Malky Mackay ( The Coffee Club)

[Donegal Hibby]

Just after watching this . Thought he spoke well in fairness…

https://youtu.be/zUFP31bPI2E?si=KQy0iHAwXIfYWmeh

[Hibbyradge]

Just after watching this . Thought he spoke well in fairness…

https://youtu.be/zUFP31bPI2E?si=KQy0iHAwXIfYWmeh

The first half is definitely worth watching.

[Donegal Hibby]

The first half is definitely worth watching.

Yeah , forgot to mention the last part not as interesting.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

I wasn't big on Malky coming in following his previous indiscretions. But credit where it's due. He's buckled down and is clearly having a positive impact on the club. I'm all for people being given a second chance if they are genuinely committed to change. I had my doubts about him, but he's proven me otherwise.

[Stairway 2 7]

He deserves lots of credit. The club is so well run just now. 19's, women's and men's all bossing it

[Since452]

He's clearly doing a good job. We'll done Malky.

[Forza Fred]

I thought it was a mistake to employ Malky and saw nothing in his early days that made me think otherwise.

However, fair’s fair and all that.

He did ask to be judged on his results and it would be churlish of anyone not to concede that the football department seems to be performing very well on all fronts.

So we’ll done Malky, perhaps I misjudged you.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Nice selection of cakes and buns

[matty_f]

I thought it was a mistake to employ Malky and saw nothing in his early days that made me think otherwise.

However, fair’s fair and all that.

He did ask to be judged on his results and it would be churlish of anyone not to concede that the football department seems to be performing very well on all fronts.

So we’ll done Malky, perhaps I misjudged you.

With respect, I always said that judging Malky on anything that happened in the short term was pointless, his role is to make sure the people, process, and facilities are in place for the club to succeed.

An example is that he’s responsible for ensuring the right gym equipment is available so if on day one he goes and buys a load of weights and exercise bikes, that won’t help us win the next match but over time it will contribute, but it’s definitely not the reason we’d have lost the next match.

Changes to the youth set up wouldn’t mean we’d have a player moving to the first team immediately, but over time it should mean more players moving to the first team etc.

We always needed to give Malky time before judging, folk calling for his head early doors were either knee-jerking or going on his past.

[lucky]

Hibs are going in the right direction on and off the pitch. I can't remember a time when everything seems to work. Credit to Ian Gordon and Malky Mackay.

[CallumLaidlaw]

https://youtu.be/j0JwF4hyBug?si=qIGxSe6cC27v5BuF

Second part of the interview. More hibs content.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[HH81]

He was just on a YouTube live.

Spoke brilliantly about loads of topics.

[Trinity Hibee]

He was just on a YouTube live.

Spoke brilliantly about loads of topics.

He did.

Was showing player round east mains today he said. Really exciting to see what happens this summer. We were told last summer that this summer would be a big window for us and I don’t imagine anyone at Hibs thought we’d (hopefully) have group stage football to offer players

[Hibbyradge]

https://youtu.be/j0JwF4hyBug?si=qIGxSe6cC27v5BuF

Second part of the interview. More hibs content.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

That was very good. Thanks for posting.

[Hibbyradge]

He was just on a YouTube live.

Spoke brilliantly about loads of topics.

Is that available now?

[EH54]

Is that available now?

https://www.youtube.com/live/kjd2mvekY1U?si=1fYGjF_n2p89P-wr

Was on the premier sports channel came across extremely well.

[Hibbyradge]

https://www.youtube.com/live/kjd2mvekY1U?si=1fYGjF_n2p89P-wr

Was on the premier sports channel came across extremely well.

Thanks 👍

[CentreForward]

Great interview. He speaks really well there and hard to think that’s he’s not a big asset for the club after watching that. Talks about wanting players who are selfless and work hard. Great words from him there about the influence and attitude of Hoilett and Gayle. A really good watch.

[JOD]

He stuck by David. Well done Malky.
Came out in interview.
Think was a case when he spoke to the board through bad times iff he goes I go too.

[BILLYHIBS]

Good to hear that the boss of the BK’s was at the recent derby win and was blown away by the stadium, the crowd, the atmosphere, SOL, the pace of the game, the passion and did not realise we are such a big club and is sitting up and taking notice can only augur well for the future

[Thatdayinmay16]

I had seen something on twitter mentioning that he said in the interview that he was showing a player around east mains recently.

Wonder who it could have been.

[Kato]

He spoke about identifying players using data, then watching them, then seeing them in flesh and then sussing out their character before signing them.

Surely Hearts are the only team in Scotland using data?

Sent from my SM-A528B using Tapatalk

[Callum_62]

He spoke about identifying players using data, then watching them, then seeing them in flesh and then sussing out their character before signing them.

Surely Hearts are the only team in Scotland using data?

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkYou'd think so given the coverage

Sent from my Pixel 7 Pro using Tapatalk

[hibby rae]

He stuck by David. Well done Malky.
Came out in interview.
Think was a case when he spoke to the board through bad times iff he goes I go too.

That's not what I've heard at all, from more than one source.

In November he was distancing himself from the appointment, he's now briefing he was his arch defender. Heard this from more than one person in the Scottish football media landscape. I would take everything he says with a pinch of salt and with the understanding he has a subjective interest in presenting himself a certain way.

The other story is one of the things which saved Gray is the board refused to sign off on Mackay taking over, that was from inside the club but I can't vouch for it's reliability. The first story I consider very reliable.

[Mon Dieu4]

That's not what I've heard at all, from more than one source.

In November he was distancing himself from the appointment, he's now briefing he was his arch defender. Heard this from more than one person in the Scottish football media landscape. I would take everything he says with a pinch of salt and with the understanding he has a subjective interest in presenting himself a certain way.

The other story is one of the things which saved Gray is the board refused to sign off on Mackay taking over, that was from inside the club but I can't vouch for it's reliability. The first story I consider very reliable.

Be a bit weird of him to distance himself from the appointment when I saw multiple interviews with him at the time SDG got the job stating that he was impressed with the countless hours worth of interviews Gray did and he was the stand out candidate

[JohnM1875]

Interesting that he said Triantis has been asked to join up with the Greece squad as well.

[Donegal Hibby]

Personally every time I’ve listened to Mackay doing interviews I’ve been impressed by him , think he speaks really well , has a good knowledge of the game and seems to have been a good appointment as Gray was too ..

https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/how-david-gray-nailed-hibs-29346484

[Trinity Hibee]

Personally every time I’ve listened to Mackay doing interviews I’ve been impressed by him , think he speaks really well , has a good knowledge of the game and seems to have been a good appointment as Gray was too ..

https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/how-david-gray-nailed-hibs-29346484

Have to agree. Very honest and articulate when it comes to football. I have little doubt he’d be good at convincing players to sign for us.

[Kato]

That's not what I've heard at all, from more than one source.

In November he was distancing himself from the appointment, he's now briefing he was his arch defender. Heard this from more than one person in the Scottish football media landscape. I would take everything he says with a pinch of salt and with the understanding he has a subjective interest in presenting himself a certain way.

The other story is one of the things which saved Gray is the board refused to sign off on Mackay taking over, that was from inside the club but I can't vouch for it's reliability. The first story I consider very reliable.

You trust people's word on Hibs from the "Scottish football media landscape"?

Sent from my SM-A528B using Tapatalk

[Since452]

That's not what I've heard at all, from more than one source.

In November he was distancing himself from the appointment, he's now briefing he was his arch defender. Heard this from more than one person in the Scottish football media landscape. I would take everything he says with a pinch of salt and with the understanding he has a subjective interest in presenting himself a certain way.

The other story is one of the things which saved Gray is the board refused to sign off on Mackay taking over, that was from inside the club but I can't vouch for it's reliability. The first story I consider very reliable.

With all due respect that sounds like nonsense.

[Kato]

, he's now briefing he was his arch defender.


In his actual public interviews he's praising the owners for sticking by Gray.

Sent from my SM-A528B using Tapatalk

[McD]

That's not what I've heard at all, from more than one source.

In November he was distancing himself from the appointment, he's now briefing he was his arch defender. Heard this from more than one person in the Scottish football media landscape. I would take everything he says with a pinch of salt and with the understanding he has a subjective interest in presenting himself a certain way.

The other story is one of the things which saved Gray is the board refused to sign off on Mackay taking over, that was from inside the club but I can't vouch for it's reliability. The first story I consider very reliable.


When DG was appointed, McKay was very articulate about the interviewing process and how DG had shone during that. Be a bit odd to distance himself a few months later saying ‘that wisnae me’, no?

[Hibbyradge]

That's not what I've heard at all, from more than one source.

In November he was distancing himself from the appointment, he's now briefing he was his arch defender. Heard this from more than one person in the Scottish football media landscape. I would take everything he says with a pinch of salt and with the understanding he has a subjective interest in presenting himself a certain way.

The other story is one of the things which saved Gray is the board refused to sign off on Mackay taking over, that was from inside the club but I can't vouch for it's reliability. The first story I consider very reliable.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/cevv41xzrq8o

https://www.hibsobserver.co.uk/interviews/24382842.malky-mackay-exclusive-hibs-appointed-david-gray/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CI%20didn't%20know%20David,from%2 0the%20present%20day%20onwards.

[JimBHibees]

Personally every time I’ve listened to Mackay doing interviews I’ve been impressed by him , think he speaks really well , has a good knowledge of the game and seems to have been a good appointment as Gray was too ..

https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/how-david-gray-nailed-hibs-29346484

I am glad he is at the club would appear to be doing a great job

[Donegal Hibby]

I am glad he is at the club would appear to be doing a great job

So am I . The more you think about it with him being a manager in England and Scotland , working with Scotland. It does seem like we made a good decision in hiring him and with numerous good things happening at the club I’m sure he’s played his part in that too .

[The Harp Awakes]

MM is the common denominator in the success of the u18s, ladies and men's team.

Looks like he's doing a great job.

[Weststandwanab]

Just after watching this . Thought he spoke well in fairness…

https://youtu.be/zUFP31bPI2E?si=KQy0iHAwXIfYWmeh

Not a fan given his comments but recently was at a networking function at Easter Road and he spoke.

Very well.

[matty_f]

With all due respect that sounds like nonsense.

It is, with respect to the person who posted it.

Malky went out his way to make the point that he was involved in appointing Gray. I don’t think there was any doubt that Gray was going to get the job regardless, but the club timed it in such a way that, officially, Malky’s first job of note was hiring Gray as head coach.

Malky has described the process on a number of occasions to highlight his input into the decision - about as far removed from distancing himself as you can get.

There also wasn’t (I’m told, though I have had conflicting information -particularly at the time) any great desire from ANY board members to pull the trigger on Gray. Malky was definitely an advocate for giving him time but I’m led to believe that the Gordons and BKFC members needed little persuasion to stick with him, the board were very much aligned with the view that he needed as much time as possible.

That is correct to the very best of my knowledge, with info given from two senior members of staff at the club independently, which ties in with Malky’s version of events, and ultimately what we all saw happen.

[Fratelli]

Graham Spiers has just released a new episode of his podcast ‘In Conversation: Malky Mackay’ on the Patreon platform. Looking forward to it.

[BS44]

I get the when, but I wonder why McKay is doing all this profile raising stuff.

[JohnM1875]

I get the when, but I wonder why McKay is doing all this profile raising stuff.

Guessing folk are reaching out to him for a chat after a monumental season for the football club (U18’s, Women and men).

Off season so he’s fine spending time doing it now.

[bingo70]

I get the when, but I wonder why McKay is doing all this profile raising stuff.

The cynic in me wondered the same thing.

In fairness though, he took a lot of stick earlier in the season. He couldn’t really address those points until the end of the season, doing it early would have been a bit premature to be patting ourselves on the back, especially if things went wrong.

He’s probably going on holiday next week so using this opportunity to do a bit PR for the club and himself.

He’s clearly really enjoying the job so I would be surprised if he was angling for another one.

[Hibs4185]

I get the when, but I wonder why McKay is doing all this profile raising stuff.

Quite simply, his stock is high and people are taking an interest in the job he’s done.

People are only interested when you’re struggling or on a high. He’s currently on a high and I’d imagine he’s getting a lot of requests which he is doing.

Good exposure for him and the club. Shows we are all doing something right.

[Centre Hawf]

It's definitely the right time for the PR element. He can discuss the transformation at the club and get his record back out there with his own words and face attached to it. Even if he never wants to work as a manager again he may still fancy a chance as a Director of Football at a 'bigger' club and doing this will help him.

[McGruber]

Been impressed each time listening to Malky, comes over very well and on evidence has done and is doing a brilliant job. Think too much being read into the amount of press being done now. Don't see or hear much when it isn't going well, see and hear plenty when it is. Also factor in the season has ended and he'll have a bit more time. Good press for him and the club anyway so is all good.

[GloryGlory]

I get the when, but I wonder why McKay is doing all this profile raising stuff.

Maybe because it's part of his job remit?

[Kato]

Maybe because it's part of his job remit?Any appearence by anyone in the media would need to approved by the club. He's not just "choosing" to do this.

Sent from my SM-A528B using Tapatalk

[Hibbyradge]

Any appearence by anyone in the media would need to approved by the club. He's not just "choosing" to do this.

Sent from my SM-A528B using Tapatalk

I don't understand the debate here.

The entire club has just finished a fantastic season and the press approached us for interviews.

Of course he chose to do them, approval necessary or not. He could have refused, but why would he, or the club, have refused?

He's doing his job, nothing more.

[Hibs4185]

Is Malky doing a good job? I genuinely don’t know. Is the turnaround due to SDG and his management team, definitely.

However the fact that the woman’s team have won, the u-18’s have won and the fell good factor and environment at the club looks spot on, I’d suggest Malky is doing a very good job behind the scenes.

Too many positives to be a coincidence.

[Paul1642]

Is Malky doing a good job? I genuinely don’t know. Is the turnaround due to SDG and his management team, definitely.

However the fact that the woman’s team have won, the u-18’s have won and the fell good factor and environment at the club looks spot on, I’d suggest Malky is doing a very good job behind the scenes.

Too many positives to be a coincidence.

Credit needs to also be given to Malky / the board for not sacking Gray before the turnaround began.

Levein and Naismith both got there p45 for less, and both had much more managerial experience in the bank.

Look look how that turned out for both clubs.

[JeMeSouviens]

I don't really get the "he's proved me wrong" angle on this thread. I didn't think there was any doubt about his ability or credentials to do the job football-wise, or at least that wasn't folks' problem with his appointment. It was the Cardiff racist, homophobic, mysogynistic texts that were the issue.

I was personally uneasy although I generally think people should get 2nd chances. Yes, he's done the training courses and paid the price of his misdemeanours, but is he really contrite? tbh, the interviews here didn't shed much light. When "troubles at Cardiff" are obliquely brought up by Leckie and the other guy he kind of brushes past them and swiftly changes tack to make it about having family support etc.

Now it could be he is genuinely full of remorse but is savvy enough to know that any public statement is going to make a nice headline and drag it all up again or he could feel he didn't do much wrong...

Hard to tell and tbh, I'm still uneasy. He's doing his job well though, as far as I can tell.

[CallumHibs07]

I don't really get the "he's proved me wrong" angle on this thread. I didn't think there was any doubt about his ability or credentials to do the job football-wise, or at least that wasn't folks' problem with his appointment. It was the Cardiff racist, homophobic, mysogynistic texts that were the issue.

I was personally uneasy although I generally think people should get 2nd chances. Yes, he's done the training courses and paid the price of his misdemeanours, but is he really contrite? tbh, the interviews here didn't shed much light. When "troubles at Cardiff" are obliquely brought up by Leckie and the other guy he kind of brushes past them and swiftly changes tack to make it about having family support etc.

Now it could be he is genuinely full of remorse but is savvy enough to know that any public statement is going to make a nice headline and drag it all up again or he could feel he didn't do much wrong...

Hard to tell and tbh, I'm still uneasy. He's doing his job well though, as far as I can tell.

It was over a decade ago, get over it. Why should he have to keep talking about it

[HoboHarry]

I don't really get the "he's proved me wrong" angle on this thread. I didn't think there was any doubt about his ability or credentials to do the job football-wise, or at least that wasn't folks' problem with his appointment. It was the Cardiff racist, homophobic, mysogynistic texts that were the issue.

I was personally uneasy although I generally think people should get 2nd chances. Yes, he's done the training courses and paid the price of his misdemeanours, but is he really contrite? tbh, the interviews here didn't shed much light. When "troubles at Cardiff" are obliquely brought up by Leckie and the other guy he kind of brushes past them and swiftly changes tack to make it about having family support etc.

Now it could be he is genuinely full of remorse but is savvy enough to know that any public statement is going to make a nice headline and drag it all up again or he could feel he didn't do much wrong...

Hard to tell and tbh, I'm still uneasy. He's doing his job well though, as far as I can tell.
Are we seriously still going on about this? Christ if I had a dollar for every time I said something off color in my lifetime I'd be pretty wealthy.

[overdrive]

I don't really get the "he's proved me wrong" angle on this thread. I didn't think there was any doubt about his ability or credentials to do the job football-wise, or at least that wasn't folks' problem with his appointment. It was the Cardiff racist, homophobic, mysogynistic texts that were the issue.

I was personally uneasy although I generally think people should get 2nd chances. Yes, he's done the training courses and paid the price of his misdemeanours, but is he really contrite? tbh, the interviews here didn't shed much light. When "troubles at Cardiff" are obliquely brought up by Leckie and the other guy he kind of brushes past them and swiftly changes tack to make it about having family support etc.

Now it could be he is genuinely full of remorse but is savvy enough to know that any public statement is going to make a nice headline and drag it all up again or he could feel he didn't do much wrong...

Hard to tell and tbh, I'm still uneasy. He's doing his job well though, as far as I can tell.

Although most concerns at the time of his appointment were in relation to his previous misdemeanors, I seem to remember there were also plenty comments along the lines of "failed Ross County manager", "dinosaur", "no experience of being a club DoF", "wasn't a success when he was Performance Director at the SFA", "desperate for a job", "no credentials for the job and only got it because he's pals with the chairman", etc.

[Donegal Hibby]

I don't really get the "he's proved me wrong" angle on this thread. I didn't think there was any doubt about his ability or credentials to do the job football-wise, or at least that wasn't folks' problem with his appointment. It was the Cardiff racist, homophobic, mysogynistic texts that were the issue.

I was personally uneasy although I generally think people should get 2nd chances. Yes, he's done the training courses and paid the price of his misdemeanours, but is he really contrite? tbh, the interviews here didn't shed much light. When "troubles at Cardiff" are obliquely brought up by Leckie and the other guy he kind of brushes past them and swiftly changes tack to make it about having family support etc.

Now it could be he is genuinely full of remorse but is savvy enough to know that any public statement is going to make a nice headline and drag it all up again or he could feel he didn't do much wrong...

Hard to tell and tbh, I'm still uneasy. He's doing his job well though, as far as I can tell.

I know it was wrong what he did but the guys done training courses and it was over 10 years ago , really think we need to move on from this now . In every interview I’ve heard him on he’s came across very well . The club is making good progress on numerous fronts and Malky Mackay is very much a part of that . Time to be looking forward and not back I think.

[Hibbyradge]

I don't really get the "he's proved me wrong" angle on this thread. I didn't think there was any doubt about his ability or credentials to do the job football-wise, or at least that wasn't folks' problem with his appointment. It was the Cardiff racist, homophobic, mysogynistic texts that were the issue.

I was personally uneasy although I generally think people should get 2nd chances. Yes, he's done the training courses and paid the price of his misdemeanours, but is he really contrite? tbh, the interviews here didn't shed much light. When "troubles at Cardiff" are obliquely brought up by Leckie and the other guy he kind of brushes past them and swiftly changes tack to make it about having family support etc.

Now it could be he is genuinely full of remorse but is savvy enough to know that any public statement is going to make a nice headline and drag it all up again or he could feel he didn't do much wrong...

Hard to tell and tbh, I'm still uneasy. He's doing his job well though, as far as I can tell.

Maybe he should be sent to the Severance break room so we can find out if he's "truly contrite". 😃

Tbh, I'm not particularly interested in what people really think deep down and I doubt the judicial system is either.

The purpose of penal sentences, and in this case, education and awareness programmes, is to change behaviours.

Are you concerned he might suddenly start insulting minorities again and telling misogynist and homophobic jokes?

If, like me, you've witnessed how he conducts himself and think that's highly improbable, why the unease?

"We don't need no thought police" to paraphrase a band I don't particularly like.

[matty_f]

Maybe he should be sent to the Severance break room so we can find out if he's "truly contrite". 😃

Tbh, I'm not particularly interested in what people really think deep down and I doubt the judicial system is either.

The purpose of penal sentences, and in this case, education and awareness programmes, is to change behaviours.

Are you concerned he might suddenly start insulting minorities again and telling misogynist and homophobic jokes?

If, like me, you've witnessed how he conducts himself and think that's highly improbable, why the unease?

"We don't need no thought police" to paraphrase a band I don't particularly like.

I agree. I don’t really get what people want him to do to show he’s changed, I don’t really get what people want him to do to show he’s changed, either.

For some reason, Malky has been held to a far higher standard than others. Criminals have gone into prison, served their time (sometimes multiple times) in the time since Malky did what he did. They get to move in with their lives yet folk want to hammer him until some arbitrary but undefined level of contrition has been achieved.

It’s ok to let folk move on. You can at the same time deplore what he did and let him not have to think about it every day ten years later.

[Since452]

Malky always comes across, and represents the football club really well.

[Betty Boop]

I agree. I don’t really get what people want him to do to show he’s changed, I don’t really get what people want him to do to show he’s changed, either.

For some reason, Malky has been held to a far higher standard than others. Criminals have gone into prison, served their time (sometimes multiple times) in the time since Malky did what he did. They get to move in with their lives yet folk want to hammer him until some arbitrary but undefined level of contrition has been achieved.

It’s ok to let folk move on. You can at the same time deplore what he did and let him not have to think about it every day ten years later.

He should thank his lucky stars he wasn't cancelled.

[matty_f]

He should thank his lucky stars he wasn't cancelled.

He was.

[cameronw-hfc]

I agree. I don’t really get what people want him to do to show he’s changed, I don’t really get what people want him to do to show he’s changed, either.

For some reason, Malky has been held to a far higher standard than others. Criminals have gone into prison, served their time (sometimes multiple times) in the time since Malky did what he did. They get to move in with their lives yet folk want to hammer him until some arbitrary but undefined level of contrition has been achieved.

It’s ok to let folk move on. You can at the same time deplore what he did and let him not have to think about it every day ten years later.



To counter your point, it's also OK to feel uneasy about a guy with his past at the club, there really isn't a right or wrong opinion here. It's something he done, so it's fair to bring it up and use against him, just like it's fair to say he's done the courses etc and deserves a second chance.

Personally I think we should just accept the fact even if he's doing a good job, he's a controversial person and appointment and no amount of convincing will change people's opinion on the matter at this point. It's a touchy subject and nobody is right or wrong, just different views on life etc.

[Kato]

To counter your point, it's also OK to feel uneasy about a guy with his past at the club, there really isn't a right or wrong opinion here. It's something he done, so it's fair to bring it up and use against him, just like it's fair to say he's done the courses etc and deserves a second chance.

Personally I think we should just accept the fact even if he's doing a good job, he's a controversial person and appointment and no amount of convincing will change people's opinion on the matter at this point. It's a touchy subject and nobody is right or wrong, just different views on life etc.People's opinion, especially if set in stone, doesn't really matter, neither does mine.

What I can see, as superficially as possible as I don't know the guy, is working-class guy who used racisty language, was caught out, paid a price, was willing to apologise and seek to learn how maybe that's not a very good thing. I know guys who were out and out NF supporters who these days have completely changed their views. Others don't change. If you don't think humans can maybe get a bit wiser then you're wrong. Someone said on here he was a "born racist". Anyone show me some racist babies?

Sent from my SM-A528B using Tapatalk

[Wilson]

To counter your point, it's also OK to feel uneasy about a guy with his past at the club, there really isn't a right or wrong opinion here. It's something he done, so it's fair to bring it up and use against him, just like it's fair to say he's done the courses etc and deserves a second chance.

Personally I think we should just accept the fact even if he's doing a good job, he's a controversial person and appointment and no amount of convincing will change people's opinion on the matter at this point. It's a touchy subject and nobody is right or wrong, just different views on life etc.

We have different views and in that you don't have accept that nobody is wrong. I guarantee that none of those banging on about the wrong of it is a saint. At some point in their life they will have needed forgiveness. Perhaps some still will. So for me that is the only way to be. Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those that trespass. Anything else smacks of a holier than though entitlement to perfection.

Nobody is perfect.

[HoboHarry]

To counter your point, it's also OK to feel uneasy about a guy with his past at the club, there really isn't a right or wrong opinion here. It's something he done, so it's fair to bring it up and use against him, just like it's fair to say he's done the courses etc and deserves a second chance.

Personally I think we should just accept the fact even if he's doing a good job, he's a controversial person and appointment and no amount of convincing will change people's opinion on the matter at this point. It's a touchy subject and nobody is right or wrong, just different views on life etc.
If I was publicly calling out someone for some poor taste emails from 10 years ago I'd be red faced thinking of some of the stupid things I (and most of us) have done in our lives.

[Ribs1875]

If I was publicly calling out someone for some poor taste emails from 10 years ago I'd be red faced thinking of some of the stupid things I (and most of us) have done in our lives.

Exactly, I remember my first games in the late 90s the amount of racism that got shouted at players. Half the stand would egg these supporters on and applaud what they were shouting. Nearly 30 years later these guys have obviously changed and got with the times because there is very little instances of it nowadays in comparison. I am sure we could all tell stories of what went on before. There is a former player loved by our supporters in their younger days was charged with targeting a chippy after 911 because they were Muslim. Malky got caught and it got amplified in the media and he was punished. I respect him for owning up to it and making the positive changes.

Unless it's a sexual offense, murder, assault or any form of physical harm then that's when we should be raising eyebrows.

[The Tubs]

Exactly, I remember my first games in the late 90s the amount of racism that got shouted at players. Half the stand would egg these supporters on and applaud what they were shouting. Nearly 30 years later these guys have obviously changed and got with the times because there is very little instances of it nowadays in comparison. I am sure we could all tell stories of what went on before. There is a former player loved by our supporters in their younger days was charged with targeting a chippy after 911 because they were Muslim. Malky got caught and it got amplified in the media and he was punished. I respect him for owning up to it and making the positive changes.

Unless it's a sexual offense, murder, assault or any form of physical harm then that's when we should be raising eyebrows.

I dunno where you sat, but the East wasn't like that in the late 90s. Any **** that shouted that kind of pish near the halfway line got told quickly.

I think I missed one home game from 94-2000.

[HFC93]

Just sharing this cracker from about a year ago from the Terrace podcast: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=msizrYN6pLo&t=12s&pp=ygUQSGlicyBtYWxreSBtYWtheQ%3D%3D

[Hibspur]

I don't really get the "he's proved me wrong" angle on this thread. I didn't think there was any doubt about his ability or credentials to do the job football-wise, or at least that wasn't folks' problem with his appointment. It was the Cardiff racist, homophobic, mysogynistic texts that were the issue.

I was personally uneasy although I generally think people should get 2nd chances. Yes, he's done the training courses and paid the price of his misdemeanours, but is he really contrite? tbh, the interviews here didn't shed much light. When "troubles at Cardiff" are obliquely brought up by Leckie and the other guy he kind of brushes past them and swiftly changes tack to make it about having family support etc.

Now it could be he is genuinely full of remorse but is savvy enough to know that any public statement is going to make a nice headline and drag it all up again or he could feel he didn't do much wrong...

Hard to tell and tbh, I'm still uneasy. He's doing his job well though, as far as I can tell.

Only the people who know him best can are likely to be able to answer that. However, I'd like to believe that the power of education has made a tangible difference here. It really can change people.

[Hibspur]

I dunno where you sat, but the East wasn't like that in the late 90s. Any **** that shouted that kind of pish near the halfway line got told quickly.

I think I missed one home game from 94-2000.

I think you're right that things had improved by then. Not so many years before that though there were Hibs fans still making monkey noises at black players and more generally a chorus of 'get your t*** out for the boys' was pretty much a given if anyone female happened to be brought on to the pitch.

[The Tubs]

I think you're right that things had improved by then. Not so many years before that though there were Hibs fans still making monkey noises at black players and more generally a chorus of 'get your t*** out for the boys' was pretty much a given if anyone female happened to be brought on to the pitch.

I'm still proud of starting a chant "She's getting ****ged by a Hibbie" when someone came out with his recently married wife at half-time.

Sexism, Richard Gough, being ugly, homophobia, foreign players' nations' misdeeds — no problem at that point. But, at least, no-one was afraid to challenge racism as others would back you up.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Exactly, I remember my first games in the late 90s the amount of racism that got shouted at players. Half the stand would egg these supporters on and applaud what they were shouting. Nearly 30 years later these guys have obviously changed and got with the times because there is very little instances of it nowadays in comparison. I am sure we could all tell stories of what went on before. There is a former player loved by our supporters in their younger days was charged with targeting a chippy after 911 because they were Muslim. Malky got caught and it got amplified in the media and he was punished. I respect him for owning up to it and making the positive changes.

Unless it's a sexual offense, murder, assault or any form of physical harm then that's when we should be raising eyebrows.

Or more likely those dinosaurs are dead, too old to be going to games and/or screaming obscenities at the top of their lungs rather than they all had a complete change in mindset and are now accepting of all humans regardless of race, religion, gender etc.

[Stairway 2 7]

Hundreds of hibs fans sung that Rudi Skácel was a refugee and homophobic chants about Paul Hartley and Romanov. Some will post on this site, thankfully I think things are better than a decade ago

[Paul1642]

Hundreds of hibs fans sung that Rudi Skácel was a refugee and homophobic chants about Paul Hartley and Romanov. Some will post on this site, thankfully I think things are better than a decade ago

I was about to post this. I sat in the west at that time and it was more than a small minority. As you say, changed days and gladly we will never hear the likes again, but that wasn’t all that long ago.

[Kato]

I dunno where you sat, but the East wasn't like that in the late 90s. Any **** that shouted that kind of pish near the halfway line got told quickly.

I think I missed one home game from 94-2000.Yup. Do not recognise that as a culture at all. Fairy story.

Sent from my SM-A528B using Tapatalk

[Ribs1875]

I dunno where you sat, but the East wasn't like that in the late 90s. Any **** that shouted that kind of pish near the halfway line got told quickly.

I think I missed one home game from 94-2000.

I was in the old west as a 5 - 6 year old, and I remember it well. My grandad gave me a massive lecture after the games on how whatever I heard at the football stays at the football and saying it's not nice to repeat these things.

I sat in the east in the mid 00s, and there were several unstable wall punchers in stone island jackets who sat around us who were a nightmare. One occasion my friend fell off his seat and landed on the deck, knocking into one of them on the way down and the next thing this guy in his 30s is squaring upto a 14 year old. No one said a thing or called him out. I am sure we could all rabble many unsavoury situations we've seen at the games and write a book about it. Unfortunately there will always be a section of most football clubs that will spoil the match day experience for others. It's folk from all walks of life at the end of the day.

[Jones28]

Hundreds of hibs fans sung that Rudi Skácel was a refugee and homophobic chants about Paul Hartley and Romanov. Some will post on this site, thankfully I think things are better than a decade ago

More like thousands.

12/13 year old me was one of them.

Really horrible chant.

[Just Alf]

Reading this thread properly for the first time.....

I'm in my 60's, I remember back in the day my mates and I laughing about Homo's, Queer's etc... mind you, we probably wouldn't have recognised 'one' if we'd come face to face in the street.

Many years later, my two best mates are gay, we go out for a beer and have a hug at the end of the night.... people can change (grow up?)



Sent from my SM-G986U using Tapatalk