EL or ECL

[Humo]

On the hopeful (but not guaranteed) chance we finish 3rd and Celtic win the Scottish cup what are people’s preferred option for us in the summer?

1. Win the Europa league qualifier and enter the EL first phase
Or
2. Lose the Europe league qualifier and drop into the ECL first phase.

I know the games in the ECL should theoretically be easier and therefore increase our chances of progressing and earning more coefficient points. But I’m firmly in the first camp. I’ll always want Hibs to win and can’t even consider wanting us to lose. I also think being in the better competition will hopefully increase the calibre of player we can recruit. I’ve no idea what one would be more profitable for us (EL has more money per win but ECL has more likelihood of wins), so if anyone knows the details of that I’d love to know. I’m also aware that the EL has the potential to produce a potentially embarrassing result.

I’m fully aware that this may not even happen but if we win against St Mirren and get a result against either of the ugly sisters is pretty much in the bag.

Sorry it’s rambled a bit but what’s the thoughts of everyone else?


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[CallumLaidlaw]

On the hopeful (but not guaranteed) chance we finish 3rd and Celtic win the Scottish cup what are people’s preferred option for us in the summer?

1. Win the Europa league qualifier and enter the EL first phase
Or
2. Lose the Europe league qualifier and drop into the ECL first phase.

I know the games in the ECL should theoretically be easier and therefore increase our chances of progressing and earning more coefficient points. But I’m firmly in the first camp. I’ll always want Hibs to win and can’t even consider wanting us to lose. I also think being in the better competition will hopefully increase the calibre of player we can recruit. I’ve no idea what one would be more profitable for us (EL has more money per win but ECL has more likelihood of wins), so if anyone knows the details of that I’d love to know. I’m also aware that the EL has the potential to produce a potentially embarrassing result.

I’m fully aware that this may not even happen but if we win against St Mirren and get a result against either of the ugly sisters is pretty much in the bag.

Sorry it’s rambled a bit but what’s the thoughts of everyone else?


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First one would also give us 10 guaranteed games and higher prize money.

I’ll be honest, I’ll take either right now.


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[Humo]

First one would also give us 10 guaranteed games and higher prize money.

I’ll be honest, I’ll take either right now.


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I thought the EL gives us 4 home and 4 away games and the ECL gives us 3 home and 3 away?

Apologies if I’m mistaken.

Completely agree that making any European completion proper would be immense, especially after the start we had to the season.


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[CallumLaidlaw]

I thought the EL gives us 4 home and 4 away games and the ECL gives us 3 home and 3 away?

Apologies if I’m mistaken.

Completely agree that making any European completion proper would be immense, especially after the start we had to the season.


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I was including the 2 playoff games in my workings.


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[Paul1642]

Personally I’d absolutely want option 1, Europa league any day of the week. 6+2 fantastic games for us.

As for hypothetical financial implications.

Europa league realistic scenario:
Qualified to group stage: €3,630,000
Match won in group stage: €630,000
Match drawn in group stage: €210,000

So a win and a draw for example would total €4,470,000 (plus gate receipts and minus travel)


Conference league 8 points would have guaranteed next round this year so if we hypothetically achieved then went no further we would make:

Qualified to League Phase: €3,170,000
Match won in League Phase: €400,000
Match drawn in League Phase: €133,000
9th–24th in League Phase: €200,000
Round of 16: €800,000

2 wins and 2 draws would = €5,036,000

€700k better off in the conference league on my completely Hypothetical predictions, without factoring in better gate receipts, Tv rights and sponsorship opportunities from Europa League.

No brainier for me to want to achieve the best.

Edit: Just seen above that Europa league has 2 extra games so even more clear cut.

[foxy]

On the hopeful (but not guaranteed) chance we finish 3rd and Celtic win the Scottish cup what are people’s preferred option for us in the summer?

1. Win the Europa league qualifier and enter the EL first phase
Or
2. Lose the Europe league qualifier and drop into the ECL first phase.

I know the games in the ECL should theoretically be easier and therefore increase our chances of progressing and earning more coefficient points. But I’m firmly in the first camp. I’ll always want Hibs to win and can’t even consider wanting us to lose. I also think being in the better competition will hopefully increase the calibre of player we can recruit. I’ve no idea what one would be more profitable for us (EL has more money per win but ECL has more likelihood of wins), so if anyone knows the details of that I’d love to know. I’m also aware that the EL has the potential to produce a potentially embarrassing result.

I’m fully aware that this may not even happen but if we win against St Mirren and get a result against either of the ugly sisters is pretty much in the bag.

Sorry it’s rambled a bit but what’s the thoughts of everyone else?


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This link gives UEFA prize money for 2024/25 competitions
https://www.football-coefficient.eu/money/

[Humo]

Personally I’d absolutely want option 1, Europa league any day of the week. 6+2 fantastic games for us.

As for hypothetical financial implications.

Europa league realistic scenario:
Qualified to group stage: €3,630,000
Match won in group stage: €630,000
Match drawn in group stage: €210,000

So a win and a draw for example would total €4,470,000 (plus gate receipts and minus travel)


Conference league 8 points would have guaranteed next round this year so if we hypothetically achieved then went no further we would make:

Qualified to League Phase: €3,170,000
Match won in League Phase: €400,000
Match drawn in League Phase: €133,000
9th–24th in League Phase: €200,000
Round of 16: €800,000

2 wins and 2 draws would = €5,036,000

€700k better off in the conference league on my completely Hypothetical predictions, without factoring in better gate receipts, Tv rights and sponsorship opportunities from Europa League.

No brainier for me to want to achieve the best.

Edit: Just seen above that Europa league has 2 extra games so even more clear cut.

That to me looks like it’s an absolute no brainer to favour the EL then!


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[Tambo]

Europa League for the extra games and finance would be a much welcome boost to the club.

Competitive wise the conference would probably be more realistic in getting results.

Either way I'll be happy.

[Hibbyradge]

The chances of us winning a play off for the EL must be very slim, but it would be fun to have a go.

We're not there yet though and Celtic haven't won the cup. I'm still hoping for the best but preparing for disappointment.

There's many a slip twixt cup and lip.

[Paul1642]

The chances of us winning a play off for the EL must be very slim, but it would be fun to have a go.

We're not there yet though and Celtic haven't won the cup. I'm still hoping for the best but preparing for disappointment.

There's many a slip twixt cup and lip.

I think our odds are better than very slim. It’s tough because there are some very decent teams likely to be in the draw, made harder by the fact that we would be an unseeded side in the draw, but there are always good draws to be had.

The quality of seeded teams last year was quite varied, from really tough ties like Ajax and Anderlecht, to some beatable teams if we are at our best like FK RFS, and Ludogorets.

From last years 12 seeded teams, I’d say we’d have a realistic shot against 6 of them so a 50% chance at a competitive tie.

I’ve not yet seen a list of who would be expected to be in the draw as things stand.

[scoopyboy]

I'd be happy if we are having this conversation come the end of the month.

Too many people getting ahead of themselves:greengrin

[gbhibby]

Remember the days when we feared no one in Europe. Would prefer the Europa, but if we drop into the Conference the squad will need added to as the two games per week seems to impact some teams league positions at home. A lot of planning to be done.

[erin go bragh]

The chances of us winning a play off for the EL must be very slim, but it would be fun to have a go.

We're not there yet though and Celtic haven't won the cup. I'm still hoping for the best but preparing for disappointment.

There's many a slip twixt cup and lip.
Read somewhere we have a 34% chance of Europa league and 64% chance of Conference.

[JohnM1875]

I think our odds are better than very slim. It’s tough because there are some very decent teams likely to be in the draw, made harder by the fact that we would be an unseeded side in the draw, but there are always good draws to be had.

The quality of seeded teams last year was quite varied, from really tough ties like Ajax and Anderlecht, to some beatable teams if we are at our best like FK RFS, and Ludogorets.

From last years 12 seeded teams, I’d say we’d have a realistic shot against 6 of them so a 50% chance at a competitive tie.

I’ve not yet seen a list of who would be expected to be in the draw as things stand.

Saw a list of the projected seeded teams (as things stand) and it definitely looked a tall order! Fewer ‘diddy’ teams this time around.

Tried to find it but couldn't, sorry.

[Fergus52]

The chances of us winning a play off for the EL must be very slim, but it would be fun to have a go.



You'd think that, but hearts got Zurich and Aberdeen got hacken.

We could put out a side like that over 2 legs if we got lucky with the draw

[blackpoolhibs]

What about the 3rd option, Leaugue cup group stages? :wink:

[JohnM1875]

What about the 3rd option, Leaugue cup group stages? :wink:

Can't happen any more I don't think! Can't finish lower than fifth. Though maybe fifth doesn't get Europe if Aberdeen win the Cup, can't remember.

[Paul1642]

Saw a list of the projected seeded teams (as things stand) and it definitely looked a tall order! Fewer ‘diddy’ teams this time around.

Tried to find it but couldn't, sorry.

I’ve tired to work it out but there’s way too many variables at the moment.

Club Brugge the only confirmed so far I think.

[scoopyboy]

Can't happen any more I don't think! Can't finish lower than fifth. Though maybe fifth doesn't get Europe if Aberdeen win the Cup, can't remember.

Europe is 100% guaranteed.

It was as soon as we beat UTD which meant St.Mirren couldn't catch us.

[CallumLaidlaw]

Can't happen any more I don't think! Can't finish lower than fifth. Though maybe fifth doesn't get Europe if Aberdeen win the Cup, can't remember.

If Aberdeen win the cup and come 6th then 5th won’t get Europe. But that’s almost impossible now


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[blackpoolhibs]

Can't happen any more I don't think! Can't finish lower than fifth. Though maybe fifth doesn't get Europe if Aberdeen win the Cup, can't remember.

Oh well, nevermind, just leave it for the big clubs. :wink:

[scoopyboy]

If Aberdeen win the cup and come 6th then 5th won’t get Europe. But that’s almost impossible now


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We are guaranteed Europe even with your scenario.

If Aberdeen finish sixth that means St. Mirren finish above them. St.Mirren can't catch Hibs so the worst we could finish would be fourth.

[blackpoolhibs]

We are guaranteed Europe even with your scenario.

If Aberdeen finish sixth that means St. Mirren finish above them. St.Mirren can't catch Hibs so the worst we could finish would be fourth.

Either way you have now confirmed we miss out on the millions the league cup group stages bring.:boo hoo::greengrin

[scoopyboy]

Either way you have now confirmed we miss out on the millions the league cup group stages bring.:boo hoo::greengrin

There's always a downside Blackpool:greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

Either way you have now confirmed we miss out on the millions the league cup group stages bring.:boo hoo::greengrin

On the plus side, missing out on the league cup group stages takes away the fear of missing out on the league cup group stages.

[blackpoolhibs]

There's always a downside Blackpool:greengrin


On the plus side, missing out on the league cup group stages takes away the fear of missing out on the league cup group stages.
:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin

[Hibee Mac]

Let's just get over the line in 3rd first

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[GreenCastle]

Here is another one to think about..

The money a club would generate with a Scottish cup win versus a European group stage campaign.

Of course a trophy like 2016 is priceless and it’s hard to put a price on future Hibs fans / merchandise sales and ST sales etc.


Aberdeen could win the cup but they would make more ££ from Europe surely ?

Would expect every fan to want a cup win as the £ means nothing.

Did Hibs ever report what the Scottish cup win brought the club in short term?

[Bobby's Cinema]

I'd be happy if we are having this conversation come the end of the month.

Too many people getting ahead of themselves:greengrin
It's painfully close but not done yet :worried:

[Mcbizz1998]

It’s a difficult one. Only thing that puts me off the EL is the thought of going to away days with no realistic hope of winning. I don’t want more Villa away days, I want Tripolis and Brondby.

Give me away end limbs over winning the singing every day of the week. I’ll take either though!

[Dashing Bob S]

Conference a bit Mickey Mouse for a club of our stature, that should be limited to the Hearts of this world. Europa Cup victory offers a CL spot, so no brainer.

[EGL2000]

It’s a difficult one. Only thing that puts me off the EL is the thought of going to away days with no realistic hope of winning. I don’t want more Villa away days, I want Tripolis and Brondby.

Give me away end limbs over winning the singing every day of the week. I’ll take either though!

Yeah I'm probably more in the conference league camp for that reason. Also more likely to get some niche teams and tick off a few more European countries. Totally from a selfish point of view!

[lugz]

The Europa playoff round will be extremely tough and with so many players out of contract/loan finished who knows what position we'll be in come those games.

As others have said before for us to be competitive the conference league is much more our level, i do worry that if we made europa league there would be a couple of hidings in there.

[EGL2000]

The Europa playoff round will be extremely tough and with so many players out of contract/loan finished who knows what position we'll be in come those games.

As others have said before for us to be competitive the conference league is much more our level, i do worry that if we made europa league there would be a couple of hidings in there.

Having a look at this year's league table I think there's only 2 teams we would of had a realistic chance of beating (RFS & Elfsborg). Some absolutely huge teams in there as well!

[lugz]

Having a look at this year's league table I think there's only 2 teams we would of had a realistic chance of beating (RFS & Elfsborg). Some absolutely huge teams in there as well!

Thats the thing is if it's name value people want like villa I don't mind us getting a very hard draw in the playoffs round, have that big test then play more to our level in conference league.

[Centre Hawf]

I think there's pros to both. One gives you 8 different fixtures, the other just 6. One is worth more money than the other.

But having seen how close a poor Hearts team were from making it out the group stage of the Conference League I don't think it's unrealistic to say a good Hibs team could potentially go and do it, and be playing European Football into the second half of the season.

For me I want to see Hibs competitive and the Conference League will provide the best opportunity for that. Europa League I think would sadly turn into almost a bit of jolly to go get scudded off guys like Olympiakos, Bodo Glimt, Plzen, Braga. All cool places and will be a fun trip, but after a while we may find ourselves sitting bottom with a -25 goal difference and the novelty eventually wears off.

[Hibees1973]

Difficult one.

At this stage I would go for Conference League. Although I may revise this choice depending on the calibre of player we get in the summer transfer window. We have to be competitive and win one of our first couple of games to be in contention in either competition. A couple of heavy defeats early doors against quality opposition in the Europa League would affect ticket sales for subsequent games (season tickets not valid for Euro games) and the whole thing could fizzle out.

As others have said we would have a decent chance in the Europa League play off fixture given the opposition the Yam & Aberdeen have had in previous years.

However, we would have to get very favourable games in the Europa League phase to be competitive. I reckon it's no matter who we play in the Conference League phase given the expected opposition. There is a good probability of getting to the later knock out phase.

Another point is that there are only 6 Conference League phase fixtures, compared to 8 in the Europa League. It's key that our domestic form does not go through the floor as it did with the Yam. Less European games make this a bit easier.

[Speedy]

Difficult one.

At this stage I would go for Conference League. Although I may revise this choice depending on the calibre of player we get in the summer transfer window. We have to be competitive and win one of our first couple of games to be in contention in either competition. A couple of heavy defeats early doors against quality opposition in the Europa League would affect ticket sales for subsequent games (season tickets not valid for Euro games) and the whole thing could fizzle out.

As others have said we would have a decent chance in the Europa League play off fixture given the opposition the Yam & Aberdeen have had in previous years.

However, we would have to get very favourable games in the Europa League phase to be competitive. I reckon it's no matter who we play in the Conference League phase given the expected opposition. There is a good probability of getting to the later knock out phase.

Another point is that there are only 6 Conference League phase fixtures, compared to 8 in the Europa League. It's key that our domestic form does not go through the floor as it did with the Yam. Less European games make this a bit easier.

I'd probably agree. But if it turns out to be EL and we get pumped a couple of times in glamour ties, then so be it.

[Hibees1973]

I'd probably agree. But if it turns out to be EL and we get pumped a couple of times in glamour ties, then so be it.

Yeah, kind of splitting hairs. Forgive me for sounding a bit spoilt.

Just pleased not to be contemplating the prestige of Scottish League Cup group games this time round.

[Hibernian Verse]

If Aberdeen win the cup it will be quite a bit harder to qualify. We'd enter at the second qualifying round of the Europa League and based on current league standings could face (dependent on national cup winners)

Utrecht
Braga
Union Saint-Gilloise/Anderlecht
Samsunspor
Banik Ostrava
Young Boys

[Speedy]

If Aberdeen win the cup it will be quite a bit harder to qualify. We'd enter at the second qualifying round of the Europa League and based on current league standings could face (dependent on national cup winners)

Utrecht
Braga
Union Saint-Gilloise/Anderlecht
Samsunspor
Banik Ostrava
Young Boys

Correct. If we finish 3rd I expect a lot of hibbies supporting Celtic in the final.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Conference league for me.

Aye there's more money and glamour in the Europa, but I don't think I could stand another scenario where after Aston Villa's 3rd goal at Easter Road, and still a while before they brought £30,000,000 Youri Tielemans off the bench to supplement an already strong team, a guy behind me shouted 'EMBARRASSING'

That sort of inability to face reality I can do without.

[Eyrie]

Correct. If we finish 3rd I expect a lot of hibbies supporting Celtic in the final.

Not me.

I'll be hoping for an Aberdeen loss.