Absolute joke of a league that will ruin football. Should the big 6 premier league clubs be punished for joining this league?
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Absolute joke of a league that will ruin football. Should the big 6 premier league clubs be punished for joining this league?
Bring it on, hope Rangers and Celtic get to join and the rest of us can get on with our lives. The Champions League doesn't interest me in the slightest so I can't see me taking any interest in a super league.
Thing that annoys me about sky breaking the news etc asking Keane and Richards the questions on their views.
If this did go ahead these idiots would be paying through the nose for the coverage since they’ve lost the champions league.
I can’t help but find it rather amusing not for the fans of course. But sky and their daft money they pumped into England have played a massive part in the downfall off football imo.
It’s a MK dons Wimbledon scenario.
I agree. ****ing hate sky tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicho87
Is this a breakaway thread?
People's Front of JudeaQuote:
Originally Posted by 007
I wonder if the supporters groups speaking out about this will have the courage of their convictions and stop attending games. I daresay the teams involved could sell out their stadiums to tourists every week and the TV deal would make fans from Manchester, Turin or London surplus to requirements. It might just focus a few minds though.
I remember a few years ago the Man Utd fans had a pretty sustained period of boycotting official merchandise and wearing green and gold rather than red to games in protest at the Glazers ownership. It seemed to die away quite quickly after on field performance picked up though. A Champions League win will do that.
My gut instinct is a lot of fans would start out with the best of intentions but would gradually drift back and support their club in whatever format they played in. Largely because I think they would realise the clubs don't need them and will plough ahead regardless, is a Man City fan who has become accustomed to sustained success in recent years going to start watching a fan led start up in the National League?
Alright, bag of otters noses then. While I watch this thread unfold.Quote:
Originally Posted by green day
You’re not wrong - but unfortunately it’s sky that have the best guys and platform to speak out about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicho87
Liew spot on as usual
https://www.theguardian.com/football...n-super-league
Fans will swallow any old nonsense the clubs tell them. First week of games in a new comp would be played in front of sold out stadiums. A massive marketing campaign will convince the fans that this is exactly what they’ve always wanted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
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So the breakaway 15 is now a breakaway 12 (no PSG, Bayern, Dortmund). What I don't get is why England get 6 teams and Italy and Spain only get 3 each.
When are we joining it?
North London Derby to find out who finishes 12th every year. I'm sure the fans will love it.
They can all F off as far as I’m concerned.
boy on sky saying all founding clubs to get 3.5 billion euros to see them allright.
Just read the format there. It sounds ***** to be honest. Two groups of 10 in a league format. Every other team playing off for the chance to be one of five teams that get to join the mighty 15 (which somehow includes Tottenham) in their competition. Let them off if that's what they want to do - but suspend them from domestic and European competition effective immediately.
Leicester for the premier league again?!
*In exchange for their commitment, Founding Clubs will receive an amount of €3.5 billion solely to support their infrastructure investment plans and to offset the impact of the COVID pandemic.Quote:
Originally Posted by cannastar
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The founder clubs seem to be made up of the richest clubs in the world, Spurs recently listed in the top 10 I believe, the rich trying to get richer it seems.Quote:
Originally Posted by mayo hibee
So assuming this replaces the champions league given its a midweek competition that would mean in reality no Scottish club could qualify or realistically be invited to play in the elite European competition.
The press release suggests two groups ten and play home and away so that’s a minimum 18 games versus minimum 6 if in CL group stage. A run to the final would result in 22 games in new format versus 12 in current CL. For a club like say Chelsea who have fairly regularly got to quarter finals that’s an additional 10 midweek games.
That would either mean much bigger squads and would certainly put the final nail in domestic cup competitions. As a minimum it would dilute the domestic league, I mean who cares if you win the title when you get min £350m for playing in super euro league.
Arsenal and Spurs are not even in the CL just now. Spurs have won about 1 trophy in 30 years. Liverpool are meant to be a club for the people. It’s a total disgrace.
Glad to see Bayern, Dortmund and PSG not agreeing to join. German fans have much more influence.
With an immediate 3.5billion euros eachQuote:
Originally Posted by Magpie
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This European Cup malarkey has gone down hill since real clubs got to the likes of the semi finals :wink:
Surely it would be 3.5bn split between the clubs rather than 3.5bn each?Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
Would the PL actually ban the six sides from competing in the league though? Surely that would probably wipe out a huge amount of their global audience and sponsors?
*In exchange for their commitment, Founding Clubs will receive an amount of €3.5 billion solely to support their infrastructure investment plans and to offset the impact of the COVID pandemic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keyser Sauzee
Could be taken both ways I guess
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PSG are only not there because Qatar are worried about their World Cup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Col2
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They have said they will, as have La Liga and Serie A in a joint statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magpie
If uefa suspend them, then the EPL would have no choice surely? Besides, the EPL will be finished if this gets a foothold. They need to back the current structure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magpie
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Any suspension effective from next season at the earliest I'd imagine. They're hardly just going to chuck them out six games from the end of the season.
Potential issues for the likes of Robertson and Tierney (if fit) for Euro 2020?
Can’t believe the ‘big team’ across the city aren’t one of the founding 12. Surely they could have replaced Barcelona??
I presume they're one of the three still to join.Quote:
Originally Posted by BegbieHSC
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Originally Posted by Greencore
im assuming that Chelsea are one of the so called Big 6.
aye that’ll be the same Chelsea who ignored the opportunity to take part in the first European Cup.
However the Famous Edinburgh Hibees were a bit more forward thinking
Yup. McTominay also. England squad would look a hell of a lot different.Quote:
Originally Posted by mayo hibee
Let's see if FIFA, UEFA and the FA have got the balls to follow through on their threats.
If you are serious then you suspend them immediately? The only way to win now is go nuclear.Quote:
Originally Posted by mayo hibee
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This won't fly because of the domestic and international bans. Only fans outside Europe would want it where they have no real roots in any teams.
"Scottish football>>>anything else now" from Ethan Laidlaw on Twitter.
Maybe he won't be heading south after all. :greengrin
There are two Scottish team who will be desperate for one of the remaining 8 spots in this league.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vault Boy
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None of this goes ahead if the players have any balls. Have any of them spoke out against it?
The players will go where the money is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torto7
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The likes of Bale would have to decide whether he wants to make even more than he does just now and sacrifice his position in the Welsh team, as I understand that the players who play in this would not be allowed to play for their national team. That's what they were saying on MOTD anyway. Those 6 English teams have shown their true colours as far as I can see, they don't care about the league, the FA cup or even the Champion's League, they just want more money. In a way I'm glad, now everybody can see what the real priorities of these clubs are.
https://twitter.com/backagain/status...967988225?s=19
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I wonder if any of these clubs consulted their fans.
Guess I need a new European team now that Inter have sold their soul. Any recommendations?
Hibs 😎Quote:
Originally Posted by Diclonius
Fifa statement released.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...eague-23937623
Apparently the clubs involved in the UCL and EL could be kicked out with immediate effect meaning PSG will be crowned as winners of the UCL and the EL final will be Villarreal v Roma.
I will be surprised if it came to that but that’s the word going around at the moment as UEFA apparently get ready to sanction the teams involved.
Always loved man utd since I was a wee boy, had the strips every year etc. No more though, never buy a ticket for old Trafford again and the club have lost at least one loyal customer for this. Sure I'm not the only one. Hibs and Scotland have always taken priority and I could be doing with the extra 150 quid nearly for Man Utd merchandise I spend a year. Drop in the ocean for them of course, matter of principle though.
Champions League and Europa League temporarily cancelled.
https://twitter.com/jmcginn7/status/...076695048?s=19
John McGinn is probably my favourite human being.
These clubs are going to blame it on the pandemic and say they had no choice due to the massive losses they've incurred because of it, or some guff like that.
Never been interested in the champions league or English football. Would rather watch a Dundee Derby over a London Derby. Am I mental? Yep.
Talk Sport have just said that's just a rumour doing the rounds but it isn't the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vault Boy
Whatever it is has been enough for the bookies to take the competitions out of their marketsQuote:
Originally Posted by 007
They said this guy is reliable with his info.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
https://twitter.com/RobHarris/status...110228994?s=20
Cheers, looks like a few have jumped the gun on that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by 007
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Aye I trusted it on your first post mate, just thought it was interesting the markets vanished. Maybe was earlier and down to the uncertainty of what’ll happen as opposed to a reaction of suspension rumours!Quote:
Originally Posted by 007
UEFA conducting meetings now with the outcome a few hours away apparently, so the rumours of cancellation might end up being true - but obviously those saying it's already official are off the mark. Wonder what stories we'll be waking up to.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
Florentino Perez, chairman of The Super League:
“If the players participating in the European Super League are banned from playing the 2022 World Cup in Qatar, we will create our own World Cup tournament. It is not a big deal.”
I thought April fools day was 1st April?Quote:
Originally Posted by Magpie
I hope UEFA and their domestic leagues hammer them, greedy pricks that they are.
He sounds like a power crazed maniac that wants to go head to head with Fifa and Uefa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magpie
He's also come out with "We will help football at every level" and talks about "substantially increasing solidarity". Is anybody buying that? I doubt it.
I’m not usually one for calling for thread maintenance but probably worth these two being merged or keeping it to the original.
Found myself flicking into both every time, and have a feeling things will be busy on the thread/s tomorrow 😳
That makes little zero in reality. 20 teams cannot possibly provide any meaningful international pool of players. Whilst you could perhaps make an England, Spain and Italy squad and perhaps a few others from the teams proposed, you cannot make most other international teams. Instead you end up with a dozen or so players of certain nationality’s (perhaps all from similar playing positions) unable to play for their own FA or form a new international team as Perez suggests.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magpie
Even if they could the appeal of current international football is that you see all the top players who otherwise never cross paths play each other, and a few wildcards from leagues you know nothing about. That factor is gone if they are all in one league.
On a separate point I wonder if this does go ahead if it would raise the possibility of a British League being created.
I hope it fails and brings down the financial greed of the current game with it (fat chance).
I hated the new proposals for the champions league so at least this might knock out than plan out. UEFA and FIFA need to go nuclear here as not give an inch. Allowing this to happen really is the death of our game as we know it and the final nail in fans being cared about.
Never. Opens the door to Team GB. Will NEVER be accepted by the fans in 3 of the 4 home nations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul1642
Disgraceful stuff and the teams involved should be absolutely hammered for this. Of course, it's no coincidence that most of them are heavily in debt. The whole episode is a slight and embarrassment on the game we love.
Never. It's a closed shop and invitation only. No guaranteed qualification.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greencore
No, presented as a fait accompli.Quote:
Originally Posted by 007
I read somewhere earlier that the current English TV deal only has a year to run. This creates a very high chance in the next deal being at a much reduced price which could defiantly put a lot of the remaining English teams in deep trouble.
Also who are the other 3 clubs!l? Lots of rumours but nothing confirmed. I really hope the Germans stay out of it.
Bayern, Leipzig and Porto I have seen mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul1642
Can't see Porto tbh... The other clubs are huge and have truly world wide support bases, can't see Porto in the company of them. Bayern and Leipzig leaving the bundesliga would make it a better league imo, **** both of themQuote:
Originally Posted by Magpie
Bayern, along with Dortmund and PSG have already declined the offer to join.
‘Solidarity’Quote:
Originally Posted by 660
Oh
My sides
Enjoying watching the fallout. Makes absolutely no difference to me or my team but hilarious watching everyone in England spitting feathers. Greed finally biting them on the arse.
Totally agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
Might affect us in Europe next season though.
We could win the bloody thing now 😂
My understanding is that no German clubs will join given their ownership models where fans own 51%Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul1642
A least we won't have to listen to English pundits call the EPL the best league in the world anymore. They'll probably turn it around to Britians top league or something now.
the contempt these s****bag clubs have for their own histories is extraordinary.
Real Madrid 13 times EC/CL winners including the first 5 in the competition’s history.
Liverpool 6 times Champions of Europe
Manchester United first English team to enter it (against the wishes of the authorities it must be said) and lost 8 players trying to win it
spurs...
anyway, the fact they are all willing to ditch that competition as if it means nothing to them speaks volumes
I think they’ve just not joined yet rather than declined. Sitting on the fence. Leipzig were created as a money making venture in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
I think this implosion of the top elite level football is absolutely fantastic and has been a long time coming.
I know it’s very popular but I’ve had absolutely zero interest in champions league football the last 4 or 5 years and the Premiership has been heading the same way. Something big needed to happen, hopefully this is it.
My preference would be for thes big clubs to get kicked out the premier league, the European super league to die on its arse and sky/BT to withdraw their ridiculous TV deals.
Let clubs find their own identity and start again from scratch.
Wont happen I know but I love the idea of it.
I think it's more likely that Celtic and Rangers will form a league with the top teams from Holland, France, Germany etc. And with all the sponsors and tv companies.Quote:
Originally Posted by ErinGoBraghHFC
And where will that leave Scottish football?
Was going to set up a poll to gauge views (I think I know the answer), but don't want to start a new thread.
Can Admins add some poll questions to this thread - simple question "in favour - yes or no".
In my view, I agree with many have said. I enjoy watching the Champions League, as teams do have to excel in their own leagues first. If it's the same old teams every season, then I would rather watch paint dry.
Anyone who supports this in any way shape or form isn't a football fan. If UEFA back down and make the CL a closed shop or even guarantee certain clubs entry whilst leaving some places open to qualification then they are as bad and will just be facilitating the next 'super' league in 5 or 10 years when the greedy picks want more.
So i have barely seen any positive comments about this, whats the difference between this and the Atlantic league as there was some support for that? To me they are both the same, money grabbing owners who don't care about the fans.
Their intention is to run this concurrently with continuing to compete in the domestic leagues which gives an indication of the end game.
i.e. some fudge with UEFA to adjust the "Champions League" in order to alter the entry criteria / prize money to ensure the richest clubs remain rich*
Whatever the outcome, if it does not continue to be based notionally on qualification, the top European prize will be devalued even more.
*Should be pointed out that these clubs are not actually rich - most, if not all of them are in deep financial trouble - Barcelona are $1bn in debt. They are a bit like our banks in the financial crisis - deemed too big to fail.
The absence of any relegation element. And the threat it poses to the non 20 clubs. That’s the clincher for me and why I’ll never watch it. It’s not sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gatecrasher
so its still rips the main income source out of scottish football and basically kills the premier league but because the clubs can be relegated from the Atlantic league its ok?Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
So basically it will get harder and harder for clubs from smaller countries to put together any sort of European run, as I imagine UEFA will bend over backwards to give the bigger clubs and leagues a much bigger slice of the cake and give more places in competitions to the bigger leagues, with clubs from smaller leagues losing out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vault Boy
It also occurs to me that if, big if, the Super League goes ahead there will be a lot of clubs kacking it in England in case the EPL loses out on sponsorship and TV money, leaving them with high debt and financially exposed.
I think UEFA will find a "compromise" with the clubs and bigger leagues that gives more CL places to them at the expense of smaller leagues' champions being excluded completely from the competition and having to play in the Europa and the Challenge league.Quote:
Originally Posted by green day
That’s exactly what is going to happen. I doubt Scottish clubs will be involved in the Champions League once that grubby deal has been done.Quote:
Originally Posted by GloryGlory
I wonder though can guess which TV company is behind all this as you don't have a European Super Duper league without guaranteed subscription TV money on a nod and a wink.
Interesting dilema for armchair football fans who may vehemently oppose this idea but who also subscribe to sports TV channels.
After all the £3.5billion isn't just coming from fresh air.
I dont think it will succeed but it will force UEFA to give even more concessions to the major clubs.
They were already talking about "wildcards" into the Champions League and you can see that being extended to include "permanent members" and eventually this concept of a super league will win by default.
Yes - a lot of these clubs are already the playthings of billionaires. You can see a situation developing where the league becomes a franchise similar to the NFL, with the clubs able to be bought and sold and moved lock, stock and barrel at the whim of owners, who treat them as just another commodity to be traded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop Hibee
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Originally Posted by green day
Good point. Man Utd loaded with debt, Arsenal too.
**** bag owners don’t care about the game at all, just feathering their own nests.
You know I posted last night that this would have no bearing on Hibs or Scottish football whatsoever, but thinking about it again this morning...
These 12 or 15 clubs/franchises are franchises that are used to winning (well, maybe not in Spurs case, but anyway). If they go ahead with this they're not going to want to find themselves suddenly at the bottom of whatever nonsense competition they're setting up. Someone has to come last and that needs to be someone else. But that probably won't be an issue because they are going to invite five or eight more teams in to make up the numbers, throw these teams a few quid to be down the bottom of the league, be on the wrong end of regular hammerings and just take whatever crumbs they can get that fall off the table.
For that they're going to need to find some teams that are big names and consider themselves "big clubs" but are actually fairly *****. Clubs that currently consider themselves to be big fish in a small pond and are just looking for any way out of the league they're currently in. Clubs that claim to represent a community or a cause but are actually just soulless businesses that would be delighted to take whatever few crumbs they're thrown. This might actually have a significant impact on Scottish football when it all plays out.
Almost certainly.Quote:
Originally Posted by GloryGlory
As to the proposal, a guy on the radio suggested that JP Morgan have backed this and are guaranteeing them $350m each per season..............but clearly this needs to be paid for in some way (including vast amounts of interest I imagine).
I imagine that this will be some form of PPV for these matches - I really struggle with where the audience share will be for this competition at those sort of numbers tbqh.
All of which points to a compromise which shafts everyone else - result :rolleyes::rolleyes:
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