Filling in the corners

[PortoHSC]

Seen someone post on Twitter responding to a hibs observer article regarding filling in the corners and with a photo of what it could look like and it does look immense, i am aware we probably would fill out it out once in a blue moon however wondering how far away in the pipeline that may be and everyone’s thoughts on this.

[JohnM1875]

Seen someone post on Twitter responding to a hibs observer article regarding filling in the corners and with a photo of what it could look like and it does look immense, i am aware we probably would fill out it out once in a blue moon however wondering how far away in the pipeline that may be and everyone’s thoughts on this.

Looks unreal! Just isn’t a need for it at all… yet.

[BlackSheep]

Link…?

[gbhibby]

Link…?https://images.app.goo.gl/ZM9nS3BV8tqgvoSr5



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[green day]

How am I supposed to get to games if there is no helipad?

[Pagan Hibernia]

What would that bring us up to, 23,000 capacity?

[04Sauzee]

That picture has been around for a while now and pops up every now and again. Although I don't think it's a particularly good picture, it's always nice to dream. I'm sure someone could do something decent with AI/ChatGPT to come up with something that looks good.

[04Sauzee]

What would that bring us up to, 23,000 capacity?

Depends if we are putting a 3rd tier on the west 😀

[Gmack7]

Depends if we are putting a 3rd tier on the west 😀

2nd tier on the east 1st 🙏

[Nicho87]

I’ve always though we would connect the famous five to east and west and leave the away end standing on its tod

[badabing67]

Just a curiosity, but does anybody know if all the stands were originally aligned by the architect(s) when they were built. so the corners could be filled in at some point (future proofing) as it were. It's just I feel when you are in and around the stadium it doesn't look like it. To me anyway. But all I have is the naked eye to judge it with. On the converse side of the argument if they are not that is some oversight by all concerned.

[Musselbound]

Looks great no doubt but I think we'd need more than the odd sell out crowd to justify it.

[tamig]

Anybody can come up with a nice image. There are things to consider in that pic - not least the north-west corner. Don’t think we’d ever to be able to come up with anything like that nice symmetrical solution based on the constraints of the existing surroundings. There was a thread on this fairly recently.

[Up-the-slope]

That picture has been around for a while now and pops up every now and again. Although I don't think it's a particularly good picture, it's always nice to dream. I'm sure someone could do something decent with AI/ChatGPT to come up with something that looks good.

Its a terrible picture in quality and also impossible as the corner between West & FF could never be done as FF has corner cut off due to road layout and why it was done that way... so they could never be joined in this manner as you cant build over land you don't own

[cabbageandribs1875]

2nd tier on the east 1st ��


we can put a 2nd AND 3rd tier in if we like, but i doubt very much we will be able to build any higher than the present height.

[Jamesie]

Edinburgh’s population is anticipated to grow by circa 8% between now and 2035. We had an average home attendance of 17,082 this season - so assuming a straight line correlation, we won’t “need” any more than 18,500 seats by that time. Whether the club might want to fill in the corners irrespective of this is another matter.

[Bostonhibby]

How am I supposed to get to games if there is no helipad?All I've ever wanted, all these years......

You just know Hearts will gazump us here and get one first. Right on the end of the staircase to nowhere.

Petrie, sort it out....

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[Viva_Palmeiras]

What’s the ROi?
whats the additional maintenance overhead cost versus the revenue stream?

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Are we in the frame for hosting something that could be used as a means to justify someone else offsetting the cost (e.g a joint Celtic Nations bid for the Euros or hosting a Europa or something final?)

[DarlingtonHibee]

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Not for me...

[Paul1642]

The amount of money it would presumably cost is nowhere near proportionate to the increased capacity, which we would seldom fill. Until we are selling out Easter road at least 50% of home games, with many left wanting tickets, then there’s no need to think about capacity increase.

I have no real idea what the cost would be but think it’s safe to assume it wouldn’t be cheap, and it would take years of sellouts to even break even.

Spend that money on the park and ensure we compete for 3rd every year and filling the seats we have will do nicely.

That photo does look nice though.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Its a terrible picture in quality and also impossible as the corner between West & FF could never be done as FF has corner cut off due to road layout and why it was done that way... so they could never be joined in this manner as you cant build over land you don't own

Could just do the south west corner then

[Keith_M]

No point doing that if we're moving out of town to a 40k capacity stadium.


Oops, was that supposed to be a secret?

:wink:

[jakedance]

A look at the satellite image of Easter Road tells you why filling in the north west and south east corners isn’t likely to happen. I expect the club have looked at options for the north east corner, with how successful our updated hospitality options appear to be.

[Up-the-slope]

Could just do the south west corner then

That would be least sensible as its next to away end so you would pay millions for new seats and have a big proportion empty as segregation

[Up-the-slope]

A look at the satellite image of Easter Road tells you why filling in the north west and south east corners isn’t likely to happen. I expect the club have looked at options for the north east corner, with how successful our updated hospitality options appear to be.

:agree: needs to be more than just matchday income or not financially viable. Hotel? Flats like Leyton Orient? (remember how many flats the club was renting at one point for players.) serviced apartment's?

[overdrive]

A look at the satellite image of Easter Road tells you why filling in the north west and south east corners isn’t likely to happen. I expect the club have looked at options for the north east corner, with how successful our updated hospitality options appear to be.

Buy all the flats, ignore the listed status of the old ticket office, bull doze them all, put the road under the extended stand. Jobs a good one 😉

[Jones28]

I get the hype around filling in a corner where we could but the reality is that until the demand is there the costs make zero financial sense.

It would be a complete vanity project for minimal return and for the sake of having a thousand or so extra seats filled for derbies.

And it raises the prospect of having more old firm fans to fill the seats when they are in town.

Every seat needs to pay for itself.

[ruthven_raiders]

I get the hype around filling in a corner where we could but the reality is that until the demand is there the costs make zero financial sense.

It would be a complete vanity project for minimal return and for the sake of having a thousand or so extra seats filled for derbies.

And it raises the prospect of having more old firm fans to fill the seats when they are in town.

Every seat needs to pay for itself.

Agree increasing capacity won't happen till we have a waiting list for season tickets, way to go before that happens.....

[Rick Rude]

Wouldn't have been that long ago people thought a 20k seater was a waste of money. Mid 90s we would do well to get over 10k for anyone outside celtic, hearts or rangers. Imagine what could happen with a sustained period of success.

[CentreLine]

All I've ever wanted, all these years......

You just know Hearts will gazump us here and get one first. Right on the end of the staircase to nowhere.

Petrie, sort it out....

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How many times? It’s not a stairway to nowhere. They had the foresight to install a purpose built naughty step. Every club should have one, obviously

[Hibs4185]

Would it not be Cheaper to do it like ibrox? Habe big screens ro fill the gaps and a few hundred seats at the bottom of the screens?

Solves the Albion road problem, is a lot cheaper, completes the stadium and boosts numbers

[CentreLine]

That would be least sensible as its next to away end so you would pay millions for new seats and have a big proportion empty as segregation

Not if the corner sections were raised above the adjoining stand seating. That would create natural segregation

Mentioned it previously but Gary O’Hagan did say to me that the original design of the stands ensured that the corners can be filled in. This does take into account the shape of surrounding buildings and roads.
Id love to see it done but want to see the football continue its upwards trajectory as well.

[ruthven_raiders]

I get the hype around filling in a corner where we could but the reality is that until the demand is there the costs make zero financial sense.

It would be a complete vanity project for minimal return and for the sake of having a thousand or so extra seats filled for derbies.

And it raises the prospect of having more old firm fans to fill the seats when they are in town.

Every seat needs to pay for itself.

Agree increasing capacity won't happen till we have a waiting list for season tickets, way to go before that happens.....

[.Sean.]

Any joining up of any stands will also involve alterations to the ends of the lower tiers of the existing stands. Certainly doable but far more work involved than just bolting them together

[Pretty Boy]

I don't think there is any real way of joining the FF to the West because of how close the road runs to the stadium. The stand was designed the way it was because without the angled end it would have infringed on Albion Place. Same is true between the South and East but probably slightly easier to overcome. Celtic had a similar issue at Celtic Park but were able to have overhangs of the stand over both Janefield Street and the Eastern Necropolis so I suppose it's technically possible but would be exceptionally expensive.

The spaces between both the FF and East and the South and West are certainly big enough for some kind of development though. It would probably need some tweaks elsewhere to comply with access standard for emergency vehicles and the like but plenty clubs with filled in corners, hotels, bars etc cope with that just fine.

I think the idea of ER with all 4 corners filled in is something of a pipe dream but a bit of redevelopment would certainly make things look even better. Bear in mind the FF and South are both 30 years old now and the West nearly 25 so they will need work done at some point albeit not imminently (especially given the investment in the hospitality areas in both recently).

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

Should defo be looking to do something in the N/E corner. It’s a massive space, currently being used solely as a car park. Some sort of hospitality offering, supporters bar with balconies overlooking the pitch, hotel, or even something like Ibrox with a smallish number of seats and a larger screen above. Any of these things would look great

[WhileTheChief..]

Every seat needs to pay for itself.

Why?? I doubt we've ever been in that position in our history, so why constrain ourselves now.

Gotta stay ahead of demand. Now would be a great time to press ahead with this sort of thing if we're trying to grow as a club.

[WhileTheChief..]

I don't think there is any real way of joining the FF to the West because of how close the road runs to the stadium. .

The council happily closes off junctions and lanes in town for BS reasons.

Hibs should ask for a cycle lane to replace the road, thus giving us more space to build. They never refuse a new cycle lane.

[Jones28]

Why?? I doubt we've ever been in that position in our history, so why constrain ourselves now.

Gotta stay ahead of demand. Now would be a great time to press ahead with this sort of thing if we're trying to grow as a club.

We’ve had 6 months of relative success and you want to fill in corners?

Growing as a club does not mean gratuitous capacity extension that will cost literal millions of pounds, it means doing things like selling season tickets for the unoccupied seats in the ground.

The stadium as it is is well ahead of the demand and only occasionally supply is able to keep up.

When was the last time you couldn’t get a ticket for a game at ER?

[monarch]

We’ve had 6 months of relative success and you want to fill in corners?

Growing as a club does not mean gratuitous capacity extension that will cost literal millions of pounds, it means doing things like selling season tickets for the unoccupied seats in the ground.

The stadium as it is is well ahead of the demand and only occasionally supply is able to keep up.

When was the last time you couldn’t get a ticket for a game at ER?
The most sensible post so far.

[WhileTheChief..]

We’ve had 6 months of relative success and you want to fill in corners?

Growing as a club does not mean gratuitous capacity extension that will cost literal millions of pounds, it means doing things like selling season tickets for the unoccupied seats in the ground.

The stadium as it is is well ahead of the demand and only occasionally supply is able to keep up.

When was the last time you couldn’t get a ticket for a game at ER?

I'm not saying I want us to, but I'm not against it.

[NAE NOOKIE]

To be absolutely realistic the only real chance of redevelopment in the next few years is in the FF / East corner.

It would be far from unreasonable to imagine another 1,500 seats in that corner as part of a redevelopment that would include putting a 1st floor in the east and exit points half way up it making getting out of the stand far easier .... that would probably mean the loss of about 500 seats in the east itself .... but would still take the capacity of the stadium up to around 21,000 with the new seats in the corner.

As part of that I would also like to see the roofs of the FF and east extended towards the pitch by about a metre and a half ... making the stadium feel more enclosed and intimidating.

The whole thing would probably only cost about 10 million or so :greengrin

[tamig]

The council happily closes off junctions and lanes in town for BS reasons.

Hibs should ask for a cycle lane to replace the road, thus giving us more space to build. They never refuse a new cycle lane.

And what about the tenements? Do they just get ignored?

[CentreLine]

And what about the tenements? Do they just get ignored?

Ooow! Thinking about it, I don’t see that local residents are affected other than on match days. They currently look out in a rather attractive football stadium. The upside is that probably helps make the, already expensive, homes fractionally more affordable and goes some way to help people on to the property ladder. Filling in the corners at ER would have precisely no impact, given that the local residents would still be looking out at the same football stadium on the same footprint. No?

[Cabbage-Patch]

Looks fantastic and I hope one day it will happen but we are nowhere near upgrading the capacity of ER. We would need a season or 2 at regular capacity crowds to justify it

[tamig]

Ooow! Thinking about it, I don’t see that local residents are affected other than on match days. They currently look out in a rather attractive football stadium. The upside is that probably helps make the, already expensive, homes fractionally more affordable and goes some way to help people on to the property ladder. Filling in the corners at ER would have precisely no impact, given that the local residents would still be looking out at the same football stadium on the same footprint. No?
I'm sure any development would result in a structure occupying the space between the north west corner. Could have implications for natural light in the flats. That would obviously be a consideration of any planning application.

[RoYO!]

The most sensible post so far.

To be fair, I'm sure people said similar with the new East stand.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

28856

This was an artists impression of the proposed Straiton Stadium ground share with Hearts back in 2003. Looks way too maroon for my liking.

Plus the corners are open here too. Seems bizarre not to have it fully enclosed.

Link to the image and report here - https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/nostalgia/meadowbank-mercer-murrayfield-and-straiton-the-hibs-stadium-merry-go-round-of-the-early-nineties-3192720

[RoYO!]

Drawn with my finger! So gies a break!

Not designed to max occupancy, more just to get them filled in. People in corners could use facilities in North or East/ West stands. Would more or less be a turnstile then through the tunnel to seats. No need for expense of plumbing etc.

Straight sections are cheaper/ easier to produce than curved. Hertz main stand is folded sheet steel to make the steps yes?

Car park maintained to some degree at NE.

If you build it and all that! :D

[Billy Whizz]

28856

This was an artists impression of the proposed Straiton Stadium ground share with Hearts back in 2003. Looks way too maroon for my liking.

Plus the corners are open here too. Seems bizarre not to have it fully enclosed.

Link to the image and report here - https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/nostalgia/meadowbank-mercer-murrayfield-and-straiton-the-hibs-stadium-merry-go-round-of-the-early-nineties-3192720

Maroon and green really doesn’t mix well

[Keith_M]

Maroon and green really doesn’t mix well


"Maroon and Green,
should never be seen,
except...
...actually there is no exception"

[CentreLine]

I'm sure any development would result in a structure occupying the space between the north west corner. Could have implications for natural light in the flats. That would obviously be a consideration of any planning application.

Of course it’s only hypothetical debates, unless, of course I win that obscene amount in the euromillions thing this week. In which case planning applications would be submitted in weeks.

I’d argue that the space you speak of would have no implications for light. The present construction, with ends in place on the stands, allows negligible light to pass from one end to the contrasting small gap. Natural light is coming from the south east and progressing to set in the south west. None of that is having a changing impact for residents if the corners are filled in. It might stop a resident being able to get a limited glimpse in to a very small part of the pitch. Surely no grounds for complaint there.

Think residents might have an issue with something I’ve suggested previously. I’ve suggested, rather than building a hotel, Hibs should incorporate a soup kitchen and shelter facilities suitable for homeless people in part of a corner.

[CentreLine]

Drawn with my finger! So gies a break!

Not designed to max occupancy, more just to get them filled in. People in corners could use facilities in North or East/ West stands. Would more or less be a turnstile then through the tunnel to seats. No need for expense of plumbing etc.

Straight sections are cheaper/ easier to produce than curved. Hertz main stand is folded sheet steel to make the steps yes?

Car park maintained to some degree at NE.

If you build it and all that! :D

Great effort for finger painting 👍

[Hibs Go Bragh]

Anfield doesn't technically have the corners filled in but it looks like they've just made each stand as wide as possible until they meet. Probably a rubbish view for whoever is in those seats but it looks smart and still gives the enclosed look/feel.


Not sure if we could do something similar or if that would be easier?

[LEaston87]

"Maroon and Green,
should never be seen,
except...
...actually there is no exception"

I've always liked the Fluminense kits, the green and maroon is separated by a white line though

[WhileTheChief..]

And what about the tenements? Do they just get ignored?

You’re always quick to pick me up on things.

I’d have thought you’d have realised it was a tongue in cheek kinda post and not to be taken seriously.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Anfield doesn't technically have the corners filled in but it looks like they've just made each stand as wide as possible until they meet. Probably a rubbish view for whoever is in those seats but it looks smart and still gives the enclosed look/feel.


Not sure if we could do something similar or if that would be easier?

That's the basic route and probably the cheapest. Extend the FF to slightly overlap the east and the bottom deck of the south to slightly overlap the east .... chuck up a bit of perspex in the gap between the top deck of the south and the east and the jobs a good un giving ER a far more enclosed feel.

In the end the total build is extending the top and bottom deck of the FF and bottom deck of the south by about 5 metres each, with the roofs being extended to cover the new seats. In total the whole construction would barely come to half the length of one of the end stands, without having to put in toilets, food kiosks etc, but it would transform the look and feel of the stadium and cost relative peanuts to do.

Of course it would mean possibly having to relocate the big screens to being slung under the roofs of the FF and south .... whether the roofs could take the weight only an engineer could tell you.

[Colr]

A look at the satellite image of Easter Road tells you why filling in the north west and south east corners isn’t likely to happen. I expect the club have looked at options for the north east corner, with how successful our updated hospitality options appear to be.

Could we have the wee grassed slope back in the north-east corner?