This doesn’t sound like it’ll end well...
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This doesn’t sound like it’ll end well...
Agree but sadly it'll do the orange blinps election chances no harm amongst his supporters who probably won't know where Iran is.
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There was a report of a demonstration in Iraq recently. The word Iran was repeated at least seven times. I'm just a crazy conspiracy theorist, of course, but I get the impression we are getting wound up for the war to end everything.
Only a few months ago Trump's base were celebrating leaving the Kurds behind because they want the troops home, now they are celebrating a strike that brings them as close to war with Iran as could be outwith anactual declaration of war.
Will we be smart enough to stay out of it this time?Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
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Supreme leader of Iran has promised 'severe revenge.'
I like the cut of his jib. This isn't any revenge, this is 2000 year old Shi'ite severe revenge .Quote:
Originally Posted by Vault Boy
I can't imagine it's too far fetched to say a trade deal might be the carrot on the stick needed to get BoJo onboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
If it kicks off then oil should swiftly go above $100 a barrel. Will make the GERS figures interesting.
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We really need to stay well away from this one. Sadly, Boris desperately needs a trade deal with the US and won't be willing to stand up to Trump.
If you thought the Iraq war was a mess, this is going to be another level entirely.
According to reports trump never bothered his arse telling any allies (including UK) about this and just did it.Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
Tinfoil hat time but a lot of it comes down to this I think
https://www.mintpressnews.com/petrodollar-warfare-the-common-thread-linking-venezuela-and-iran/255123/
There is a lot of truth in that article but Venezuela was collapsing long before any sanctions were imposed. And Iran is a long term enemy of the states.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzzywuzzy
Plus I doubt Trump is able to stick to such a long term plan.
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The Americans, with the help of the UK, overthrew a democratically-elected prime minister in Iran in 1953 to allow Western oil companies to control production of oil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
So it is perhaps more accurate to say the Americans are a long-term enemy of Iran.
Absolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
Trying to take on Iran is not in any way comparable to Iraq. They have a much stronger military than Iraq had and are a much more unified country. This will be a massive mistake if it is allowed to escalate. Eventually the American will prevail but the cost will be massive.
Biggest winners will be Russia and China.
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The assassination of a foreign General is nothing short of a declaration of war. Any form of retaliation will be seen by many as justified. This is not going to end well.
Trump "Hey Boris, going to support us in going to war?"
Johnson "No"
Trump "do you want a trade deal or not?"
Johnson "just you tell me where to send the troops"
As predictable as it is depressing
Tugendhat's already been on the radio saying how justified the killing was. Still, sunny uplands and that.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
I’m not so sure. Johnson will be aware of the damage to Tony Blair’s reputation and the level of opposition there will be here. I also don’t think he would be naturally inclined towards a war.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
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You might be right about not being inclined towards war. But he definitely needs to get some kind of trade deal and that will cost big timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Not if Americans arrive back in body bagsQuote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Agreed, ironically it's not so long ago Trump abandoned their Kurdish allies as he didn't want any American soldiers in the region, now another 3500 have been sent there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
Will his support base remember or care.
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Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Don't know whether to laugh or cry, absolutely comical.
What worries me the most is there seems to be absolutely no strategy to any of this (apart from what appears to be attempts to force Iran to war), none of his allies were notified of the strike, it's like he woke up and thought "**** it" and went ahead with it.
That's very likely how it went,which has to be a concern for all but die hard stay at home Republicans.Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
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It’s like foreign policy as the mafiosi would run itQuote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
It's being reported that the UK was informed prior to the attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1212913366492016640
Quite a good read on Twitter regarding the power Soleimani had in Iran and the possible consequences of the strike.
Unfortunately I'm not so sure. Wars always become unpopular but usually it takes a few years. The timing of this is more than suspicious with the Democratic primaries and his impeachment coming up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
Trump has claimed in his statement that he was the world's number one terrorist and it should have been done a long time ago. Well he's been President for 3 years, so what's stopped him?
This is all to bolster his election campaign. Remember, Bush won a second term even after Iraq
This. Boris has built his whole platform on Brexit. He absolutely has to ensure its not viewed as a failure. They'll be another dodgy dossier to back him up but ultimately he'll fall in line as a US trade deal is a must.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby