Unfashionable managers

[Hibspur]

I've never warmed to Livi as a club but David Martindale does a remarkable job there. As has John McGlynn at Falkirk. I think McGlynn had a short spell in charge of Hearts, but generally these guys never seem to be seen as serious contenders for the bigger jobs when it's reasonable to suggest they might do a better job than many of the managers who've landed these roles down the years. Why is this?

[Northernhibee]

Snobbery around the working class.

John McGlynn, Davie Martindale, Dick Campbell have all achieved promotions and had their teams overachieving (in Dick Campbell’s case in particular he’s been doing this for decades now).

It’s the most obvious thing that links the three IMO.

[SaulGoodman]

I think they’re good managers at what they do. Championship clubs, lower half Prem clubs.

I think they’re steady managers that know how to get results in Scottish leagues and they know what style of players they want to get those results.

When you get higher up the table and have teams that want European places and want to challenge European teams that’s when they start to look elsewhere.

[Alfiembra]

Agree about the snobbery, many of our own fans were less than pleased at the appointment of SDG and there were calls for a big name to get the job someone with lots of experience, knows the Scottish game. If McInness had got the job as many on here wanted it would have been accepted as a great appointment by many of the support, but now he’s a Jambo fud. There’s nowt as strange as folk.

[Hibernian Verse]

It’s the most obvious thing that links the three IMO.

Baldness? :greengrin

[He's here!]

Snobbery around the working class.

John McGlynn, Davie Martindale, Dick Campbell have all achieved promotions and had their teams overachieving (in Dick Campbell’s case in particular he’s been doing this for decades now).

It’s the most obvious thing that links the three IMO.

They're also linked by the fact they're 'uncool' Scottish baldies. Unlike 'cool' continental baldies like Guardiola, Ten Haag and Clement.

Of course SDG bucks that trend 😉

[DIXIHIBS]

Snobbery around the working class.

John McGlynn, Davie Martindale, Dick Campbell have all achieved promotions and had their teams overachieving (in Dick Campbell’s case in particular he’s been doing this for decades now).

It’s the most obvious thing that links the three IMO.

Don't think it's working class snobbery, more Scottish snobbery. Foreign managers are currently the trend. Maybe Pep Klopp etc are working class too?

[Smartie]

Snobbery around the working class.

John McGlynn, Davie Martindale, Dick Campbell have all achieved promotions and had their teams overachieving (in Dick Campbell’s case in particular he’s been doing this for decades now).

It’s the most obvious thing that links the three IMO.

Disagree with this. Young lads aren't stumbling out of Fettes and straight into top posts in football management at the expense of working class folk.

McGlynn has already had a decent sized job at Hearts. A good season at Falkirk next season and he'll be linked with Hibs, Hearts, Aberdeen, Dundee United the next time they come up (Rangers and Celtic from Falkirk being too big a step barring something remarkable).

Martindale has baggage, the same as Malky MacKay, which would be brought up and pored over if he moved clubs. I think he's quite savvy in staying where he is for as long as is possible.

It's a bit of a mystery why Campbell hasn't had a bigger job, given how well he's done at a few clubs over a few years. I suspect his strong suit is leading a part time team though and I'm pretty sure he has career interests in addition to football himself.

All 3 are definitely good managers though imo.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Disagree with this. Young lads aren't stumbling out of Fettes and straight into top posts in football management at the expense of working class folk.

McGlynn has already had a decent sized job at Hearts. A good season at Falkirk next season and he'll be linked with Hibs, Hearts, Aberdeen, Dundee United the next time they come up (Rangers and Celtic from Falkirk being too big a step barring something remarkable).

Martindale has baggage, the same as Malky MacKay, which would be brought up and pored over if he moved clubs. I think he's quite savvy in staying where he is for as long as is possible.

It's a bit of a mystery why Campbell hasn't had a bigger job, given how well he's done at a few clubs over a few years. I suspect his strong suit is leading a part time team though and I'm pretty sure he has career interests in addition to football himself.

All 3 are definitely good managers though imo.

Sure Campbell owns a recruitment agency. He probably does better with that and part time football than he would full time football in the top tier.

[TrinityHFC]

At the bigger clubs there is more expectation around being articulate and presentable to media, sponsors, higher quality players etc.

Rightly or wrongly these guys are probably all seen as lacking on that front.

[Stevie Reid]

I find it very hard to dislike Martindale. Be interesting to see if Livi are indeed a different proposition, style-wise, next season. They were miles better than County.

McGlynn seems a good egg too. If both teams come up and try to play a bit, that's no bad thing.

[overdrive]

Disagree with this. Young lads aren't stumbling out of Fettes and straight into top posts in football management at the expense of working class folk.

McGlynn has already had a decent sized job at Hearts. A good season at Falkirk next season and he'll be linked with Hibs, Hearts, Aberdeen, Dundee United the next time they come up (Rangers and Celtic from Falkirk being too big a step barring something remarkable).

Martindale has baggage, the same as Malky MacKay, which would be brought up and pored over if he moved clubs. I think he's quite savvy in staying where he is for as long as is possible.

It's a bit of a mystery why Campbell hasn't had a bigger job, given how well he's done at a few clubs over a few years. I suspect his strong suit is leading a part time team though and I'm pretty sure he has career interests in addition to football himself.

All 3 are definitely good managers though imo.

There’s probably something in what you say about Campbell and leading a part-time club. There’s probably stuff you can come in and easily/quickly change that will get a lot more out of part-time players compared to what you could change easily with full-time players. I remember reading an interview with Ian Murray when he was Dumbarton manager and they were part-time. He introduced things like giving players a simple diet plan and fitness stuff to do in their own time that made them a lot fitter. Stuff in general that professionalise them a bit more. All that stuff would likely be in place at a full-time club. With Murray, he went to a big club in St Mirren where all that and more would have been in place and he didn’t have that same impact there.

[theonlywayisup]

Snobbery around the working class.

John McGlynn, Davie Martindale, Dick Campbell have all achieved promotions and had their teams overachieving (in Dick Campbell’s case in particular he’s been doing this for decades now).

It’s the most obvious thing that links the three IMO.


Baldness? :greengrin

Does that mean SDG is unfashionable too?

[Donegal Hibby]

Would I have liked to have seen any of them getting the Hibs job in the past or the future ? Absolutely not ! We can do much better if we were looking for a manager . They have probably found a level that suits them and best left at it .
I’m not too keen on Mcglynn and can’t take to Martindale at all being two other reasons .

[Smartie]

Would I have liked to have seen any of them getting the Hibs job in the past or the future ? Absolutely not ! We can do much better if we were looking for a manager . They have probably found a level that suits them and best left at it .
I’m not too keen on Mcglynn and can’t take to Martindale at all being two other reasons .

Funnily enough, I've been quite keen on the idea of all 3 at one point or another, I quite like them all. Funny we went down the "working class snobbery" route with the thread because I think that in their own way all 3 communicate well, in a "substance over style" sort of way. They've all had great moments either in interviews, the press or on podcasts where I've definitely related to one or two of the things they've had to say.

Who we have at the moment is certainly the real deal imo, but if he were to be tempted away it would maybe harder to go to one of them than it maybe was when we were listening to chat of our defenders being chased by lions and the like.

[Donegal Hibby]

Funnily enough, I've been quite keen on the idea of all 3 at one point or another, I quite like them all. Funny we went down the "working class snobbery" route with the thread because I think that in their own way all 3 communicate well, in a "substance over style" sort of way. They've all had great moments either in interviews, the press or on podcasts where I've definitely related to one or two of the things they've had to say.

Who we have at the moment is certainly the real deal imo, but if he were to be tempted away it would maybe harder to go to one of them than it maybe was when we were listening to chat of our defenders being chased by lions and the like.

Always thought Campbell was a bit of a character and quite liked him , Mcglynn and Martindale I just could never take too , Martindale in particular. I don’t think any of them are at the level to manage a club like Hibs which is why they have been frequently overlooked when it comes to bigger jobs .

I think any club hiring a manager there’s risks to it ( a bit like buying a 2nd car) and for the manager as well as being good at their job I always think they need a fair chunk of luck as well .

In Gray’s case if Rocky hadn’t had scored that late equaliser against the dons there was probably every chance he might have lost his job , if we had then appointed a Martindale, Mcgylnn or Docherty would we have ended up having a similar good season ? Hard to say but I’d have serious doubts that we would have .

[Since452]

McGlynn almost beat Liverpool at Anfield. Liverpool neeeded a late Suarez goal to scrape past Hearts on aggregate. He's a cracking manager. Rate him highly.

[Donegal Hibby]

If Don Cowie wins promotion next season should bigger clubs be looking at him too?

[Smartie]

If Don Cowie wins promotion next season should bigger clubs be looking at him too?

Probably, yes.

Bouncing back with an immediate promotion should always be considered to be a decent achievement.

But the reason the other 3 are being discussed is because they’ve all got a bit more credit in the bank than one good season.

[Donegal Hibby]

Probably, yes.

Bouncing back with an immediate promotion should always be considered to be a decent achievement.

But the reason the other 3 are being discussed is because they’ve all got a bit more credit in the bank than one good season.

Even if he did get promotion and Gray left I’d be very disappointing if we were interested in him . Like the others I find him uninspiring and wonder if they could step up another level.

It will be interesting how these experienced managers in McGlynn and Martindale do this coming season .

[overdrive]

Even if he did get promotion and Gray left I’d be very disappointing if we were interested in him . Like the others I find him uninspiring and wonder if they could step up another level.

It will be interesting how these experienced managers in McGlynn and Martindale do this coming season .

Think they said on the TV during the first leg that Martindale had changed the style of football from the defensive style they had in the Premiership to a more expansive game in the Championship. Wonder if he’ll revert to the defensive game now they are back up.

[He's here!]

Does that mean SDG is unfashionable too?

Said it earlier, there are cool bald managers and uncool ones. SDG clearly falls into the former category.

[He's here!]

Would I have liked to have seen any of them getting the Hibs job in the past or the future ? Absolutely not ! We can do much better if we were looking for a manager . They have probably found a level that suits them and best left at it .
I’m not too keen on Mcglynn and can’t take to Martindale at all being two other reasons .

In theory, as in most roles, a manager should be able to work his way up through the levels before getting a crack at a big job if he's a success. How can we know the likes of Martindale has 'found his level' if he doesn't get a chance to prove he can do even better?

[Donegal Hibby]

Think they said on the TV during the first leg that Martindale had changed the style of football from the defensive style they had in the Premiership to a more expansive game in the Championship. Wonder if he’ll revert to the defensive game now they are back up.

Thought they were brutal to watch in the premier and looked better in the championship , wither they revert back to what they were like is a good question or maybe they’ll try a more balanced approach now . Either way I think they will struggle and the only thing that might save them is there are a few clubs going through a transitional period like Dundee , Killie and Motherwell who if they don’t get things right might be in bother too .

[Donegal Hibby]

In theory, as in most roles, a manager should be able to work his way up through the levels before getting a crack at a big job if he's a success. How can we know the likes of Martindale has 'found his level' if he doesn't get a chance to prove he can do even better?

At this stage Martindale has found his level because he’s had a bit of success, will he be able to maintain that this coming season ? I’m not so sure he will … would he be capable of stepping up a couple of levels from Livi to a club like Hibs ? Again I'm not so sure he would … certainly wouldn’t want to be the ones in chancing it after we did something similar in hiring Butcher and Duffy .

[Stevie Reid]

At this stage Martindale has found his level because he’s had a bit of success, will he be able to maintain that this coming season ? I’m not so sure he will … would he be capable of stepping up a couple of levels from Livi to a club like Hibs ? Again I'm not so sure he would … certainly wouldn’t want to be the ones in chancing it after we did something similar in hiring Butcher and Duffy .

Martindale has previously led Livi to a top six finish, and taken them to the League Cup Final. I wouldn't be underestimating them next season.

[Stevie Reid]

Think they said on the TV during the first leg that Martindale had changed the style of football from the defensive style they had in the Premiership to a more expansive game in the Championship. Wonder if he’ll revert to the defensive game now they are back up.

He said last night that what's exciting him going forward is continuing to build a team for his new outlook.

Michael Stewart said last night that he thought that Martindale looked like he'd lost his appetite for the game completely last season, but he now appears to be the exact opposite. I totally agree with that.

Brian Rice on the coaching staff too. He's generally been associated with decent footballing sides in the past. Be interesting to see if they do try and play a bit. I hope they do.

[Donegal Hibby]

Martindale has previously led Livi to a top six finish, and taken them to the League Cup Final. I wouldn't be underestimating them next season.

They’ll be favourites with the bookies to go down and it’s hard to make a case that they won’t be in serious trouble all things considered like size of club , budget , squad they have etc . They will now and again cause teams problems no doubt just like St Johnstone did last season too .

[BILLYHIBS]

He said last night that what's exciting him going forward is continuing to build a team for his new outlook.

Michael Stewart said last night that he thought that Martindale looked like he'd lost his appetite for the game completely last season, but he now appears to be the exact opposite. I totally agree with that.

Brian Rice on the coaching staff too. He's generally been associated with decent footballing sides in the past. Be interesting to see if they do try and play a bit. I hope they do.

Just been taken over by Calvin Ford great great grandson of Henry Ford who has vowed to make Livvy great again and take them back to where they belong

I rate Martindale as a Coach talks sense and thought Livingston controlled the semi against Thistle but expected the Premiership side to prevail in the playoff

Will be interesting to see how they do with quality additions

‘ I told them if we scored the next goal we’d be playing Premiership football next season’

[Stevie Reid]

They’ll be favourites with the bookies to go down and it’s hard to make a case that they won’t be in serious trouble all things considered like size of club , budget , squad they have etc . They will now and again cause teams problems no doubt just like St Johnstone did last season too .

I wouldn't be surprised if Falkirk were favourites, given Martindale's previous in the league. Looks like Livi have a decent budget and as always, recruitment will be key. Again, Martindale's record is pretty good in that regard.

[Pretty Boy]

I always argue David Moyes is about the most underrated manager in the history of EPL.

Won a lower league with Preston. He had Everton consistently flitting between 5th and 8th and took them to the Champions League qualifiers and an FA Cup Final. I think he was manager of the year in 3 or 4 of his seasons there. Saved West Ham once, went back and did it again and got them a European trophy into the bargain and has now gone back and saved Everton and improved them in just about every inconceivable way.

Aye he has a couple of flops on his CV (and when you look at Man Utd since then was he even a flop? He was far more harshly treated than others who have done worse than him but had fancier names). I'd absolutely love him to get a shot at the Scotland job when he calls time on his latest stint at Everton.

[ancient hibee]

It was sometimes said that Dick Campbell was the frontman and his twin brother Ian did the coaching. They seemed to arrive everywhere as a pair.

[Ribs1875]

Could argue there is a lot of wholesome managers out there. I think the likes of Martindale and McGlynn have hit their glass ceiling where they are. Seen so many times over the years at folk who looked good at one club, then got their move up and 9 times out of 10 turn into and disaster. To name a few, Craig Brewster, Mark Mcghee, Ray McKinnon, Terry Butcher and Craig Levein to name a few.

Anyone seen Neilson or Naismith?? There are vacant jobs at Dundee and Motherwell.

[Billy Whizz]

They’ll be favourites with the bookies to go down and it’s hard to make a case that they won’t be in serious trouble all things considered like size of club , budget , squad they have etc . They will now and again cause teams problems no doubt just like St Johnstone did last season too .

I’m not so sure. They are under new ownership, wealthy American

[HoboHarry]

I always argue David Moyes is about the most underrated manager in the history of EPL.

Won a lower league with Preston. He had Everton consistently flitting between 5th and 8th and took them to the Champions League qualifiers and an FA Cup Final. I think he was manager of the year in 3 or 4 of his seasons there. Saved West Ham once, went back and did it again and got them a European trophy into the bargain and has now gone back and saved Everton and improved them in just about every inconceivable way.

Aye he has a couple of flops on his CV (and when you look at Man Utd since then was he even a flop? He was far more harshly treated than others who have done worse than him but had fancier names). I'd absolutely love him to get a shot at the Scotland job when he calls time on his latest stint at Everton.
Never once thought he was a flop at Man U but I do think it was an error of judgement to take the job. Of course it would have been hard to decline but no-one on the planet had a hope in hell being the first after Fergie.

[jacomo]

Just been taken over by Calvin Ford great great grandson of Henry Ford who has vowed to make Livvy great again and take them back to where they belong

I rate Martindale as a Coach talks sense and thought Livingston controlled the semi against Thistle but expected the Premiership side to prevail in the playoff

Will be interesting to see how they do with quality additions

‘ I told them if we scored the next goal we’d be playing Premiership football next season’


Livi need to invest in a proper grass pitch. The surface they have is a disgrace.

[BILLYHIBS]

Livi need to invest in a proper grass pitch. The surface they have is a disgrace.

Will be done before new season please see thread

Oops another plastic affair 😂

[K-Zazu]

Well done to David Martindale, your team was excellent last night and played some really good stuff over the 2 legs.

[Tyler Durden]

He said last night that what's exciting him going forward is continuing to build a team for his new outlook.

Michael Stewart said last night that he thought that Martindale looked like he'd lost his appetite for the game completely last season, but he now appears to be the exact opposite. I totally agree with that.

Brian Rice on the coaching staff too. He's generally been associated with decent footballing sides in the past. Be interesting to see if they do try and play a bit. I hope they do.

Livi certainly played some great stuff in the past few months.

From our POV, them and Falkirk coming up and playing passing football should suit us nicely. With St Johnstone having ditched the clogger style and paid the price…..and now Ross County gone, it probably leaves St Mirren and Dundee Utd as the main industrial football type sides.

But in terms of the typical lower half teams that we’d struggle with, I’m not sure I anticipate any next season. If anything we’ve gone more direct/physical and the bottom 6 teams are gonna be passing sides.

Should be an interesting season.

[theonlywayisup]

I always argue David Moyes is about the most underrated manager in the history of EPL.

Won a lower league with Preston. He had Everton consistently flitting between 5th and 8th and took them to the Champions League qualifiers and an FA Cup Final. I think he was manager of the year in 3 or 4 of his seasons there. Saved West Ham once, went back and did it again and got them a European trophy into the bargain and has now gone back and saved Everton and improved them in just about every inconceivable way.

Aye he has a couple of flops on his CV (and when you look at Man Utd since then was he even a flop? He was far more harshly treated than others who have done worse than him but had fancier names). I'd absolutely love him to get a shot at the Scotland job when he calls time on his latest stint at Everton.

He was harshly treated at Manchester United. If I remember correctly, the only signing he made was the big Belgian who followed him from Everton. Can't remember his name, but it will come to me later no doubt.

[Tyler Durden]

He was harshly treated at Manchester United. If I remember correctly, the only signing he made was the big Belgian who followed him from Everton. Can't remember his name, but it will come to me later no doubt.

Feillani. He had been promised Fabregas haha

Albeit they later got Juan Mata too.

I think the players felt Moyes was small time. Job seemed too big for him from the start. Again it was a thankless task unless they got Ancelotti or the like at that time.

[Donegal Hibby]

I wouldn't be surprised if Falkirk were favourites, given Martindale's previous in the league. Looks like Livi have a decent budget and as always, recruitment will be key. Again, Martindale's record is pretty good in that regard.

You could be right about Falkirk being favourites though might not be that big of a difference between them on the betting. Honestly don’t know what the Livi budget will be but whatever it is they are going to need every penny of it if they are to survive .

Think it will be interesting to see who Motherwell and Dundee appoint regarding a relegation battle . If rumours are true and Maloney is one of the candidates for the Dundee job I could see them in bother if that were to happen.

[Smartie]

Feillani. He had been promised Fabregas haha

Albeit they later got Juan Mata too.

I think the players felt Moyes was small time. Job seemed too big for him from the start. Again it was a thankless task unless they got Ancelotti or the like at that time.

Whoever it was, they needed time. Ferguson had wrung every drop out of that squad and what he passed over wasn’t strong. It needed time and patience, not emptying the first guy when he failed to deliver immediate success.

The only real black mark on Moyes’ cv is Sunderland. He made a huge contribution to their years in the doldrums.

That aside, I think he’s a great manager with a very impressive cv. What he achieved at West Ham was phenomenal. He was probably just a bit too dour, his football too pragmatic for the more romantic element within their support to ever really take to. History will judge him well there though.

He’d be a fantastic Scotland manager imo.

[Jamesie]

Not a fan of Martindale whatsoever. It makes me shudder to think that some Hibs fans were calling for him to replace SDG at an earlier point in the season past.

I’m not a fan of the guy one bit and anyone trying to equate his “baggage” to that of Malky Mackay needs to have a word with themselves.

Martindale does well at Livingston in a very unique set of circumstances which would not exist at any other club. It’ll be interesting to see if Henry Ford’s great-grandson, the new owner, will be content with that state of affairs in the long run.

Mind you, I’d be delighted if Martindale was ever offered the Rangers job!

[B.H.F.C]

Some managers just suit certain places. Certain expectations, certain resources, certain ways of doing things. They make a career for themselves being good at doing a certain kind of job well.

I think Robinson at St Mirren might be another one that is similar in that sense. He gets everything out of players that he can doing things a certain way. If you put him in to a bigger club, with a bigger budget, bigger expectations and with players who think they’re better than his way, then the results won’t necessarily be the same.

[silverhibee]

In theory, as in most roles, a manager should be able to work his way up through the levels before getting a crack at a big job if he's a success. How can we know the likes of Martindale has 'found his level' if he doesn't get a chance to prove he can do even better?

I doubt we will ever find out, Martindale will never manage bigger than Livi and would seem he is untouchable at the club, how long has he been there now 10- 15 years.

[HFC93]

A lot of hate Martindale gets is middle class snobbery.

[Northernhibee]

A lot of hate Martindale gets is middle class snobbery.

I was watching a good long interview with him recently on YouTube and he’s a very interesting guy, inspiring even.

I think his accent is a big reason why he’s not taken as seriously, he’s very much of a working class background and just the same as a couple of names I’ve mentioned before I think some people tend to look down on that.

[silverhibee]

It was sometimes said that Dick Campbell was the frontman and his twin brother Ian did the coaching. They seemed to arrive everywhere as a pair.

Dick doesn’t look like he has aged in the last 20 years.

[Stonewall]

Never once thought he was a flop at Man U but I do think it was an error of judgement to take the job. Of course it would have been hard to decline but no-one on the planet had a hope in hell being the first after Fergie.

i agree. Moyes is also a manager who has done best when given a long tenure in the job. I think that if he had been given time at Man Utd he would have made a success of it.

However Man Utd were more worried about their share price than taking a long term view of club development and they shat the bed and fired him. Ferguson should be ashamed of himself.

[HoboHarry]

i agree. Moyes is also a manager who has done best when given a long tenure in the job. I think that if he had been given time at Man Utd he would have made a success of it.

However Man Utd were more worried about their share price than taking a long term view of club development and they shat the bed and fired him. Ferguson should be ashamed of himself.

I don't recall Fergie being that one that led getting Moyes fired, in fact I seem to recall they didnt officially involve Fergie in appointing managers after Moyes. I might be wildly wrong but that's what I recall.

[TrinityHFC]

I was watching a good long interview with him recently on YouTube and he’s a very interesting guy, inspiring even.

I think his accent is a big reason why he’s not taken as seriously, he’s very much of a working class background and just the same as a couple of names I’ve mentioned before I think some people tend to look down on that.

His being jailed for his involvement in organised crime might have more to do with it in his case?

[Musselbound]

Dick doesn’t look like he has aged in the last 20 years.

That's because he already looked 70 at the time.

[Yorkshire HFC]

His being jailed for his involvement in organised crime might have more to do with it in his case?

For which he has paid the penalty. I applaud Livingston for giving him a second chance and him for taking it. I hope he keeps doing well at Livingston.

I know not everyone agrees with that - but he needs to have a job - why not in football?

[Musselbound]

I don't recall Fergie being that one that led getting Moyes fired, in fact I seem to recall they didnt officially involve Fergie in appointing managers after Moyes. I might be wildly wrong but that's what I recall.

As I remember it Fergie had a big say in appointing Moyes but I'm not sure about the sacking either. I do agree with Stonewall that Moyes should have got more tome though. Especially when you see how things have turned out since. They seemed to expect a seamless transition.

[BILLYHIBS]

I can mind Fergie long touted Alex McLeish as his successor at United but I think the ginger one had long blotted his copy book by the time the position became vacant and Moyes became the chosen one

Anyway I think Martindale will do well this time in the Premiership has them playing some good fitba and for each other and with decent additions who knows ?

[JimBHibees]

If Don Cowie wins promotion next season should bigger clubs be looking at him too?

Would be surprised if he wasn't punted

[Donegal Hibby]

For which he has paid the penalty. I applaud Livingston for giving him a second chance and him for taking it. I hope he keeps doing well at Livingston.

I know not everyone agrees with that - but he needs to have a job - why not in football?

Didn’t like the help he got in landing the job but I suppose that was the kind of people he was associating with then…

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-record/20210128/281496458952992?srsltid=AfmBOorPmRyj-_DiIRDWmA3GSkX7Ckeb0DgogRdlZSiN2ZQC52KIxOhE

[Northernhibee]

Dick doesn’t look like he has aged in the last 20 years.

Aye, but he looked seventy twenty years ago!