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Keith_M
01-06-2025, 03:57 PM
Apparently really chaotic in Paris as Fans celebrated PSG's win in the Champions League Final, with nearly 500 arrests and hundreds injured.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/01/deaths-and-arrests-in-france-after-psg-champions-league-victory

(the article mentions 2 dead, but not 100% sure if they were actually linked to the 'celebrations')





EDIT: Apologies, I just noticed this has been mentioned in another thread.

hibsboy07
01-06-2025, 07:06 PM
Going by some reports,they were looting shops when the game was in play.

babahibs
01-06-2025, 09:30 PM
Going by some reports,they were looting shops when the game was in play.

Yeah, absolutely nothing to do with football.

Keith_M
02-06-2025, 08:08 AM
Going by some reports,they were looting shops when the game was in play.


Yeah, absolutely nothing to do with football.


Yeah, just been reading some updated reports and a lot of what went on looks like they were happy for any excuse just to go on the rampage.

Pagan Hibernia
02-06-2025, 08:29 AM
Seems to be a theme in France.

There were also riots after the 2018 and 2022 world cup finals

Trinity Hibee
02-06-2025, 09:08 AM
Seems to be a theme in France.

There were also riots after the 2018 and 2022 world cup finals

And there were issues at the Liverpool CL final in Paris a few years ago with locals attacking fans

AugustaHibs
02-06-2025, 09:14 AM
Paris has went to the dogs, an absolute ****hole. Such a shame as I used to love visiting.

Lago
02-06-2025, 09:40 AM
Apparently really chaotic in Paris as Fans celebrated PSG's win in the Champions League Final, with nearly 500 arrests and hundreds injured.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/01/deaths-and-arrests-in-france-after-psg-champions-league-victory

(the article mentions 2 dead, but not 100% sure if they were actually linked to the 'celebrations')





EDIT: Apologies, I just noticed this has been mentioned in another thread.
Not sure it was anything to do with celebrating PSG victory to be honest.

Hibbyradge
02-06-2025, 10:15 AM
Paris has went to the dogs, an absolute ****hole. Such a shame as I used to love visiting.

Oh dear. I'm going there on Friday.

linlithgowhibbie
02-06-2025, 11:04 AM
Oh dear. I'm going there on Friday.

You might get a bargain or two at a fire sale!:greengrin

Alex Trager
02-06-2025, 11:08 AM
One of the PSG players asked post match for no silliness or violence in Paris, which I thought was a really strange thing to request.

Not so strange afterall.

Hibbyradge
02-06-2025, 11:18 AM
You might get a bargain or two at a fire sale!:greengrin

:greengrin

Phil MaGlass
03-06-2025, 09:06 AM
Paris has went to the dogs, an absolute ****hole. Such a shame as I used to love visiting.

Went regularly for the rugby, but as you say its a 5hithole now. Muggers and pickpockets everywhere and a nightmare at night. Pimps and drug dealers all over the place. City has gone to the dogs.

Northernhibee
03-06-2025, 11:54 AM
Oh dear. I'm going there on Friday.

I went last November and enjoyed myself. Stayed in the Marais area and was very happy.

There’s a bakery called The French *******s (barstewards, in its swear filter dodging format) that do an outstanding caramel eclair. Good steak and steak tartare at L’Aller Retour Marais as well but booking recommended.

If you’ve not booked it already, I wouldn’t go up the Eiffel Tower. Very expensive, crowded, and queued nearly two hours to get back down.

wallpaperman
03-06-2025, 12:39 PM
Paris has went to the dogs, an absolute ****hole. Such a shame as I used to love visiting.

I was there 3 weekends ago, first time since 2009, and it has regressed in appeal terribly.

On the surface it is still beautiful, but there is an undercurrent of unease in parts.

I had no idea that the Eiffel Tower is effectively closed off for a wide perimeter with Perspex anti terrorist fences, there is no point going anywhere near it unless you have a ticket to go up the tower, the surrounding area is filled with hundreds of disheveled looking trinket sellers with identical crap. The tower still looks beautiful from over the river on the Trocadéro side though.

Paulie Walnuts
03-06-2025, 12:45 PM
I went last November and enjoyed myself. Stayed in the Marais area and was very happy.

There’s a bakery called The French *******s (barstewards, in its swear filter dodging format) that do an outstanding caramel eclair. Good steak and steak tartare at L’Aller Retour Marais as well but booking recommended.

If you’ve not booked it already, I wouldn’t go up the Eiffel Tower. Very expensive, crowded, and queued nearly two hours to get back down.

Have had the very same eclair from the very same place. Can second that.

I’ve been to Paris twice the last couple of years. Never had any trouble, never felt unsafe.

Northernhibee
03-06-2025, 02:28 PM
Have had the very same eclair from the very same place. Can second that.

I’ve been to Paris twice the last couple of years. Never had any trouble, never felt unsafe.

Would prioritise the Museum d’Orsay over the Louvre and would only go to the Pompidou if you’re into modern art (which I very much am).

Worth searching the Michelin Bib Gourmaund guide for fancy French meals at a reasonable price. I forget the name of the place but had outstanding slow cooked beef with braised parsnip somewhere followed by a pear, honey, and goats cheese dessert for a very reasonable price.

Would defo return to Paris. Pickpocketing is on the up in most cities so always weary wherever I go now.

Bristolhibby
03-06-2025, 04:45 PM
Not been since 2007 with Scotland and McFadden.

What a day! What a night!

Edit- Tell a lie. Stopped off near Gare de Lyon in 2023 at the Rugby World Cup before jumping on the TGV to Marseilles.

Now that is a sketchy city. My cousin got his sporran ripped off him lost his wallet and phone.

J

Speedy
03-06-2025, 04:46 PM
Dump. Been a couple of times, most recently about 10 years ago. Wouldn't return in a hurry.

SteveHFC
03-06-2025, 05:24 PM
Not been since 2007 with Scotland and McFadden.

What a day! What a night!

Edit- Tell a lie. Stopped off near Gare de Lyon in 2023 at the Rugby World Cup before jumping on the TGV to Marseilles.

Now that is a sketchy city. My cousin got his sporran ripped off him lost his wallet and phone.

J

Flew to Paris for the Euro's last year and got the train from Gard de l'Est to Augsburg before the Germany game. Felt a bit uncomfortable around the station area.

hibsbollah
03-06-2025, 05:28 PM
Not been since 2007 with Scotland and McFadden.

What a day! What a night!

Edit- Tell a lie. Stopped off near Gare de Lyon in 2023 at the Rugby World Cup before jumping on the TGV to Marseilles.

Now that is a sketchy city. My cousin got his sporran ripped off him lost his wallet and phone.

J

I go to Marseille at least once a year and cant wait to go back. Fantastic place.

Dashing Bob S
03-06-2025, 05:38 PM
Paris has went to the dogs, an absolute ****hole. Such a shame as I used to love visiting.

Opinions…so strange.

Have been spending a lot of time over there recently. It’s a beautiful magical place, where people still take the time to relax and engagement each other and life. It makes London look like an uptight third world slum full of manic depressives.

AugustaHibs
03-06-2025, 05:43 PM
Opinions…so strange.

Have been spending a lot of time over there recently. It’s a beautiful magical place, where people still take the time to relax and engagement each other and life. It makes London look like an uptight third world slum full of manic depressives.

Fair enough, in no rush to return to London either these days… probably best left to another thread though 🤣

Pretty Boy
03-06-2025, 05:56 PM
I've never liked Paris. Just never done it for me at all.

I love France in general. Spent time in Marseilles, Montpellier, Nice and Antibes and loved them all but Paris just left me cold. Must be a north v south thing.

Paulie Walnuts
03-06-2025, 07:33 PM
I go to Marseille at least once a year and cant wait to go back. Fantastic place.

Also been to Marseille and loved that too.

Was warned by a French person I know before I went to be careful but never felt unsafe there either. Maybe I’m just oblivious to danger :greengrin

marinello59
03-06-2025, 07:56 PM
Paris, London, The Beatles. It becomes almost fashionable to knock them all despite all three being justifiably iconic.

I visited a fair few French coastal cities during my time at sea and Paris as a tourist. Hugely different places and loved them all. Vive la différence. :greengrin

SteveHFC
03-06-2025, 08:04 PM
Beauvais is a lovely place.

green day
03-06-2025, 08:05 PM
Paris has went to the dogs, an absolute ****hole. Such a shame as I used to love visiting.

It really isn't.

I have been many times over the years, last time stayed up near Folie Bergere in a very reasonable apartment.

Lots of lovely wee bars and restaurants, you can do the tourist thing or just chill out.

Like anywhere, it has good and bad points.

marinello59
03-06-2025, 08:16 PM
Beauvais is a lovely place.

Or as Ryan Air calls it, Paris Beauvais. :greengrin

Pretty Boy
03-06-2025, 08:21 PM
Or as Ryan Air calls it, Paris Beauvais. :greengrin

'Frankfurt' Hahn is my favourite for that. Located almost as close to Liege and Luxembourg as it is to Frankfurt.

Jock O
03-06-2025, 08:46 PM
'Frankfurt' Hahn is my favourite for that. Located almost as close to Liege and Luxembourg as it is to Frankfurt.

Where it snowed early in the season most years, and at its worst it had 6 feet snowbanks along the road as the road was always cleared within seconds of the snow landing, but the bus made it into Frankfurt regardless of the weather, and it always waited on the plane landing no matter how late the plane was, which it often was very late, especially the late night one.

stuart-farquhar
04-06-2025, 10:30 AM
Not been since 2007 with Scotland and McFadden.

What a day! What a night!

Edit- Tell a lie. Stopped off near Gare de Lyon in 2023 at the Rugby World Cup before jumping on the TGV to Marseilles.

Now that is a sketchy city. My cousin got his sporran ripped off him lost his wallet and phone.

J
Only port I didn't get off the cruise for out of a a dozen or so.

Mcbizz1998
04-06-2025, 03:53 PM
Been going to Paris every other year since 1999 for the Rugby.

As others have said, vast areas are now a complete hell hole. Filthy, crime ridden, and uncomfortable to be in. It’s a real shame. We all know why it’s happened and is happening to many major cities in Europe to varying degrees, but saying it gets you branded as some form of ‘phobe’.

TrumpIsAPeado
04-06-2025, 04:32 PM
Been going to Paris every other year since 1999 for the Rugby.

As others have said, vast areas are now a complete hell hole. Filthy, crime ridden, and uncomfortable to be in. It’s a real shame. We all know why it’s happened and is happening to many major cities in Europe to varying degrees, but saying it gets you branded as some form of ‘phobe’.

Indeed. Far-right extremist groups are a real problem in much of the world right now sadly. But we should be brave and call it out.

The Tubs
04-06-2025, 04:35 PM
Been going to Paris every other year since 1999 for the Rugby.

As others have said, vast areas are now a complete hell hole. Filthy, crime ridden, and uncomfortable to be in. It’s a real shame. We all know why it’s happened and is happening to many major cities in Europe to varying degrees, but saying it gets you branded as some form of ‘phobe’.

I definitely have become a touristphobe.

SHODAN
04-06-2025, 04:40 PM
Indeed. Far-right extremist groups are a real problem in much of the world right now sadly. But we should be brave and call it out.

These days...

babahibs
04-06-2025, 06:04 PM
Been going to Paris every other year since 1999 for the Rugby.

As others have said, vast areas are now a complete hell hole. Filthy, crime ridden, and uncomfortable to be in. It’s a real shame. We all know why it’s happened and is happening to many major cities in Europe to varying degrees, but saying it gets you branded as some form of ‘phobe’.

What is it that we all know?

Baader
04-06-2025, 06:14 PM
Been to Paris lots and know it well. It's a fantastic city. Reports of its decline greatly exaggerated I think. Has some dodgy areas but what city doesn't. Unless you're hanging around the banlieues there isn't much to be overly worried about.

Mcbizz1998
04-06-2025, 06:22 PM
Indeed. Far-right extremist groups are a real problem in much of the world right now sadly. But we should be brave and call it out.

Yeah it’s the far right pick pocketing, ****ting in the street, hanging around in gangs of men, looting and rioting etc.

Keep calling them out 👍

TrumpIsAPeado
04-06-2025, 06:27 PM
Yeah it’s the far right pick pocketing, ****ting in the street, hanging around in gangs of men, looting and rioting etc.

Keep calling them out 👍

You forgot setting buildings on fire with women and children inside, but I'm glad we've found common ground. :aok:

Mcbizz1998
04-06-2025, 06:44 PM
You forgot setting buildings on fire with women and children inside, but I'm glad we've found common ground. :aok:

When did that happen in Paris bud?

hibsbollah
04-06-2025, 07:08 PM
Yeah it’s the far right pick pocketing, ****ting in the street, hanging around in gangs of men, looting and rioting etc.

Keep calling them out 👍

It would be a lot more brave, honest and open of you if you just said what you mean.

Since90+2
04-06-2025, 07:12 PM
What does this thread have to do with football?

If people want to discuss this type of stuff keep it to other sites or at least the Holy Ground.

SHODAN
04-06-2025, 07:14 PM
Yeah it’s the far right pick pocketing, ****ting in the street, hanging around in gangs of men, looting and rioting etc.

Keep calling them out 👍

My multinational family are absolutely **** scared of a particular kind of rioter and it isn't the ones you're alluding to. But you knew that already.

Baader
04-06-2025, 07:19 PM
Been going to Paris every other year since 1999 for the Rugby.

As others have said, vast areas are now a complete hell hole. Filthy, crime ridden, and uncomfortable to be in. It’s a real shame. We all know why it’s happened and is happening to many major cities in Europe to varying degrees, but saying it gets you branded as some form of ‘phobe’.

You're bio says you're 33. If so in 99 you'd be 6 or 7. Le Pen and his cronies were decrying the lack of 'French' in that 98 World Cup squad. Paris hasn't changed much since 1999 in terms of demographic.

Mcbizz1998
04-06-2025, 07:29 PM
My multinational family are absolutely **** scared of a particular kind of rioter and it isn't the ones you're alluding to. But you knew that already.

Hahah what???

Do you think I’m here to defend far right rioting? What has this got to do with Paris and why it’s such a dump?

SickBoy32
04-06-2025, 07:30 PM
Paris hasn't changed much since 1999 in terms of demographic.

Admittedly I’ve not been to the city for 10+ years - but given the trend right across Europe, I would be stunned if that’s true.

HNA11
04-06-2025, 07:41 PM
Well this is a bit of serendipity. A chance to try something out.

We have recently reopened the Holy Ground to all users rather than just PMs and I think this thread definitely belongs in there now.

There's a warning in there from one of the team about playing nice so try and do just that.

Baader
04-06-2025, 07:54 PM
Hahah what???

Do you think I’m here to defend far right rioting? What has this got to do with Paris and why it’s such a dump?

A dump? Sounds like you didn't make it further south than the Stade de France! Interested to hear what 'vast areas' you think are complete 'hell holes' as I'll have been to them.

DH1875
04-06-2025, 08:54 PM
I've been to Paris 3 times and won't be back. Went twice for football and had a great time. Last time went with my wife and totally different story. Dodgy as and definitely unsafe in parts at night. Also the only place I've suffered direct rasicm as a white guy despite being in some dodgy places around the world.

Paulie Walnuts
04-06-2025, 09:32 PM
A dump? Sounds like you didn't make it further south than the Stade de France! Interested to hear what 'vast areas' you think are complete 'hell holes' as I'll have been to them.

:agree:

I’ve stayed all over Paris. It’s not any more ‘unsafe’ or ‘scary’ than any other huge city imo.

overdrive
05-06-2025, 10:26 AM
Or as Ryan Air calls it, Paris Beauvais. :greengrin

Not been there in years - it was either when I was still a student or not long started working - so roughly 20+ years ago.

The airport was basically a collection of sheds and tents/marquees. Is it still the same?

Kato
05-06-2025, 01:59 PM
As others have said, vast areas are now a complete hell hole. Filthy, crime ridden, and uncomfortable to be in. It’s a real shame.

Could have been written about Edinburgh regarding our founders 150 years ago.

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SteveHFC
07-06-2025, 12:31 AM
Not been there in years - it was either when I was still a student or not long started working - so roughly 20+ years ago.

The airport was basically a collection of sheds and tents/marquees. Is it still the same?

It is indeed. Have walked from the train station in Beauvais to the Airport before. :agree:

JimBHibees
07-06-2025, 04:30 PM
Could have been written about Edinburgh regarding our founders 150 years ago.

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Yep exactly the same. Lazy strange religion dirty big families criminal

Northernhibee
08-06-2025, 11:53 AM
Oh, another recommendation for food. I’m a bit of a burger nerd - McDonalds and Burger King ruined the perception of what a burger should be over many decades, but I usually find one independent burger place on my travels to try it out.

Sold Out Burger in the Marais area is the best burger I’ve had - incredibly simple too. Toasted milk bun, smashed patties cooked slightly pink, cheddar, red onion, lactofermented pickles that they make themselves, and house sauce.

It’s very Parisian to my taste - a really simple classic recipe but every single thing on it was perfect. Very beefy tasting and exceptionally cooked and prepared.


Incidentally, El Perro Negro in Edinburgh and Glasgow is second for me. Their Top Dog burger is excellent.

Stairway 2 7
11-06-2025, 10:21 AM
Oh, another recommendation for food. I’m a bit of a burger nerd - McDonalds and Burger King ruined the perception of what a burger should be over many decades, but I usually find one independent burger place on my travels to try it out.

Sold Out Burger in the Marais area is the best burger I’ve had - incredibly simple too. Toasted milk bun, smashed patties cooked slightly pink, cheddar, red onion, lactofermented pickles that they make themselves, and house sauce.

It’s very Parisian to my taste - a really simple classic recipe but every single thing on it was perfect. Very beefy tasting and exceptionally cooked and prepared.


Incidentally, El Perro Negro in Edinburgh and Glasgow is second for me. Their Top Dog burger is excellent.

Really enjoy El Perro Negro, I think Bread Meats Bread fell off a cliff in quality 5 years ago. I also don't mind a mcds cheese burger whilst waiting for the bairn to eat. It's pretty rubbish but worth the price