Where does Saturday stand in the list of great Scottish Cup shocks?

[Carheenlea]

The narrative in the fall out from Saturdays Scottish Cup final was one of this being a huge shock result.

Was this really up there with a Berwick Rangers, Clyde or a Brora?

A club fighting for third up till a game previously and one of Scotlands bigger clubs, I’m not sure if it should have come as a huge shock. A surprising result perhaps, but a shock?

If I were an Aberdeen fan I might find the whole tone of the reaction to the cup win a bit disrespectful.

[Stuart93]

The narrative in the fall out from Saturdays Scottish Cup final was one of this being a huge shock result.

Was this really up there with a Berwick Rangers, Clyde or a Brora?

A club fighting for third up till a game previously and one of Scotlands bigger clubs, I’m not sure it maybe shouldn’t have come as a huge shock. A surprising result perhaps, but a shock?

If I were an Aberdeen fan I might find the whole tone of the reaction to the cup win a bit disrespectful.

To be honest I reckon the Aberdeen fans feel the same way.

The majority gave themselves next to no chance of winning on Saturday.

[Stevie Reid]

The narrative in the fall out from Saturdays Scottish Cup final was one of this being a huge shock result.

Was this really up there with a Berwick Rangers, Clyde or a Brora?

A club fighting for third up till a game previously and one of Scotlands bigger clubs, I’m not sure if it should have come as a huge shock. A surprising result perhaps, but a shock?

If I were an Aberdeen fan I might find the whole tone of the reaction to the cup win a bit disrespectful.

I'd be amazed if the Aberdeen fans feel anything other than ecstatic.

Compared to shocks of the nature of Brora and Berwick, it should be absolutely nowhere near. A team that finished 5th in the same league, that has spent a fair bit of money, managed to hold a better team inside 120 mins, and win a shootout.

But in the context of Celtic's recent trophy dominance, and Aberdeen's form for most of last season, it was undoubtedly a massive surprise.

The only way it could have entered the realm of the biggest shocks would have been if they'd done a Partick Thistle and proper pumped them, IMO.

[Centre Hawf]

I think it's a shock in the sense of form but not a shock in the grand scheme of what should be achievable from Aberdeen in general.

They're arguably the 3rd to 5th biggest club in the country and probably have the third biggest budget to go with that. I appreciate the scale is that they're closer to a team in the Championship than they are to Celtic in terms of spending but I still don't believe it's really a shock to get beat by a team within your division at all let alone one of the better ones.

If St Johnstone had made it to the final and beat them I could see the argument for it, or if a Championship side beat them it's definitely one. If Bayern lost a final to a Stuttgart or if Inter Milan lost to Lazio I wouldn't put them down as shocks. Similarly I wouldn't class Palace beating City as a shock either.

[BILLYHIBS]

Super Caley go ballistic Celtic are atrocious

[Saint Hibee]

I'm still in shock. I'd already spent the £6m in my head.

[Hibbyradge]

It's a surprise but not a shock.

Remember, the team which has been relegated beat the champions a few weeks ago so the team which finished 5th on goal difference, always had a chance.

[RIP]

We beat Celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen, Dundee United and Hearts this season.

Anyone can beat anyone on their day

[Since452]

It was a massive shock. Celtic losing a cup final always is. Especially when they were going for a treble and especially after their B team scudded them 5-1 a week or so beforehand and Aberdeen had shipped 11 goals in their last 3 games. They've been bottom of the form league since about December.

Saturday was a huge upset.

Still feels raw. Horrible way to end the season.

[marinello59]

No way it can be classed as a shock. A surprise to many of us but it was always possible. I'm baffled at the reaction to this by some.

[S4uzee]

If Hibs weren’t involved, Celtic would’ve won comfortably

[makaveli1875]

Celtic have been beaten a few times this season , they've shown they're not invincible . It's hardly 1 of the great Celtic sides . Maeda has really been the difference in alot of their wins this season , if he has an off day they suddenly don't look so great

[HoboHarry]

Pretty silly for this to be regarded as anything more than a surprise and to even mention the Berwick & Brora results as a comparative would be reeeeaaaaalllllyyyyy silly.

[Alfred E Newman]

Celtic have been beaten a few times this season , they've shown they're not invincible . It's hardly 1 of the great Celtic sides . Maeda has really been the difference in alot of their wins this season , if he has an off day they suddenly don't look so great

Aberdeen played 5 across the back, sat in and managed to stifle Celtics wide players. It made it a dreadful spectacle but 82% possession and only a handful of shots says it all. A huge amount of Celtic goals come from balls cut across the box from the likes of Maeda.
St Johnstone did the same a few weeks ago and Celtic looked devoid of ideas that day as well.
If we had played them on Saturday no doubt we would have played our usual open game and probably would have been turned over.

[NAE NOOKIE]

The fact it was such a massive shock says everything about what Celtic have done to football in this country.

It's not unreasonable to see the team who finished 5th beating the club who won the league in a final as a win for the underdog. But for it to be seen as such a massive shock shows how unhealthy the scene has become in Scotland and the gulf that now exists between Celtic and the rest.

They are so far in front financially, far more than they have ever been, the only thing you can see stopping them from winning at least 2 out of 3 trophies every season for the foreseeable future ( lets face it, usually the three ) is a massive financial input into their Glasgow bedfellows ( which would be like cutting off your head to fix a toothache ) or massive mismanagement of the resources they have.

I can't think of a single thing the other 10 clubs ( I won't include Sevco ) can do about this situation. As I've said before, even if a trillionaire took one of us over and bought and paid the players needed to do it, the second they set foot in Europe they would fall foul of UEFA's FFP rules ............. And you can guarantee Celtic and Sevco would immediately set about having FFP introduced in Scotland, and get it too.

There are only two realistic solutions to this problem ............ both of them drastic.

1) For the rest of Scottish football to get together and form a breakaway league without them and Sevco, which would attract at the very least negative interest from UEFA / FIFA.

2) For the 10 non uglies clubs to get together and agree between themselves to give up any pretence of trying to win at Celtic park and send significantly weakened teams there with instructions to pack out the 18 yard box from minute one, saving their more important players for games against teams they have a chance of picking up points against. It would also have the gratifying effect of making watching fitba at Celtic park absolutely f'ing boring .... if it isn't that already :greengrin

There is of course the 3rd option, which I have espoused on here numerous times. That being for the fans of the rest to band together and conceive a 'fans trophy' awarded to the highest finishing non uglies club every season. Whatever folk might think of it, it's a far more realistic option than 1 or 2 above will ever be. Who cares what Uglies 'fans' or fans in other countries would think or have to say about it .... if nothing else it would be a statement that we 'the fans' acknowledge the situation we now find ourselves in. That being, we play in a league full of nuts dominated by a sledgehammer.

[Jim44]

A surprise and disappointment in my opinion but not a shock along the lines of Super Caley or Brora Rangers.

[SunshineOnLeith]

I thought it was weird in the build up when they kept saying the only two shocks in the last few decades in the final were Dundee United and Motherwell, surely Hearts in 97/98 was a shock?

[JeMeSouviens]

I thought it was weird in the build up when they kept saying the only two shocks in the last few decades in the final were Dundee United and Motherwell, surely Hearts in 97/98 was a shock?

Personally I was shocked and stunned in 2016. :greengrin

[BILLYHIBS]

Pretty sure they said prematch Aberdeen 3-1 1970 and the 1990 penalty marathon were shocks well they just got another one

Spawny bassas

[SonOfDavidFrancey]

I don’t think it should be a shock (5th v 1st etc) but the other contexts (Celtic’s usual relentlessness in such finals, Aberdeen’s form in the build up) made it a big surprise.

On another level not a shock. Their name has been in the cup all year - a series of good draws when they were off form in Jan/ Feb, the sending off in the semi, Maeda’s miss.

The final was proof of the old adages: 11 v 11, men behind the ball, need everything to go right for ‘us and nothing to go right for them.

Good luck to them. They go in to the summer as cup winners and on a run of form that goes LLLD. There are big questions about Thelin I think. Midas touch luck wise (compare our luck with the cup draws) but that team looked really ropey at the end of the season.

[Hibbyradge]

11 v 11, men behind the ball, need everything to go right for ‘us, and nothing to go right for them.



Oh, marvelous, 424, 433, 532, 0898 100600, Marshall's double glazing, marvellous!

:greengrin

[Victor]

Personally I was shocked and stunned in 2016. :greengrin

Who won that year? Asking for a Hearts supporting friend.

[Since452]

The only good thing about Saturdays awful result is that it will buy Thelin a lot of time.

[He's here!]

A shock was Queen's Park knocking Rangers out at Ibrox. Saturday was simply an off day for Celtic. The exception that proves the rule that they'll normally win everything.

[Stevie Reid]

Pretty sure they said prematch Aberdeen 3-1 1970 and the 1990 penalty marathon were shocks well they just got another one

Spawny bassas

1990 definitely wasn't a shock. Aberdeen finished 2nd and Celtic were 5th, ten points behind them (on the same points as us, in 7th - we actually won two more games than them). Celtic only won 10 of 36 league games that season.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

In terms of Scottish Cup finals it was a shock, the only other one in my lifetime was Dundee Utd stopping Rangers getting a treble in the mid 90s. Cup shocks aren't that rare, but in the final they are.

[DH1875]

It wasn't a shock and while somewhat a surprise, some of us did see it coming. I'm just raging that as well as costing Hibs millions I lost my bet as had them winning in 90 minutes instead of after pens.

[OstKurve Hibs]

Wasn't really a shock, more surprising.

[Stevie Reid]

I thought it was weird in the build up when they kept saying the only two shocks in the last few decades in the final were Dundee United and Motherwell, surely Hearts in 97/98 was a shock?

It was an absolute scunner but I wouldn't go as far as to say it was a shock. It's easy to forget how scary that season was for a good while, Hearts finished seven points behind Celtic, who were champions, but they only won one of their last seven games.

Their results against the OF that season weren't good, but they did run Rangers really close in the League Cup Final the year before. Was nowhere near as surprising as Saturday's result.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

A 39 point difference between the teams over the season, I'd be certain there has never been as big a deficit between the cup winners & runners up. Albeit it was 2 pts for a win until 1994.

[Stokesy's on fire]

Was deffo a freak result and one where the winners absolutely didnt deserve the win. Biggest fluke in cup final history.

[Hibbyradge]

Was deffo a freak result and one where the winners absolutely didnt deserve the win. Biggest fluke in cup final history.

Celtc certainly didn't deserve to win. They didn't even score a goal.

[Smartie]

I’m still struggling with the idea that Brora beating a yo-yo team during one of their Championship phases was all that much of a shock.

[Eyrie]

Darvel was a far greater shock result than Brora.

[Stokesy's on fire]

Celtc certainly didn't deserve to win. They didn't even score a goal.

They should have beaten that crap they were awful

[Pagan Hibernia]

I’m still struggling with the idea that Brora beating a yo-yo team during one of their Championship phases was all that much of a shock.

:greengrin

Regarding Saturday I reckon if that final was played 100 times celtic would win 65 of them comfortably and win another 30 of them narrowly.

Unfortunately we got one of the five that's left for Aberdeen.

It's football, it happens. Celtic have been a bit complacent in the last couple of months (St Johnstone for example). It perhaps shouldn't have blindsided some of us as much as it did.

[Victor]

:greengrin

Regarding Saturday I reckon if that final was played 100 times celtic would win 65 of them comfortably and win another 30 of them narrowly.

Unfortunately we got one of the five that's left for Aberdeen.

It's football, it happens. Celtic have been a bit complacent in the last couple of months (St Johnstone for example). It perhaps shouldn't have blindsided some of us as much as it did.

A bit like Dr. Strange in “Avengers- End Game” you run millions of permutations and only one ends in a satisfactory result, fortunately this outcome didn’t result in a cataclysmic event, though reading some posters, maybe for some it did!

[WhileTheChief..]

Doesn’t come close to the likes of Berwick or Brora as a shock result.

[Bristolhibby]

Aberdeen played 5 across the back, sat in and managed to stifle Celtics wide players. It made it a dreadful spectacle but 82% possession and only a handful of shots says it all. A huge amount of Celtic goals come from balls cut across the box from the likes of Maeda.
St Johnstone did the same a few weeks ago and Celtic looked devoid of ideas that day as well.
If we had played them on Saturday no doubt we would have played our usual open game and probably would have been turned over.

Good point. Have to play to their weaknesses. Don’t see why all teams don’t play like this vs Celtic.

Takes a lot of nerve and dogged defending. They really had nothing once Aberdeen removed their flanks. Kept trying to tika taka up the middle but the 11 of Aberdeen just ate it up.

We really should be studying these losses and trying to emulate them. Mind numbing football but why not?

Especially at Parkhead.

J

[Pagan Hibernia]

Good point. Have to play to their weaknesses. Don’t see why all teams don’t play like this vs Celtic.

Takes a lot of nerve and dogged defending. They really had nothing once Aberdeen removed their flanks. Kept trying to tika taka up the middle but the 11 of Aberdeen just ate it up.

We really should be studying these losses and trying to emulate them. Mind numbing football but why not?

Especially at Parkhead.

J

Absolutely. Aberdeen also sensed nervousness and fear in the celtic team after the equaliser and looked the more dangerous team in extra time I thought.

[S4uzee]

Good point. Have to play to their weaknesses. Don’t see why all teams don’t play like this vs Celtic.

Takes a lot of nerve and dogged defending. They really had nothing once Aberdeen removed their flanks. Kept trying to tika taka up the middle but the 11 of Aberdeen just ate it up.

We really should be studying these losses and trying to emulate them. Mind numbing football but why not?

Especially at Parkhead.

J

Agreed. We just accepted defeat in the cup game at Parkhead

[JimBHibees]

Agreed. We just accepted defeat in the cup game at Parkhead

No we didn’t. It was 1 0 into injury time against fully fit and firing Celtic

[I'm_cabbaged]

Celtc certainly didn't deserve to win. They didn't even score a goal.

Neither did Aberdeen?

[Hibbyradge]

Neither did Aberdeen?

Ha true. I forgot it was 2 own goals.

[Stokesy's on fire]

Neither did Aberdeen?

They were rotten its weird team that played that bed gets a cup for their dire performance. The least worthy cup winners in cup final history and they know it themselves they know Aberdeen FC are not fit or worthy to be the champions but they will claim it because Aberdeen FC is a club with absolutley nothing special about it.

[Pagan Hibernia]

They were rotten its weird team that played that bed gets a cup for their dire performance. The least worthy cup winners in cup final history and they know it themselves they know Aberdeen FC are not fit or worthy to be the champions but they will claim it because Aberdeen FC is a club with absolutley nothing special about it.

That's one way of looking at it.

Another is that it was a masterclass of resilience against a team with at least ten times their budget.

There were very few ways that Aberdeen could have got their hands on the cup that day. Digging in, waiting for a lucky break, and taking their chance in a shootout was one of them. Aberdeen fans will look back on it with joy and see it as a monumental victory against the odds.

[Just_Jimmy]

Good point. Have to play to their weaknesses. Don’t see why all teams don’t play like this vs Celtic.

Takes a lot of nerve and dogged defending. They really had nothing once Aberdeen removed their flanks. Kept trying to tika taka up the middle but the 11 of Aberdeen just ate it up.

We really should be studying these losses and trying to emulate them. Mind numbing football but why not?

Especially at Parkhead.

JAberdeen scraped a draw in 90 minutes.

Let's not pretend it was outstanding tactics. Celtic played pish, aberdeen hung on and scraped a draw.

Then won on Penalties.

They won. Well done, but instantly forgotten by a neutral.

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[Since452]

The 5th best team in the country generally doesn't beat the best team in a cup final. Especially the Scottish Cup final. Must be incredibly rare. Total **** up by Celtic.

[Hibbyradge]

The 5th best team in the country generally doesn't beat the best team in a cup final. Especially the Scottish Cup final. Must be incredibly rare. Total **** up by Celtic.

The team in 12th position beat the team in 3rd in the English FA cup final.

[Stokesy's on fire]

The 5th best team in the country generally doesn't beat the best team in a cup final. Especially the Scottish Cup final. Must be incredibly rare. Total **** up by Celtic.

Absolutely the least worthy cup winners in football history

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Absolutely the least worthy cup winners in football history

That honour belongs to Hearts in 2006. Taken to penalties by ****ing Gretna


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[Carheenlea]

That honour belongs to Hearts in 2006. Taken to penalties by ****ing Gretna


I remember playing golf that afternoon and giving it the “couldn’t care less” narrative to anyone who brought up the topic of Scottish Cup Final.

When coming off the course and learning that a penalty shootout was imminent I don’t think anyone has packed the clubs away and arrived in clubhouse as quick ever since, but the sudden keen interest in the game was soon to prove futile.

Still the most embarrassing cup victory in the history of the tournament.