Pope Francis Passes Away

[marinello59]

Sad news, Pope Francis has passed away. He didn't look well yesterday, I was surprised he had appeared at all.
RIP

[Pretty Boy]

He was a flawed man, like all of us, but at his heart I think he was a good man.

I found him something of a frustrating figure, he often threatened to do things that were genuinely revolutionary and then seemed to pull back at the last minute. I suppose in an institution as inherently conservative and archaic as the Catholic Church that isn't unexpected. Indeed his clumsy attempts at dealing with the lingering hangover of Vatican II and the liturgical issue and the schism it always threatens to cause were one of his poorer actions.

He seemed genuinely conciliatory towards those of other denominations and faiths and his calls for peace, compassion and dialogue always seemed heartfelt, his last message being a call for peace in the Holy Land was fitting. When it came to social issues such as divorce, homosexuality, contraception and so on (basically all the things everyone says the Church should keep their nose out of but conversely the only thing they ever seem to want to talk about to Catholics:greengrin) he upset all the right people within the faith. I wish he had gone further but he started a conversation that may yet see him leave a lasting legacy. His compassion for the poor also seemed genuine and predated his elevation to the Papacy. Whilst bound by the structures of the Church he made small changes that attempted to tone down the more extravagant displays of wealth.

What comes next is what concerns me. He tried to shape the College of Cardinals in his image and he made some appointments from outwith the traditional heartlands that give the liberals a chance. There is a hardcore of conservatives in there though and they will undoubtedly rally round a preferred candidate. The 'Traditionis Custodes' which restricted the Tridentine Mass and the rhetoric from Pope Francis that accompanied it denouncing various facets of the conservative and traditionalist movement galvanised them. Whilst liberals wished he went further, some on the other side saw him as a wolf in sheep's clothing and worse. I don't see a middle ground, it will be a Pius XIII or Francis II next. Hopefully the liberals put their differences aside, unite around a common candidate and continue his work. It's the best tribute there could be.

RIP.

[DaveF]

Bit of an awkward moment on BBC news this morning where the segment just before 9am was at a circus in Blackpool and after much 'hilarity' one of the circus entertainers grabbed the microphone and said 'and now back to the clowns on the studio' where the 2 presenters sat stoney faced as they then had to break the news that the pope has passed away.

Not the best handover in history.

[s.a.m]

Bit of an awkward moment on BBC news this morning where the segment just before 9am was at a circus in Blackpool and after much 'hilarity' one of the circus entertainers grabbed the microphone and said 'and now back to the clowns on the studio' where the 2 presenters sat stoney faced as they then had to break the news that the pope has passed away.

Not the best handover in history.

:greengrin

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Maybe off topic, but I'm sure that the SFA will be squirming at the thought of having to have a minute's silence and how the Nazis in Royal Blue and Maroon will behave.

[Keith_M]

Maybe off topic, but I'm sure that the SFA will be squirming at the thought of having to have a minute's silence and how the Nazis in Royal Blue and Maroon will behave.


Twenty years ago this month.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/h/heart_of_midlothian/4414691.stm

[Pretty Boy]

Maybe off topic, but I'm sure that the SFA will be squirming at the thought of having to have a minute's silence and how the Nazis in Royal Blue and Maroon will behave.

I think it will be avoided and I hope it is. It's a bit sad we live in one of only 2 or 3 countries in Europe in which it would even be a debate but it's where we are so probably best just to leave it up to individual clubs to decide what they wish to do rather than having a blanket directive that leads to issues.

[speedy_gonzales]

Twenty years ago this month.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/h/heart_of_midlothian/4414691.stm

My good mate (regardless of being a hearts fan) was on the front page of the Daily Record when they ran this story.
There he was, veins bulging out his neck, eyes wide open, a look of rage on his face and hint of spittle coming out his mouth as he shouted the abuse towards the pitch.
A terrible close up image of him and a couple of his mates with the triggered hordes blurred in the background.
The thing is, my mate was late in to the ground, he wasn't there for the minutes silence. This photo was taken during the game and was used to make it look like it was when the Hearts fans were disrupting the tribute.
He made a complaint and even got a lawyer to draft a letter to Mirror Group but it was dismissed as nowhere in the text did it say the persons pictured were involved in the disruption.

[hibsbollah]

By any objective standards, he was the most high profile and powerful promoter of good socialist principles left in world affairs.

[He's here!]

I think it will be avoided and I hope it is. It's a bit sad we live in one of only 2 or 3 countries in Europe in which it would even be a debate but it's where we are so probably best just to leave it up to individual clubs to decide what they wish to do rather than having a blanket directive that leads to issues.

No chance an attempted silence will be held at either of the games involving Hearts or Rangers. It would be as pointless as the attempt to hold a silence for the Queen at a match involving Celtic.

[BILLYHIBS]

Funeral to be held Saturday 9.00 am Vatican says

BBC News


RIP

[Donegal Hibby]

Maybe off topic, but I'm sure that the SFA will be squirming at the thought of having to have a minute's silence and how the Nazis in Royal Blue and Maroon will behave.

Union bears already at it with their awful graffiti , just can’t show any human decency or compassion at all 😞

[marinello59]

By any objective standards, he was the most high profile and powerful promoter of good socialist principles left in world affairs.

He was practicing basic Christian principals. At their best the two often overlap.

[Sylar]

No minute’s silence at any games in England since he passed, and rightly so. No need for a minute’s silence whatsoever. There’s no denying the importance of the Pope to many millions, but keep it (and the minutes’ silence for any Royal figure, even if I get that more as a UK head of State) out of football please.

My thoughts with any of the Catholic Hibs community, who are genuinely grieving however.

[Keith_M]

This is an unfortunate message to send to any of the victims, or to those (including many in the Catholic church) who have criticised the way such events were handled.


"Pope Francis' coffin to be closed by disgraced cardinal who covered up child sex abuse scandal"

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/pope-francis-coffin-closed-disgraced-35110866

[hibsbollah]

This is an unfortunate message to send to any of the victims, or to those (including many in the Catholic church) who have criticised the way such events were handled.


"Pope Francis' coffin to be closed by disgraced cardinal who covered up child sex abuse scandal"

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/pope-francis-coffin-closed-disgraced-35110866

That is the most Daily Record headline ever. Abuse shouldn’t be used as sectarian west of Scotland ****hole town petty prejudicial point scoring. But thats their dwindling readership isnt it?

[Pretty Boy]

With an acknowledgement that such events always attract tourists and curious onlookers as much as genuine mourners I find the outpouring of grief quite heartening. The Vatican estimated the crowds to be about 200K today, the Italian police initially said 75K then revised it upwards firstly to 100K then again to 150K and called them 'unprecedented'. Add to that thread tens of thousands who have waited patiently during the lying in state.

The social media noise has started with the predictable usual suspects staying how we need someone next with 'traditional values' or 'conservative views' and that creates a lot of noise. The evidence of the eyes and ears is that people on the street were very fond of a kindly man who preached tolerance, equality and neighbourliness. Hopefully the Cardinals were paying attention.

[Keith_M]

That is the most Daily Record headline ever. Abuse shouldn’t be used as sectarian west of Scotland ****hole town petty prejudicial point scoring. But thats their dwindling readership isnt it?


In fairness, a large number of news outlets have reported on it and used very similar wording, e.g. CNN (https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/24/europe/pope-francis-roger-mahony-sexual-abuse-scandal-intl/index.html)

Surely any complaints about this would be better directed at whoever decided to choose him for this role, rather than the wording of newspaper headlines.

[Pretty Boy]

Black smoke. No new guy tonight, not a surprise.

[Hibrandenburg]

White smoke.

[Pretty Boy]

Fingers crossed for someone who continues down the path Francis took us on. A focus on the pastoral rather than tedious clericalism.

We'll find out soon enough.

[hibsbollah]

White smoke.

McInnes?

[Hibby70]

McInnes?

😂

[Just_Jimmy]

Robert Prevost.

An American/Peruvian Pope.

Sounds like a good choice

Pope Leo XIV.

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[Mon Dieu4]

The Ron Gordon of Popes

[Pretty Boy]

Pope Leo XIV.

First North American albeit much of his career is outside the US, particularly in South America. A middle of the road type 'politically'. Tainted by the abuse scandal sadly. Young, by Pope standards, so may we'll be around for a while.

Could have been a lot better, could have been much worse.

[hibsbollah]

The Ron Gordon of Popes

Its a sign

[s.a.m]

Does anyone who knows more about this than me (which wouldn't be hard!) think this is a political choice, to deal with the US's right wing Catholic Church faction? Or the current state of things in the US in general?

Edit: I suppose what I mean is, I wonder if it might, at least partly, have been a choice that they hope will attract allegiance to and raise the profile of mainstream Catholic/ Christian values, and turn people away from the Heritage Foundation and far right evangelical type 'theologies'.

[Pretty Boy]

The ever cringeworthy psuedo traditionalists on social media seem somewhat upset by this appointment, particularly his praise and thanks for his predecessor and his rhetoric around building bridges through dialogue and being a church for everyone.

Suggests to me he might be a good lad if he is already upsetting all the right people.

[Just_Jimmy]

The ever cringeworthy psuedo traditionalists on social media seem somewhat upset by this appointment, particularly his praise and thanks for his predecessor and his dialogue around building bridges through dialogue and being a church for everyone.

Suggests to me he might be a good lad if he is already upsetting all the right people.From what they said, i thought he sounded a good choice. I fully admit you know more than I do. Im not catholic either


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[Pretty Boy]

Does anyone who knows more about this than me (which wouldn't be hard!) think this is a political choice, to deal with the US's right wing Catholic Church faction? Or the current state of things in the US in general?

It's difficult to pigeon hole Popes politically, and I'm more guilty of trying than most.

As an example one of the big contenders, Cardinal Sarah, was seen as a leading light for the conservatives. Certainly in terms of social issues he is. Yet being from the global south and developing world he is a big advocate for action on climate change which would be seen as 'liberal' in the developed world where it impact us less in the short term.

In terms of doctrine on social issues he's going to be conservative by secular standards, all Popes are. Francis was liberal by church standards but his views would sit well to the right on secular society. I think he'll be more of the same in terms of calls for social justice, charity, dialogue, listening to the people and being a bit more bottom up rather than a cleric centric top down. He all but endorsed his predecessor in that regard. His choice of name suggests there will be elements of the progressive about him if it was influenced by the last Pope to use it.

It's unprecedented really. A US Pope was off limits throughout history, or at least since the emergence of them as a superpower. I don't think secular politics are totally irrelevant here but I think it's an endorsement of Francisism in one regard while maybe being a bit more conciliatory to those on the 'other side' (wearing the full garb when appearing on the balcony is one display of ostentatiousness that Francis outright refused to do).

It's a wait and see moment really. People will mock it all, as is their right to do, but it is almost inarguably one of the most important soft diplomacy positions in the world in global affairs and also one which guides the views of many millions of people. I do wonder if the current direction of US politics, and the influence that has on world affairs, was at the back of some Cardinals minds when they cast their vote. A potentially important counterweight.

[Pretty Boy]

From what they said, i thought he sounded a good choice. I fully admit you know more than I do. Im not catholic either


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I'm more hopeful he will be now than I was only a few minutes ago. He spoke well and it seems his views have shifted in recent times. His endorsement of Francis and his path makes me tentatively optimistic.

[s.a.m]

It's difficult to pigeon hole Popes politically, and I'm more guilty of trying than most.

As an example one of the big contenders, Cardinal Sarah, was seen as a leading light for the conservatives. Certainly in terms of social issues he is. Yet being from the global south and developing world he is a big advocate for action on climate change which would be seen as 'liberal' in the developed world where it impact us less in the short term.

In terms of doctrine on social issues he's going to be conservative by secular standards, all Popes are. Francis was liberal by church standards but his views would sit well to the right on secular society. I think he'll be more of the same in terms of calls for social justice, charity, dialogue, listening to the people and being a bit more bottom up rather than a cleric centric top down. He all but endorsed his predecessor in that regard. His choice of name suggests there will be elements of the progressive about him if it was influenced by the last Pope to use it.

It's unprecedented really. A US Pope was off limits throughout history, or at least since the emergence of them as a superpower. I don't think secular politics are totally irrelevant here but I think it's an endorsement of Francisism in one regard while maybe being a bit more conciliatory to those on the 'other side' (wearing the full garb when appearing on the balcony is one display of ostentatiousness that Francis outright refused to do).

It's a wait and see moment really. People will mock it all, as is their right to do, but it is almost inarguably one of the most important soft diplomacy positions in the world in global affairs and also one which guides the views of many millions of people. I do wonder if the current direction of US politics, and the influence that has on world affairs, was at the back of some Cardinals minda when they cast their vote. A potentially important counterweight.

Thanks for that. :aok: Your last paragraph is what i had in mind when i heard he'd been chosen.

[Smartie]

I'm not a catholic but I've really quite enjoyed the theatre around the selection of the new pope and have watched a lot of coverage of it.

It's always good to see big crowds, smiling faces, positivity and optimism, even if the nuts and bolts of what it all actually relates to is largely lost on me.

[AltheHibby]

MAGA hate him, so he sounds like a good guy to me.

[CropleyWasGod]

MAGA hate him, so he sounds like a good guy to me.

Do they? Good to know.

Maybe one for PB, but do you think that had something to do with his (relatively quick) election?

[AltheHibby]

Do they? Good to know.

Maybe one for PB, but do you think that had something to do with his (relatively quick) election?

Take a look at this.

https://x.com/JoJoFromJerz/status/1920549735644959219?t=KB4i9D6AqNmEgRq5lKjRUg&s=19

[hibsbollah]

Do they? Good to know.

Maybe one for PB, but do you think that had something to do with his (relatively quick) election?

I think its down to his social media activity, which although scant, has been critical of Vance and Trump over immigration in particular. The MAGA crew are calling him ‘another Marxist’. Words on twitter are really meaningless these days.

[Pretty Boy]

In a moderately amusing aside (by the standards of terrible jokes only a handful of Catholics might find funny anyway) the intercessions at the end of the Eucharistic Prayer during Mass mention both the Pope and the local Bishop (or for the last couple of weeks omit the Pope because there hasn't been one).

The Archbishop of St Andrews and Edinburgh is Leo Cushley so the prayer will now be recited as:

'Remember, Lord, your Church, spread throughout the world, and bring her to the fullness of charity, together with Leo our Pope and Leo our Bishop and all the clergy'

There will be a few Priests practicing their lines between now and Sunday to avoid any slip ups I'd imagine.

[degenerated]

White smoke.Oh fo sho :greengrinhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250508/4541dea3f3d6f50f8b3fd6549c674392.jpg

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[CropleyWasGod]

Take a look at this.

https://x.com/JoJoFromJerz/status/1920549735644959219?t=KB4i9D6AqNmEgRq5lKjRUg&s=19

Love it.

Maybe we've cracked it. All it takes is one **** in the White House, and (most of) the entire world is united.

God moves in mysterious ways, so she does.

[Stairway 2 7]

MAGA hate him, so he sounds like a good guy to me.

Aaron Reichlin-Melnick
@ReichlinMelnick
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The new Pope didn't post once in 2024. In 2025, he posted 5 times:

- Criticized JD Vance's take on Jesus
- Posted article critiquing Vance's statements on deportation policies
- Retweeted the Pope's health twice
- Retweeted criticism of Trump & Bukele's laughter at Abrego Garcia

[Kato]

Oh fo sho :greengrinhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250508/4541dea3f3d6f50f8b3fd6549c674392.jpg

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