Tory party leadership

So we are down to 3 and close to the point where 150 thousand (very) odd crusty Tories get to choose not only our prime minister but also our future relationship with the EU. Democracy's great eh?

Anyway, I have to say (for as far as I'm aware the first time) that I agree with Malcolm Rifkind: anyone but Gove please.

Quite apart from being a treacherous backstabber, the guy is a fanatical lunatic. Everywhere he goes he tries to rip everything up in a year 0 ****storm and leaves a trail of utter chaos. He would be a complete and extremely dangerous disaster as PM

These are his ideas (written a couple of years after the Good Friday Agreement) for Northern Ireland. It's difficult to know where to start with the utter wrongness of the whole thing:

https://www.cps.org.uk/files/reports...ichaelGove.pdf

Having said that, I'm absolutely sure he'd guarantee Scottish independence.

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

So we are down to 3 and close to the point where 150 thousand (very) odd crusty Tories get to choose not only our prime minister but also our future relationship with the EU. Democracy's great eh?

Anyway, I have to say (for as far as I'm aware the first time) that I agree with Malcolm Rifkind: anyone but Gove please.

Quite apart from being a treacherous backstabber, the guy is a fanatical lunatic. Everywhere he goes he tries to rip everything up in a year 0 ****storm and leaves a trail of utter chaos. He would be a complete and extremely dangerous disaster as PM

These are his ideas (written a couple of years after the Good Friday Agreement) for Northern Ireland. It's difficult to know where to start with the utter wrongness of the whole thing:

https://www.cps.org.uk/files/reports...ichaelGove.pdf

Having said that, I'm absolutely sure he'd guarantee Scottish independence.

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Im not sure who would be best, but i do think theresa may seems to be aiming for the one nation position, which i think is best.

I get your point about democracy, but we are only a year on from a general electiob where the tories won convincingly, so its hard to claim its not legitimate. We dont vote for PM, even if it is increasing pitched like that by the media.

That being said, i think another general election could be good thing.

ABG

Anyone But Gove

Some hilarious responses

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b073366f0faf62

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

So we are down to 3 and close to the point where 150 thousand (very) odd crusty Tories get to choose not only our prime minister but also our future relationship with the EU. Democracy's great eh? Anyway, I have to say (for as far as I'm aware the first time) that I agree with Malcolm Rifkind: anyone but Gove please. Quite apart from being a treacherous backstabber, the guy is a fanatical lunatic. Everywhere he goes he tries to rip everything up in a year 0 ****storm and leaves a trail of utter chaos. He would be a complete and extremely dangerous disaster as PM These are his ideas (written a couple of years after the Good Friday Agreement) for Northern Ireland. It's difficult to know where to start with the utter wrongness of the whole thing: https://www.cps.org.uk/files/reports...ichaelGove.pdf Having said that, I'm absolutely sure he'd guarantee Scottish independence.

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The vote goes to the party membership once there are two left so technically the MP's don't choose.

And as other posters have said there is no vote for the people on who will be PM so Tory's, Labour or whoever the situation would be the same.

1. Andrea Leadsom gets elected as scapegoat.

2. Scapegoat is hounded by tories for some perceived misdemeanour.

3. Vote of no confidence in government.

4. Government resigns before article 50 is invoked and a new general election is called.

5. Both labour and the tories campaign for government with pro Europe manifestos.

6. One of them win (probably labour with a lot of tory seats going to UKIP).

7. The new Prime Minister revokes the referendum results claiming he was elected on a pro EU manifesto.

8. Nigel Farage is forced out of retirement.

Shouldn't the new PM be a Brexiteer?
After all, they got us into this situation.
Let's see how they propose to make the best of it.

There are no good outcomes in this. Leadsom is beyond Thatcherite. Gove is a dangerous right wing oddball. It's only because of the company she's in, that makes May look somewhere normal. Under any of these, the country is taking a lurch to the right.

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Originally Posted by heretoday

Shouldn't the new PM be a Brexiteer?
After all, they got us into this situation.
Let's see how they propose to make the best of it.

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I think we need to move on with brexiteers or not.

It doesnt mattet anymore, the vote happened, the people have spoken.

It should now all be about getting the bestpossible deal fpr the uk, and i would like to think all sides would subscribe to that.

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Originally Posted by steakbake

There are no good outcomes in this. Leadsom is beyond Thatcherite. Gove is a dangerous right wing oddball. It's only because of the company she's in, that makes May look somewhere normal. Under any of these, the country is taking a lurch to the right.

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I think its too early to say that. One of the candidates (probably May) will try and sieze the one-nation mantle i reckon - elections are won from the centre, and like all poloticians the new leader will be thinking about winning the next general election.

Also there is potential to grab a huge swathe of working clasd voters in norrhern england who are drifting away from labour. Maybe not unlile thatcher did actually.

The 3 of them are extremely dangerous. I can already invasion total anarchy within 1-2 years of any of them becoming PM. The economy is failing and they are going to ensure that the wrong people get landed with the burden. Watch this post, it's going to be utter chaos.

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Originally Posted by High-On-Hibs

The 3 of them are extremely dangerous. I can already invasion total anarchy within 1-2 years of any of them becoming PM. The economy is failing and they are going to ensure that the wrong people get landed with the burden. Watch this post, it's going to be utter chaos.

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You dont half get quite hysterical sometimes eh?!

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Originally Posted by High-On-Hibs

The 3 of them are extremely dangerous. I can already invasion total anarchy within 1-2 years of any of them becoming PM. The economy is failing and they are going to ensure that the wrong people get landed with the burden. Watch this post, it's going to be utter chaos.

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What a strange world you live in...'total anarchy' really?

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Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy

I think its too early to say that. One of the candidates (probably May) will try and sieze the one-nation mantle i reckon - elections are won from the centre, and like all poloticians the new leader will be thinking about winning the next general election.

Also there is potential to grab a huge swathe of working clasd voters in norrhern england who are drifting away from labour. Maybe not unlile thatcher did actually.

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With the notable exception of Tory leadership elections! How else would you explain IDS? :wink:

The trick for May is sounding mad enough to get elected without actually making herself a hostage to hard-Brexit fortune.

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Originally Posted by High-On-Hibs

The 3 of them are extremely dangerous. I can already invasion total anarchy within 1-2 years of any of them becoming PM. The economy is failing and they are going to ensure that the wrong people get landed with the burden. Watch this post, it's going to be utter chaos.

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If we're watching your post, we won't see the invasion...

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

With the notable exception of Tory leadership elections! How else would you explain IDS? :wink:

The trick for May is sounding mad enough to get elected without actually making herself a hostage to hard-Brexit fortune.

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Ok, point taken! But i meant general elections are won from the centre.

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Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy

You dont half get quite hysterical sometimes eh?!

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I was told the same thing when I said the Iraq war was based on a lie.

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Originally Posted by SiMar

What a strange world you live in...'total anarchy' really?

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I live in the same world as everybody else and yes, it is rather strange.

So, it is Alien v Predator for #ToryLeadership

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Originally Posted by Golden Fleece

So, it is Alien v Predator for #ToryLeadership

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Which one's which? :greengrin

imo better to have May if we're stuck in the UK but Leadsom if we get and win Indyref2 ... but thank **** it won't be Gove. Phew.

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

Which one's which? :greengrin

imo better to have May if we're stuck in the UK but Leadsom if we get and win Indyref2 ... but thank **** it won't be Gove. Phew.

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We didn't really have a pleasant experience with the last female Tory leader.

This is em ...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...rliament-video

... actually too surreal for comment. :confused:

I can't believe they managed to rustle up such a detestable bunch of utter creeps that it would almost be a relief to have Theresa May as Prime Minister.

Surreal and very worrying days indeed.

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Originally Posted by stoneyburn hibs

We didn't really have a pleasant experience with the last female Tory leader.

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Some people did. A lot of people got to own their homes for the first time in their lives, including my gran.

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Originally Posted by High-On-Hibs

I was told the same thing when I said the Iraq war was based on a lie.



I live in the same world as everybody else and yes, it is rather strange.

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Did you not say on another thread that you were 12 when the iraq war happened?

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Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy

Some people did. A lot of people got to own their homes for the first time in their lives, including my gran.

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Yeah, but that left a shortage of council houses that has never recovered in the 30 years since!

I was brought up in a mining village and my mum was a nurse - I can assure you that Thatcher was not a pleasant experience for anyone I knew at the time.

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Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy

Did you not say on another thread that you were 12 when the iraq war happened?

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Indeed. What difference does that make?

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Originally Posted by Smartie

I can't believe they managed to rustle up such a detestable bunch of utter creeps that it would almost be a relief to have Theresa May as Prime Minister.

Surreal and very worrying days indeed.

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At least she has backbone and balls.

Better than a jellyfish. Even a posh one.

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Originally Posted by High-On-Hibs

Indeed. What difference does that make?

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No difference. Just made me chuckle.

Leadsom seems like the dream candidate for Scottish independence.

Wants a hard and fast Brexit, has previously advocated scrapping employment rights (min wage, maternity pay, recourse to employment tribunal) for employees of small businesses and thinks we're subsidy junkies. :rolleyes:

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Scotland already receives about £1,500 more each year per annum from the public purse than us poor English.

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http://www.andrealeadsom.com/working...imate-irony/92

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

Leadsom seems like the dream candidate for Scottish independence. Wants a hard and fast Brexit, has previously advocated scrapping employment rights (min wage, maternity pay, recourse to employment tribunal) for employees of small businesses and thinks we're subsidy junkies. :rolleyes: http://www.andrealeadsom.com/working-for-you/andrea's-blog/the-ultimate-irony/92

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Didn't know much about her until a couple of days ago but she strikes me as somewhat odd. Not sure why (well some of the above might explain it) but just looks and sounds strange.

Anyway May is a cert I reckon and to be honest is probably not a bad choice, determined but more middle of the road than your average Tory so it will be interesting to see how she gets on. Tough gig tho that's for sure!

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Originally Posted by SiMar

Didn't know much about her until a couple of days ago but she strikes me as somewhat odd. Not sure why (well some of the above might explain it) but just looks and sounds strange.

Anyway May is a cert I reckon and to be honest is probably not a bad choice, determined but more middle of the road than your average Tory so it will be interesting to see how she gets on. Tough gig tho that's for sure!

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This nation is really in trouble if these candidates are the best we can come up with.
May believes Sharia law is good for the UK????
The thought of that is scary and very disturbing!
Most of their laws contradict ours.
How many wife's can you have again? As if we have 2 we get jailed for bigamy.
Also Halal meat is being brought in in many places.
Sorry but my Christian belief does not believe in making animals suffer for meat.

The world has gone bonkers....and very soon we will be an Islamic country! Mark my words!

Is this really what was fought for in the great wars???