Boyler and Rocky

[keep the faith]

Three games to go and no contract announced. Have to assume they are going I would think. 🙁

Read that Boyle was waiting to hear if hibs would trigger the one year extension. Surely that's not true. I'm sure he will be on good money, but we simply won't get better.

[Centre Hawf]

Three games to go and no contract announced. Have to assume they are going I would think. 🙁

Read that Boyle was waiting to hear if hibs would trigger the one year extension. Surely that's not true. I'm sure he will be on good money, but we simply won't get better.

Rocky I don't think is staying and if I was advising him I would be telling him to capitalise on this period to get something else.

Boyle is an odd one, there must be some type of conversation happening surely, whether that's we want him to take a bit less money for more years or he's asked for it not to be activated as he wants to try his hand in Australia for example. Surely if it was just down to Hibs we should have had this done by now.

[MacGruber]

Huge players for us at both ends of the pitch. Really hoping we can keep them but would have imagined it would have been sorted by now if they were staying. Perhaps European group games will swing it

[Earlydelivery]

Rocky I don't think is staying and if I was advising him I would be telling him to capitalise on this period to get something else.

Boyle is an odd one, there must be some type of conversation happening surely, whether that's we want him to take a bit less money for more years or he's asked for it not to be activated as he wants to try his hand in Australia for example. Surely if it was just down to Hibs we should have had this done by now.
Was talking to Martin Friday he's not been offered nothing yet .. i actually thought he was at the wind up .

[easty]

Rocky I don't think is staying and if I was advising him I would be telling him to capitalise on this period to get something else.

Boyle is an odd one, there must be some type of conversation happening surely, whether that's we want him to take a bit less money for more years or he's asked for it not to be activated as he wants to try his hand in Australia for example. Surely if it was just down to Hibs we should have had this done by now.

I appreciate that you want to do well by your staff, but Boyle must have been a significant outlay for Hibs, and we have an option on him for another year in his contract. We should be activating it.

If he wants to go play in Australia then he can go in a years time. He's only just turned 32, he's plenty time to do it.

[Centre Hawf]

Was talking to Martin Friday he's not been offered nothing yet .. i actually thought he was at the wind up .

Maybe it is genuinely just a case of us waiting to see what position we're in?

Perhaps if we don't get the European place we want then we feel like it's a chance to part ways and recoup the wages back into the budget. Whereas if we do get it we know it's probably worth it.

[hibsbollah]

Huge players for us at both ends of the pitch. Really hoping we can keep them but would have imagined it would have been sorted by now if they were staying. Perhaps European group games will swing it

Europe will have an enormous impact on our spending budget. And it will need to, with a bigger squad needed to cope with 2 games a week in the busiest part of the season. I bet there are Plan A and Plan B scenarios for both of them depending on if we get guaranteed group stage football and both players will know what they are too.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I appreciate that you want to do well by your staff, but Boyle must have been a significant outlay for Hibs, and we have an option on him for another year in his contract. We should be activating it.

If he wants to go play in Australia then he can go in a years time. He's only just turned 32, he's plenty time to do it.

:agree:

Said it elsewhere but we don’t owe Martin Boyle a move. He’s been great for us but we’ve also been great for him. We plucked him from the Dundee bench and helped turn him into a multi million pound player capable of earning the huge sums of money that come along with that. We’ve provided him a platform to win a cup, gain international football and we allowed him to move to Saudi and get his big money move. We then wrote off a hell of a lot of money to bring him back home (which he was desperate for) when we could have left him out there and banked the money. We also gave him a huge wage upon his return.

Hibs have already done right by Martin Boyle and then some. The extension needs to be triggered.

[Since452]

I'm sure we're doing our best to persuade both to stay. What will be will be.

[Centre Hawf]

:agree:

Said it elsewhere but we don’t owe Martin Boyle a move. He’s been great for us but we’ve also been great for him. We plucked him from the Dundee bench and helped turn him into a multi million pound player capable of earning the huge sums of money that come along with that. We’ve provided him a platform to win a cup, gain international football and we allowed him to move to Saudi and get his big money move. We then wrote off a hell of a lot of money to bring him back home (which he was desperate for) when we could have left him out there and banked the money. We also gave him a huge wage upon his return.

Hibs have already done right by Martin Boyle and then some. The extension needs to be triggered.

The money wasn't going to come anymore anyway. We didn't do it out of the kindness of our hearts, it just made sense when we were told the clubs owner wasn't going to put any more money in after their relegation to agree to bring him back instead.

[Donegal Hibby]

Only guessing but I think we might see Boyle stay yet especially if we secure third place. My gut feeling on Rocky is he’ll be away . I don’t think the way he’s been performing will have gone unnoticed and there will be clubs interested that can offer him better terms than ours .. hope I’m wrong as I’d love to see the two of them stay though.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The money wasn't going to come anymore anyway. We didn't do it out of the kindness of our hearts, it just made sense when we were told the clubs owner wasn't going to put any more money in after their relegation to agree to bring him back instead.

If that’s the case then there would still have been the potential for legal proceedings etc or a sale to a different club in Saudi etc. Whatever way we want to look at it, we done him a huge favour by writing off the remaining money due and offering him a return home to his family with a huge wage.

[Springbank]

A win on Saturday or at St Mirren next wednesday should give enough reassurance of group stage fitba and brings full clarity to the wider budget

[nonshinyfinish]

A win on Saturday or at St Mirren next wednesday should give enough reassurance of group stage fitba and brings full clarity to the wider budget

Not really, we won't know for sure until after the cup final

[Hibbyradge]

If that’s the case then there would still have been the potential for legal proceedings etc or a sale to a different club in Saudi etc. Whatever way we want to look at it, we done him a huge favour by writing off the remaining money due and offering him a return home to his family with a huge wage.

I might be wrong, but I don't think we wrote off the remaining money. We just weren't going to get it whether we took him back or not. Legal proceedings would be very costly and have been dragged out for years.

The Saudis might be very rich, but they're also very good at non-payment!

In the end it was a convenient arrangement which suited both clubs.

[Jones28]

I might be wrong, but I don't think we wrote off the remaining money. We just weren't going to get it whether we took him back or not. Legal proceedings would be very costly and have been dragged out for years.

The Saudis might be very rich, but they're also very good at non-payment!

In the end it was a convenient arrangement which suited both clubs.

We effectively banked over a million for a 6 month loan, it was as good a deal as we could have hoped for and worked for everyone involved.

[LaMotta]

Not really, we won't know for sure until after the cup final

:agree: Guaranteed group stage football gives us millions incoming, and would be far easier to shell out c.£500k ( or whatever it might be) on his final years wages. I think its pretty likely and sensible thats what Hibs are waiting for.

Thats based on rumours of £10k a week wages, but it could be less than that.

Having said that - 17 goals and 10 assists this season, could argue it is worth paying his wages no matter what European route we end up in.

[Centre Hawf]

I might be wrong, but I don't think we wrote off the remaining money. We just weren't going to get it whether we took him back or not. Legal proceedings would be very costly and have been dragged out for years.

The Saudis might be very rich, but they're also very good at non-payment!

In the end it was a convenient arrangement which suited both clubs.

This is my understanding of it, everyone bar the club in Saudi won in the transfer. We got a hefty fee for a 6 month loan and Martin Boyle made a lovely sum of money and was back for next season.

[Brightside]

:agree: Guaranteed group stage football gives us millions incoming, and would be far easier to shell out c.£500k ( or whatever it might be) on his final years wages. I think its pretty likely and sensible thats what Hibs are waiting for.

Thats based on rumours of £10k a week wages, but it could be less than that.

Yep - agreed.

[Vini1875]

How does it work when a club triggers the extra year option?

I am assuming the player remains on the same wages and there are no negotiations. In Martin Boyle's case that would mean the club him £10k a week, if rumours are true.

I actually think he is worth that to us, but it is whether or not the club can make the numbers work.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

If we get guaranteed group stage football then the priority for me would be Triantis too. He’s going to be a big miss, albeit I have no idea of the quality of Manneh yet.

[CapitalGreen]

How does it work when a club triggers the extra year option?

I am assuming the player remains on the same wages and there are no negotiations. In Martin Boyle's case that would mean the club him £10k a week, if rumours are true.

I actually think he is worth that to us, but it is whether or not the club can make the numbers work.

Might not be the same wage but will have been agreed when the original contract was signed.

[Hibs07p]

Silence is golden, (for the oldies), there has been nothing from both sides re contract discussions, might be a late (already signed) resigning for one, or both to boost ST sales, or I might be completely wrong, not for the first time.

GGTTH
Scottish Cup Winners
2016

[Centre Hawf]

How does it work when a club triggers the extra year option?

I am assuming the player remains on the same wages and there are no negotiations. In Martin Boyle's case that would mean the club him £10k a week, if rumours are true.

I actually think he is worth that to us, but it is whether or not the club can make the numbers work.

Can be anything really as long as it's agreed by both parties. The trade off for the club having the extra year option might be he gets an extra couple grand a week or a wee bonus of sorts.

[Shrekko]

Having said that - 17 goals and 10 assists this season, could argue it is worth paying his wages no matter what European route we end up in.

The club surely have to factor in the question - how much does it cost to replace what we'd lose if Boyler leaves?

Considerably more than 500k a year I'd guess, and that's not including all the intangibles that he brings such as personality, fan connection, and influence in the dressing room.

[green day]

The club surely have to factor in the question - how much does it cost to replace what we'd lose if Boyler leaves?

Considerably more than 500k a year I'd guess, and that's not including all the intangibles that he brings such as personality, fan connection, and influence in the dressing room.

And hes a senior player, current captain, leads by example on the field (see that run back to win a foul in front of the West on Saturday?) etc etc etc

[HibsGW]

There really isn’t any discussion to be had, Boyle has been right amongst our very best players for ages now and he’s a fan favourite, if we have the option to keep him for another year at a price we were obviously happy enough to negotiate in the past, we do it. We won’t replace him with someone of equal ability so it’s an easy call.

[Onion]

Huge players for us at both ends of the pitch. Really hoping we can keep them but would have imagined it would have been sorted by now if they were staying. Perhaps European group games will swing it

All of our competitors incl the OF will be delighted when Boyle leaves Hibs. He has been our most effective player for so many years, and is a nightmare for any defence when he's on his game. If we get Euro league games, we should definitely be extending his contract.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Don’t we have an option for an extra year on Boyle? If so we don’t need to offer anything?

[keep the faith]

Don’t we have an option for an extra year on Boyle? If so we don’t need to offer anything?

We do need to trigger the extra year though and (incredibly) we dont seem to have done that yet.

[DH1875]

We do need to trigger the extra year though and (incredibly) we dont seem to have done that yet.

Yeah even if we are then gonna sell him. Letting him go for free (unless maybe to Oz) is just mental.

[LaMotta]

The club surely have to factor in the question - how much does it cost to replace what we'd lose if Boyler leaves?

Considerably more than 500k a year I'd guess, and that's not including all the intangibles that he brings such as personality, fan connection, and influence in the dressing room.

Yeh agreed! If he's even half as productive as he has been this season he'd be making a major contribution.

[The Modfather]

Was talking to Martin Friday he's not been offered nothing yet .. i actually thought he was at the wind up .

Doesn’t the double negative mean he has been offered something? Shrewd wordplay by Boyle 😀

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Rocky will obviously have better options if there's no transfer fee involved and at his age, it's his next contract that should secure his future after football. He's more than paid his way IMO and if he leaves it should be with our best wishes.

[ancient hibee]

We must really be on the up and up if we are happy to lose our top goal scorer.

[LaMotta]

Rocky will obviously have better options if there's no transfer fee involved and at his age, it's his next contract that should secure his future after football. He's more than paid his way IMO and if he leaves it should be with our best wishes.

I think a Rocky new deal would have been announced by now. I would love to keep him but chances are he has signed a pre contract with someone else and it's just (sensibly) being kept under wraps until the season is over.

[CentreForward]

Got a feeling that at least one of them will he here next season. Wouldn’t entirely rule out both yet.

[Hibbyradge]

Got a feeling that at least one of them will he here next season. Wouldn’t entirely rule out both yet.

You should.

[scoopyboy]

We must really be on the up and up if we are happy to lose our top goal scorer.

Have people said they would be happy to lose him?

[CentreForward]

You should.


You’ve spoilt my fun :na na:

[Hibbyradge]

You’ve spoilt my fun :na na:

Soz.

[hibsbollah]

You should.

Is this ITK knowledge talking?

[Hibbyradge]

Is this ITK knowledge talking?

Unfortunately.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Have people said they would be happy to lose him?

Whilst people haven’t said they’d be happy there’s been a considerable amount of posts alluding to the idea we should let him go, for free, if he wants to. That to me is mental.

[hibsbollah]

Unfortunately.

Goddalming :grr:

[BILLYHIBS]

Whilst people haven’t said they’d be happy there’s been a considerable amount of posts alluding to the idea we should let him go, for free, if he wants to. That to me is mental.

He can go once he has scored 100 goals 😀

[RIP]

Malky seems to be doing a good job in the DoF role.

However if he loses Martin or Rocky over a failure to offer a realistic contract, I think that goodwill will evaporate very swiftly.

They are our most effective players and it's unlikely that we will be able to replace with better.

[Brightside]

We do need to trigger the extra year though and (incredibly) we dont seem to have done that yet.

Contract has to be agreed though. Same as we did with Miller. Clearly easier to do that with miller. If both parties can agree the one year terms im sure it will happen. Would seem over the top to just give him the same deal when he is another year older.

[JimBHibees]

Unfortunately.

Both leaving ?

[JimBHibees]

Malky seems to be doing a good job in the DoF role.

However if he loses Martin or Rocky over a failure to offer a realistic contract, I think that goodwill will evaporate very swiftly.

They are our most effective players and it's unlikely that we will be able to replace with better.

If players leave they will have wanted to would be harsh to blame club imo.

[JohnM1875]

Malky seems to be doing a good job in the DoF role.

However if he loses Martin or Rocky over a failure to offer a realistic contract, I think that goodwill will evaporate very swiftly.

They are our most effective players and it's unlikely that we will be able to replace with better.

Maybe a year or so ago, I'd have agreed about the goodwill evaporating swiftly. But I think most folk would agree the club is run differently now, and we’d have done all we can to keep both

[04Sauzee]

Unfortunately.

Must say I find this bizarre then

https://i.ibb.co/B2rn04xr/Screenshot-20250506-193538.png (https://ibb.co/8gdY1zpd)

[ancient hibee]

Have people said they would be happy to lose him?

"we" refers to Hibs not posters on here. What we think has no effect on what will happen.

[Hibbyradge]

Must say I find this bizarre then

https://i.ibb.co/B2rn04xr/Screenshot-20250506-193538.png (https://ibb.co/8gdY1zpd)

Why is it bizarre?

[scoopyboy]

"we" refers to Hibs not posters on here. What we think has no effect on what will happen.

I've not seen any comment from Hibs to indicate to me that they're happy to see him go.

You're just making things up

[EH54]

I would be shocked if both haven’t been offered a decent contract to stay, I understand why Hibs might not want to offer Boyle the automatic extension if it’s on the same contract he’s on now which after his Saudi move I heard was very big. Would love to see them both stay and hopefully that’s the case.

[CapitalGreen]

Contract has to be agreed though. Same as we did with Miller. Clearly easier to do that with miller. If both parties can agree the one year terms im sure it will happen. Would seem over the top to just give him the same deal when he is another year older.

This isn’t true. The terms for the one year extension are agreed when the initial contract is signed. There is no new negotiation or need for agreement from the player. The clubs holds the option to exercise the extension before a specified deadline - if they choose to do so, the contract is extended by a year on the terms previously agreed.

[JohnM1875]

This isn’t true. The terms for the one year extension are agreed when the initial contract is signed. There is no new negotiation or need for agreement from the player. The clubs holds the option to exercise the extension before a specified deadline - if they choose to do so, the contract is extended by a year on the terms previously agreed.

That's how I think it works too.

[scoopyboy]

I would be shocked if both haven’t been offered a decent contract to stay, I understand why Hibs might not want to offer Boyle the automatic extension if it’s on the same contract he’s on now which after his Saudi move I heard was very big. Would love to see them both stay and hopefully that’s the case.

Hibs will have spoken to both players regarding new contracts.

Rocky is probably the easier. There is no option to exercise so its a straight deal or no deal. I think the talks may have been put on the back burner until Hibs find out their European fate is and how much more money they may have to play with for players contracts. It is also possible Rocky has signed a pre contract with another club but doesn't want it made public at this time.

Boyler is more complex. There will be a date that Hibs have to take up the option otherwise he will become a free agent. I'm guessing again that talks have taken place and Hibs would rather negotiate a new deal than simply exercise the option on better terms for the club. Again it may depend on Europe to see how far the club could go. I don't think Hibs will be forcing the year option unless they feel they are getting backed into a corner. It's all very well saying just let him go if Australia is his destination but how stupid would we feel if he signed for Rangers or even worse Hearts if we didn't take the option up. I think there is a game of chess going on but it doesn't appear to be affecting his performances which makes me feel he is comfortable with events so far.

[B.H.F.C]

"we" refers to Hibs not posters on here. What we think has no effect on what will happen.

When have Hibs ever indicated they’re happy to let him go?

[silverhibee]

This isn’t true. The terms for the one year extension are agreed when the initial contract is signed. There is no new negotiation or need for agreement from the player. The clubs holds the option to exercise the extension before a specified deadline - if they choose to do so, the contract is extended by a year on the terms previously agreed.

The deadline time must be very close to expiring very soon, Boyle will need to look for a new club as well.

[overdrive]

Why is it bizarre?

I think there’s some confusion about stuff Rocky’s brother comes out with about him. He’s an agent but I don’t think he’s actually Rocky’s agent.

[jeffers]

Rocky asking for too much is what I was told.

[ancient hibee]

I've not seen any comment from Hibs to indicate to me that they're happy to see him go.

You're just making things up

Or that they’re happy for him to stay.Which is a big change to how Hibs normally behave when dealing with a major player.

[Paulie Walnuts]

This isn’t true. The terms for the one year extension are agreed when the initial contract is signed. There is no new negotiation or need for agreement from the player. The clubs holds the option to exercise the extension before a specified deadline - if they choose to do so, the contract is extended by a year on the terms previously agreed.

:agree:

If we still had to agree a contract then we wouldn’t have an option.

[scoopyboy]

The deadline time must be very close to expiring very soon, Boyle will need to look for a new club as well.

He wouldn't be short of offers the minute he becomes a free agent.

I can't see Hibs allowing that to happen

[scoopyboy]

Rocky asking for too much is what I was told.

Which is the way negotiating goes.

Rocky wants too much.

Hibs offer too little.

Meet somewhere between the two figures

Reminds me of annual wage negotiations before I retired

[CapitalGreen]

I think there’s some confusion about stuff Rocky’s brother comes out with about him. He’s an agent but I don’t think he’s actually Rocky’s agent.

Rocky is still signed to the agency his brother works for, as you say it’s strange behaviour regardless.

[Eyrie]

Rocky asking for too much is what I was told.

So he's asking us to match what he could get elsewhere which is more than we can afford.

I want to keep him but not at any price.

[jeffers]

So he's asking us to match what he could get elsewhere which is more than we can afford.

I want to keep him but not at any price.

I don’t think he’s any intention of staying tbh.

[Just_Jimmy]

Malky seems to be doing a good job in the DoF role.

However if he loses Martin or Rocky over a failure to offer a realistic contract, I think that goodwill will evaporate very swiftly.

They are our most effective players and it's unlikely that we will be able to replace with better.

We signed rocky by mistake and until recently most fans didn't want him anywhere near hibs.

We signed Boyle from Dundee in a swap for alex harris.

Yes, both are very good for us and I want both to stay. However, to suggest they can't be replaced or bettered is wrong.

I do accept both will be very hard to replace but they certainly could be.

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[TrinityHFC]

We signed rocky by mistake and until recently most fans didn't want him anywhere near hibs.

We signed Boyle from Dundee in a swap for alex harris.

Yes, both are very good for us and I want both to stay. However, to suggest they can't be replaced or bettered is wrong.

I do accept both will be very hard to replace but they certainly could be.

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We did not sign him by mistake.

[Just_Jimmy]

We did not sign him by mistake.Okay, not quite by mistake, but it was clear that we signed him at the time due to an obligation trigger by the number of games he played during his loan.

Anyway, he's far from irreplaceable.

I hope he stays.

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[hibsbollah]

We did not sign him by mistake.

I love it that this has become accepted wisdom because a loud mouthed ex-board member had a ‘look at me’ moment.

[Donegal Hibby]

Malky seems to be doing a good job in the DoF role.

However if he loses Martin or Rocky over a failure to offer a realistic contract, I think that goodwill will evaporate very swiftly.

They are our most effective players and it's unlikely that we will be able to replace with better.

Boyle may have decided it’s time to move to Australia and Rocky for a new challenge and more money, might be nothing Malky can do about either situation…

I would like them to stay but if they do move on ( good luck to them) I’m sure the club will do everything possible to find suitable replacements . We lost good players before and replaced them .

[BoomtownHibees]

We signed rocky by mistake and until recently most fans didn't want him anywhere near hibs.

We signed Boyle from Dundee in a swap for alex harris.

Yes, both are very good for us and I want both to stay. However, to suggest they can't be replaced or bettered is wrong.

I do accept both will be very hard to replace but they certainly could be.

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Where we signed Boyle from isn’t really relevant. The level of player we have now has improved massively since then and would be very difficult to replace

[BoomtownHibees]

Boyle may have decided it’s time to move to Australia and Rocky for a new challenge and more money, might be nothing Malky can do about either situation…

I would like them to stay but if they do move on ( good luck to them) I’m sure the club will do everything possible to find suitable replacements . We lost good players before and replaced them .

Boyle won’t have a choice if Malky decides to trigger his extension

Hopefully we have someone who is happy to stay

[KeithTheHibby]

We signed rocky by mistake and until recently most fans didn't want him anywhere near hibs.

We signed Boyle from Dundee in a swap for alex harris.

Yes, both are very good for us and I want both to stay. However, to suggest they can't be replaced or bettered is wrong.

I do accept both will be very hard to replace but they certainly could be.

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Boyle has 17 goals this season and quite a few assists. I’d say he’d be very difficult to replace.

[Donegal Hibby]

Boyle won’t have a choice if Malky decides to trigger his extension

Hopefully we have someone who is happy to stay

Thats true , in he has no choice if Malky triggers his extension but if he for argument sake say wants to move at this stage of his career to Australia do we still trigger his extension ? Also been said on here he’d have to take a drop in wages too , would he be happy with that as well ? .

[basehibby]

I'll be amazed if the 1 year extension is not triggered with Boyle and would be very disappointed if it didn't happen. Rocky is a different story as there will no doubt be interest in him with his contract up. I'd love him to stay and he's clearly loving it at Hibs - but money talks and I'd imagine he'll be able to pick up much more than Hibs can offer in some moneybags league somewhere after his barnstorming performances this season. Contrary to the Boyler situ I'd be amazed if he's NOT playing his football elsewhere next season mores the pity - I'll wish him good luck though as he's earned the opportunity.

[keep the faith]

Okay, not quite by mistake, but it was clear that we signed him at the time due to an obligation trigger by the number of games he played during his loan.

Anyway, he's far from irreplaceable.

I hope he stays.

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I dont agree. I genuinely think we could not replace what Boyle brings in terms of goals, energy, impact leadership and passion for the club.

[silverhibee]

He wouldn't be short of offers the minute he becomes a free agent.

I can't see Hibs allowing that to happen

Don’t know if it’s possible for a club to buy out the year extension, there could be other things in his contract that we will know nothing about, I’m with Hibbyradge, I think he will move on in the summer to set up a new life for his family.

[scoopyboy]

Don’t know if it’s possible for a club to buy out the year extension, there could be other things in his contract that we will know nothing about, I’m with Hibbyradge, I think he will move on in the summer to set up a new life for his family.

If he is going to Australia with his family then he would go with my best wishes .

What I don’t want is for him to sign for another Scottish or English club because we haven’t taken up the option and moves for free

[green day]

I think we will know more about Boyle once we know what is happening in our Euro qualification.

His wifes team are also on track to play in Europe so there are more complications than with Millers extension.

I will miss Boyle when he leaves, and hope it isnt this summer - for any number of reasons.

Rocky will, rightly, do whatever makes him the most money.

[Jones28]

For my money I’d be throwing whatever Rocky wanted at him for a 3 year extension and aiming to recoup that in a big fee in a years time.

There isn’t a centre half in this league like him, Carter Vickers maybe but is he as mobile as Rocky?

[Since90+2]

IMO if Boyle says to Hibs he wants to take his family to Australia, they'll not trigger the extension.

He's the highest earner at the club and I'm not sure you'd want that to be the case with a player who wants away.

Not sure how old his kids are, but the younger you make the move the easier it will be for them to settle.

He's a club legend and will go with everyone's best wishes.

[easty]

I cannae really get my head around this "if he wants a different life in Australia I'm happy to let him go" chat.

He's not long turned 32, he's easily got another season and more at this level in him. 17 goals and 10 assists in 41 games this season. Captained us since the start of the year.

We've got an option on one of our most important players, but we're considering letting him walk? If it happens it's an absolute joke of a decision by Hibs.

We triggered a year extension on Miller, I take it he just didnae want to go anywhere else for free?

[Thatdayinmay16]

I cannae really get my head around this "if he wants a different life in Australia I'm happy to let him go" chat.

He's not long turned 32, he's easily got another season and more at this level in him. 17 goals and 10 assists in 41 games this season. Captained us since the start of the year.

We've got an option on one of our most important players, but we're considering letting him walk? If it happens it's an absolute joke of a decision by Hibs.

We triggered a year extension on Miller, I take it he just didnae want to go anywhere else for free?

With you on this.

32 year old still technically in his prime years with the numbers he has this season and the fact the man always turns up in big games, we'd be absolutely bonkers not to trigger the extension.

[Centre Hawf]

I cannae really get my head around this "if he wants a different life in Australia I'm happy to let him go" chat.

He's not long turned 32, he's easily got another season and more at this level in him. 17 goals and 10 assists in 41 games this season. Captained us since the start of the year.

We've got an option on one of our most important players, but we're considering letting him walk? If it happens it's an absolute joke of a decision by Hibs.

We triggered a year extension on Miller, I take it he just didnae want to go anywhere else for free?

While I lean more on your side of the debate I think people mostly feel Martin Boyle has probably given time to the club to justify doing something like that.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I cannae really get my head around this "if he wants a different life in Australia I'm happy to let him go" chat.

He's not long turned 32, he's easily got another season and more at this level in him. 17 goals and 10 assists in 41 games this season. Captained us since the start of the year.

We've got an option on one of our most important players, but we're considering letting him walk? If it happens it's an absolute joke of a decision by Hibs.

We triggered a year extension on Miller, I take it he just didnae want to go anywhere else for free?

:agree:

I know we don’t make the decisions on here but when next season rolls around and we’re struggling to create chances and score goals because we let Martin Boyle leave for nout cause we wanted to be nice then I hope folk who insist it’s the right thing to do aren’t going to moan about our struggles.

[B.H.F.C]

:agree:

I know we don’t make the decisions on here but when next season rolls around and we’re struggling to create chances and score goals because we let Martin Boyle leave for nout cause we wanted to be nice then I hope folk who insist it’s the right thing to do aren’t going to moan about our struggles.

I’d not be letting him away for free but I do see where there could be an argument. You potentially end up with an unhappy, unmotivated and expensive player on the books. Letting him go, whilst it wouldn’t bring in a fee, would free up a lot of cash.

Best thing that could happen is that he just stays and continues the form he’s in. A lot of the conversation is based on the assumption he actually wants to move his family to the other other side of the world as well!

[Hibernian Verse]

:agree:

I know we don’t make the decisions on here but when next season rolls around and we’re struggling to create chances and score goals because we let Martin Boyle leave for nout cause we wanted to be nice then I hope folk who insist it’s the right thing to do aren’t going to moan about our struggles.

I may as well hand back my season ticket. Do you have the lottery numbers for Friday's Euromillions? :wink:

[BILLYHIBS]

Hat’s off to Rocky always liked him ( put a line through his first season :greengrin )

Always worked hard learning and listening trying to improve his game

I never really panicked when he was in tight situations as I always knew his pace and power would get him out of most scenarios

Played most of last season and I can only really think of two fatal errors

This season it looked like the writing was on the wall and even SDG had lost the faith as he recruited Ekpiteta and O’Hora and it looked like Rocky was to be the fall guy

Two months dropped from the team was a wake up call for the big guy and he knew he had to seize his next opportunity

He came on as a second half sub for a lacklustre O’Hora in a 1-2 home defeat against St Mirren and apart from a late mistake Dundee away in a 1-4 defeat has never looked back helping to kick start our horrible start to the campaign with a late glorious header against Aberdeen in a 3-3 draw that felt like a win

He is now playing with an unprecedented confidence and self belief that I have never seen before getting better and better with every game and he is now looking like the 10m player that Lee Johnson always said he was

His belief in his own ability perseverance and determination has paid off and he has proved everyone wrong

Hope he stays as he has now become a leader with many other leaders in this wonderful unstoppable team but my spidey senses are telling me he might be away ?

Best of luck Rocky whatever you decide to do you have earned it and you go with our best wishes

Boyler you have been brilliant too onwards and upwards to 100 goals

[Jones28]

I cannae really get my head around this "if he wants a different life in Australia I'm happy to let him go" chat.

He's not long turned 32, he's easily got another season and more at this level in him. 17 goals and 10 assists in 41 games this season. Captained us since the start of the year.

We've got an option on one of our most important players, but we're considering letting him walk? If it happens it's an absolute joke of a decision by Hibs.

We triggered a year extension on Miller, I take it he just didnae want to go anywhere else for free?

He's 32 and has given the majority of his footballing career to Hibs. Neither party owe anything to one another. But there's more to life for him than football, there will be ongoing discussions between ourselves and Boyle, but if he's considering moving abroad at the end of his contract then I don't think it would be fair to stand in his way.

He's got his kids to think about and emigrating is a big deal.

If he was looking to leave Hibs for Rangers or someone else it's a different matter altogether, but he's not.

[hibsbollah]

He's 32 and has given the majority of his footballing career to Hibs. Neither party owe anything to one another. But there's more to life for him than football, there will be ongoing discussions between ourselves and Boyle, but if he's considering moving abroad at the end of his contract then I don't think it would be fair to stand in his way.

He's got his kids to think about and emigrating is a big deal.

If he was looking to leave Hibs for Rangers or someone else it's a different matter altogether, but he's not.

I know football is a mercenary existence, but those ****ers were singing ‘to die a Feenyin Basturk’ at him when he was lying out cold on the turf last season. He would never go there, surely.

[Hibbyradge]

If he's got his heart set on moving to the other side of the world, and we stop him, he won't be the same player, imo.

He'd be going through the motions, even subconsciously, possibly resenting the club and worrying that he wouldn't get a contract in Australia because he'd be in his 34th year.

His demeanor in the dressing room and at training might change and his positivity could diminish. That's not a situation we want to engineer.

If he wants to stay, brilliant, but if not, we shouldn't stand in his way.

[Jones28]

I know football is a mercenary existence, but those ****ers were singing ‘to die a Feenyin Basturk’ at him when he was lying out cold on the turf last season. He would never go there, surely.

No he wouldn't, I was just using it as an example.

Aberdeen maybe?

[Donegal Hibby]

I cannae really get my head around this "if he wants a different life in Australia I'm happy to let him go" chat.

He's not long turned 32, he's easily got another season and more at this level in him. 17 goals and 10 assists in 41 games this season. Captained us since the start of the year.

We've got an option on one of our most important players, but we're considering letting him walk? If it happens it's an absolute joke of a decision by Hibs.

We triggered a year extension on Miller, I take it he just didnae want to go anywhere else for free?

I don’t think anyone would be happy to see him go .

Martin Boyle has been a really good servant of this club . I think someone said his wife Rachael is coming out off contract as well , maybe the Boyles have just decided it’s the right time to move and rather than it being an absolute joke of a decision by the club , the club are doing the right thing by two loyal players … I think it will come down to wither the Boyles want to stay rather than forcing them stay ….

Martin Boyle and Lewis Millers situations I think are entirely different too btw .

[Speedy]

If he's got his heart set on moving to the other side of the world, and we stop him, he won't be the same player, imo.

He'd be going through the motions, even subconsciously, possibly resenting the club and worrying that he wouldn't get a contract in Australia because he'd be in his 34th year.

His demeanor in the dressing room and at training might change and his positivity could diminish. That's not a situation we want to engineer.

If he wants to stay, brilliant, but if not, we shouldn't stand in his way.

Agreed. Depending on the size of the contractual sign on fee, it may be worth us triggering the extension with the agreement that he can move to Australia for a nominal fee.

Essentially, protects us from him going elsewhere.

[Brightside]

Malky seems to be doing a good job in the DoF role.

However if he loses Martin or Rocky over a failure to offer a realistic contract, I think that goodwill will evaporate very swiftly.

They are our most effective players and it's unlikely that we will be able to replace with better.

Rocky leaving has nothing to do with Malky. Some time players just want to try something different.

[Brightside]

This isn’t true. The terms for the one year extension are agreed when the initial contract is signed. There is no new negotiation or need for agreement from the player. The clubs holds the option to exercise the extension before a specified deadline - if they choose to do so, the contract is extended by a year on the terms previously agreed.

Sorry but you have misunderstood perhaps. IF Hibs wanted to keep him on the same terms then YES they could just carry out the extension. IF they would rather not pay him the same salary as this contract there would be a negotiation of the contract. Its totally normally and expected for Hibs to want to pay less for a player who is a year older.

[Brightside]

Is every one just assuming that Boyle would want to play in Australia? He would need to take a massive hit in wages.

[Pretty Boy]

Rocky leaving has nothing to do with Malky. Some time players just want to try something different.

:agree:

I don't know why it's so difficult for (some) fans to grasp that for footballers it's just a job. We think of our clubs as a passion, part of our identity etc etc. For players and managers it's just where they work. Obviously some have more connection than others but even then they still want to earn more, progress, try new things. It's the same with the Alexander Arnold situation at Liverpool. He's been there for 16 years or whatever it is and wants to try something different. Fans won't like that or maybe even accept it but it's not really that difficult a concept to understand.

It's a big world out there. I've worked in my job for a decade now; I enjoy it and have a sense of loyalty but I don't see myself doing it until I retire. Footballers don't think any differently.

[Lago]

If he's got his heart set on moving to the other side of the world, and we stop him, he won't be the same player, imo.

He'd be going through the motions, even subconsciously, possibly resenting the club and worrying that he wouldn't get a contract in Australia because he'd be in his 34th year.

His demeanor in the dressing room and at training might change and his positivity could diminish. That's not a situation we want to engineer.

If he wants to stay, brilliant, but if not, we shouldn't stand in his way.
I've yet to see it said anywhere that Boyle has his heart set on playing in Oz, I may have missed it I suppose.

[easty]

:agree:

I don't know why it's so difficult for (some) fans to grasp that for footballers it's just a job. We think of our clubs as a passion, part of our identity etc etc. For players and managers it's just where they work. Obviously some have more connection than others but even then they still want to earn more, progress, try new things. It's the same with the Alexander Arnold situation at Liverpool. He's been there for 16 years or whatever it is and wants to try something different. Fans won't like that or maybe even accept it but it's not really that difficult a concept to understand.

It's a big world out there. I've worked in my job for a decade now; I enjoy it and have a sense of loyalty but I don't see myself doing it until I retire. Footballers don't think any differently.

I get all that with Rocky, not with Boyle.

In your TAA example above...if Liverpool had a 1 year extension option then they'd not be allowing him to walk out and sign for Madrid cos it's a nice thing to do.

[Speedy]

Is every one just assuming that Boyle would want to play in Australia? He would need to take a massive hit in wages.

I'm not necessarily assuming that he wants to play in Australia. But I am assuming it is the only reason we wouldn't trigger the contract extension.

[hibsbollah]

I get all that with Rocky, not with Boyle.

In your TAA example above...if Liverpool had a 1 year extension option then they'd not be allowing him to walk out and sign for Madrid cos it's a nice thing to do.

Hibbyradge explained it quite well there, its not about being ‘nice’, its about what version of Boyle we might get if he felt we werent being a fair employer. Highly unlikely to be the same on fire player weve got at the moment. Relationships have to be managed.

[Jones28]

I've yet to see it said anywhere that Boyle has his heart set on playing in Oz, I may have missed it I suppose.

I think it comes from an interview he did when on International duty earlier in the season.

[I'm_cabbaged]

Rocky will know who tried to sign him and what wages they’d be paying which is probably double what we could afford.
Don’t get me wrong, I love the guy but he’s not worth pushing the boat out for.

[easty]

Hibbyradge explained it quite well there, its not about being ‘nice’, its about what version of Boyle we might get if he felt we werent being a fair employer. Highly unlikely to be the same on fire player weve got at the moment. Relationships have to be managed.

In what way would we not be being a fair employer to trigger the extension?

I don't know why it's highly unlikely he'd be the same player next season if he stays. Has Boyle ever struck anyone as someone who'll down tools and take the hump? It's not the player I've seen at Hibs. At all.

[hibsbollah]

In what way would we not be being a fair employer to trigger the extension?

I don't know why it's highly unlikely he'd be the same player next season if he stays. Has Boyle ever struck anyone as someone who'll down tools and take the hump? It's not the player I've seen at Hibs. At all.

I said IF he felt like he’d been treated unfairly he’s unlikely to be the same player. I have no idea how he feels, if he has or hasnt been given assurances, but it wouldnt be the first time a player and a club had differences about being allowed a move that suited the player and not the club. I have no idea, i thought we were talking hypotheticals here.

[Mon Dieu4]

Hibbyradge explained it quite well there, its not about being ‘nice’, its about what version of Boyle we might get if he felt we werent being a fair employer. Highly unlikely to be the same on fire player weve got at the moment. Relationships have to be managed.

Chance to get 100 goals if he hasn't already done it, playing in Europe and potentially a testimonial if he stayed for 1 more year, it's no the hardship some folk are making it appear to be, he could still go to Australia the following year

[Lago]

I think it comes from an interview he did when on International duty earlier in the season.
OK, thanks for that 👍

[easty]

Chance to get 100 goals if he hasn't already done it, playing in Europe and potentially a testimonial if he stayed for 1 more year, it's no the hardship some folk are making it appear to be, he could still go to Australia the following year

:agree:

[easty]

I said IF he felt like he’d been treated unfairly he’s unlikely to be the same player. I have no idea how he feels, if he has or hasnt been given assurances, but it wouldnt be the first time a player and a club had differences about being allowed a move that suited the player and not the club. I have no idea, i thought we were talking hypotheticals here.

Well, aye, it's all hypothetical just now. My questions were in relation to the hypothetical situations you offered up.

[hibsbollah]

Would this 1 year extension be on the same terms as currently? Apologies if covered already.

[nonshinyfinish]

Would this 1 year extension be on the same terms as currently? Apologies if covered already.

Depends what was agreed when the contract was signed. Could be the same terms, could be better as a loyalty bonus, could be less as he'd be older when it kicked in, could be anything.

[CapitalGreen]

Sorry but you have misunderstood perhaps. IF Hibs wanted to keep him on the same terms then YES they could just carry out the extension. IF they would rather not pay him the same salary as this contract there would be a negotiation of the contract. Its totally normally and expected for Hibs to want to pay less for a player who is a year older.

You said we had to agree to 1 year terms, “same as we did with Miller”. We didn’t need to agree terms with Miller, we just exercised our right to extend by one year as per the terms of the option agreed in 2022.


Contract has to be agreed though. Same as we did with Miller. Clearly easier to do that with miller. If both parties can agree the one year terms im sure it will happen. Would seem over the top to just give him the same deal when he is another year older.

[easty]

I don’t think anyone would be happy to see him go .

Martin Boyle has been a really good servant of this club . I think someone said his wife Rachael is coming out off contract as well , maybe the Boyles have just decided it’s the right time to move and rather than it being an absolute joke of a decision by the club , the club are doing the right thing by two loyal players … I think it will come down to wither the Boyles want to stay rather than forcing them stay ….

Martin Boyle and Lewis Millers situations I think are entirely different too btw .

You call it "forcing them to stay" but that's just a ridiculous take on it. A contract is a contract. We've got an extension option available to us, that he signed up to when he signed the contract. If that's "forcing" someone to stay, then what's the point of contracts at all, players should be allowed to get up and leave whenever they fancy?

To allow our top scorer, our top assister, our current captain, and the guy who's played more games for us than any other player in the squad this season to leave on a free, when we don't have to - in my opinion that'd be a joke of a decision.

Why is it different to Millers situation? We don't know if Miller wanted to leave, we don't know if Boyle wants to stay. We do know they both have options for contract extension, but we have only taken it up with Miller so far.

[Just_Jimmy]

Boyle has 17 goals this season and quite a few assists. I’d say he’d be very difficult to replace.Point out where I said that wouldn't be the case?

Both will be very hard to replace, but neither is irreplaceable long term.



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[Hibbyradge]

I've yet to see it said anywhere that Boyle has his heart set on playing in Oz, I may have missed it I suppose.

I did use the conjunction "if".

However, he did say this in an interview a while ago; "“That's always been a part of my plan. I've committed to Hibernian for the next two-to-three seasons but I'm not getting any younger and I'd really like to experience playing over there. Hopefully one day in the future I can come out there and represent one of the clubs out there."

That's where the speculation has come from.

[Just_Jimmy]

I dont agree. I genuinely think we could not replace what Boyle brings in terms of goals, energy, impact leadership and passion for the club.That post was about Rocky.

Boyle is more valuable than Rocky. For the reasons you list, but the fact remains, Hibs can and will replace him in due course.

Again, I want both to stay.

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[Hibbyradge]

In a recent interview he was asked about reaching 100 goals for Hibs.

He agreed that he'd like to achieve that and said "There are plenty games left".

That suggested to me that he needed to achieve it in those games as he wouldn't be here next season.

Also, when he scored on Saturday, he put 4 fingers up to his friends/family in the stand indicating that's how many he had left to score. (I thought he'd only scored 95, btw).

If he intended being here next season, I don't think he'd have reacted like that because he would know that he'd achieve 100 easily.

Am I reading too much into all that? Maybe, but if I could get odds on him leaving, I'd bet big.

Cue Hibs announcing a 2 year deal. :hilarious

[Paulie Walnuts]

If he's got his heart set on moving to the other side of the world, and we stop him, he won't be the same player, imo.

He'd be going through the motions, even subconsciously, possibly resenting the club and worrying that he wouldn't get a contract in Australia because he'd be in his 34th year.

His demeanor in the dressing room and at training might change and his positivity could diminish. That's not a situation we want to engineer.

If he wants to stay, brilliant, but if not, we shouldn't stand in his way.

You don’t know he’d be going through the motions. His demeanor in the dressing room and at training could remain excellent. If he goes through the motions he may run the risk of an Australian team not fancying him anymore.

Martin Boyle has never at any stage appeared to be a player who would down tools. I’d suggest we’re significantly more likely to recruit a player with a bad attitude as his replacement than it being likely Boyle might randomly develop one.

[Hibs3-2]

I want and hope boyle stays. However if he wants to go to australia then i dont think we should trigger the year extension. As said above, he wouldnt be the same player if he was annoyed and could factor in teams performances

I have a feeling if he wants to go, the club wont stand in his way and he goes with all our best wishes

[Hibbyradge]

You don’t know he’d be going through the motions. His demeanor in the dressing room and at training could remain excellent. If he goes through the motions he may run the risk of an Australian team not fancying him anymore.

Martin Boyle has never at any stage appeared to be a player who would down tools. I’d suggest we’re significantly more likely to recruit a player with a bad attitude as his replacement than it being likely Boyle might randomly develop one.

Of course, he could just suck it up and get on with it, but my default thinking is that if a player doesn't want to be at a club, they shouldn't be forced to stay.

We don't have long to wait before we find out. I hope he stays and is happy to do so. My instinct tells me he'll leave though.

[TrinityHFC]

Okay, not quite by mistake, but it was clear that we signed him at the time due to an obligation trigger by the number of games he played during his loan.

Anyway, he's far from irreplaceable.

I hope he stays.

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It was explained on a video call. Can’t recall now if it was an AGM or a Q&A thing with Ron Gordon that the number of games played triggered an option and not an obligation. We actively chose to exercise it. We were not forced to do it.

[keep the faith]

It was explained on a video call. Can’t recall now if it was an AGM or a Q&A thing with Ron Gordon that the number of games played triggered an option and not an obligation. We actively chose to exercise it. We were not forced to do it.

We definitely said he was going back in the end of season round up communication, then a day or two later there was an update saying he had actually triggered a buy obligation.

It looked really amateur from the club. Worked out well though.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I’d not be letting him away for free but I do see where there could be an argument. You potentially end up with an unhappy, unmotivated and expensive player on the books. Letting him go, whilst it wouldn’t bring in a fee, would free up a lot of cash.

Best thing that could happen is that he just stays and continues the form he’s in. A lot of the conversation is based on the assumption he actually wants to move his family to the other other side of the world as well!

Risk for me is that you end up with that when you sign his replacement. We’ve got Vente for another season for example. Expensive, good chance he won’t want to be here as it hasn’t worked out.

If we don’t sign players because we’re scared they’re going to wish they’d never agreed to the contract then we’d never sign anyone. If we’re looking to negate the risk of that then a guy who has been at the club for near enough all of the last decade without ever showing any sign of those behaviours is a no brainer.

The last thing I’d be worrying about with Martin Boyle is his motivation or desire if we trigger an extension to his deal, an extension which he previously agreed to. There’s absolutely zero to suggest he’d suddenly down tools, even subconsciously.

[Just_Jimmy]

We definitely said he was going back in the end of season round up communication, then a day or two later there was an update saying he had actually triggered a buy obligation.

It looked really amateur from the club. Worked out well though.Yeah, it wasn't handled well whatever the truth was.

Regardless, it wasn't a dig at Rocky at all, I'd love him to stay and his turn around is maybe the best thing about this Hibs team.

My point was simply that given how we uncovered both, neither is irreplaceable no matter how difficult that will be to do.

Again - I want both to stay.

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[Since90+2]

You call it "forcing them to stay" but that's just a ridiculous take on it. A contract is a contract. We've got an extension option available to us, that he signed up to when he signed the contract. If that's "forcing" someone to stay, then what's the point of contracts at all, players should be allowed to get up and leave whenever they fancy?

To allow our top scorer, our top assister, our current captain, and the guy who's played more games for us than any other player in the squad this season to leave on a free, when we don't have to - in my opinion that'd be a joke of a decision.

Why is it different to Millers situation? We don't know if Miller wanted to leave, we don't know if Boyle wants to stay. We do know they both have options for contract extension, but we have only taken it up with Miller so far.

I don't think many people are saying we should just let him go as a wee favour to him and to be nice.

The consideration is, and I'm sure the club are weighing it up, if he has indicated he wants to move his family to Australia should we keep a player, our highest earner and reportedly on around 10k a week, who would much rather be moving on to a different life with his family.

We dont know how he'd react if that's the case, his reported salary even for 12 months is a significant amount to Hibs. It's not as black and white as you are claiming, they'll be nuance to it, otherwise they'd have triggered the clause already.

[TrinityHFC]

We definitely said he was going back in the end of season round up communication, then a day or two later there was an update saying he had actually triggered a buy obligation.

It looked really amateur from the club. Worked out well though.

Agree. That’s just comms though and technically his loan had ended and we hadn’t finished the permanent deal. The constant references aren’t that we made a mess of the comms though, they are about signing him by accident.

[supermcginn]

Unfortunately.

Sun reporting Boyle is close to staying, looks like your ITK info might be guff!

[3pm]

Sun reporting Boyle is close to staying, looks like your ITK info might be guff!

Let's see if he signs first. 😁

[Galahibby]

I think we will know more about Boyle once we know what is happening in our Euro qualification.

His wifes team are also on track to play in Europe so there are more complications than with Millers extension.

I will miss Boyle when he leaves, and hope it isnt this summer - for any number of reasons.

Rocky will, rightly, do whatever makes him the most money.

I mentioned on another thread that Hibs Women potentially getting into the Champions League would surely be a huge ambition for Rachael. Also, would Martin not be due a testimonial next season? That’s a pretty sizeable incentive. Either way, they would both (the Boyles) go with my best wishes for what they’ve already given to the club. Rocky I’d love to see sign a new deal, even if it meant him just staying another year then moving on for a decent fee.

[tamig]

Sun reporting Boyle is close to staying, looks like your ITK info might be guff!

You’re a charmer. 🙄

[DH1875]

If we have a years option and want him to stay, why are we in negotiations? Just trigger the clause.

[JohnM1875]

If we have a years option and want him to stay, why are we in negotiations? Just trigger the clause.

Think the chat earlier on was we're trying for a two year deal on reduced terms. So that'll need to be negotiated.

[Donegal Hibby]

Fingers crossed the article in “ The Sun “ is true though also says he’s attracted the interest of several clubs and that Hibs are hopeful rather than anything is confirmed .. read a lot of the suns sports articles over the years , enough to know they get a lot wrong too .

[babahibs]

Sun reporting Boyle is close to staying, looks like your ITK info might be guff!

The Sun, must be true rofl

[Hibbyradge]

Sun reporting Boyle is close to staying, looks like your ITK info might be guff!

I have no information about Boyle.

[Gmack7]

Surely gets a testimonial if he stays for another 2 years, while not consecutive it be the thick end of 12 years service if he stays for another 2 years

[jeffers]

I have no information about Boyle.

Aye but the info you don’t have is clearly guff. :greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

Aye but the info you don’t have is clearly guff. :greengrin

:tee hee:

[CapitalGreen]

If we have a years option and want him to stay, why are we in negotiations? Just trigger the clause.

A longer deal for Boyle on more favourable wages for us.

[Forza Fred]

Again, not a whiff of any media suggestion down here that any A League club have Boyler in their sights.

Not saying that it’s not possible, but if it is, it certainly hasn’t surfaced yet.

The A League is currently struggling a wee bit….clubs are basket cases money wise and the Oz Football Federation CEO resigned yesterday.

Only suggested indicator of a move for him that I can see is his determined effort to get to 100 goals THIS season, as opposed to next season if he was staying.

[pepe]

Here’s what I heard, Boyle is waiting on Hibs offering him something and is not ready to go to Oz YET. Rocky is staying tight lipped about the whole situation, playing his cards close to his chest.

[Jock O]

Here’s what I heard, Boyle is waiting on Hibs offering him something and is not ready to go to Oz YET. Rocky is staying tight lipped about the whole situation, playing his cards close to his chest.

Sadly Rocky would be crazy not to be doing this, this year has shown just what a strong player he could, and I think will, become. In Europe with more time on the ball I think he will now really shine. Sadly. I was always a fan and always thought he was destined for bigger things, if he keeps improving at current rate then it might be even bigger than I thought.

Boyle is slightly different, there is a lot of emotions tied up in both staying and going, I cannot see him choosing to leave for anyone on this island, surely, but suppose he also has to look to his future. He is a different player now, and part of that i think is the ageing process, so that may continue. But another year of even close to his current form would be amazing, so taking the risk of a two year contract seems to me a worthwhile risk for us

[Stokesy's on fire]

If we have a years option and want him to stay, why are we in negotiations? Just trigger the clause.

Wondered the same.

[CapitalGreen]

Wondered the same.

Because if we want tie him down on a longer deal at a lower wage there is no benefit to us triggering the clause if we don’t need to.

[TrinityHFC]

Wondered the same.
We know we already have that deal in place so we can try and do a better deal.

[Lago]

Sadly Rocky would be crazy not to be doing this, this year has shown just what a strong player he could, and I think will, become. In Europe with more time on the ball I think he will now really shine. Sadly. I was always a fan and always thought he was destined for bigger things, if he keeps improving at current rate then it might be even bigger than I thought.

Boyle is slightly different, there is a lot of emotions tied up in both staying and going, I cannot see him choosing to leave for anyone on this island, surely, but suppose he also has to look to his future. He is a different player now, and part of that i think is the ageing process, so that may continue. But another year of even close to his current form would be amazing, so taking the risk of a two year contract seems to me a worthwhile risk for us
To me Rocky reminds me of Sol Bamba, Dunfermline to Hibs then to Leicester, I see Rocky following a similar path.

[TrinityHFC]

To me Rocky reminds me of Sol Bamba, Dunfermline to Hibs then to Leicester, I see Rocky following a similar path.

Not sure I'd equate the Dunfermline and Norwich steps. If anything he'd be looking for that step back to where he was.

[LewysGot2]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/hibernian

Sounding positive

[Paulie Walnuts]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/hibernian

Sounding positive

🙏🏻

[1875Sean]

To me Rocky reminds me of Sol Bamba, Dunfermline to Hibs then to Leicester, I see Rocky following a similar path.

I have my doubts rocky would play in the English premier league like sol ended up doing

[I'm_cabbaged]

I have my doubts rocky would play in the English premier league like sol ended up doing

Absolutely no chance.

[hibsbollah]

Absolutely no chance.

Im sure Bushiri would love everyone to continue to write him off. He seens to respond well to that.

[Allant1981]

Im sure Bushiri would love everyone to continue to write him off. He seens to respond well to that.

He has been playing ok but he is miles away from being good enough to play at that level

[JohnM1875]

He has been playing ok but he is miles away from being good enough to play at that level

He's been playing much better than 'ok', come on. Let's be fair!

But agree, still some distance away from that level.

[andrew70]

Im sure Bushiri would love everyone to continue to write him off. He seens to respond well to that.

He certainly needs to ‘respond’ after that today but then so do many others.

[Allant1981]

He's been playing much better than 'ok', come on. Let's be fair!

But agree, still some distance away from that level.

Until today he had been playing well but showed(as did others) why they are unlikely to play at a much higher level

[Donegal Hibby]

He certainly needs to ‘respond’ after that today but then so do many others.

Celtic before today have won 16 out of their 18 home matches , only losing once ! … scoring 58 goals and only losing 6.
Hibs have done really well in turning things around and going on an incredible unbeaten run . I think today’s game isn’t the one to be to critical of our players considering the gulf that exists between the teams.

[JohnM1875]

Celtic before today have won 16 out of their 18 home matches , only losing once ! … scoring 58 goals and only losing 6.
Hibs have done really well in turning things around and going on an incredible unbeaten run . I think today’s game isn’t the one to be to critical of our players considering the gulf that exists between the teams.

Then what's the point in ever talking about a game away to Celtic then?

I don't think (most) folk are being overly critical. Just think we could've offered more for larger parts of the game than we did. The fact folk even think that in the first place is because of how well we've shown we can play over the past six months.

[Donegal Hibby]

Then what's the point in ever talking about a game away to Celtic then?

I don't think (most) folk are being overly critical. Just think we could've offered more for larger parts of the game than we did. The fact folk even think that in the first place is because of how well we've shown we can play over the past six months.

I think with the quality Celtic have they control games , run teams ragged and force mistakes . It must be extremely tiring and mentally exhausting playing against them .

I get judging the team on other games but the Celtic one isn’t anywhere near an even playing field . I think for large parts of that game today if we were playing someone else we would probably get at least a draw ..

One game I normally cut our team a bit of slack in .

[I'm_cabbaged]

Im sure Bushiri would love everyone to continue to write him off. He seens to respond well to that.

Not writing him off and I hope still continues to improve, however he’ll never be in the same league as Sol

[Paul1642]

I have my doubts rocky would play in the English premier league like sol ended up doing

I do too, but Rocky this season is absolutely no worse than Bamba or Gary Caldwell’s best season at Hibs, both of whom went on to play in the Premiership.

I’m sure we’ve probably had other defenders do so this century but none Ali g to mind. Rocky’s performances over the last few moths are up there with our best in defence.

[supermcginn]

I do too, but Rocky this season is absolutely no worse than Bamba or Gary Caldwell’s best season at Hibs, both of whom went on to play in the Premiership.

I’m sure we’ve probably had other defenders do so this century but none Ali g to mind. Rocky’s performances over the last few moths are up there with our best in defence.
Rocky has improved significantly but he is nowhere near the player Bamba was at Hibs and I'd very much doubt he will end up as good as Bamba did at his peak.

[andrew70]

Celtic before today have won 16 out of their 18 home matches , only losing once ! … scoring 58 goals and only losing 6.
Hibs have done really well in turning things around and going on an incredible unbeaten run . I think today’s game isn’t the one to be to critical of our players considering the gulf that exists between the teams.

I think on the back of the same insipid away performance in Aberdeen it’s absolutely fair to be critical.

The errors at the back and playing with 10 men didn’t help never mind Celtic’s class

[Donegal Hibby]

I think on the back of the same insipid away performance in Aberdeen it’s absolutely fair to be critical.

The errors at the back and playing with 10 men didn’t help never mind Celtic’s class

Aberdeen game we could have played better but there was little in it IMO .

We bounced back from that with a good performance against Dundee U and today was always going to be like mission impossible ..

Most teams seem to make errors there wither its through the relentless pressure they put you under due to the sheer quality they have . Honestly didn’t think we done to badly a part from a couple of errors and certainly didn’t think we were playing with ten men either ..
https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/2025/may/10/boyle--we-will-go-again/

[1875Sean]

I do too, but Rocky this season is absolutely no worse than Bamba or Gary Caldwell’s best season at Hibs, both of whom went on to play in the Premiership.

I’m sure we’ve probably had other defenders do so this century but none Ali g to mind. Rocky’s performances over the last few moths are up there with our best in defence.

Have to disagree, Gary Caldwell earned himself a move to Celtic following on his best season for Hibs, you couldn’t see Rocky doing the same

[matty_f]

Have to disagree, Gary Caldwell earned himself a move to Celtic following on his best season for Hibs, you couldn’t see Rocky doing the same

Rocky’s form this season would absolutely put him in contention for a move like that. If you asked me if I’d rather have Scales or Rocky in the team it’s not even close. He’s been the best centre half in the league outside of Carter-Vickers this season.

[BILLYHIBS]

Big fan of Rocky but seemed to be half asleep yesterday just jogging about in the sun not picking up his man cannot make the same accusation of Boyle who ran his little cotton socks off

C’mon Rocky just two more games to go remain focused

Just three more goals to go for the ‘ton’ Martin

[Speedy]

Big fan of Rocky but seemed to be half asleep yesterday just jogging about in the sun not picking up his man cannot make the same accusation of Boyle who ran his little cotton socks off

C’mon Rocky just two more games to go remain focused

Just three more goals to go for the ‘ton’ Martin

Aye, he looked a little bit off it. Concentration, positioning lacking.

[BILLYHIBS]

Aye, he looked a little bit off it. Concentration, positioning lacking.

Idah did that run along our back line then doubling back on himself looking for the ball to be played into the gap Rocky just stood and watched or tried to pass him on to Obita after getting caught wrong side O’Hora just as culpable

Never easy at Celtic mind ?

Big game on Wednesday

[Brooster]

Whilst Rocky has improved considerably I still see weaknesses in his game. His heading isn't great, yesterday his positioning was suspect and I still see him slicing the ball when it comes to him in the air.

Talking about defenders....Jason Kerr was sitting just along from me yesterday.

[lucky]

Rocky’s form this season would absolutely put him in contention for a move like that. If you asked me if I’d rather have Scales or Rocky in the team it’s not even close. He’s been the best centre half in the league outside of Carter-Vickers this season.

That's a big shout. Rocky has improved and is playing well, but he's always made mistakes. I feel he's a better player without the ball if that makes sense. I doubt many fans of Hearts, Aberdeen, United would want him as their centre half. He's done well for 6 months but no way is he going to playing at a much higher level than Hibs.

[hibsbollah]

He has been playing ok but he is miles away from being good enough to play at that level

I genuinely remember folk saying about the same about Sol Bamba on here. The certainty with which some folk pedal their predictions is amazing.

Just a word on the Gary Caldwell thing; i always thought he was overrated and watched him week in week out at that point. But at that time Celtics transfer policy was just aggressively pursue all decent players in scotland to weaken your rivals-so Barry Robson, Scott McDonald, Caldwell, Killen, Riordan, Pressley, Hartley, all went in a couple of seasons. They dont do that policy to the same extent now.

[BoomtownHibees]

Rocky’s form this season would absolutely put him in contention for a move like that. If you asked me if I’d rather have Scales or Rocky in the team it’s not even close. He’s been the best centre half in the league outside of Carter-Vickers this season.

He’s improved massively but the best in the league? I don’t even think he has been the best in our team

[Allant1981]

I genuinely remember folk saying about the same about Sol Bamba on here. The certainty with which some folk pedal their predictions is amazing.

Just a word on the Gary Caldwell thing; i always thought he was overrated and watched him week in week out at that point. But at that time Celtics transfer policy was just aggressively pursue all decent players in scotland to weaken your rivals-so Barry Robson, Scott McDonald, Caldwell, Killen, Riordan, Pressley, Hartley, all went in a couple of seasons. They dont do that policy to the same extent now.

If you think he is good enough to play at Premier league level then fair enough, he is a good centre half at this level but for me no where near Premier league standard, personally dont even think he is the best CH in our team

[1875Sean]

Rocky’s form this season would absolutely put him in contention for a move like that. If you asked me if I’d rather have Scales or Rocky in the team it’s not even close. He’s been the best centre half in the league outside of Carter-Vickers this season.

For me there is still major questions marks he can do it in a back 2, form has been great in a back 3 but I can’t see Celtic changing shape or going in for him, I guess we will need to wait and see where he ends up

[1875Sean]

I genuinely remember folk saying about the same about Sol Bamba on here. The certainty with which some folk pedal their predictions is amazing.

Just a word on the Gary Caldwell thing; i always thought he was overrated and watched him week in week out at that point. But at that time Celtics transfer policy was just aggressively pursue all decent players in scotland to weaken your rivals-so Barry Robson, Scott McDonald, Caldwell, Killen, Riordan, Pressley, Hartley, all went in a couple of seasons. They dont do that policy to the same extent now.

Correct but when he went to Celtic he actually played, when played in the premier league with Wigan and won the FA so I don’t he was that bad

[Wheat Hound]

Whilst Rocky has improved considerably I still see weaknesses in his game. His heading isn't great, yesterday his positioning was suspect and I still see him slicing the ball when it comes to him in the air.

Talking about defenders....Jason Kerr was sitting just along from me yesterday.

What's Kerr's current contract situation? He'd be a good addition if possible.

[tamig]

He’s improved massively but the best in the league? I don’t even think he has been the best in our team

Agreed. A centre half that still makes fairly basic mistakes - often fatal - can no way be considered best in the league. The guy has fantastic attributes but flaws that still keep resurfacing. I thought just after the game on Boxing Day, he had a decent run and the errors seemed to gave gone. But they’ve come back in the last few months and cost us again yesterday. My concern for Rocky with a big move is that he will make these mistakes again, patience will be thinner and he’ll disappear into obscurity. I wish the guy well but he frustrates me so much.

[Callum_62]

What's Kerr's current contract situation? He'd be a good addition if possible.2026

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[Paul1642]

Have to disagree, Gary Caldwell earned himself a move to Celtic following on his best season for Hibs, you couldn’t see Rocky doing the same

Celtic of today are a different beast financially compared to Celtic 2006 when Caldwell signed.

A player of Caldwell’s ability would get that move now.

[1875Sean]

Celtic of today are a different beast financially compared to Celtic 2006 when Caldwell signed.

A player of Caldwell’s ability would get that move now.

Caldwell was a better player than trusty, scales and rocky, some people just don’t like him by the way he left Hibs

[Jock O]

A very interesting, and direct, interview with Martin Boyle.

Two ways you can read that, Hibs are holding out to see what happens, or Boyle only wants to sign on existing terms! End of this month the deadline, will be very interesting to see what happens here.

https://www.hibsobserver.co.uk/interviews/25154332.martin-boyle-tells-hibs-waiting-contract-call/?ref=eb&nid=2609&block=article_block_a&u=64ae05edc21fdd73b054632e7e1f2df9&date=120525

[Jock O]

Caldwell was a better player than trusty, scales and rocky, some people just don’t like him by the way he left Hibs

I agree, Caldwell I think was a very very good football player, a bit of a dour personality and his leaving circumstances seem to have wiped that out some memories.

[Brightside]

A very interesting, and direct, interview with Martin Boyle.

Two ways you can read that, Hibs are holding out to see what happens, or Boyle only wants to sign on existing terms! End of this month the deadline, will be very interesting to see what happens here.

https://www.hibsobserver.co.uk/interviews/25154332.martin-boyle-tells-hibs-waiting-contract-call/?ref=eb&nid=2609&block=article_block_a&u=64ae05edc21fdd73b054632e7e1f2df9&date=120525

Both.

[Hibernian Verse]

A very interesting, and direct, interview with Martin Boyle.

Two ways you can read that, Hibs are holding out to see what happens, or Boyle only wants to sign on existing terms! End of this month the deadline, will be very interesting to see what happens here.

https://www.hibsobserver.co.uk/interviews/25154332.martin-boyle-tells-hibs-waiting-contract-call/?ref=eb&nid=2609&block=article_block_a&u=64ae05edc21fdd73b054632e7e1f2df9&date=120525

Reads like the club are waiting to see where we are come Saturday, or Scottish Cup final weekend.

[Col2]

Reads like the club are waiting to see where we are come Saturday, or Scottish Cup final weekend.

Which is fair enough. If we finish 3rd and Celtic win the cup (which we will know in 12 days) then we are c£4m minimum net better off going into next season and have the attraction of lots of European games for players to stay/new players to join.

[Just_Jimmy]

I agree, Caldwell I think was a very very good football player, a bit of a dour personality and his leaving circumstances seem to have wiped that out some memories.Correct. Initially signed on loan under Sauzee i think, and was a bright light in another wise rubbish period.

Made his debut in a 1-1 with celtic and did well i recall. I remember thinking he looked like a good player.

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[easty]

Caldwell was a better player than trusty, scales and rocky, some people just don’t like him by the way he left Hibs

:agree:

55 caps for Scotland, Scottish Football Writers player of the year in 08/09. Over 100 games for Celtc. Over 100 EPL games over 4 seasons (where he got Wigans player of the year one season).

[BILLYHIBS]

Caldwell was a better player than trusty, scales and rocky, some people just don’t like him by the way he left Hibs

Didn’t have a problem with the way he left us personally he was upfront about it and told us and apart from one shaky game versus Aberdeen where he got some abuse he was fine always gave 100% but clearly all for himself which is fair enough

I would go further and say he was also better than Taylor and Ralston even although not strictly a full back

[Thatdayinmay16]

Didn’t have a problem with the way he left us personally he was upfront about it and told us and apart from one shaky game versus Aberdeen where he got some abuse he was fine always gave 100% but clearly all for himself which is fair enough

I would go further and say he was also better than Taylor and Ralston even although not strictly a full back

I actually thought Ralston was good at the weekend, should have been booked tbf, but looked solid and thought he looked good going forward/linking with attacking players. Was against a loan for him based on some of his Scotland cameos but I actually think he could actually be a great option on loan at RCB/RWB.

[BILLYHIBS]

I actually thought Ralston was good at the weekend, should have been booked tbf, but looked solid and thought he looked good going forward/linking with attacking players. Was against a loan for him based on some of his Scotland cameos but I actually think he could actually be a great option on loan at RCB/RWB.

:agree:

Thought he was very good on Saturday tbf

[Jones28]

A very interesting, and direct, interview with Martin Boyle.

Two ways you can read that, Hibs are holding out to see what happens, or Boyle only wants to sign on existing terms! End of this month the deadline, will be very interesting to see what happens here.

https://www.hibsobserver.co.uk/interviews/25154332.martin-boyle-tells-hibs-waiting-contract-call/?ref=eb&nid=2609&block=article_block_a&u=64ae05edc21fdd73b054632e7e1f2df9&date=120525

If he's willing to stay for another year on the same terms it would be mad not to give him an extension IMO.

18 goals and counting, invaluable experience, firing us to European football, 2 goals shy of 100 for the club, captaining the club in Newalls absence to one of the best runs of form any of us have ever seen and he's stayed injury free over this run, despite playing a huge amount of football.

He will leave a modern day legend regardless but it would be mad to let him leave on current form.

A huge U-turn from me, I'd have happily shook hands and wished him well earlier in the season.

[erin go bragh]

If he's willing to stay for another year on the same terms it would be mad not to give him an extension IMO.

18 goals and counting, invaluable experience, firing us to European football, 2 goals shy of 100 for the club, captaining the club in Newalls absence to one of the best runs of form any of us have ever seen and he's stayed injury free over this run, despite playing a huge amount of football.

He will leave a modern day legend regardless but it would be mad to let him leave on current form.

A huge U-turn from me, I'd have happily shook hands and wished him well earlier in the season.

3 goals but yes we would be mad to not trigger the extension.
Testimonial year also and Boyle would certainly get a brilliant crowd.

[Phil MaGlass]

This thread rings a wee bit like the McGinn one a few years ago, McGinn isnae worth a million hes no good enough etc, etc, when most folk could see he was really good. I think Bushiri will be snapped up by a premier league team and we will miss a packet, guys played well this season, came on leaps and bounds, hope he signs an extension. Yi nivver know what yiv got til its gone.

[Hibs90]

It is a no brainer to trigger Boyles extension.

Player of the year for me.

[Thatdayinmay16]

This thread rings a wee bit like the McGinn one a few years ago, McGinn isnae worth a million hes no good enough etc, etc, when most folk could see he was really good. I think Bushiri will be snapped up by a premier league team and we will miss a packet, guys played well this season, came on leaps and bounds, hope he signs an extension. Yi nivver know what yiv got til its gone.

Surely that wasn't a conversation at the time? McGinn was worth 10x what we made from the sale, he was probably worth a lot more at the time we managed to get him from St Mirren than what we paid.

[matty_f]

That's a big shout. Rocky has improved and is playing well, but he's always made mistakes. I feel he's a better player without the ball if that makes sense. I doubt many fans of Hearts, Aberdeen, United would want him as their centre half. He's done well for 6 months but no way is he going to playing at a much higher level than Hibs.

He’s been immense, we’ve examples of players saying he’s the hardest opponent they’ve faced this season, and both Boyd and Sutton had them in their season select team.

Our defensive record has been terrific since he came back into the team and while it’s not all down to him, he gives very little away. He’d walk into just about every side in the league on the form he’s shown this season. No question.

[HIBS NUTS]

He’s been immense, we’ve examples of players saying he’s the hardest opponent they’ve faced this season, and both Boyd and Sutton had them in their season select team.

Our defensive record has been terrific since he came back into the team and while it’s not all down to him, he gives very little away. He’d walk into just about every side in the league on the form he’s shown this season. No question.
I’ve just had a heated discussion with a older fan, about, Rocky, he says he’s been terrible all season, I checked back, and Rocky didn’t play in the first 12 games this season, apart from the odd few minutes.
However I did concede, that the Celtic game wasent great.
His return to the starting 11, has coincided, with our best run for 150 years .
After pointing this out, he said “ he’s still rubbish”.
Rocky has been great this season, unfortunately some fans , always need a scapegoat, and go back to their previous observations.

[matty_f]

I’ve just had a heated discussion with a older fan, about, Rocky, he says he’s been terrible all season, I checked back, and Rocky didn’t play in the first 12 games this season, apart from the odd few minutes.
However I did concede, that the Celtic game wasent great.
His return to the starting 11, has coincided, with our best run for 150 years .
After pointing this out, he said “ he’s still rubbish”.
Rocky has been great this season, unfortunately some fans , always need a scapegoat, and go back to their previous observations.

I don't think he got much wrong on Saturday, you could make an argument that he was at fault for one of the first two goals, but I think it's harsh.

He's got everything to be a first class defender - his physical attributes are a huge strength (no pun intended) and it's very, very rare that he loses out on a one on one duel. He's improved his aerial aspects massively this season, he's quick and powerful, and while folk still trot out the "he's got a mistake in him" line, he's putting that to bed with week after week consistent performances.

I don't have any doubt that he'll have plenty of suitors this summer, and plenty who won't be aware of - or swayed by - a reputation he picked up before this season.

[matty_f]

Surely that wasn't a conversation at the time? McGinn was worth 10x what we made from the sale, he was probably worth a lot more at the time we managed to get him from St Mirren than what we paid.

Loads of folk talked down McGinn's value - in fact, we were (by and large) all pretty thrilled about the deal we got for him, a couple of million down payment and then a hefty sell on fee. Except we never got that.

McGinn in the last few seasons (maybe not now) could easily have gone club to club in the English Premiership for tens of millions of pounds. We sold him for buttons, really.

[Donegal Hibby]

That's a big shout. Rocky has improved and is playing well, but he's always made mistakes. I feel he's a better player without the ball if that makes sense. I doubt many fans of Hearts, Aberdeen, United would want him as their centre half. He's done well for 6 months but no way is he going to playing at a much higher level than Hibs.

I don’t honestly think there’s many CH’s in our league that don’t have a mistake in them though it feels like Rocky’s get more highlighted in the media for some strange reason.

I’d actually have the opposite opinion on Rocky as I think he’s a ball playing CH’s that likes to drive forward with it , reminds me a bit of Efe Ambrose at times .

Looking at who the other teams you mention had as CH’s in the last games , Dundee Utd played Gallagher , hertz has Halkett and Kent and Aberdeen had Knoester and Tobers so I’d imagine there’s a lot of their fans that would take him in a heartbeat too . I think he could play in the English Championship tbh .

[HIBS NUTS]

I don't think he got much wrong on Saturday, you could make an argument that he was at fault for one of the first two goals, but I think it's harsh.

He's got everything to be a first class defender - his physical attributes are a huge strength (no pun intended) and it's very, very rare that he loses out on a one on one duel. He's improved his aerial aspects massively this season, he's quick and powerful, and while folk still trot out the "he's got a mistake in him" line, he's putting that to bed with week after week consistent performances.

I don't have any doubt that he'll have plenty of suitors this summer, and plenty who won't be aware of - or swayed by - a reputation he picked up before this season.
I agree with all of that, but for some reason, some fans , don’t like certain players, this isn’t new, I could go through almost every squad, we’ve had, currently Campbell and Rocky have haters, one guy in front of me,in West lower, hates Campbell, always slags him off, I made a point of cheering him on the last game at Easter road.
Before that a few fans , disliked Hanlon, I could go on and on, some people are just strange.

[Since90+2]

I don’t honestly think there’s many CH’s in our league that don’t have a mistake in them though it feels like Rocky’s get more highlighted in the media for some strange reason.

I’d actually have the opposite opinion on Rocky as I think he’s a ball playing CH’s that likes to drive forward with it , reminds me a bit of Efe Ambrose at times .

Looking at who the other teams you mention had as CH’s in the last games , Dundee Utd played Gallagher , hertz has Halkett and Kent and Aberdeen had Knoester and Tobers so I’d imagine there’s a lot of their fans that would take him in a heartbeat too . I think he could play in the English Championship tbh .

I don't see any similarities between Efe and Rocky at all. Ambrose was far more accomplished on the ball, but he never had the physicality or athleticism of Rocky.

In terms of style of play Rocky is a lot more similar to McGregor than Ambrose.

[Smartie]

I agree, Caldwell I think was a very very good football player, a bit of a dour personality and his leaving circumstances seem to have wiped that out some memories.

I genuinely just never rated him, nor did I particularly like him.

Even when he first joined it was like he was doing us a favour dropping down from Newcastle as an entirely unproven player. Then there’d be another “will he, won’t he” before he failed to get another offer then joined us again.

I could have killed him when he was refusing to make easy passes to Ivan Sproule during that semi final against United at Hampden.

He was an egotistical erse who wouldn’t be getting close to my top dozen Hibs centre halves I’ve seen since I started watching Hibs in the early 90s.

Rather than being hurt by the manner of his departure I was happy to see the back of him.

[Donegal Hibby]

I don't see any similarities between Efe and Rocky at all. Ambrose was far more accomplished on the ball, but he never had the physicality or athleticism of Rocky.

In terms of style of play Rocky is a lot more similar to McGregor than Ambrose.

Early in his Hibs career that’s who he reminded me of purely as he would come out of defence pushing forward with the ball . I think he also took risks at times which Efe did too ..

Like Efe I think Rocky is very comfortable in possession and good passer . Agree Rocky is more physical and athletic. I think since Gray has became manager he doesn’t bomb forward with the ball as much and doesn’t take the same risks either …

Really liked Rocky from early on and think we will miss him when he goes 🙁

[B.H.F.C]

Early in his Hibs career that’s who he reminded me of purely as he would come out of defence pushing forward with the ball . I think he also took risks at times which Efe did too ..

Like Efe I think Rocky is very comfortable in possession and good passer . Agree Rocky is more physical and athletic. I think since Gray has became manager he doesn’t bomb forward with the ball as much and doesn’t take the same risks either …

Really liked Rocky from early on and think we will miss him when he goes 🙁

He doesn’t bomb forward or take the same risks because his game has been hugely simplified. It’s simplifying his game that has made him a much more reliable player, he’s stopped doing things he’s not very good at. No comparison, IMO, between Ambrose and Rocky in possession of the ball.

[BILLYHIBS]

Efe was the finished article totally naturally comfortable on the ball absolute quality in possession and totally confident in his own ability

Guy was class

Rocky has different attributes is still learning but will be doing well to get anywhere near Efe’s level of quality consistency assurance and confidence on the ball whilst concentrating on other things i.e. heading and positioning

Nowhere near similar

[Just_Jimmy]

Loads of folk talked down McGinn's value - in fact, we were (by and large) all pretty thrilled about the deal we got for him, a couple of million down payment and then a hefty sell on fee. Except we never got that.

McGinn in the last few seasons (maybe not now) could easily have gone club to club in the English Premiership for tens of millions of pounds. We sold him for buttons, really.Not me, I was on record at the time and I took proper stick on here for it, as saying we got shafted and undersold.

Ive believed we'd see the sell on either.

I'm delighted for SJM to be proven right, but utterly gutted that we sold him for peanuts and haven't gained anything since really.

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[Donegal Hibby]

He doesn’t bomb forward or take the same risks because his game has been hugely simplified. It’s simplifying his game that has made him a much more reliable player, he’s stopped doing things he’s not very good at. No comparison, IMO, between Ambrose and Rocky in possession of the ball.

That’s what I said though in his games changed since Gray became manager though early in his Hibs career he did bomb forward at times with the ball and took risks which I also think Efe did and Porto another. For a big physical centre half Rocky has a lot of ability on the ball , Efe was talented too and a joy to watch even though he did get the heart palpitating at times 😆

[B.H.F.C]

That’s what I said though in his games changed since Gray became manager though early in his Hibs career he did bomb forward at times with the ball and took risks which I also think Efe did and Porto another. For a big physical centre half Rocky has a lot of ability on the ball , Efe was talented too and a joy to watch even though he did get the heart palpitating at times 😆

I don’t see Rocky as having a lot of ability on the ball. Not really a criticism, it’s not him. Playing to his strengths has been the biggest reason for his improvement. Have always thought the chat about Efe giving people heart attacks with the way he played was a bit of a myth as well. He was as good on the ball as any centre half we’ve had in recent history.

[Donegal Hibby]

I don’t see Rocky as having a lot of ability on the ball. Not really a criticism, it’s not him. Playing to his strengths has been the biggest reason for his improvement. Have always thought the chat about Efe giving people heart attacks with the way he played was a bit of a myth as well. He was as good on the ball as any centre half we’ve had in recent history.

I think Rocky is quite comfortable with the ball and receives / makes a fair few passes. It was his aerial ability that was the weak part of his game but I think that’s since improved .

Efe was really good on the ball and a skilful centre half but he was IMO a bit of a risk taker that could try something out of the blue . Really enjoyed watching him when he was at us .

[we are hibs]

With Boyles new deal I wonder if the club will announce anything on rocky one way or the other before tomorrow's game.



If he's leaving then it might give folk a chance to send him off

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[tamig]

With Boyles new deal I wonder if the club will announce anything on rocky one way or the other before tomorrow's game.



If he's leaving then it might give folk a chance to send him off

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Maybe nothing is decided yet. As has been said a few times recently. the budget will probably be influenced by our European starting point. We still need to wait for the outcome of the cup final for that to be confirmed.

[lucky]

Great news about Boyler, but it wasn't actually a hard decision. I'm sure he will finish his career at Hibs.

[one day maybe...]

How many goals is Martin on now, is it 98