police chiefs condemn Boris Johnson’s crime plan
https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/...mpression=true
When we had an allotment elderly gardeners could request for help from those being rehabilitated. It’s a great scheme.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Can’t be long before a Tory donor wins the contract to operate these chain gangs. This slave labour will then be put to graft on lucrative contracts earning millions of pounds. That won’t be enough though. They will lobby for more slave labourers to be recruited, so there will need to be more people sent to jail and for longer sentences. It’s a model that has worked for America.[emoji849]
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i'm thinking of the Warden in Shawshank
“Be sure to thankMaisie for this fine pie”Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
It is not compulsory to work in prison and the majority don't :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Which people naturally wish to avoid, thereby making it a deterrent.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Then why isn't every country doing it? Why don't we roll it out for any and all crimes rather than just ones committed by young people? Let's get those speeding, tax dodgers etc out there as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
Priti showing what a great problem solver she is. That combined with her awareness and empathy makes us very lucky to have her. What an ignorant woman she is.
Is this recent? Certainly wasn't the case when I was in prison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
I worked with the SPS for a while.
There is little to no data that shows that public humiliation reduces crime levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
Just look at the government front benches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
The bbc website fact-checking Johnson’s ’ claims on police numbers, which would never have happened without Butlers intervention in the HoC last week. Again, proof that backbenchers can still have an impact just by representing their constituency while telling the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/57987932
These are inmates close to release, and they generally are the ones who want to stay out. The ones who don't are the ones that the tories have abandoned already 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
😂😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...mpression=true
Raab the latest to be called into question after a donation.
Surely they're all being investigated by the police?Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
https://twitter.com/digbylj/status/1...527437825?s=21
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There’s a real level of entitled snobbery around at the moment
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It's just scary how out of touch these people are. This isn't a comment in private to one of his posh mates - he's put this out to the world on social media, presumably expecting everyone to agree with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Radium
We really are run by some right fannies.
To be fair to the Conservative Party, this vacuous malignant **** of a man was only ever a minister under Gordon Browns Labour Government. Then spent the last 14 years sucking at the teat of the taxpayer as a life peer in the Lords.Quote:
Originally Posted by Radium
He should have given more examples of sports endin in in, to be clear what point he was makin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Radium
Also, there should be a space between the end of one sentence and the beginnin of the next. (Or if you're Rees-Mogg, two spaces.)
What do you expect? They've won. The project started in the 80's to grab as much wealth as possible has ended with the rich being able to convince the poor that someone else is to blame for their ills. Now they have that much sway over popular opinion, they might as well start throwing their sense of entitlement about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Radium
Paywall. Unwall please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
https://mobile.twitter.com/PickardJE...80310003896320
Strong words from ft 👏
Grabby, ego-drunk politicians and scheming industrialists. What can go wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ld-be-searched
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Surely we should be holding mass rallies with the cry "lock them up"Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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Tories break things a lot.
https://twitter.com/PoliDigitalUK/st...83677347786758
Mental to think the government appear to be using burner phones.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
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When you consider that they've spend over £163k over the last couple of years on flags, a few burner phones is acceptable. 🔥Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Beat me to itQuote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
https://news.stv.tv/politics/spending-on-union-flags-flying-high-under-boris-johnson?top
Let the flag debate commence 🇬🇧🏴🏴🏴
Prick refuses to apologise for his thatcher coal mine comments. He was sipping champagne when people were struggling to eat in ex coal mining communities
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...-mines-3336491
And still these communities voted tory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
And the English electorate **** love it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Radium
They love being bossed by their “betters”.
(Generally speaking).
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Sarah Vine writing in the mail on Sunday that Thatcher was well ahead of her time in shutting the coal mines in the 80s, she was doing this because of concern for the climate, and apparently ‘theLeft’ need to understand this. Michael Goves ex wife, so apparently serious comment :dunno: So this is now an actual Tory argument.
Like so many things they're rewriting history.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
BBC will de digging out all their old clips of Thatch being passionate about the environment.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
https://theecologist.org/2018/oct/17/who-drove-thatchers-climate-change-u-turnQuote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
I've done the job for them 😉
It's ****ing bizarre. I'm not sure if they are thick or they think we are, or bothQuote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Aye, and she had the Belgrano sunk to provide an environment for endangered aquatic species.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Jury still out on people in England who keep returning them to power to be honest and on us for letting another country decide our leaders for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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It’s so worrying just how little the truth matters any more.
Right-wingers are so keen to talk about “cancel culture” yet that is precisely what we are seeing here, rewriting history. The right wing sheep lap it up.
I have it on good authority that Thatcher was more concerned with preventing the premature deaths of miners.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Secretary.html
Warning, contains disturbing images.
Odd that migrant boats crossing the channel wasn’t an issue before Brexit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
It almost feels like we had a successful partnership with France in helping deal with these issues in a far safer way.
That made me laugh, really takes the biscuit.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Any working person supporting this lot, either directly or indirectly, might as well get the smocks on, have a bit straw hanging out their mouths and get practicing their bowing, scraping and forelock touching.
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Yep, she sent well paid heavily armed police into assault them with foam filled truncheons so as to minimise injuries to just broken bones and cuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killiehibbie
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Programme on this on BBC 1 tonight at 7.35pm
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58149765
A bare-faced con. Right in front of everyones eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
Presumably aired to distract from the bare-faced cons of the current incumbents? (I tried to watch but fell asleep halfway through, it all seemed so run-of-the-mill.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58151615
She blew£37 billion (yes Billion with a b) pounds on a system that the Public Accounts Committee says ‘made no measureable impact’. Gets to step down from her role with another plum job waiting in the wings.
Just as well it wasn’t Corbyn in charge though.
It's an utterly incredible amount of money. I think the Channel Tunnel only cost £21 billion to complete.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Thats a good comparison. But I like to think of it as £1 million. Multiplied by 37,000. Beyond comprehension. Also equivalent to somewhere in the region of half a million ‘council’ houses for the UKs homeless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
1 million seconds is 11 and a half days.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
1 billion seconds is almost 32 years!
Or nearly £560 pounds per man, woman and child, and that for what is basically an App.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
What I’d like to know is, who’s bank account is that £37bn sitting in now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
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BBC is far too busy reporting on ‘kids getting slightly better exam results than last year’ breaking news.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Only found out today why Dido's venture is always being referred to as "NHS Track and Trace".Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
"NHS Track and Trace" is the name given to it by the Govt even though it is a completely private enterprise and nothing to do with the NHS at all.
Yes, it's all along been the UKGov's intention to imply that the massive public spend is on a public organisation, rather than public money being poured into chums'/party donors' pockets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
I'd like to see the itemised bill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Father Ted’s.Quote:
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Any idea what the company is called?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
Dido herself doesn't appear to be a director of anything, FWIW.
https://www.serco.comQuote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Ta.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
She's not on their Board either.
From her wikiQuote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Head of NHS Test and Trace
In office
7 May 2020 – 1 May 2021
Prime Minister Boris Johnson
Preceded by Office established
Succeeded by Jenny Harries
...also....
Chair of NHS Improvement
Incumbent
Assumed office
9 October 2017
On leave of absence since 17 June 2021,
with Sir Andrew Morris acting in the interim
Prime Minister Theresa May
Boris Johnson
Deputy Richard Douglas
Preceded by Ed Smith
So it seems she moved on, or back, or to the side - however it is they wangle it.
She’s pally with their ceo. There’s a horse racing clique involving Dido, Matt Hancock, Nicholas & Rupert Soames. Links explored here:Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...test-and-trace
The kicker is the govt’s “anti-corruption champion” John Penrose MP, aka Dido’s hubby.
Interesting polling by yougov… such a stark difference.
Issues of concern for Tory voters,
Immigration 53%
Economy 52%
Health 44%
Issues of concern for Labour voters
Health 62%
Environment 45%
Economy 38%
Tory lead down to 3% with Opinium.
**** knows how they have a lead, let alone anyone voting for them.
If immigration is your biggest concern at the moment you are a racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
8 point lead with you gov. Starmer has lower approval ratings than Corbyn, despite a favourable press. It’s not working.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/keir-starmer-approval-rating
Johnson breaks the ministerial code yet again. Douglas Ross will be calling for his resignation I imagine?
https://www.businessinsider.com/bori...mpression=true
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Ho ho ho, Boris. What a funny chap he is etc etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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He’s a tad busy just now being all homophobic and that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Snow White, Superman and Pinocchio are walking along the road.
They see a sign: "Contest for World's Most Beautiful Woman." Snow White goes in, later comes out smiling, wearing a crown.
They walk along and see another sign: "Contest for World's Strongest Man." Superman goes in, later comes out smiling, wearing the belt.
They walk along and see a sign: "Contest for World's Greatest Liar." Pinocchio says "This one's for me", goes in, later comes out with his head down crying. "Who the hell is Boris Johnston?" Pinocchio sobs.
The Home Office admitted that callers to its emergency Afghan aid hotline had been redirected to a washing machine repair company 🤦
https://t.co/H6YYMMrSgz
You couldn't make it up!!!!