Wenger and the daylight rule

[hibsbollah]

Do we like it?

I think there are bigger issues with the way the rules are implemented, particularly around handball, but i quite like this idea. It would mean defenders would need to relearn their offside drills in a hurry.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cvgngqen0jgo

[JohnM1875]

I was in favour of it, then a few folk mentioned it would just mean defensive lines stay really deep to avoid it. Not sure it would be beneficial.

Bizarrely the one thing VAR has worked well for is for offsides.

[Unseen work]

Don’t like it personally

Would make it near impossible to play offside and would mean teams can’t play a high line.

We would just see teams playing unbelievably deep imo.

Could you imagine if Boyle or Youan just needed any part of their body to be onside, they’d be through on goal constantly. They’d do the Kyogo and start offside before dropping back for a second

Don’t think there’s any need to change it

[Pagan Hibernia]

I was in favour of it, then a few folk mentioned it would just mean defensive lines stay really deep to avoid it. Not sure it would be beneficial.

Bizarrely the one thing VAR has worked well for is for offsides.

Except when they can't draw the lines.

They could have immediately spotted that Dalby was offside (he was) and spared us all weeks of crying from Goodwin and Co.

[JohnM1875]

Except when they can't draw the lines.

They could have immediately spotted that Dalby was offside (he was) and spared us all weeks of crying from Goodwin and Co.

Aw I don't mean var up here. That's still a shambles a lot of the time.

Though, in their defence, I think its probs the overall package and lack of cameras that are more of an issue.

[ancient hibee]

Has Wenger ever been seen in the daylight hours?

[Greenbeard]

Doesn't matter where you draw the line, there will still be microscopic analysis of borderline cases and contentious decisions. The only way to avoid these totally is to scrap offside altogether!

[dalkeith stu]

Doesn't matter where you draw the line, there will still be microscopic analysis of borderline cases and contentious decisions. The only way to avoid these totally is to scrap offside altogether!

Still going to be contentious decisions but on the other side of the body!!

[Trinity Hibee]

Still going to be contentious decisions but on the other side of the body!!

Correct but at least it’s encouraging more goals

[mcohibs]

Doesn't matter where you draw the line, there will still be microscopic analysis of borderline cases and contentious decisions. The only way to avoid these totally is to scrap offside altogether!

Exactly. I find it baffling that Wenger hasn’t realised this and that it’s actually being peddled as a credible or worthwhile change.

Offside is binary and as long as that’s the case we will always be debating over millimetres, no matter where you draw the line.

Re the ‘advantage to the attacker’ argument, unless there’s actual evidence that since VAR was introduced (tightening up on offsides) there’s been a decline in goals scored then I don’t see there being any justification for a change.

[hibsbollah]

Exactly. I find it baffling that Wenger hasn’t realised this and that it’s actually being peddled as a credible or worthwhile change.

Offside is binary and as long as that’s the case we will always be debating over millimetres, no matter where you draw the line.

Re the ‘advantage to the attacker’ argument, unless there’s actual evidence that since VAR was introduced (tightening up on offsides) there’s been a decline in goals scored then I don’t see there being any justification for a change.

I suspect Wenger DOES realise that, but the motivation is more about giving extra advantage to attacking football than stopping arguments . There’s an argument that it could result in more cerebral, more technical defending as well.

[blackpoolhibs]

Doesn't matter where you draw the line, there will still be microscopic analysis of borderline cases and contentious decisions. The only way to avoid these totally is to scrap offside altogether!
I disagree, there wont be nearly as many bordrline cases, there needs to be daylight for it to be offside, there rarely is, its normally a toenail, we'd see many more goals and not have nearly as many delays of 5 minutes to micro manage the game.

[gbhibby]

Suggested this change on here long before Wenger advocated it. I started watching and playing football when in line was good enough. Hate seeing an offside where a players toes are offside. Will make the linesmans job easier.

[Not In The Know]

They should draw the lines from players last foot touching the ground.

[Hibee Mac]

It doesn't solve any of the problems people have with VAR or offsides, I really don't understand why this has gained traction.

It would fundamentally change the game without solving anything? We would still have incredibly tight decisions called on/off by VAR, if anything we might have more decisions decided by VAR as it will be harder for officials to determine daylight in real time.

What does it solve? Let's focus our efforts on refereeing standards, handball rules, and penalties being given for little to no contact. These are much bigger problems in the game right now for me.

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[Sweet Left Peg]

The way forward is to utilise technology, in order to eliminate subjectivity and reduce the amount of time it takes to draw lines etc.

Goal line technology has advanced such that the ref gets an indication on a watch very quickly as to whether the whole ball has crossed the line. A similar approach could be adopted using the GPS vests that players all wear these days.

Essentially, if your chip is offside, you are offside. No need for drawing lines, or interpolating from poor viewing angles.

Admittedly, GPS signals are susceptible to jamming, or spoofing and could be interfered with by someone with ill intent. But more robust positioning systems are available which could be utilised in a multi-reference system, using highly accurate differential GPS sensors and other, ground based positioning systems.

It's so frustrating for fans to sit and wait for a VAR offside decision to be made these days. The process could be made a lot quicker and the game improved by using technology.

[gbhibby]

It doesn't solve any of the problems people have with VAR or offsides, I really don't understand why this has gained traction.

It would fundamentally change the game without solving anything? We would still have incredibly tight decisions called on/off by VAR, if anything we might have more decisions decided by VAR as it will be harder for officials to determine daylight in real time.

What does it solve? Let's focus our efforts on refereeing standards, handball rules, and penalties being given for little to no contact. These are much bigger problems in the game right now for me.

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It just a different way of drawing the lines.It would get rid of the debacle we had in the semi final when Boyler was deemed to be offside but they could only draw the lines from a camera position which you could not get an accurate picture. Until we have automated virtual reality VAR to draw the lines we will get incidents like the one at Tannadice when they could not draw the lines. Under what Wegner proposes Dalby would have been onside just looking at the frozen image as there was no daylight between him and the last Hibs player. Bring it on I say.

[Hibee Mac]

It just a different way of drawing the lines.It would get rid of the debacle we had in the semi final when Boyler was deemed to be offside but they could only draw the lines from a camera position which you could not get an accurate picture. Until we have automated virtual reality VAR to draw the lines we will get incidents like the one at Tannadice when they could not draw the lines. Under what Wegner proposes Dalby would have been onside just looking at the frozen image as there was no daylight between him and the last Hibs player. Bring it on I say.If I understand correctly though, this wouldn't get rid of the problems you raise here at all. Yes in that specific example Dalby would be onside rather than off, but there will be new examples under the Wenger rules where there are calls being made by being a hair on or off and taking ages with VAR.

Like you said yourself it's just drawing the lines in a different place, there will still be incredibly tight calls that take ages to determine. Solves nothing I think?

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[HoboHarry]

If I understand correctly though, this wouldn't get rid of the problems you raise here at all. Yes in that specific example Dalby would be onside rather than off, but there will be new examples under the Wenger rules where there are calls being made by being a hair on or off and taking ages with VAR.

Like you said yourself it's just drawing the lines in a different place, there will still be incredibly tight calls that take ages to determine. Solves nothing I think?

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Pretty much how I see it as well.

[gbhibby]

If I understand correctly though, this wouldn't get rid of the problems you raise here at all. Yes in that specific example Dalby would be onside rather than off, but there will be new examples under the Wenger rules where there are calls being made by being a hair on or off and taking ages with VAR.

Like you said yourself it's just drawing the lines in a different place, there will still be incredibly tight calls that take ages to determine. Solves nothing I think?

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It will make the job easier for linos as they are looking accross the line of the last defender, VAR checks will be quicker, less offside reviews in my opinion 4 to 5 minutes to draw the lines is ridiculous.

[blackpoolhibs]

It will make the job easier for linos as they are looking accross the line of the last defender, VAR checks will be quicker, less offside reviews in my opinion 4 to 5 minutes to draw the lines is ridiculous.

I dont know why everyone cant see this, of course there would be the odd case where we might have a wait to see if its offside or not, but 99% of the decisions would be cleared up instantly.

Anyone level with any part of their body is onside, it's simple really and for me a great way to enhance the game and stop this stop start game we are seeing more of now.