The whole tactic is to provoke reactions like this to guarantee maximum media coverage. Job well done as far as she's concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
The whole tactic is to provoke reactions like this to guarantee maximum media coverage. Job well done as far as she's concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
Would you grab a woman like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
No, which is why demonstrators tend to put women into these situations. If you're a believer in sexual equality then the level of outrage should not be influenced by the gender of the demonstrator being personhandled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
Would he have stopped a bloke like that though? I don’t think so. This was a man exerting his dominance over a woman physically and it was disgusting. People saying she deserved it because she was protesting are excusing the govt violently suppressing peaceful protest. We have to have higher standards than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
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It's difficult to say. I remember once breaking up a fight (more of an attack) and probably ended up using just as much force, though in saying that the girl was going mental so it's not really comparable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Grieves
Maybe he was excessive, but did he injure or even hurt her?
He was violent enough that he could have hurt her. It was assault.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
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Indeed. She clearly knew what she was doing and whoever filmed it was in prime position to capture any hoped-for reaction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
He was a bit too heavy-handed by the looks of it, but the faux outrage from opposition politicians is hard to take seriously.
He was rather heavy handed. I think the red mist descended. He could quite easily have stood up and put his arms outstretched to stop her moving past him. If she'd then tried to pass, he may have escalated it. It's a difficult situation to find yourself in, but I think he'll be getting his collar felt. If someone can get arrested for milk shaking, Farage, then the met police have a decision to make.
I noticed someone sitting at the meal filming it on their phone. Anyone protesting these days will always film the action as evidence of what's occurring.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
If this has been John Swinney stopping an anti Independence protester going for Nicola Sturgeon would you be saying it was assualt and therefore advocating he be charged and likely lose his job? Just checking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
As an aside, whoever was arranging security for the meeting will be in trouble. It could have been someone with more malevolent intent than Greenpeace that walked in.
It would have been a 20 second slot on the news about the mansion house speech by the chancellor being interrupted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
The tory minister has given, Greenpeace, national airtime they'll be delighted with.
Regardless to anyone's politics, he was bang out of line. He's already admitted himself that he was wrong, apologised and submitted himself for investigation.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
He was overly physical beyond reasonable means. In today's security climate, she shouldn't have been there and could well have gotten to where she did with a knife, gun, acid, device etc...I understand that. But he had no right whatsoever handling her the way he did.
Are you on the correct thread? Just checking. 👍.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Yeap. A fantastic example of direct action paying off. Well done to the protestors.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/sta...007910912?s=09
To be fair the paper she was carrying mightve contained some really harsh words. The sash with "climate." written on it was obviously severe provocation
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Absolutely. 100%. I’m against using violence to stop any kind of protest. And I’m very much against using violence against women. I would want Swinney charged and sacked. Clear enough?Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
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Very clear, thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Maybe the Mansion House should employ more efficient people on the doors to check tickets etc. How did these ladies get in en masse?
James, what’s your thoughts on Boris looking a shoe in to get into power and making a no deal more likely? Out of interest what kind of an impact do you think Brexit will have on Scotland?Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Yes that was kind of the point I was making - that the protestors made sure she was being filmed in the hope that she sparked the sort of reaction they could then exploit for maximum exposure.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
As an aside, while there is a useful purpose to be served by mobile cameras in certain situations the default mentality of many folk to film anything and everything can be extraordinary and often disturbing. I know a guy who worked as an air steward who stepped in to deliver CPR on the tarmac after a passenger had what proved to be a fatal heart attack when disembarking. At one point he glanced up to discover he was surrounded by other passengers filming his efforts rather than expressing any sort of concern for their fellow passenger.
Where do you draw the line? What about a female suicide bomber or an armed female terrorist 'protesting' against the West's policies in the Middle East? Surely violence is justified there to stop the protest (if anyone was brave enough to take such a person on).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
If what you actually mean is peaceful protests then what constitutes peaceful? Climate change protesters bringing city centres to a standstill by stopping traffic? Is that peaceful when it's potentially dangerous? Was the woman in this particular incident acting peacefully in rushing towards the stage at an event she'd gatecrashed?
It's awful, a no deal Brexit would be a disaster for all of the UK. I don't think he will get a no deal through Parliament though.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Modfather
Of course I meant peaceful. Yes this woman was a peaceful protester armed only with some leaflets on climate change. And yes stopping traffic is peaceful protest.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
Where do you draw the line on the states violence in suppressing protest? Is it ok to grab a woman by the throat? What about water canons? Tanks Tiananmen Square style? What degree of state violence against peaceful protest is ok for you?
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Agreed. What trade deals do you think we will have post Brexit, with who, and on what terms? What will happen with the Irish border?Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Do you think Scotland will be better off or worse off post Brexit than we currently are? Do you have confidence in Boris as PM to deliver for Scotland?
Unless I'm missing something, has the EU not been clear that renegotiation of 'the deal' is not happening. In which case all Johnson/Hunt can do in Westminster is put the existing withdrawal agreement back to parliament?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Modfather
The only thing that could change is the wording of the political declaration about the future relationship between the EU and the UK.
Mark Field suspended, police investigations into a small number of reports of an assault in the mansion House.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48718725
Welsh tory mp removed by constituency.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-48720176
If Tories can’t hold that then we are heading for GE. I think we are anyway because we are stuck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
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Lib dems will fancy their chances in this seat. Would be a great start for Boris. Edging closer to that general election.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Are we looking at another suspension?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48713978
We agree, there is a first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Boris says he will get a deal but how, I have no idea. He will also not get a no deal through Parliament so we are back to where we started at.
And possibly another suspension, where will it end?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-48713049
👍😁Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
I realise that Johnson /Hunt wouldn't repeal A50, so what next? Second referendum, neither will want that. The only way out of the impasse, as far as I can see is a general election, maybe a no confidence vote first.
I'd have stopped short of water cannons, but would have happily seen some kids sent in with some of those pump-action water pistols to give the protesters stopping traffic in Edinburgh a good soaking :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
More seriously, as somebody who has worked in liaison with the emergency services, I can't condone any sort of protest that jeopardises their ability to carry out their job, which lying down in the street to stop traffic certainly does.
Personally, I think any organised protest which has gone through the official channels is absolutely fine and, provided it sticks to its remit, there should be no reason for violence. Be that independence marches, Stop the War marches or People's Vote marches, there's no reason you can't ensure much more effective and sympathetic media coverage than by gatecrashing an event like last night's. We had a traffic free day in the Old Town recently as part of the Open Doors event and that garnered plenty of positive coverage.
Unannounced protests like that, or the climate change protest in Edinburgh this week are purposely confrontational and likely to lead to heightened reactions, which ever way your sympathies lie. I don't really have any more sympathy for those sort of protesters than I do for pitch invaders at Easter Road.
You make good points about the effectiveness or desirability of different types of protest but we can’t allow the state to use violence to suppress it. That should be a red line. If the protest is peaceful then we have the courts and criminal justice system for dealing with any inconvenience caused.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
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As for the protest, I’m sorry but I don’t believe that’s how you would deal with someone if you thought they were genuinely dangerous or a security risk. You wouldn’t grab someone like that and frogmarch them out, even if they were half your size.
I’m sure he was “acting on instinct”, but not the ones he’s suggesting we believe and you don’t have to be Sigmund Freud to work them out. A mask definitely slipped.
Good for the protestors. Much more of the same please.
His instincts would have been very different if it had been a 120kg 6ft bloke. This was a chance to assault a woman and he took it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete
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:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I've already posted about the following, but it made me chuckle
https://twitter.com/patrickharvie/st...264903171?s=19
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics...mpression=true
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https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...f29dfc60aa.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
Type of man he is.
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We have a guy (certainly not a man) who had the Police at his door for 'beating up his partner'. This piece of sh*t is ready to be the next PM of the UK. It's just unthinkable that any right minded person would vote for this clown. What, imho, is needed a London free, Pro-independence Labour Party who can deliver what the people need. Proper pensions, a totally state run NHS and properly managed Schools. Abolishing the charity status of fee-paying schools would also be a step in the right direction.
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There is something utterly toxic on both sides of the political spectrum and it is relatively easy to apply a filter.
However...
This is the response of a Telegraph columnist to a neighbour recording the sounds of a disturbance in the flat next door.
Having seen at close quarters the impact of Domestic abuse, this attitude cannot be allowed to get traction.
The details of the incident will be debated, the levels of intrusion will increase but it must never be the case that reporting the incident was the issue.
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Where did you read he “beat up his parther”? Agree with the rest of your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by southsider
Allison Pearson and Ally McCoist, two completely similar ****s in a pod.Quote:
Originally Posted by Radium
Interesting how many Tories are now against neighbours getting involved in domestic abuse. It’s neighbours reporting domestic abuse that saves lives.
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Bet they arnt against neighbours dobbing in potential immigration breachesQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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She's followed it up with a suggestion that the neighbours recorded "a private conversation" and that people who are ok with it have a "stazi (sic) mindset".Quote:
Originally Posted by Radium
You couldn't make it up.
Mark Field slipping the tongue to Lucia Hunt
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Who was Bozo arguing with when the police were called? Was it his wife or one of his many bits on the side?
Bidie-in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
:tsk tsk: Bojoke doesn't beat people up. But he is happy to discuss having others beaten up.Quote:
Originally Posted by southsider
Why is Johnson so popular?
Folk talk about him being charismatic etc but every time I've seen him he stumbles and bumbles his way through and often contradicts what he's said in the past
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Well that's more than a little creepy-looking.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
I'm no fan of the Tories but I have issues with that article. It's taking a couple of still photos and making all sorts of assumptions without any sense of context or perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
That's the way propaganda works.
I think that's part of his appeal to some: he isn't the robotic politician who uses the usual arid phrases. His persona is the slightly baffled posh boy with ruffled hair. However, make no mistake, he's a devious bassa who is much more intelligent and calculating than he pretends to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
To be honest, I didn't read the article, but I agree with your point nonetheless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
His body and hand/arm position is awkward at best though (given what little we know about the context.
There's a wave of anti intellectualism sweeping the world again. It happens every so often and stupid people like to be surrounded by stupid people because then stupid becomes normal. History is full of intelligent rogues who have taken advantage of this and it normally doesn't end well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
£15 on Jeremy Hunt(and NOT the other *unt) @7/2 :)
:no way:Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
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Hunt saying he'll hold the SNP to account over their poor record on the NHS.
:faf:
Quite right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-45969866
"The NHS in Scotland is not financially sustainable and its performance has continued to decline, the public spending watchdog has warned.
Audit Scotland said health boards were "struggling to break even" and none had met all of the key national targets - with NHS Lothian not meeting any.
It highlighted increasing demand on NHS services, and rising waiting lists."
Maybe Audit Scotland are wrong?
No they aren't, and I don't think that even the biggest SNP supporter would say it couldn't be better. But really an English MP saying he will hold the SNP to account for the Scottish NHS, surely he would be better looking at his own government first to see if they could get Englands NHS up to the same standardQuote:
Originally Posted by James310
Geez, if that's how bad the best funded NHS in the UK is doing, then I dread to think how poorly they're doing elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Oh wait, this is 2019 and we have internet. So we can actually take a look - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Hunt#NHS_funding
It's the same old arguments, because England are worse that somehow makes our performance where we miss pretty much all the targets acceptable.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
I am sure there are plenty on here who would say the SNP actually could not do better because they will blame Westminster or setting the targets too high, I think that was the last excuse when this was discussed previously.
Edit: As predicted, see reply above.
Not what I said at all and I could have out money on you coming back like that, you are do predictable. I actually said no one could argue that in Scotland we should be doing better but it is rather hypocritical of an English Tory to be saying he is going to hold SNP to account when England is performing worse. Perhaps he should start the account holding closer to homeQuote:
Originally Posted by James310
You will find lots on here that will argue that actually it could not be any better.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
I am surprised you are so easily shocked by a politician being somewhat hypocritical, it's a regular occurrence from politicians across all parties.
Once again a predictable response from you. Where did I say I was shocked? He is pandering to the little Englanders in his party while deflecting away from his own governments poor record on the NHS. He will show those uppity Jocks who's boss if he gets to be PM. No shocks, no surprises just full on Tory as usualQuote:
Originally Posted by James310
Coming from the former health secretary that is universally hated by doctors and nurses across the NHS its a bit rich.
Doesn't Scotland have the best performing NHS within the UK?
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The imperial masters have arrived in jock land for a three day visit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
Irn bru selfie...check
Get on with the day job, Nicola, yer NHS is pish...check
Reminder of my Scottish roots...check
Get back in yer box and bow to the Empire...check
Meanwhile, England is up **** creek without a paddle.
It's not an old argument. You just misunderstand it. We recognize the NHS in Scotland isn't doing great just now. We also recognize that it is a result of a UK Government dragging us down with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
No you won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Thing is, he isn't actually popular. His approval ratings nationally are terrible. He's got this far by being all things to all people but it's now wearing thin - he ran as Mayor of London being a moderate Tory and a bit of a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
Then he switched to a hard Brexiter when he saw the way the wind was blowing. He's like Trump in that respect.
Even in the running for PM he's been getting away with convincing some Tory MPs that he's a 'One Nation' moderate looking to genuinely renegotiate with the EU but others seem to think he'll give them the hard Brexit they lust for.
He'll be found out incredibly quickly.
Never mind the paddle, they haven't even got a canoeQuote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
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Jeremy Hunt getting interviewed this morning delivered an interesting phrase (whilst talking about delivering a “no deal” Brexit) ...
“unlocking the potential of our country”
Putting aside the fact he said “country” instead of “nation” ..
Isn’t that phrase as equally relevant to Scotland as it is to the UK?
You're constantly on here asking for proof of this, and that. Can you provide proof for your first sentence please.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
https://twitter.com/jude5456/status/...050121729?s=09
This is just ridiculous. The UK is in a mental place right now
This is supposedly the less extreme choice for PM
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Not sure it's going to make me any happier about whoever our next PM is, but one rampant Tory I know revealed over a few beers that he's no intention of voting for Boris simply because he's the MP's choice and the MP's failed to deliver the public's choice of Brexit.
They're mad as a box of frogs and mostly disconnected from worlds other than their own.
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Ken Clarke has now said he will vote to bring down the govt if they go for no deal. Almost certainly they have the numbers for it now.
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I'm reading Johnson's biography and it's clear that he has been addicted to winning ever since birth but having won he gets bored and moves on.
Whether it's winning the affections of some posh lady or winning top jobs in the press or government, it makes little difference. If he does become PM I doubt he'll last long. Let's hope he doesn't do anything serious in that time.
His record suggests he'll do sod all of substance.
In my experience that applies to most people, myself included.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
That is not why the police were at his door. Had that been the reason then it's safe to say they wouldn't have been satisfied there was nothing to concern them.Quote:
Originally Posted by southsider
Boris would not be my choice as PM, but when you consider that arguably Scotland's most high profile politician of the last few decades and our former First Minister has been charged with multiple counts of sexual assault and two of attempted rape (I am fully aware, I should add, that he remains innocent until proven guilty) then perhaps Johnson's perceived character flaws are overstated.
Nope, if guilty they're both ****s and should be nowhere near the top job.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
It's a thousand pities Boris won't go on Sky TV for their debate. I bet Kay Burley could hit the target with a few darts.
Guilty of what in Johnson's case?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
What is he not guilty of?Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
This isn't even half of it.
https://www.businessinsider.com/who-...19-5?r=US&IR=T
Can you clarify, are you suggesting a guilty Alex Salmond is equivalent to the current gaffe prone and buffoon Boris Johnson?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
It doesn't need to be equivalent. Boris Johnson has openly done quite enough already not to be anywhere near the top job. He doesn't need to be found guilty of anything else, he's openly guilty of things that should stop him in his tracks. But England is full of mentalists just like the US and the more openly criminal and racist he is, the more the white people of middle England love "good old Bojo".Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Alex isn't openly guilty of anything thus far. So it's impossible to compare him to Boris at this moment in time. However, if he is found guilty, you can be sure he won't be near a top job ever again in Scotland, because we're not complete nutjobs up here.
You love the English don't you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
But you do agree a guilty Alex Salmond is nowhere near the level of a pretty stupid and gaffe ridden, but non criminal, Boris Johnson?
Is Alex Salmond inline to be UK PM?Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Always petty points scoring on here
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Just the minority non-racist ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
If you want to write off openly racist comments as "gaffe ridden", then that's your business. Although i'd imagine most people in Scotland would disagree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
He was First Minister of Scotland for seven years, twice leader of Scotland's biggest political party and a long-serving Westminster MP. Fair to say he's occupied high office.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
In what way is Johnson 'openly criminal'?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
"was" totally irrelevant to the next PMQuote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
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I got it :agree: :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
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