Orange March

Why should a town (Broxburn) be locked down for 4 hours because of this?

It boils my blood that this neanderthal pish is allowed, it's 2019 ffs.

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Originally Posted by stoneyburn hibs

Why should a town (Broxburn) be locked down for 4 hours because of this?

It boils my blood that this neanderthal pish is allowed, it's 2019 ffs.

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Agree...a ****ing poison

Inadequate halfwits in fancy dress.

Was it an Orange Walk, thought it was the annual band contest.

Used to be a Friday night but now shuts down the town on a Saturday afternoon.

Rain made me smile at the back of 4 though.




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Originally Posted by stoneyburn hibs

Why should a town (Broxburn) be locked down for 4 hours because of this?

It boils my blood that this neanderthal pish is allowed, it's 2019 ffs.

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Worse than that it’s allowed is that people want to do it in the first place. In 2019 ffs.

(I'm a Private Hire car driver) I had a fare from Bridgend (*banjo territory) to Broxburn masonic club at lunchtime today.

The couple I transported were perfectly pleasant/sober - and yet I still found myself thinking "I wish they blockaded Broxburn every weekend!" 🤭

They should be banned on the grounds that anyone who thinks that wearing a short sleeve shirt with a tie is acceptable is committing an unforgivable crime against fashion.

I've lived here for 20 years and in that time the march has definitely been less invasive. Think its slowly dying out especially with all the new housing.

They used to close the whole road all day now it's just a short stretch of the main st for a few hours.

Anyway it peed down on them today. Always a bonus :greengrin

I'd never seen an orange walk before moving to Airth, largely because I was able to avoid them. Imagine my surprise at being woken up at 6:30 by the pounding of drums to see them snaking their way through the village and literally right past my front door. I was livid.

Tom Devine (Scots Historian) said that this is sectarianisms dying breath before it eventually dies out in Scotland but judging by the ages of some of the participants I'm not so sure he's right. There seems to be a younger generation coming through that might not have been forecast 10-15 years ago.

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Originally Posted by Jones28

I'd never seen an orange walk before moving to Airth, largely because I was able to avoid them. Imagine my surprise at being woken up at 6:30 by the pounding of drums to see them snaking their way through the village and literally right past my front door. I was livid.

Tom Devine (Scots Historian) said that this is sectarianisms dying breath before it eventually dies out in Scotland but judging by the ages of some of the participants I'm not so sure he's right. There seems to be a younger generation coming through that might not have been forecast 10-15 years ago.

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I think Devine is correct to an extent.

Since the restoration of the Scottish hierarchy in the 19th century Catholics have had a recognised governance in Scotland and, generally speaking, Catholics and Episcopalians can now worship openly and freely without intimidation or persecution. Again speaking generally there is societal equality and it's far less common for people to be denied education or work based on their religious background.

They have essentially been reduced to marching about the streets annoying people to demonstrate their 'superiority'. Trainspotting 2 sums it up nicely:

'The Battle of the Boyne was fought in 1690 between 2 rival claimants to the British and Irish thrones: James II, Catholic, and William of Orange, Protestant. The battle was decisive. The Protestants won. But 400 years later the uncompromising and victorious loyalists now feel estranged from the modern, secular United Kingdom. The sectarian songs have been banned but they still gather and remain loyal to the victory of 1690, and to a simpler, less tolerant time. But if anything else, history has down us very clearly these are people it is unwise to provoke.'

Anyway you' ll have to excuse me as I'm off to Mass now.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

I think Devine is correct to an extent.

Since the restoration of the Scottish hierarchy in the 19th century Catholics have had a recognised governance in Scotland and, generally speaking, Catholics and Episcopalians can now worship openly and freely without intimidation or persecution. Again speaking generally there is societal equality and it's far less common for people to be denied education or work based on their religious background.

They have essentially been reduced to marching about the streets annoying people to demonstrate their 'superiority'. Trainspotting 2 sums it up nicely:

'The Battle of the Boyne was fought in 1690 between 2 rival claimants to the British and Irish thrones: James II, Catholic, and William of Orange, Protestant. The battle was decisive. The Protestants won. But 400years later the uncompromising and victorious loyalists no feel estranged fr the modern, secular United Kingdom. The sectarian songs have been banned but they still gather and remain loyal to the victory of 1690, and to a simpler, less tolerant time. But if anything else, history has down us very clearly these are people it is unwise to provoke.'

Anyway you' ll have to excuse me as I'm off to Mass now.

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As Sick Boy once said, "beautifully ****ing illustrated".

I bow to your superior analysis PB 👍🏻

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

They should be banned on the grounds that anyone who thinks that wearing a short sleeve shirt with a tie is acceptable is committing an unforgivable crime against fashion.

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You’d have to ban civil engineers as well, then.

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Originally Posted by Colr

You’d have to ban civil engineers as well, then.

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I've worked with a few, and they tend to have the wee epaulette thingies on the shoulder of their shirts [emoji6]

The shirts are normally light blue or white, the non iron kind where you get 3 in a packet from M&S.

The more senior ones have pens sticking out the shirt pocket.

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Originally Posted by Bostonhibby

I've worked with a few, and they tend to have the wee epaulette thingies on the shoulder of their shirts [emoji6]

The shirts are normally light blue or white, the non iron kind where you get 3 in a packet from M&S.

The more senior ones have pens sticking out the shirt pocket.

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Only use M&S now that bhs and canda are bust

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

Only use M&S now that bhs and canda are bust

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Army surplus stores are the best, real ex - navy & pilot ones[emoji16]. Strut about the place looking like a Japanese general. Handy for orange marches.

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Moved down here from Angus in 2015 and completely baffled by the whole sectarian/religious divide thing, including the walks. I pity anyone who had to grow up with it.

Getting to the stage where we're family planning, and really don't want my future kids to grow up with the whole ridiculous "PROTESTANT OR CATHOLIC?" nonsense every day at school.

I find them a fun competition these days - I got caught at one last year in West Calder and ended sitting in traffic as it walked along the main street - police held the traffic on our side of the road. It was a lovely sunny day, and I had my window down and dammit, the sound of those flutes and drums were ruining my enjoyment of Slipknot, so I turn up my car speaker as loud as it could go (it's a Bose-based audio system in my car and it can project one hell of a noise at volume 8 - I had it at 25). Turns out "musicians" in these bands can't continue to play when there's a really loud noise that's at a different pitch/rhythym and they get really angry. The police seem to find it hilarious though.

I decided to try the experiment again later in the summer when I got caught at one in Lanark (a little more dicey as it's definitely a "Rangers" town) - I was listening to Linkin Park this time, but the same effect was observed. They all stopped playing and drew me daggers as they walked past (including one delightful chap that roared something into my car as he walked by - of course, I couldn't make out quite what it was) :greengrin

For a while, I lived down in Surrey and Hampshire - I was in a tiny village just next to Petersfield - imagine my shock one summer's day when I went into Petersfield for groceries, only to be confronted by an orange walk! Turns out, it's one of the few towns in the UK outside of Northern Ireland where there's a statue of William of Orange, and so marchers descend on the place in the summer :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Sylar

I find them a fun competition these days - I got caught at one last year in West Calder and ended sitting in traffic as it walked along the main street - police held the traffic on our side of the road. It was a lovely sunny day, and I had my window down and dammit, the sound of those flutes and drums were ruining my enjoyment of Slipknot, so I turn up my car speaker as loud as it could go (it's a Bose-based audio system in my car and it can project one hell of a noise at volume 8 - I had it at 25). Turns out "musicians" in these bands can't continue to play when there's a really loud noise that's at a different pitch/rhythym and they get really angry. The police seem to find it hilarious though.

I decided to try the experiment again later in the summer when I got caught at one in Lanark (a little more dicey as it's definitely a "Rangers" town) - I was listening to Linkin Park this time, but the same effect was observed. They all stopped playing and drew me daggers as they walked past (including one delightful chap that roared something into my car as he walked by - of course, I couldn't make out quite what it was) :greengrin

For a while, I lived down in Surrey and Hampshire - I was in a tiny village just next to Petersfield - imagine my shock one summer's day when I went into Petersfield for groceries, only to be confronted by an orange walk! Turns out, it's one of the few towns in the UK outside of Northern Ireland where there's a statue of William of Orange, and so marchers descend on the place in the summer :rolleyes:

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There's a William of Orange statue in Brixham - it's where he sneaked into the country.

We seen a "well fed" bladdered hun in an orange away top in the local Wetherspoons last summer. He was also having his picture taken at the statue later on whilst raising his fist and singing no surrender.

Lovely chap, guess he was on some sort of pilgrimage.

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Originally Posted by Sylar

I find them a fun competition these days - I got caught at one last year in West Calder and ended sitting in traffic as it walked along the main street - police held the traffic on our side of the road. It was a lovely sunny day, and I had my window down and dammit, the sound of those flutes and drums were ruining my enjoyment of Slipknot, so I turn up my car speaker as loud as it could go (it's a Bose-based audio system in my car and it can project one hell of a noise at volume 8 - I had it at 25). Turns out "musicians" in these bands can't continue to play when there's a really loud noise that's at a different pitch/rhythym and they get really angry. The police seem to find it hilarious though.

I decided to try the experiment again later in the summer when I got caught at one in Lanark (a little more dicey as it's definitely a "Rangers" town) - I was listening to Linkin Park this time, but the same effect was observed. They all stopped playing and drew me daggers as they walked past (including one delightful chap that roared something into my car as he walked by - of course, I couldn't make out quite what it was) :greengrin

For a while, I lived down in Surrey and Hampshire - I was in a tiny village just next to Petersfield - imagine my shock one summer's day when I went into Petersfield for groceries, only to be confronted by an orange walk! Turns out, it's one of the few towns in the UK outside of Northern Ireland where there's a statue of William of Orange, and so marchers descend on the place in the summer :rolleyes:

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http://www.speel.me.uk/sculptplaces/...ieldwmiii2.jpg

King Billy on his way to a Toga party. presumably? :dunno::greengrin

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

http://www.speel.me.uk/sculptplaces/...ieldwmiii2.jpg

King Billy on his way to a Toga party. presumably? :dunno::greengrin

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Nah, Billy was much more camp than that, bouffant wigs, make up,scent sprays, fake beauty spots and ladies robes, the whole 9 yards[emoji6]

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Originally Posted by Sylar

I find them a fun competition these days - I got caught at one last year in West Calder and ended sitting in traffic as it walked along the main street - police held the traffic on our side of the road. It was a lovely sunny day, and I had my window down and dammit, the sound of those flutes and drums were ruining my enjoyment of Slipknot, so I turn up my car speaker as loud as it could go (it's a Bose-based audio system in my car and it can project one hell of a noise at volume 8 - I had it at 25). Turns out "musicians" in these bands can't continue to play when there's a really loud noise that's at a different pitch/rhythym and they get really angry. The police seem to find it hilarious though.

I decided to try the experiment again later in the summer when I got caught at one in Lanark (a little more dicey as it's definitely a "Rangers" town) - I was listening to Linkin Park this time, but the same effect was observed. They all stopped playing and drew me daggers as they walked past (including one delightful chap that roared something into my car as he walked by - of course, I couldn't make out quite what it was) :greengrin

For a while, I lived down in Surrey and Hampshire - I was in a tiny village just next to Petersfield - imagine my shock one summer's day when I went into Petersfield for groceries, only to be confronted by an orange walk! Turns out, it's one of the few towns in the UK outside of Northern Ireland where there's a statue of William of Orange, and so marchers descend on the place in the summer :rolleyes:

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This is brilliant!!!! :top marks Nothing like some nu-metal sounds to drown them out.

I tried something similar a few years ago after being stuck near Bathgate but I was listening to deadmau5 instead, didn't have the same effect but it at least drowned them out. :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Jones28

I'd never seen an orange walk before moving to Airth, largely because I was able to avoid them. Imagine my surprise at being woken up at 6:30 by the pounding of drums to see them snaking their way through the village and literally right past my front door. I was livid.

Tom Devine (Scots Historian) said that this is sectarianisms dying breath before it eventually dies out in Scotland but judging by the ages of some of the participants I'm not so sure he's right. There seems to be a younger generation coming through that might not have been forecast 10-15 years ago.

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Anything that allows folk to offend other sections of the populace is going to attract new enthusiasts by the score. You've only got to be in Glasgow on the big day to realise Devine is applying wishful thinking to a huge degree.

There are thousands upon thousands of the critters.

Similar experience to @Sylar but in retrospect maybe pushing it a bit.

In my case I got stuck in a queue of traffic in Glasgow delayed by these blowfarts. I happened to be listening to Rage Against the Machine, which features some pretty deep base notes, and wound the window down while looking nonchalantly ahead. I turned the volume up as 'Big Base Drum' approached and was aware of his steely gaze penetrating my personal space as, for the first time he had competition and you could see his lip curling up, seething. The 'flautists' were truly Donald Dckd though and tootled away desperately trying, but failing, to maintain their swaggering discipline. It's the camp followers who I had to keep a wary eye on though but everything eventually passed safely.

They really don't like it up 'em and their inability to do anything when put off their stride gives you a warm, cozy feeling.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

They should be banned on the grounds that anyone who thinks that wearing a short sleeve shirt with a tie is acceptable is committing an unforgivable crime against fashion.

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horrendously dressed, the weirdos that they are.

Ban them all forever.

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Originally Posted by Colr

You’d have to ban civil engineers as well, then.

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And a fair few of the older generation of IT/tech people too. And Jack McConnell.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...PKp59a4q5oyoGg



THE “anti-Catholic” Orange Order is in terminal decline and can only survive if it abandons sectarianism, according to historian Tom Devine.


modern society can only hope so, it's the 21st century after all

Sadly, this weekend heralds the start of "marching season".

There's a website that provides a calendar of dates/geographies out there but I won't post a link onto here. Just search for "band parades" if you're so inclined.

Alternatively, you can find details of any planned processions in your area by looking at your council website - sadly, I'm in West Lothian at some point this weekend and there are marches in Armadale, West Calder, Harthill and possibly Whitburn (I definitely read about a parade, I just can't recall if it's this weekend or next).

My "FTOO" metalcore/deathcore playlist is ready to go for the car :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Sylar

Sadly, this weekend heralds the start of "marching season".

There's a website that provides a calendar of dates/geographies out there but I won't post a link onto here. Just search for "band parades" if you're so inclined.

Alternatively, you can find details of any planned processions in your area by looking at your council website - sadly, I'm in West Lothian at some point this weekend and there are marches in Armadale, West Calder, Harthill and possibly Whitburn (I definitely read about a parade, I just can't recall if it's this weekend or next).

My "FTOO" metalcore/deathcore playlist is ready to go for the car :greengrin

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"Snowflakes with milkshakes" should be the name of a new anti supremacist movement:greengrin

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...-west-48480251

Probably one for the good news thread. The thought of a couple of hundred angry men sitting stewing at home hating people rather than doing it publicly certainly makes me smile.

A good decision by the courts. I'm wondering why the orange lodges have decided to call off their re routed marches. 😷 they're still allowed to march, but just not past a Catholic church.👌

I hope Cosla take the message throughout Scotland.