View Full Version : This ****ING "cup winners get priority in Europe" GARBAGE rule.
SHODAN
24-05-2025, 04:54 PM
Get rid of this archaic *****. TWICE now it's done us over.
Oh, and I ****ing hate Celtic more than I ever have now. I hope those ***** are hurting.
Allyg69
24-05-2025, 04:57 PM
It's unreal that winning a cup gets a bigger prize than playing well for a whole season.
My dislike for Celtic has elevated to its highest level in history.
Unseen work
24-05-2025, 04:59 PM
Cost us millions.
Really feel for the club, management and players
givescotlandfreedom
24-05-2025, 04:59 PM
**** celtic
FastEddieFelson
24-05-2025, 05:00 PM
The prize is the prize. And has been since the start of the season. As gutted as I am, Aberdeen deserve it, so well done to them.
LunasBoots
24-05-2025, 05:01 PM
Ahwell those hopes of some decent new players for our European campaign go on the backfoot. Only in Scotland.
ThisIsTheYear
24-05-2025, 05:01 PM
We are jinxed as a club…..
danhibees1875
24-05-2025, 05:03 PM
Ahwell those hopes of some decent new players for our European campaign go on the backfoot. Only in Scotland.
Is it only in Scotland?
GreenNWhiteArmy
24-05-2025, 05:05 PM
Is it not that the cup winners MUST take the most advanced euro spot beyond champs league?
It is what it is. Sheep executed their gameplan and reap the rewards as devastating as that is for us
LewysGot2
24-05-2025, 05:06 PM
Is it only in Scotland?
No
JimBHibees
24-05-2025, 05:07 PM
My dislike for Celtic has elevated to its highest level in history.
Yep. The rule has been known all season so can't really complain.
CapitalGreen
24-05-2025, 05:07 PM
Is it only in Scotland?
No, it’s a UEFA rule.
Chorley Hibee
24-05-2025, 05:07 PM
We are jinxed as a club…..
In the last 5 years, Hibs have finished third twice.
Both times that hasn't been enough to make the group stages in Europe.
Every other team that has finished third in that time frame (Hearts, Aberdeen) have qualified for the group stages.
I saw it coming a ****ing mile off.
About as sick as I've felt over a result not involving Hibs.
SickBoy32
24-05-2025, 05:07 PM
As much as it’s screwed us over today, it is without doubt the correct rule IMO.
The Scottish Cup is where the true glory is, and it deserves to have an appropriate reward.
3rd is well, just 3rd.
The Spaceman
24-05-2025, 05:07 PM
Well we just needed to win the Scottish Cup then. We didn’t. Aberdeen did. **** happens.
JimBHibees
24-05-2025, 05:07 PM
We are jinxed as a club…..
:faf:
chrisski33
24-05-2025, 05:07 PM
Tbh we wouldn't be saying this if it had been us who won the cup. At least we finished 3rd and still in Europe, who would have saidbthat 7 months ago?
hibstag
24-05-2025, 05:08 PM
The prize is the prize. And has been since the start of the season. As gutted as I am, Aberdeen deserve it, so well done to them.
This I'm disappointed too but we went out the cup to Celtic and the euro qualification that offered. Aberdeen set up to bounce Celtic in the final and it worked,
It’s only cost us millions if we don’t make the group stages through what is a more tricky and longer route.
Keith_M
24-05-2025, 05:09 PM
Them's the rules, so we just have to live with it.
Too many people taking a Celtc win as a given.
Just_Jimmy
24-05-2025, 05:09 PM
As much as it’s screwed us over today, it is without doubt the correct rule IMO.
The Scottish Cup is where the true glory is, and it deserves to have an appropriate reward.
3rd is well, just 3rd.It does have an appropriate reward, it has the ****ing Scottish Cup...
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ShetlandHibby
24-05-2025, 05:09 PM
As much as it’s screwed us over today, it is without doubt the correct rule IMO.
The Scottish Cup is where the true glory is, and it deserves to have an appropriate reward.
3rd is well, just 3rd.
3rd is just 2nd loser so I agree. Gutting but they’ve actually won a cup. We won nothing
LewysGot2
24-05-2025, 05:10 PM
As much as it’s screwed us over today, it is without doubt the correct rule IMO.
The Scottish Cup is where the true glory is, and it deserves to have an appropriate reward.
3rd is well, just 3rd.
And if in 2016 that had been the prize we'd not have given a monkeys either- and we were a Championship side not a top 6 side that had already qualified for Europe.
Get it that folk are disappointed but...
OstKurve Hibs
24-05-2025, 05:10 PM
Absolutely gutted aswell obviously but we all know the prizes at the start of the season.
Its a garbage rule but it is what it is.
Mcbizz1998
24-05-2025, 05:10 PM
As much as it’s screwed us over today, it is without doubt the correct rule IMO.
The Scottish Cup is where the true glory is, and it deserves to have an appropriate reward.
3rd is well, just 3rd.
Nah. The reward is winning the ****ing Scottish cup.
Europe should go to best teams over course of a season.
Paulie Walnuts
24-05-2025, 05:11 PM
Na, I’m fine with it. The rule only really impacts non old firm teams and for all of us the cup is the ultimate prize.
It certainly feels like we’re cursed though.
Paulie Walnuts
24-05-2025, 05:12 PM
Nah. The reward is winning the ****ing Scottish cup.
Europe should go to best teams over course of a season.
Why?
Europe is cup competition. Why shouldn’t at least one place go to the best cup team? The best league placings already get the first two.
Pagan Hibernia
24-05-2025, 05:12 PM
Such is life as a hibee. Absolutely buzzing. Then heartbroken. It really is a hard slog sometimes.
This has likely cost us millions of pounds.
LewysGot2
24-05-2025, 05:12 PM
At least Aberdeen won that semi final- just saying 😉
For any bottom 6 teams playing league cup group stages in July looking in 😉
Pretty Boy
24-05-2025, 05:13 PM
The rule exists all over Europe. Moaning about it now just looks pitiful.
Whether I agree with it or not is irrelevant, Aberdeen done what they needed to do. We done all we could.
Billy Bunter 07
24-05-2025, 05:14 PM
It does have an appropriate reward, it has the ****ing Scottish Cup...
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Which itself is more prestigious than coming third so correctly gets the higher rewards.
Still an absolute sickener mind you.
DH1875
24-05-2025, 05:14 PM
Some folks really do need to get over themselves.
neil7908
24-05-2025, 05:15 PM
Absolutely spewing at that. How much BS does this club have to deal with?
And how the **** did Celtic mess that up?
Just_Jimmy
24-05-2025, 05:15 PM
Which itself is more prestigious than coming third so correctly gets the higher rewards.
Still an absolute sickener mind you.It has the trophy and history books of winning it that season. It shouldn't be above league placing over the season. It just shouldn't.
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NAE NOOKIE
24-05-2025, 05:17 PM
It is what it is and if it had been us we would have been cock a hoop with it.
As another poster said, I don't think it's possible that I could hate Celtic football club any more than I do right now ..... absolutely f'ing hate them.
SunshineOnLeith
24-05-2025, 05:17 PM
Sickener for us but Aberdeen won the cup, so they deserve it.
Billy Bunter 07
24-05-2025, 05:17 PM
It has the trophy and history books of winning it that season. It shouldn't be above league placing over the season. It just shouldn't.
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I disagree, but fair do's.
TrumpIsAPeado
24-05-2025, 05:17 PM
Absolutely spewing at that. How much BS does this club have to deal with?
And how the **** did Celtic mess that up?
It wasn't Celtic's responsibility to get us into the group stages. It's still on us whether we get there or not. People need to dry their eyes.
JimBHibees
24-05-2025, 05:17 PM
The rule exists all over Europe. Moaning about it now just looks pitiful.
Whether I agree with it or not is irrelevant, Aberdeen done what they needed to do. We done all we could.
Yep can't really moan about a rule known about all season. Aberdeens penalties were very good and Celtic had three shots on target. Celtics subs clearly weakened the team
NC1875
24-05-2025, 05:17 PM
In the last 5 years, Hibs have finished third twice.
Both times that hasn't been enough to make the group stages in Europe.
Every other team that has finished third in that time frame (Hearts, Aberdeen) have qualified for the group stages.
I saw it coming a ****ing mile off.
About as sick as I've felt over a result not involving Hibs.
Yip, throw in the fact we drew Celtic in both cups while finishing 3rd and it’s almost unbelievable.
Fair play Aberdeen, went and done what they needed to do to win the game.
Let’s just build on finishing 3rd and hopefully we’re in the same situation next season while also being in the Scottish cup final.
CapitalGreen
24-05-2025, 05:17 PM
It has the trophy and history books of winning it that season. It shouldn't be above league placing over the season. It just shouldn't.
Should 4th place have a higher Euro placing than the cup aswell?
Mrimbetween
24-05-2025, 05:18 PM
Gutted, the financial implications alone is a sore one Means we will be back to bargain basement signings as opposed to marquee ones
Ah well got some Euro trips to look forward to
JimBHibees
24-05-2025, 05:19 PM
At least Aberdeen won that semi final- just saying 😉
For any bottom 6 teams playing league cup group stages in July looking in 😉
Only minor positive
Silky
24-05-2025, 05:20 PM
Such is life as a hibee. Absolutely buzzing. Then heartbroken. It really is a hard slog sometimes.
This has likely cost us millions of pounds.
Both Hibs and Aberdeen have played Celtic in the cup. They beat them, we didn't. Maybe the fact that we didn't was what 'likely cost us millions".
AgentDaleCooper
24-05-2025, 05:20 PM
Gutted, but if it was who'd won the cup we'd feel different. Apart from anything else, it maintains the importance of the cup as a competition, which is a good thing given the league will always go to one of the uglies.
Jim44
24-05-2025, 05:21 PM
We are the only losers today. Aberdeen have a major success, despite being horse***t, it’s neither here nor there to Celtic but we lose millions.
Steve20
24-05-2025, 05:21 PM
If you win the cup, you deserve it. So fair play Aberdeen.
We just have to hope the club spend decent money this summer. Because Hearts and Aberdeen both have money and if our owners don’t put it in, we are done next season.
LewysGot2
24-05-2025, 05:22 PM
Only minor positive
Can't imagine how it would be if THAT had happened...
Montford
24-05-2025, 05:22 PM
It’s no consolation but at least we have 2 pops at group stage.. if we get papped out Europa we drop into the Conference
Realistically the conference play offs should be the minimum we achieve
3 home ties
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SaulGoodman
24-05-2025, 05:22 PM
Both Hibs and Aberdeen have played Celtic in the cup. They beat them, we didn't. Maybe the fact that we didn't was what 'likely cost us millions".
We played them at Celtic Park twice though. I’d rather take my chances playing them at Hampden.
JohnM1875
24-05-2025, 05:23 PM
Disagree. Winning the cup, especially up here is an unreal achievement.
It is what it is. We benefitted from it when we won it in 2016, no one was complaining then.
Jones28
24-05-2025, 05:23 PM
Why don’t the cup winners get the European position that we now find ourselves in? I don’t begrudge it to them, but it seems mental that you can finish third and get ****ed over by a team winning a cup.
SaulGoodman
24-05-2025, 05:23 PM
If you win the cup, you deserve it. So fair play Aberdeen.
We just have to hope the club spend decent money this summer. Because Hearts and Aberdeen both have money and if our owners don’t put it in, we are done next season.
Are you a ****ing parrot? You did the same thing telling us Aberdeen would finish third on every thread you could.
Just_Jimmy
24-05-2025, 05:24 PM
Should 4th place have a higher Euro placing than the cup aswell?Yes. Its over a full league season, not 12 or whatever games.
I dont really believe cups should have a euro place at all tbh. You get the reward of the trophy. If you really want it, give it the lowest place and remove that from the league unless a team in a euro place wins the cup.
For what its worth, id rather win the cup than finish 3rd. Europe or not.
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NC1875
24-05-2025, 05:25 PM
Both Hibs and Aberdeen have played Celtic in the cup. They beat them, we didn't. Maybe the fact that we didn't was what 'likely cost us millions".
Aberdeen could play that game 20 times and lose 19 of them.
One of they days. We move on and look forward to the qualifiers.
GGTTH
Pagan Hibernia
24-05-2025, 05:25 PM
American Kev will be pleased.
Mcbizz1998
24-05-2025, 05:27 PM
Why?
Europe is cup competition. Why shouldn’t at least one place go to the best cup team? The best league placings already get the first two.
Presumably they should want the best teams from each country playing in Europe? Now we have a team that finished 5th, who are absolutely ****, flunking their way into Europe over the team that finished 3rd over a 38 game league campaign.
Nah, that’s absolute *****.
TrinityHFC
24-05-2025, 05:28 PM
Are you a ****ing parrot? You did the same thing telling us Aberdeen would finish third on every thread you could.
He hates Hibs. Ignore him.
Broxburn Greens
24-05-2025, 05:28 PM
Gutted but it’s not like we didn’t know this could happen. Just be thankful the sheep knocked out Hearts on their way or it could’ve been a lot more gut wrenching today.
As for it being a garbage rule, nah sorry but it’s only garbage now because some feel hard done by when we haven’t been hard done by at all, we’ve got the place we earned, it’s just rotten luck that the one time a club outside the OF wins the cup it’s us that lose the added benefit of getting the cup winners slot in the Europa play off round by way of that spot being handed down.
No one would be calling it garbage had Celtic won.
The Spaceman
24-05-2025, 05:29 PM
I think fair play Aberdeen. I’m gutted for us, but the Scottish Cup (quite rightly) outranks third place and they’ve just beaten Celtic on the grand stage to do it. I (very wrongly) thought it was a given Celtic would win. They’ll enjoy the spoils and we will hopefully do it the hard way - either way, will enjoy our time in Europe whilst the Jambottlers are in Arbroath 😎.
lucky
24-05-2025, 05:30 PM
Well done Aberdeen. Winners get prizes. We finished third, which was great, but we have to qualify for ourselves
B.H.F.C
24-05-2025, 05:30 PM
To put a positive spin on it (I know), we’ve not actually lost anything today. We’ve still got the prize we had for finishing third. Just means we get a trip in July instead of August.
Still pish though.
Billy Bunter 07
24-05-2025, 05:30 PM
Presumably they should want the best teams from each country playing in Europe? Now we have a team that finished 5th, who are absolutely ****, flunking their way into Europe over the team that finished 3rd over a 38 game league campaign.
Nah, that’s absolute *****.
More difficult to win the cup than finishing third.
Broxburn Greens
24-05-2025, 05:32 PM
To put a positive spin on it (I know), we’ve not actually lost anything today. We’ve still got the prize we had for finishing third. Just means we get a trip in July instead of August.
Still pish though.
This is exactly where I’m at now I’ve calmed down.
Another positive is we didnt sign McGowan.
Dont know where to begin.
SaulGoodman
24-05-2025, 05:36 PM
More difficult to win the cup than finishing third.
Because beating Elgin, Dunfermline, Queens Park, Hearts and a one off game against Celtic is undoubtedly more difficult than finishing third..
Paulie Walnuts
24-05-2025, 05:36 PM
Presumably they should want the best teams from each country playing in Europe? Now we have a team that finished 5th, who are absolutely ****, flunking their way into Europe over the team that finished 3rd over a 38 game league campaign.
Nah, that’s absolute *****.
Why?
Winning the Scottish cup is harder than finishing third.
Posh Swanny
24-05-2025, 05:36 PM
If you win the cup, you deserve it. So fair play Aberdeen.
We just have to hope the club spend decent money this summer. Because Hearts and Aberdeen both have money and if our owners don’t put it in, we are done next season.
Aberdeen and Hearts had all these squillions from group stage football for the last three years and both have got worse.
Just_Jimmy
24-05-2025, 05:38 PM
Why?
Winning the Scottish cup is harder than finishing third.It isn't. You play 5 games, a few teams you're expected to beat, a decent draw and you can avoid the old firm altogether or win a one off game at home or hampden.
Much harder to be good over a full league season.
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Roxyhibee
24-05-2025, 05:38 PM
Always considered it a stupid rule. In our SPL, 3rd should get a higher Euro bonanza, because you’ve shown to be the best of the rest, therefore you’re better placed than any team below you to represent your country on a European stage. Any team outwith the Uglies winning the Scottish cup can be very random based on a handful of games and getting your hands on it is a lifetime reward enough.
B.H.F.C
24-05-2025, 05:40 PM
It isn't. You play 5 games, a few teams you're expected to beat, a decent draw and you can avoid the old firm altogether or win a one off game at home or hampden.
Much harder to be good over a full league season.
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Finished in the top 3 a lot more than we’ve won the Scottish Cup though.
BoomtownHibees
24-05-2025, 05:42 PM
It isn't. You play 5 games, a few teams you're expected to beat, a decent draw and you can avoid the old firm altogether or win a one off game at home or hampden.
Much harder to be good over a full league season.
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Wonder why we’ve no won the cup more often
Nakedmanoncrack
24-05-2025, 05:43 PM
It isn't. You play 5 games, a few teams you're expected to beat, a decent draw and you can avoid the old firm altogether or win a one off game at home or hampden.
Much harder to be good over a full league season.
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Yes, its piss easy, we do it all the time 🤣
Roxyhibee
24-05-2025, 05:43 PM
Finished in the top 3 a lot more than we’ve won the Scottish Cup though.
Well - that’s because third place is always there and someone outwith the big two has to ‘win’ it. Complete opposite of winning a cup.
Speedy
24-05-2025, 05:46 PM
Yip, throw in the fact we drew Celtic in both cups while finishing 3rd and it’s almost unbelievable.
Fair play Aberdeen, went and done what they needed to do to win the game.
Let’s just build on finishing 3rd and hopefully we’re in the same situation next season while also being in the Scottish cup final.
Drawing Celtic in the league cup was down to our own complacency.
In the Scottish, Aberdeen beat them while we didn't.
Gutted. And a bit furious about Celtic's performance. But we can't take it away from Aberdeen or bemoan our back luck in the cups.
B.H.F.C
24-05-2025, 05:48 PM
Well - that’s because third place is always there and someone outwith the big two has to ‘win’ it. Complete opposite of winning a cup.
Is the Scottish Cup no there some years?
Montford
24-05-2025, 05:50 PM
It isn't. You play 5 games, a few teams you're expected to beat, a decent draw and you can avoid the old firm altogether or win a one off game at home or hampden.
Much harder to be good over a full league season.
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How many times did we finish 1st, 2nd or 3rd in 115 years compared to Scottish Cup Wins?
Its patently obvious winning the Cup is harder
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Drawing Celtic in the league cup was down to our own complacency.
In the Scottish, Aberdeen beat them while we didn't.
Gutted. And a bit furious about Celtic's performance. But we can't take it away from Aberdeen or bemoan our back luck in the cups.
Aberdeen drew with them with 20 odd thousand fans helping them. Then won the pens lottery.
We got drawn away. So unlucky.
Del Boy
24-05-2025, 05:50 PM
As much as it’s screwed us over today, it is without doubt the correct rule IMO.
The Scottish Cup is where the true glory is, and it deserves to have an appropriate reward.
3rd is well, just 3rd.
Correct
B.H.F.C
24-05-2025, 05:53 PM
Aberdeen drew with them with 20 odd thousand fans helping them. Then won the pens lottery.
We got drawn away. So unlucky.
The one thing you have to give Aberdeen is that their penalties were deadly. I know it gets called a lottery but when you hit them like that it’s less so.
Pagan Hibernia
24-05-2025, 05:55 PM
We can't have nice things.
ED Hibee
24-05-2025, 05:55 PM
I’m not that fussed about the rule. I am just fed up that this is the last chance in the next few years for 3rd placed or cup winners to get directly into group stages. As Scottish coefficient is going to fall over the next few years will lose a space in Europe and also any club finishing 3rd will have to go through 2-3 qualifying rounds before guaranteeing group football. All largely due to the rubbish performance of Celtic, Hearts and others in Europe over the past few years!
He's here!
24-05-2025, 05:56 PM
Get rid of this archaic *****. TWICE now it's done us over.
Oh, and I ****ing hate Celtic more than I ever have now. I hope those ***** are hurting.
Nothing archaic about it. Look at how much the 2016 win meant to us - and we were hardly quibbling about qualifying for Europe as a Championship side.
The focus of any frustration today should be Celtic, not the rules.
Roxyhibee
24-05-2025, 05:56 PM
Is the Scottish Cup no there some years?
The point is a cup can be a much more randomly won event, whereas getting 3rd place in the league certainly is not and proves without any debate much stronger quality in a team but must be won by someone.
Booked4Being-Ugly
24-05-2025, 06:01 PM
Another positive is we didnt sign McGowan.
Dont know where to begin.
Yeah, 1M for that, dodged a bullet.
Just_Jimmy
24-05-2025, 06:02 PM
Yes, its piss easy, we do it all the time [emoji1787]Im not saying its easy, im saying it shouldn't be regarded as better than the team finishing 3rd over the season. That's not hard to comprehend
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Just_Jimmy
24-05-2025, 06:03 PM
How many times did we finish 1st, 2nd or 3rd in 115 years compared to Scottish Cup Wins?
Its patently obvious winning the Cup is harder
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIts not a measure of a better team. It just isnt.
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CapitalGreen
24-05-2025, 06:07 PM
Its not a measure of a better team. It just isnt.
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It’s not awarded on the basis of who is the best team, it’s awarded on the basis of who wins the cup. It’s the European Place which used to enter the Cup Winners Cup before the tournaments were amalgamated. Had the tournaments not amalgamated, the Europa League place would not exist. The Cup Winners Cup was regarded as more prestigious than the UEFA Cup.
HibeeHendo
24-05-2025, 06:09 PM
All Schmeichel had to do was catch a ball and everything would have been fine.
BoomtownHibees
24-05-2025, 06:09 PM
The point is a cup can be a much more randomly won event, whereas getting 3rd place in the league certainly is not and proves without any debate much stronger quality in a team but must be won by someone.
Na, actually winning the league over a season is obviously a lot more successful than someone winning a cup. Finishing third however, can’t agree
Bristolhibby
24-05-2025, 06:09 PM
This is sounding a bit like people moaning at Spurs getting the champions league spot.
We all knew the score before a ball was kicked.
We took somebody’s slot in 2016 (I know we were both in the championship but the point stands).
Maybe we should have tried harder vs Celtic!
We had two ****ty draws in both Cups. Let’s get a kind one for Europe please football gods.
J
AFKA5814_Hibs
24-05-2025, 06:16 PM
I don't have an issue with Scottish Cup winners getting the better prize. We've only won it three times in 150 years, it's bloody difficult especially in this country to win the national cup, so should get you the priority over 3rd place in the league.
It's just so frustrating today that we all expected Celtc to win and had pretty much made up our minds group stage was a gimme, but it was always out of our hands.
Roxyhibee
24-05-2025, 06:17 PM
Na, actually winning the league over a season is obviously a lot more successful than someone winning a cup. Finishing third however, can’t agree
Remember, the discussion is about gaining a European windfall based on merit.
Not how successful you feel about winning a cup. That’s different
B.H.F.C
24-05-2025, 06:26 PM
The point is a cup can be a much more randomly won event, whereas getting 3rd place in the league certainly is not and proves without any debate much stronger quality in a team but must be won by someone.
The original post I responded to said it’s easier to win the cup. We’ve won the cup 3 times in 150 years. We’ve finished in the top 3 a lot more than that, so I don’t think it is easier to win the cup. Or if it is, we’ve certainly not shown it.
I think we are a better side than Aberdeen but it’s not as if we finished 25 points in front of them and they also have a cup, unfortunately.
Roxyhibee
24-05-2025, 06:29 PM
Na, actually winning the league over a season is obviously a lot more successful than someone winning a cup. Finishing third however, can’t agree
Remember, the discussion is about gaining a European windfall based on merit.
Not how successful you feel about winning a cup. That’s different
danhibees1875
24-05-2025, 06:37 PM
It isn't. You play 5 games, a few teams you're expected to beat, a decent draw and you can avoid the old firm altogether or win a one off game at home or hampden.
Much harder to be good over a full league season.
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It's certainly an interesting question as to which is harder. Understandable why the immediate thought would be the league but undeniable that we've finished 3rd, or better, more than we've won the cup - I assume almost every club in Scotland could say the same...
You don't need to be good over the full season though. We showed that.
Hibs failed to win 23 times in the league, we won less than 40% of our league games - Aberdeen won* all their cup games.
*cup games are binary, win or lose.
chrisski33
24-05-2025, 06:38 PM
Ffs some folk sound like we have been kicked out of Europe already! We haven't! Still in it and didnt look like we would 7/8 months ago! At least Aberdeen beat Hearts in the semi and imagine how maddening it would be if it had been Hearts who won today and had group stage games in Europe?
Nicho87
24-05-2025, 06:43 PM
Dave cormack having a slight gloat about other clubs were planning where they were going in Europe etc
Jesus
Unseen work
24-05-2025, 06:46 PM
Ffs some folk sound like we have been kicked out of Europe already! We haven't! Still in it and didnt look like we would 7/8 months ago! At least Aberdeen beat Hearts in the semi and imagine how maddening it would be if it had been Hearts who won today and had group stage games in Europe?
People are just massively gutted
The thought of European football until Christmas, extra 6 million or so from Europe and the potential calibre of signings we could get.
All diminished massively because of that result today
We can still get group stage, but we would have to get extremely good draws and play unbelievably well in all of them to stand a chance
Trinity Hibee
24-05-2025, 06:47 PM
Dave cormack having a slight gloat about other clubs were planning where they were going in Europe etc
Jesus
Dave Cormack can’t be taken seriously by anyone. Guy was in tears at ER after 6-0 😂😂
JohnM1875
24-05-2025, 06:50 PM
A team will always finish third. Very very rare a team out with the OF win the Scottish Cup.
Not In The Know
24-05-2025, 06:51 PM
We are jinxed as a club…..
lol. To win the league cup??
yer cardigans got gravy on it mate.
1959 Hibby
24-05-2025, 06:54 PM
It’s not Aberdeen’s fault that Celtic were utterly toothless on the day: they’ve won the cup by beating the champions so they deserve what they get. It’s bitterly disappointing for us, but we shouldn’t fall into the trap of expecting either of the ugly sisters to do us favours
JohnM1875
24-05-2025, 06:55 PM
It’s not Aberdeen’s fault that Celtic were utterly toothless on the day: they’ve won the cup by beating the champions so they deserve what they get. It’s bitterly disappointing for us, but we shouldn’t fall into the trap of expecting either of the ugly sisters to do us favours
Exactly. Not Aberdeen's fault and not ours.
My hatred for Celtic has only intensified.
****. Subhuman ****
B.H.F.C
24-05-2025, 06:57 PM
Dave cormack having a slight gloat about other clubs were planning where they were going in Europe etc
Jesus
Shoe on other foot and we might be saying the same. I think we all thought we were getting it, most at the club included. Just need to do it the hard way.
Onion
24-05-2025, 07:05 PM
I don't have an issue with Scottish Cup winners getting the better prize. We've only won it three times in 150 years, it's bloody difficult especially in this country to win the national cup, so should get you the priority over 3rd place in the league.
It's just so frustrating today that we all expected Celtc to win and had pretty much made up our minds group stage was a gimme, but it was always out of our hands.
As a Hibby, I feel pretty gutted after today. Hibs efforts to get the prized 3rd place in the league took incredible courage, drive and performances week after week in the face of huge pressure.
To be an Aberdeen fan tonight, sitting with the Scottish Cup, beating Celtic at Hampden, and looking forward to Euro trips until Xmas must be amazing. One match has effectively won them the Cup and 3rd place in the league.
GreenCastle
24-05-2025, 07:24 PM
It’s does raise two interesting points;
1) what’s a reasonable Euro reward for 3rd in Scotland ?
2) whats your ranking of possible achievements with Hibs?
League Champs
Scottish Cup winners
2nd in League or League Cup Winners (probably league cup winners)
3rd in league
Long way behind, 4th in league
Trinity Hibee
24-05-2025, 07:26 PM
It’s does raise two interesting points;
1) what’s a reasonable Euro reward for 3rd in Scotland ?
2) whats your ranking of possible achievements with Hibs?
League Champs
Scottish Cup winners
2nd in League or League Cup Winners (probably league cup winners)
3rd in league
Long way behind, 4th in league
I’d rather Hibs win either cup ahead of any European rewards. End of
I’d rather Hibs win either cup ahead of any European rewards. End of
Correct, 1st and 2nd place get priority over cup winners in terms of European place. As much as it stings, I personally think Scottish cup winners should get priority over 3rd place. I know what I would rather.
Annoying as we must be one of the most unluckiest clubs when it comes to our time on top.
When we won the Scottish our European journey was in Q2 with no drop down. When we finished 3rd St Johnstone won the Scottish and knocked us out a play off spot. Now we finished 3rd again and this happens. Brutal
Just_Jimmy
24-05-2025, 07:41 PM
Folk can dress it up however they want, that result today is a massive boot in the baws and puts a huge damper on all the hard work to this point.
All cos Aberdeen won a penalty shoot out.
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Roxyhibee
24-05-2025, 07:47 PM
Anyone in the SPL could have taken that Cup from Celtic today, and probably a couple at the top of the Championship. They were terrible - but such is the rare but random nature of winning a cup. Well done to them and congratulations, but it should never entitle them to a £5m bonanza in Europe. That reward should go to the third place team, which has proven itself the strongest and best outwith Celtic and Rangers over 30 plus games, not a few.
AFKA5814_Hibs
24-05-2025, 07:50 PM
As a Hibby, I feel pretty gutted after today. Hibs efforts to get the prized 3rd place in the league took incredible courage, drive and performances week after week in the face of huge pressure.
To be an Aberdeen fan tonight, sitting with the Scottish Cup, beating Celtic at Hampden, and looking forward to Euro trips until Xmas must be amazing. One match has effectively won them the Cup and 3rd place in the league.
In 2016 we won the cup and came into the Europa League qualifer the round after Aberdeen who actually finished 2nd in the Premership in 2015/16. Where we complaining then? Difference now is the reward is higher than it was then. ***** happens.
Mcbizz1998
24-05-2025, 07:57 PM
In 2016 we won the cup and came into the Europa League qualifer the round after Aberdeen who actually finished 2nd in the Premership in 2015/16. Where we complaining then? Difference now is the reward is higher than it was then. ***** happens.
Nobody even knew that, apart from you. The reward in 2016 was winning the cup, not the European placing. That’s what we got and what is remembered. Europe was secondary and it’s a farce that a championship that managed to win a cup got a better place in Europe than the team that finished second on the prem.
It’s a piece of nonsense but we knew the situation going in.
Anyone in the SPL could have taken that Cup from Celtic today, and probably a couple at the top of the Championship. They were terrible - but such is the rare but random nature of winning a cup. Well done to them and congratulations, but it should never entitle them to a £5m bonanza in Europe. That reward should go to the third place team, which has proven itself the strongest and best outwith Celtic and Rangers over 30 plus games, not a few.
It is that easy, we only managed it three times in our history!!
Mcbizz1998
24-05-2025, 07:59 PM
It is that easy, we only managed it three times in our history!!
Our crap record in a competition proves nothing. Our record is a freakish outlier, not the rule.
judas
24-05-2025, 08:01 PM
It's unreal that winning a cup gets a bigger prize than playing well for a whole season.
Is it though? I would argue the Aberdeen played better across all competitions than Hibs.
We’ve had a great season and I’m proud of that but I think the rules are the rules and we should suck it up tbh.
DaveF
24-05-2025, 08:02 PM
We were all cheering when Aberdeen beat Hearts and now there is a monumental amount of greeting because Aberdeen came 1st in a 2 horse race.
It's crap but it was always a possibility.
I'm still looking forward to the draw to see where it takes us.
Roxyhibee
24-05-2025, 08:05 PM
It is that easy, we only managed it three times in our history!!
Did you see I put the word rare in there as opposed to easy...? It’s not about the random glory of winning a cup, which is fantastic, it’s about where the European reward should go and I think it should be given to the best teams in the League. Teams that win cups get good financial reward already.
MJ hibs
24-05-2025, 08:06 PM
Got to think we have a chance at getting to the Conference Playoff round. But could easily get drawn against an EPL team at that point so that would be that.
I'm_cabbaged
24-05-2025, 08:12 PM
What pisses me off most is we’re probably hurting more than those *****. Scored a goal and weren’t fussed about it, soap dodging *******s
CapitalGreen
24-05-2025, 08:14 PM
We were all cheering when Aberdeen beat Hearts and now there is a monumental amount of greeting because Aberdeen came 1st in a 2 horse race.
It's crap but it was always a possibility.
I'm still looking forward to the draw to see where it takes us.
I’m glad it was Aberdeen who beat Celtic today and not Hearts.
TrinityHFC
24-05-2025, 08:21 PM
Exactly. Not Aberdeen's fault and not ours.
My hatred for Celtic has only intensified.
****. Subhuman ****
Subhuman? For losing a football game. Get a grip.
B.H.F.C
24-05-2025, 08:23 PM
I’m glad it was Aberdeen who beat Celtic today and not Hearts.
Hearts fans almost celebrating tonight, too thick to realise the opportunity they’ve missed themselves.
No point in denying that today is anything other than sore, but it’s not as if we face a completely impossible task to qualify. Difficult, aye. But not impossible with the way the format is now.
CapitalGreen
24-05-2025, 08:26 PM
Hearts fans almost celebrating tonight, too thick to realise the opportunity they’ve missed themselves.
No point in denying that today is anything other than sore, but it’s not as if we face a completely impossible task to qualify. Difficult, aye. But not impossible with the way the format is now.
Hearts only had to hold on for 2 more minutes and it could have been them facing that awful Celtic performance in today’s cup final.
Paulie Walnuts
24-05-2025, 08:27 PM
It isn't. You play 5 games, a few teams you're expected to beat, a decent draw and you can avoid the old firm altogether or win a one off game at home or hampden.
Much harder to be good over a full league season.
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It is. Hence why us, Aberdeen and Hearts have done it a hell of a lot more often than we’ve won the cup.
You’re not talking about winning the league, you’re talking about finishing third, something which almost always requires less than 50% of games to be won. A cup win requires 100% of ties to be won. Literally every measure shows it’s more difficult
MacGruber
24-05-2025, 09:48 PM
It’s only cost us millions if we don’t make the group stages through what is a more tricky and longer route.
True. A trickier and tougher route with less of a squad too as without the guaranteed cash we will be on budget 'B' and could well just have cost us Rocky and Triantis. It's not impossible but it is improbable.
Them's the rules, so we just have to live with it.
Too many people taking a Celtc win as a given.
This 👍
neil7908
24-05-2025, 10:20 PM
The original post I responded to said it’s easier to win the cup. We’ve won the cup 3 times in 150 years. We’ve finished in the top 3 a lot more than that, so I don’t think it is easier to win the cup. Or if it is, we’ve certainly not shown it.
I think we are a better side than Aberdeen but it’s not as if we finished 25 points in front of them and they also have a cup, unfortunately.
What happened 150 years ago, or 70 years ago or even 30 years ago is irrelevant to football today though.
Moving away from Hibs, St Johnstone have won it twice in 11 years. ICT have been in two finals over that period, winning one of them. Some clubs can be cup teams (see also Spurs in the Europa League) but have nowhere to hide in a long league campaign.
I'm firmly of the belief that the league table doesn't lie. That's definitely not the case with the cup.
There is no where to hide in the league. In the cup you can get easy draws all the way to the final and then get lucky and play a team having an off game, like Celtic today.
Just_Jimmy
24-05-2025, 10:37 PM
What happened 150 years ago, or 70 years ago or even 30 years ago is irrelevant to football today though.
Moving away from Hibs, St Johnstone have won it twice in 11 years. ICT have been in two finals over that period, winning one of them. Some clubs can be cup teams (see also Spurs in the Europa League) but have nowhere to hide in a long league campaign.
I'm firmly of the belief that the league table doesn't lie. That's definitely not the case with the cup.
There is no where to hide in the league. In the cup you can get easy draws all the way to the final and then get lucky and play a team having an off game, like Celtic today.Aberdeen didn't even beat celtic today they drew and won on penalties. I know they still won the cup but celtic were crap and aberdeen drew over 120 minutes.
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neil7908
25-05-2025, 01:07 AM
Aberdeen didn't even beat celtic today they drew and won on penalties. I know they still won the cup but celtic were crap and aberdeen drew over 120 minutes.
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Exactly. And they needed extra time to beat Hearts in the last round. Cups can be won based on fine margins and luck given the very low number of tough games.
JohnM1875
25-05-2025, 01:38 AM
Aberdeen didn't even beat celtic today they drew and won on penalties. I know they still won the cup but celtic were crap and aberdeen drew over 120 minutes.
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Jesus, that's some amount of copium. They beat Celtic.
Speedy
25-05-2025, 02:57 AM
The one thing you have to give Aberdeen is that their penalties were deadly. I know it gets called a lottery but when you hit them like that it’s less so.
Agreed. It's nonsense to call it a lottery.
Celtic looked like they never thought it would get to that stage. Aberdeen looked like they'd practiced for it all week.
21.05.2016
25-05-2025, 05:26 AM
At least Aberdeen won that semi final- just saying
For any bottom 6 teams playing league cup group stages in July looking in
That's the only saving grace, if it had been Hearts i think i'd have been physically sick.
21.05.2016
25-05-2025, 05:37 AM
Hearts fans almost celebrating tonight, too thick to realise the opportunity they’ve missed themselves.
No point in denying that today is anything other than sore, but it’s not as if we face a completely impossible task to qualify. Difficult, aye. But not impossible with the way the format is now.
Bit of a gutter for us today for sure but wtf have Hearts fans got to gloat and laugh about?! Seriously, if i was them I would be keeping very quiet after the abysmal season they've had and certainly not trying to make fun of a team finishing 3rd and whom they've not beaten all season.
AFKA5814_Hibs
25-05-2025, 05:44 AM
Agreed. It's nonsense to call it a lottery.
Celtic looked like they never thought it would get to that stage. Aberdeen looked like they'd practiced for it all week.
Attitude. The Aberdeen players went up to take their penalties like they cared. The Celtc players were motionless, almost robotic like. None of them looked remotely interested.
JimBHibees
25-05-2025, 08:28 AM
Agreed. It's nonsense to call it a lottery.
Celtic looked like they never thought it would get to that stage. Aberdeen looked like they'd practiced for it all week.
Has to be said Aberdeens penalties were superb when Graeme Shinnie is pinging it into the top corner you know you are in trouble
JimBHibees
25-05-2025, 08:31 AM
Dave cormack having a slight gloat about other clubs were planning where they were going in Europe etc
Jesus
Yes heard that didn’t improve my opinion of the clown :greengrin
lucky
25-05-2025, 08:38 AM
FFS Hibs haven't lost anything with an Aberdeen win. To get to the group stages of European we have to win a few qualifying games against other clubs from smaller countries and probably one tough tie. We could do the same as Aberdeen and win unexpectedly and get the prize money that goes with it.
Winning the Scottish Cup was the greatest feeling as a Hibs fan. I'd take that every time over finishing third
degenerated
25-05-2025, 08:43 AM
Our crap record in a competition proves nothing. Our record is a freakish outlier, not the rule.Except that it pretty much is the rule28830
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CapitalGreen
25-05-2025, 08:47 AM
Yes heard that didn’t improve my opinion of the clown :greengrin
I think that was more a dig at Dun Utd who posted on Twitter they had qualified for the Europa League after beating Aberdeen.
Trinity Hibee
25-05-2025, 08:50 AM
I think that was more a dig at Dun Utd who posted on Twitter they had qualified for the Europa League after beating Aberdeen.
Says it all about the guy that after winning the cup, one of his first thoughts was to mention other clubs
DH1875
25-05-2025, 08:52 AM
Might as well take the £500k they made as well while we are at it.
Some amount of crying on here. Only hope a lot of it is in jest. It's the Scottish Cup. Of course it should have the European spot. Want to finish 3rd next season or 4th/5th and win the Cup? There's your answer.
If it's so easy to win then our record is a disgrace. Not just us. Aberdeen just went 35 years without winning it its that easy.
Northernhibee
25-05-2025, 08:56 AM
Let’s face it, we weren’t complaining about getting Europe when we won the cup when we were in the second tier.
Roxyhibee
25-05-2025, 09:03 AM
Dave cormack having a slight gloat about other clubs were planning where they were going in Europe etc
Jesus
Very strange individual indeed - apart from the gloating over others, did I hear him say something about glory be to god, or some other high egotistical statement.?! Well regardless, after all the debate on the European windfall, congrats to them and well done for just managing to take Hearts out in the semi - the way Celtic played yesterday, it could have been them parading along Edinburgh today and getting £5m in their grubby pockets. So, phew..
hibee316
25-05-2025, 09:26 AM
I get we were all spewing yesterday, but a European place should always go to the cup winners.
Fair play to Aberdeen on winning. We just need to pick ourselves up and get it done!
Hibees!
K-Zazu
25-05-2025, 09:29 AM
Let’s face it, we weren’t complaining about getting Europe when we won the cup when we were in the second tier.
Wasn’t group stage football though.
Squealing pig
25-05-2025, 09:32 AM
Aberdeen deserve it ,won the Scottish cup which is great achievement , we go again and try to progress in Europe
CapitalGreen
25-05-2025, 09:51 AM
Wasn’t group stage football though.
We could have secured group stage football in 2022, 2023 or 2024 but we didn’t because we were ****.
The dalmeny
25-05-2025, 10:12 AM
The prize is the prize. And has been since the start of the season. As gutted as I am, Aberdeen deserve it, so well done to them.
far to reasonable an opinion, have a word with yourself 😂
JohnM1875
25-05-2025, 10:17 AM
Subhuman? For losing a football game. Get a grip.
Its an Alan Partridge quote 👍
Aberdeen didn't even beat celtic today they drew and won on penalties. I know they still won the cup but celtic were crap and aberdeen drew over 120 minutes.
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Keith_M
25-05-2025, 10:56 AM
There's no point being bitter about it. Them's the rules.
We still had a fantastic achievement in finishing 3rd, are guaranteed four games in Europe.. and could well end up having more.
There's so many positives.
tamig
25-05-2025, 11:01 AM
Very strange individual indeed - apart from the gloating over others, did I hear him say something about glory be to god, or some other high egotistical statement.?! Well regardless, after all the debate on the European windfall, congrats to them and well done for just managing to take Hearts out in the semi - the way Celtic played yesterday, it could have been them parading along Edinburgh today and getting £5m in their grubby pockets. So, phew..
He’s a classless clown. Cannot stand the man. Not an ounce of humility or respect in his body.
wookie70
25-05-2025, 11:53 AM
For me I would see winning the cup as a bigger achievement than finishing third especially if you beat the champions in the final. I'd rather win the cup than finish third and that is the way Europe used to work before all the nonsense with leagues and groups. We got unlucky as per but the rules were there at the start of teh season and Aberdeen did what was needed. It was still a great season under SDG and hopefully we can consolidate that next season
hibsboy07
25-05-2025, 12:05 PM
Presumably they should want the best teams from each country playing in Europe? Now we have a team that finished 5th, who are absolutely ****, flunking their way into Europe over the team that finished 3rd over a 38 game league campaign.
Nah, that’s absolute *****.
Was it a crap rule in 2016 when a championship team won the cup?
Donegal Hibby
25-05-2025, 12:14 PM
There's no point being bitter about it. Them's the rules.
We still had a fantastic achievement in finishing 3rd, are guaranteed four games in Europe.. and could well end up having more.
There's so many positives.
Spot on 👍
K-Zazu
25-05-2025, 12:33 PM
We could have secured group stage football in 2022, 2023 or 2024 but we didn’t because we were ****.
Well obviously 😂😂
B.H.F.C
25-05-2025, 12:36 PM
There's no point being bitter about it. Them's the rules.
We still had a fantastic achievement in finishing 3rd, are guaranteed four games in Europe.. and could well end up having more.
There's so many positives.
Some folk seem to be almost forgetting that we are still in Europe. And we do still have a chance of making the group stages. There are still trips to be had and money to be made.
Worst case scenario we go out at the 3rd qualifying round of the Conference League. Based on the prize money this season that would be worth €900k (€550k for exiting at that stage plus €175k per round played). Chuck in a couple of good crowds at Easter Road that would take you over a million quid (I know there are costs for travelling to away games obviously). Then there’s the fact our improved league position from last year has already been worth a million plus.
Above is the worst case scenario, it’s still far from impossible that we do better than that.
ED Hibee
25-05-2025, 12:38 PM
Was it a crap rule in 2016 when a championship team won the cup?
I guess there is more at stake now. A cup final win then just got you one less qualifying round whereas this year it is guaranteed group stage football until Christmas which will be the last time it is on offer for the next few seasons. This could have been our last chance at group stage European football until around 2030
SickBoy32
25-05-2025, 12:46 PM
I guess there is more at stake now. A cup final win then just got you one less qualifying round whereas this year it is guaranteed group stage football until Christmas which will be the last time it is on offer for the next few seasons. This could have been our last chance at group stage European football until around 2030
Depends on your perspective I guess. Could be argued that the introduction of a 3rd tier of European competition just dilutes the significance and prestige of taking part in Euro games.
Over the last few months I was never getting too carried away regarding this ‘group stage’ chat. Reality is that it’s full of pub teams! We’d have got 1 or 2 games against proper sides who we’d actually heard of.
Aware this may sound like sour grapes but it’s genuinely not 😂
If we could return to the European Cup / Cup Winners Cup format, I’d be strongly in favour of that.
As is stands we have 42% of a **** league (SPL) qualifying for Europe, in one guise or another. That devalues it for me.
DaveF
25-05-2025, 12:48 PM
Some folk seem to be almost forgetting that we are still in Europe. And we do still have a chance of making the group stages. There are still trips to be had and money to be made.
Worst case scenario we go out at the 3rd qualifying round of the Conference League. Based on the prize money this season that would be worth €900k (€550k for exiting at that stage plus €175k per round played). Chuck in a couple of good crowds at Easter Road that would take you over a million quid (I know there are costs for travelling to away games obviously). Then there’s the fact our improved league position from last year has already been worth a million plus.
Above is the worst case scenario, it’s still far from impossible that we do better than that.
Yep, from staring at relegation and a monumental financial loss, to 3rd place prize money and European ties - it's anything but a disaster.
neil7908
25-05-2025, 12:49 PM
Might as well take the £500k they made as well while we are at it.
Some amount of crying on here. Only hope a lot of it is in jest. It's the Scottish Cup. Of course it should have the European spot. Want to finish 3rd next season or 4th/5th and win the Cup? There's your answer.
If it's so easy to win then our record is a disgrace. Not just us. Aberdeen just went 35 years without winning it its that easy.
Football fans in showing emotion shocker. Where will it all end ? Jumping up and down when we score?
CropleyWasGod
25-05-2025, 01:04 PM
Depends on your perspective I guess. Could be argued that the introduction of a 3rd tier of European competition just dilutes the significance and prestige of taking part in Euro games.
Over the last few months I was never getting too carried away regarding this ‘group stage’ chat. Reality is that it’s full of pub teams! We’d have got 1 or 2 games against proper sides who we’d actually heard of.
Aware this may sound like sour grapes but it’s genuinely not
If we could return to the European Cup / Cup Winners Cup format, I’d be strongly in favour of that.
As is stands we have 42% of a **** league (SPL) qualifying for Europe, in one guise or another. That devalues it for me.
I blame the Soviets, the Czechs and the Yugoslavs for allowing their countries to break up. Just dilutes the gene pool.
PS there's been a 3rd tier of Euro competition since the 60's.
There's no point being bitter about it. Them's the rules.
We still had a fantastic achievement in finishing 3rd, are guaranteed four games in Europe.. and could well end up having more.
There's so many positives.
And Crystal Palace are in Europa league because of that rule as well, everyone was congratulating them.
nickwhibs
25-05-2025, 01:17 PM
There's no point being bitter about it. Them's the rules.
We still had a fantastic achievement in finishing 3rd, are guaranteed four games in Europe.. and could well end up having more.
There's so many positives.
Well said that man
SickBoy32
25-05-2025, 01:27 PM
I blame the Soviets, the Czechs and the Yugoslavs for allowing their countries to break up. Just dilutes the gene pool.
PS there's been a 3rd tier of Euro competition since the 60's.
Not sure I’m following. More countries being established, with their league champions and cup winners entering into the original formats of the EC / CWC would cause no issues.
UEFA got greedy though, and wanted to create a cash generating operation disguised as a football tournament, which they’ve done very successfully. The Champions League is now effectively a closed shop - and the root cause of all the 1 team leagues we see across the continent.
Ah yes, the intertoto how could I forget. Widely regarded as a pretendy tournament and (I think) you could qualify based on fewest yellow cards 😂
CropleyWasGod
25-05-2025, 01:39 PM
Not sure I’m following. More countries being established, with their league champions and cup winners entering into the original formats of the EC / CWC would cause no issues.
UEFA got greedy though, and wanted to create a cash generating operation disguised as a football tournament, which they’ve done very successfully. The Champions League is now effectively a closed shop - and the root cause of all the 1 team leagues we see across the continent.
Ah yes, the intertoto how could I forget. Widely regarded as a pretendy tournament and (I think) you could qualify based on fewest yellow cards 😂
It means more "pub teams" :greengrin
And, since the 60's, there was the EC/CL, CWC (until 1999) and Fairs/UEFA Cup.
I liked the Inter-cities Fairs Cup idea. IIRC, you couldn't have more than 1 team from the same city involved. Hence why Hibs and Hearts were never in the same competiition. And also why Clyde , who finished 3rd one year behind Celtic and Rangers, weren't allowed in. Think that was 67, when Aberdeen (of course :rolleyes:) won the Cup.
Paulie Walnuts
25-05-2025, 02:26 PM
Depends on your perspective I guess. Could be argued that the introduction of a 3rd tier of European competition just dilutes the significance and prestige of taking part in Euro games.
Over the last few months I was never getting too carried away regarding this ‘group stage’ chat. Reality is that it’s full of pub teams! We’d have got 1 or 2 games against proper sides who we’d actually heard of.
Aware this may sound like sour grapes but it’s genuinely not 😂
If we could return to the European Cup / Cup Winners Cup format, I’d be strongly in favour of that.
As is stands we have 42% of a **** league (SPL) qualifying for Europe, in one guise or another. That devalues it for me.
I actually said this the other day. The list of potential opponents and/or locations in the Conference League was incredibly underwhelming.
Obviously I’d rather still have been guaranteed it, but I’m not convinced I’d have been all that tempted to go to most of the away ties we could have got, which ultimately is the main reason I’d want to qualify.
Mcbizz1998
25-05-2025, 02:41 PM
Was it a crap rule in 2016 when a championship team won the cup?
Yes
A Hi-Bee
25-05-2025, 03:38 PM
Not sure I’m following. More countries being established, with their league champions and cup winners entering into the original formats of the EC / CWC would cause no issues.
UEFA got greedy though, and wanted to create a cash generating operation disguised as a football tournament, which they’ve done very successfully. The Champions League is now effectively a closed shop - and the root cause of all the 1 team leagues we see across the continent.
Ah yes, the intertoto how could I forget. Widely regarded as a pretendy tournament and (I think) you could qualify based on fewest yellow cards ��
The Fairs cup where Hibs played most of the big teams around Europe, great times at Easter Road.
"Hibernian reached the semi-final stage in the European Cup (1955–56) and the Fairs Cup (1960–61). They participated in European competition during the 1960s and 1970s on an almost annual basis, competing with many of the major club sides during this period. During this time, Hibernian recorded notable victories against Barcelona (1960–61), Napoli (1967–68) and Sporting Lisbon (1972–73).
Leeds, Liverpool and Juventus great games although ending in defeat.
Since the late 1970s, Hibernian have qualified for European competition much less frequently. During the 2000s they appeared three times in the Intertoto Cup, a summer competition that offered qualification for the UEFA Cup.
All age dependent I guess.
Keith_M
25-05-2025, 04:45 PM
While we're on the subject of irrelevant, diddy tournaments...
Does anybody remember Hibs' fantastic achievement in 1977 of reaching the Semi-Final of the Anglo-Scottish Cup?
We beat Ayr United, annihilated Blackburn Rovers and were so close to getting through the Semi-Final against the world famous Bristol City.
Oh will we ever see the likes of those glory days again!
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Glory Lurker
25-05-2025, 04:57 PM
While we're on the subject of irrelevant, diddy tournaments...
Does anybody remember Hibs' fantastic achievement in 1977 of reaching the Semi-Final of the Anglo-Scottish Cup?
We beat Ayr United, annihilated Blackburn Rovers and were so close to getting through the Semi-Final against the world famous Bristol City.
Oh will we ever see the likes of those glory days again!
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St Mirren lived the dream though, if I remember right. Lisbon, Barcelona and Gothenburg don't match up to what the Buddies delivered for the country.
Keith_M
25-05-2025, 05:20 PM
St Mirren lived the dream though, if I remember right. Lisbon, Barcelona and Gothenburg don't match up to what the Buddies delivered for the country.
Indeed. Alex Ferguson's greatest managerial achievement.
marinello59
26-05-2025, 08:23 AM
Of course the Scottish Cup winners should get priority in Europe. Unlike the FA cup our premier cup competition has not been devalued. You keep it that way, in part, by offering a strong incentive to win it.
We are still in Europe, something none of us saw coming in November. Check your passports and get ready for the draw. :greengrin
JeMeSouviens
26-05-2025, 11:34 AM
Of course the Scottish Cup winners should get priority in Europe. Unlike the FA cup our premier cup competition has not been devalued. You keep it that way, in part, by offering a strong incentive to win it.
We are still in Europe, something none of us saw coming in November. Check your passports and get ready for the draw. :greengrin
Agree :agree:
If the cup runners up got priority that would be wrong but if you win the cup you've done better than the rest of Scottish football, inc. Rantic, in our premier cup competition. Devaluing it is a be careful what you wish for thing, imo.
DickieDastardly
26-05-2025, 11:43 AM
There's no point being bitter about it. Them's the rules.
We still had a fantastic achievement in finishing 3rd, are guaranteed four games in Europe.. and could well end up having more.
There's so many positives.
Spot on, disappointing as the result was from a guaranteed European adventure perspective, it should not diminish or lessen the achievement of the club this season - across all aspects, mens, womens and U18s.
Aberdeen won the Scottish Cup against the odds and denied Celtic the treble and a clean sweep of trophies - so congratulations to them, always refreshing to have a team outwith the OF win a domestic honour (exclude the Yams from that).
We still have a chance to progress in Europe - so lets be positive.
AlbertK86
26-05-2025, 11:49 AM
And if in 2016 that had been the prize we'd not have given a monkeys either- and we were a Championship side not a top 6 side that had already qualified for Europe.
Get it that folk are disappointed but...
Yep didn’t here the moaners moaning about this then
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CB_NO3
26-05-2025, 12:07 PM
The cup winners should defo get priority over a team coming 3rd. 3rd is 3rd. Scotland is the only country in the world that actually celebrate third. Still a great season for Hibs and one we can build on.
B.H.F.C
26-05-2025, 12:12 PM
The cup winners should defo get priority over a team coming 3rd. 3rd is 3rd. Scotland is the only country in the world that actually celebrate third. Still a great season for Hibs and one we can build on.
Duno about that, Newcastle were pretty excited about getting 5th yesterday.
Thatdayinmay16
26-05-2025, 12:13 PM
The cup winners should defo get priority over a team coming 3rd. 3rd is 3rd. Scotland is the only country in the world that actually celebrate third. Still a great season for Hibs and one we can build on.
Should it though?
You have to play 30 odd games against decent sides in the league season, the SC you could play league 1,2 and championship sides up till the semi final or even final.
You could realistically play 4/5 home games until you get to Hampden.
I agree with it happening in European competitions, but I disagree that the likes of Aberdeen after their League campaign (Same could be said about crystal palace) should receive European football.
Bristolhibby
26-05-2025, 01:14 PM
Bit of a gutter for us today for sure but wtf have Hearts fans got to gloat and laugh about?! Seriously, if i was them I would be keeping very quiet after the abysmal season they've had and certainly not trying to make fun of a team finishing 3rd and whom they've not beaten all season.
Another take is getting European football is bad for your league ambitions. Only the OF have the depth to go deep into Europe. Playing an extra 10 games in the meaty point of the season is destabilising for smaller teams. Look at Hearts this season, Aberdeen the season before.
J
DIXIHIBS
26-05-2025, 01:54 PM
Another take is getting European football is bad for your league ambitions. Only the OF have the depth to go deep into Europe. Playing an extra 10 games in the meaty point of the season is destabilising for smaller teams. Look at Hearts this season, Aberdeen the season before.
J
Then what is the point of league ambition if not to get into Europe. All a bit pointless if we don't want best possible euro placing.
where'stheslope
26-05-2025, 02:18 PM
Then what is the point of league ambition if not to get into Europe. All a bit pointless if we don't want best possible euro placing.
I think if you look at the stats, you'll find that teams other than the old firm tend to blow up as the squads are not big enough to cope with the amount of games you have to play.
We have a big squad but the depth of quality may let us down.
Silky
26-05-2025, 05:30 PM
Then what is the point of league ambition if not to get into Europe. All a bit pointless if we don't want best possible euro placing.
We got the best possible euro placing after getting papped out the cup at Parkheid.
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