They are hurting

[matty_f]

Lost interest in that when they were sharing it as fact that Beaton had made a big error in sending off Devlin.

He’s entitled to his opinion but it’s not a fact that Beaton was wrong to show Devlin the second yellow. I can see why it’s one that’s been up for debate, nobody can state for absolute certainty that Beaton was wrong though, it’s a judgement call he’s made, it’s not like it’s a dive he’s been conned by.

I go back to what I said previously about gaslighting - and this is the effect of it. It's now just accepted that it was an error. No question, no challenge, not even context to it - just an error and poor Hearts.

Like Dundee United having folk believe that there was no handball for their goal against us because it took a while to see it, or Celtic having everyone believe that not only is a VAR ref incapable of seeing a ball go out of play, that when they do see it they couldn't be sure so shouldn't have said what they saw. The ball becomes in by virtue of complaining enough - facts don't matter.

[JimBHibees]

I go back to what I said previously about gaslighting - and this is the effect of it. It's now just accepted that it was an error. No question, no challenge, not even context to it - just an error and poor Hearts.

Like Dundee United having folk believe that there was no handball for their goal against us because it took a while to see it, or Celtic having everyone believe that not only is a VAR ref incapable of seeing a ball go out of play, that when they do see it they couldn't be sure so shouldn't have said what they saw. The ball becomes in by virtue of complaining enough - facts don't matter.

Totally agree

[jeffers]

It was waaaay worse than Mannehs IMO, considering he'd been on the pitch for the full game and had committed numerous fouls throughout the game IIRC.

I often feel in isolation that awarding the yellow cards is correct, or at least understandable. I just don’t always agree that it then merits the player being sent off if that makes sense and it certainly does happen in games where a referee will use their discretion in not awarding a yellow card as doing so results in a red.

Devlin is a niggling wee sod, but I’m not convinced any of his challenges were particularly nasty on Saturday (I don’t know how many fouls he actually committed) and if Beaton had only awarded a foul for his last challenge I wouldn’t have said he’d made a glaring error, equally I don’t think it was a glaring error to send him off either. That’s where Hearts and their statement looks pretty foolish imo.

[theonlywayisup]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ryan-stevenson-blasts-embarrassing-hearts-35099352

Of all the people to hit the nail on the head, I wasn’t expecting Ryan Stevenson to be one of them.

In fairness to him, there is also a fair sprinkling of how massive a club Hearts are in amongst the criticism so that should be enough to keep some of them onside.

Great read :aok:. Some key comments copied below:

Losing the Scottish Cup semi final to Aberdeen was just another painful blow for Hearts fans in a season full of gut-wrenching disappointments. But if that was bad then the statement that followed two days later from Tynecastle blaming the officials was absolutely excruciating. Downright EMBARRASSING. My toes are curling just writing about it now.

The Hearts board know they've got it badly wrong and they're just trying to deflect everything like it's not their fault. Do they think that fans are stupid enough to believe that garbage? They are actually trying to con their own supporters by claiming referee decisions have cost them this year. No they’ve not. They need to take responsibility and own the failure.

They had two days to think about things after the semi final and they’ve decided it was a good idea to come out with that statement?! Trying to blame everybody other than themselves. Just hold your hands up and say ‘as a board, we've f***ed up this year. It won’t happen again’. End of. To then argue that Hearts are second bottom out of the ‘not getting decisions’ table - it’s a ‘poor old me’ tale and if that's what Hearts are hanging their hat on then it speaks volumes.

The season has been a disaster from the get go. The recruitment wasn’t good enough last summer, handing Steven Naismith a new contract then firing him two months later was bizarre.

And finishing in the bottom six and failing to make a cup final is nowhere near good enough. I get the initial anger on Saturday from the players’ and manager’s perspective. If I was in the dressing room I would be raging at losing two men. Emotions run high because it’s a semi-final and they had so many fans there.

But the facts of the matter are: Michael Steinwender deserved to be sent off just before half time and Cammy Devlin’s second yellow card is also the correct decision. I don't like it because he's tried to win the ball and he's just mistimed it. But in this day and age it is a booking. I think the rules are wrong - but John Beaton was absolutely right. The referee has to follow the rules. He did that. I can’t believe the anger over Steinwender’s red. It was a stonewall decision as Topi Keskinen was racing clean through and nobody was going to catch him.

Hearts dug in well but I reckon Neil Critchley was too negative with his decisions after the first red card. At half-time he put on two centre halves on and took two strikers off. You're basically saying let’s hang on for 75 minutes for penalties. I understand there's an air of caution about it but still have a bit about you where you just go and have an actual pop at winning.

At key moments the manager’s made wrong decisions, which he'll hopefully learn from because, if you think about it, he's not had the experience of managing a club at this level.

[JeMeSouviens]

I often feel in isolation that awarding the yellow cards is correct, or at least understandable. I just don’t always agree that it then merits the player being sent off if that makes sense and it certainly does happen in games where a referee will use their discretion in not awarding a yellow card as doing so results in a red.

Devlin is a niggling wee sod, but I’m not convinced any of his challenges were particularly nasty on Saturday (I don’t know how many fouls he actually committed) and if Beaton had only awarded a foul for his last challenge I wouldn’t have said he’d made a glaring error, equally I don’t think it was a glaring error to send him off either. That’s where Hearts and their statement looks pretty foolish imo.

We don't know what went on between the player and ref. Maybe Beaton's already had a quiet word, given him a warning, etc. There's only so much discretion a ref can show.

[McD]

Man City player booked for being a second late and kicking a Villa player tonight. Don't think he meant to just kick the Villa player. Still got the booking.

Makes you think.



Ma Budge will be making a statement in solidarity soon enough

[gbhibby]

Great read :aok:. Some key comments copied below:

Losing the Scottish Cup semi final to Aberdeen was just another painful blow for Hearts fans in a season full of gut-wrenching disappointments. But if that was bad then the statement that followed two days later from Tynecastle blaming the officials was absolutely excruciating. Downright EMBARRASSING. My toes are curling just writing about it now.

The Hearts board know they've got it badly wrong and they're just trying to deflect everything like it's not their fault. Do they think that fans are stupid enough to believe that garbage? They are actually trying to con their own supporters by claiming referee decisions have cost them this year. No they’ve not. They need to take responsibility and own the failure.

They had two days to think about things after the semi final and they’ve decided it was a good idea to come out with that statement?! Trying to blame everybody other than themselves. Just hold your hands up and say ‘as a board, we've f***ed up this year. It won’t happen again’. End of. To then argue that Hearts are second bottom out of the ‘not getting decisions’ table - it’s a ‘poor old me’ tale and if that's what Hearts are hanging their hat on then it speaks volumes.

The season has been a disaster from the get go. The recruitment wasn’t good enough last summer, handing Steven Naismith a new contract then firing him two months later was bizarre.

And finishing in the bottom six and failing to make a cup final is nowhere near good enough. I get the initial anger on Saturday from the players’ and manager’s perspective. If I was in the dressing room I would be raging at losing two men. Emotions run high because it’s a semi-final and they had so many fans there.

But the facts of the matter are: Michael Steinwender deserved to be sent off just before half time and Cammy Devlin’s second yellow card is also the correct decision. I don't like it because he's tried to win the ball and he's just mistimed it. But in this day and age it is a booking. I think the rules are wrong - but John Beaton was absolutely right. The referee has to follow the rules. He did that. I can’t believe the anger over Steinwender’s red. It was a stonewall decision as Topi Keskinen was racing clean through and nobody was going to catch him.

Hearts dug in well but I reckon Neil Critchley was too negative with his decisions after the first red card. At half-time he put on two centre halves on and took two strikers off. You're basically saying let’s hang on for 75 minutes for penalties. I understand there's an air of caution about it but still have a bit about you where you just go and have an actual pop at winning.

At key moments the manager’s made wrong decisions, which he'll hopefully learn from because, if you think about it, he's not had the experience of managing a club at this level.
Could ye no have changed the colour.

[truehibernian]

I listened to the scarves around the funnel podcast to bask in their seethe 😁 must admit, one lad ‘Scott’ was very sensible and gave a very honest assessment of the weekend and Hearts, as did Ryan McGowan who is annoyingly likeable as a pundit. Both a good listen has to be said.The sheer seething, unprofessionalism and irrational rants from Scott Wilson was priceless 😂👍 an utter clown 🤡 very pleasing to hear him have a near meltdown.

[JeMeSouviens]

I listened to the scarves around the funnel podcast to bask in their seethe �� must admit, one lad ‘Scott’ was very sensible and gave a very honest assessment of the weekend and Hearts, as did Ryan McGowan who is annoyingly likeable as a pundit. Both a good listen has to be said.The sheer seething, unprofessionalism and irrational rants from Scott Wilson was priceless ���� an utter clown �� very pleasing to hear him have a near meltdown.

McGowan fairly scuppered the anti-Beaton narrative. :greengrin

Mr Let's Make Some Noise is making a big noise - rage mostly.

:lolyam:

[Danderhall Hibs]

I listened to the scarves around the funnel podcast to bask in their seethe 😁 must admit, one lad ‘Scott’ was very sensible and gave a very honest assessment of the weekend and Hearts, as did Ryan McGowan who is annoyingly likeable as a pundit. Both a good listen has to be said.The sheer seething, unprofessionalism and irrational rants from Scott Wilson was priceless 😂👍 an utter clown 🤡 very pleasing to hear him have a near meltdown.

Totally agree - Wilson was completely incoherent. Made a special appearance to make an arse of himself and basically say the ref was right but they should be full time anyway. Well done to the other 2 for being balanced.

[Hibspur]

I go back to what I said previously about gaslighting - and this is the effect of it. It's now just accepted that it was an error. No question, no challenge, not even context to it - just an error and poor Hearts.

Like Dundee United having folk believe that there was no handball for their goal against us because it took a while to see it, or Celtic having everyone believe that not only is a VAR ref incapable of seeing a ball go out of play, that when they do see it they couldn't be sure so shouldn't have said what they saw. The ball becomes in by virtue of complaining enough - facts don't matter.

Spot on.

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

I go back to what I said previously about gaslighting - and this is the effect of it. It's now just accepted that it was an error. No question, no challenge, not even context to it - just an error and poor Hearts.

Like Dundee United having folk believe that there was no handball for their goal against us because it took a while to see it, or Celtic having everyone believe that not only is a VAR ref incapable of seeing a ball go out of play, that when they do see it they couldn't be sure so shouldn't have said what they saw. The ball becomes in by virtue of complaining enough - facts don't matter.

And the deflection has got them all blaming Beaton for Devlin getting sent off rather than Devlin for continuing to commit fouls or-even more to blame- Critchley for leaving him on the pitch when he was clearly on his final warning

[Danderhall Hibs]

And the deflection has got them all blaming Beaton for Devlin getting sent off rather than Devlin for continuing to commit fouls or-even more to blame- Critchley for leaving him on the pitch when he was clearly on his final warning

They normally sub him when he’s on a yellow: he’s a liability. Stephen McGinn on the bbc podcast said he was alerting the ref to the fact he was on a yellow minutes earlier by pushing the boy then followed that by booting the guy. I don’t understand how some pundits are just repeating this nonsense.

[Kato]

I don’t understand how some pundits are just repeating this nonsense.

It's hertz.

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[Viva_Palmeiras]

If clogging was an Olympic sport Hearts would win gold every time.
Basketball-style taking turns at fouling long may they greet when found out - not the case this time round but persistent fouling without the name “Shinnie” usually brings out the cards.

[LancsHibs]

To then argue that Hearts are second bottom out of the ‘not getting decisions’ table - it’s a ‘poor old me’ tale and if that's what Hearts are hanging their hat on then it speaks volumes.

What a shame, they couldn’t even win that:greengrin

[JimBHibees]

I listened to the scarves around the funnel podcast to bask in their seethe 😁 must admit, one lad ‘Scott’ was very sensible and gave a very honest assessment of the weekend and Hearts, as did Ryan McGowan who is annoyingly likeable as a pundit. Both a good listen has to be said.The sheer seething, unprofessionalism and irrational rants from Scott Wilson was priceless 😂👍 an utter clown 🤡 very pleasing to hear him have a near meltdown.

Listened to this also. Was quite a good listen both Scott not Wilson and McGowan were fair and it was interesting to get a present players view of referees and Beaton. What is the story with the name of the podcast? On the whole Scott Wilson apart was balanced. He indicated the Kmi panel which reviews various decisions are ex refs which don’t think is the case but s mix of former players refs and managers. May be wrong on that but don’t think so.

[Since452]

And the deflection has got them all blaming Beaton for Devlin getting sent off rather than Devlin for continuing to commit fouls or-even more to blame- Critchley for leaving him on the pitch when he was clearly on his final warning

I don't mind that. They're ignoring the real issue. Long may that continue.

[green day]

I listened to the scarves around the funnel podcast to bask in their seethe 😁 must admit, one lad ‘Scott’ was very sensible and gave a very honest assessment of the weekend and Hearts, as did Ryan McGowan who is annoyingly likeable as a pundit. Both a good listen has to be said.The sheer seething, unprofessionalism and irrational rants from Scott Wilson was priceless 😂👍 an utter clown 🤡 very pleasing to hear him have a near meltdown.

The irony, of course, is that the name of that podcast comes from their "going to europe" song.................I think its in the verse where they say Hibs will be staying in Portobello :greengrin:greengrin

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

I don't mind that. They're ignoring the real issue. Long may that continue.

True enough

[bingo70]

I don't mind that. They're ignoring the real issue. Long may that continue.

I watched their last league game against Motherwell and I was amazed they never threw the kitchen sink at them, it was like they were both happy to play out the draw. Hearing Critchley go on about his PPG record since then though it’s got me wondering if he was more interested in protecting that rather than risking losing a point. Even now they’re in the bottom 6 they should finish the season with a high PPG record and a high win % so if he feels his bosses are going to be influenced by data, I wonder if that’s where his focus is so possibly wasn’t too disappointed by the outcome.

[hibsbollah]

I watched their last league game against Motherwell and I was amazed they never threw the kitchen sink at them, it was like they were both happy to play out the draw. Hearing Critchley go on about his PPG record since then though it’s got me wondering if he was more interested in protecting that rather than risking losing a point. Even now they’re in the bottom 6 they should finish the season with a high PPG record and a high win % so if he feels his bosses are going to be influenced by data, I wonder if that’s where his focus is so possibly wasn’t too disappointed by the outcome.

Didnt hearts have something like 2 shots on target? When they needed the win? And motherwell had zero? In a must win game? Sounds like a real fun packed 90 mins. I hope you recovered.

[Dashing Bob S]

I watched their last league game against Motherwell and I was amazed they never threw the kitchen sink at them, it was like they were both happy to play out the draw. Hearing Critchley go on about his PPG record since then though it’s got me wondering if he was more interested in protecting that rather than risking losing a point. Even now they’re in the bottom 6 they should finish the season with a high PPG record and a high win % so if he feels his bosses are going to be influenced by data, I wonder if that’s where his focus is so possibly wasn’t too disappointed by the outcome.


Commander Data

[Gloucester Hibs]

I watched their last league game against Motherwell and I was amazed they never threw the kitchen sink at them, it was like they were both happy to play out the draw. Hearing Critchley go on about his PPG record since then though it’s got me wondering if he was more interested in protecting that rather than risking losing a point. Even now they’re in the bottom 6 they should finish the season with a high PPG record and a high win % so if he feels his bosses are going to be influenced by data, I wonder if that’s where his focus is so possibly wasn’t too disappointed by the outcome.

I watched most of the Motherwell game too and thought the same, took ages over taking a throw-in at a stage in the game where they must have known a point wasn't good enough.

[HoboHarry]

I watched their last league game against Motherwell and I was amazed they never threw the kitchen sink at them, it was like they were both happy to play out the draw. Hearing Critchley go on about his PPG record since then though it’s got me wondering if he was more interested in protecting that rather than risking losing a point. Even now they’re in the bottom 6 they should finish the season with a high PPG record and a high win % so if he feels his bosses are going to be influenced by data, I wonder if that’s where his focus is so possibly wasn’t too disappointed by the outcome.
Maybe Jamestown Analytics looked at his data and awarded him a smiley face sticker that'll keep him in a job. Hope so.

[Joe6-2]

They seem to have totally lost sight of the fact they have repeatedly got dodgy decisions in their favour!

[Not In The Know]

I watched their last league game against Motherwell and I was amazed they never threw the kitchen sink at them, it was like they were both happy to play out the draw. Hearing Critchley go on about his PPG record since then though it’s got me wondering if he was more interested in protecting that rather than risking losing a point. Even now they’re in the bottom 6 they should finish the season with a high PPG record and a high win % so if he feels his bosses are going to be influenced by data, I wonder if that’s where his focus is so possibly wasn’t too disappointed by the outcome.



Thats what you do when its algorithms and computers hiring you.

[Fanforlife]

Unreal over on kickback at moment, still banging on about being cheated on Saturday, Beaton thread had one of the muppets stating he would like to hear what Ryan Stevenson had to say about it given he had played for them when he reffed games, However Ryan Stevenson in his Daily Record column said he thought that Beaton called things correctly there has not been one comment posted mentioning this, strange eh!!🤣🤣

[erin go bragh]

They have a habit of bottling it when the pressure is on against Dundee.
Popcorn ready😂😂

[He's here!]

Unreal over on kickback at moment, still banging on about being cheated on Saturday, Beaton thread had one of the muppets stating he would like to hear what Ryan Stevenson had to say about it given he had played for them when he reffed games, However Ryan Stevenson in his Daily Record column said he thought that Beaton called things correctly there has not been one comment posted mentioning this, strange eh!!🤣🤣

Surely some of them will have seen Stevenson's comments? Or perhaps they're choosing to ignore them as it doesn't fit with the persecution narrative.

The whole thing is bonkers. Issuing a statement based on the fact they're 'joint second bottom' of the decisions not going in their favour table.

[hibsbollah]

They have a habit of bottling it when the pressure is on against Dundee.
Popcorn ready😂😂

Im not sure being ‘bottled up’ was Craig Leveins problem. More the other thing.

[Fanforlife]

Column yesterday ,now Thursday night and still nowt. Ryan McCowan comments regarding Beaton as in finding him to be as fair a ref as any being batted away by the roasters as must have been meant for when he played for St.Johnstone etc. Not enough brasso in the world for the brass necks over there!🤣

[plhibs]

They have a habit of bottling it when the pressure is on against Dundee.
Popcorn ready😂😂

The jambo POTY celebration is on Sunday Night, could be a hoot,

[007]

Part of their evidence that the refs have it in for them is that the KMI panel said there had been 4 errors against them. One of the "errors" was debunked by Willie Collum who explains why the KMI panel were wrong.

That was the game where they blew a 2-0 lead by conceding in 90+7 and 90+9.

https://youtu.be/q8B-iFpyBtM?si=6muZMBKo2gPGLs3n&t=660

I see the panel agreed 5:0 that the 1st red was correct. It's a shame the Devlin yellows don't get reviewed by the panel due to them only reviewing VAR incidents.

[Bostonhibby]

The jambo POTY celebration is on Sunday Night, could be a hoot,

An embarrassment of riches but Dhanda is going to win it by a mile because he told them they were going to split the uglies.

Either him, or what's his name again that the computer told them to buy.

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[Jim44]

Totally agree - Wilson was completely incoherent. Made a special appearance to make an arse of himself and basically say the ref was right but they should be full time anyway. Well done to the other 2 for being balanced.

Scott Wilson, Tynecastle announcer I believe, sounded a real bitter twat ……… his voice sounded uncannily like Craig Levein.

[ChilliEater]

DEvlin's first booking is at around 1:18:30 in this footage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C2WlK8aoNk

Now I realise that I view Hearts players and their actions through the lens of a bitter peg-selling hobo, but he goes over the ball and stamps his studs down into the Aberdeen players foot. If Beaton had given a straight red, would VAR have over-turned it? I'm not saying it wouldn't have been harsh if he had, but I also think Devlin was maybe a little lucky it was only yellow, never mind the Hearts/media take that even the yellow was harsh?

[JimBHibees]

They seem to have totally lost sight of the fact they have repeatedly got dodgy decisions in their favour!

Yep that has been brushed under the carpet couple of season back the Tynecastle scoreboard started each game at 1 0 to the famous as they knew they would get a dodgy penalty :greengrin

[Since90+2]

Hope they enjoy their bottom 6 tie this weekend.

Big club.

[LancsHibs]

I watched their last league game against Motherwell and I was amazed they never threw the kitchen sink at them, it was like they were both happy to play out the draw. Hearing Critchley go on about his PPG record since then though it’s got me wondering if he was more interested in protecting that rather than risking losing a point. Even now they’re in the bottom 6 they should finish the season with a high PPG record and a high win % so if he feels his bosses are going to be influenced by data, I wonder if that’s where his focus is so possibly wasn’t too disappointed by the outcome.
As a Blackpool fan and having experienced Critchley first hand I can confirm that he is obsessed by the data, you are probably onto something here.

[Nicho87]

Data driven duds

[Kato]

Hope they enjoy their bottom 6 tie this weekend.

Big club.They'll be disappointed their big rivals St Mirren aren't in the bottom six with them.

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[Eyrie]

They'll be disappointed their big rivals St Mirren aren't in the bottom six with them.

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At least they've got Dundee, even if it is at the PBS.

[cubehindthegoal]

Surely some of them will have seen Stevenson's comments? Or perhaps they're choosing to ignore them as it doesn't fit with the persecution narrative.

The whole thing is bonkers. Issuing a statement based on the fact they're 'joint second bottom' of the decisions not going in their favour table.

Saw that article now, and it’s actually one of the more accurate and honest articles the record has ever had written on its pages from that point of view. So, of course diets will ignore it ..

[Bostonhibby]

At least they've got Dundee, even if it is at the PBS.Another sell out in the atmospheric cauldron.

An identity filled occasion, identified as bottom 6 under achievers but unique identity nevertheless. Mikey will be along to clarify what he meant by identity way back then.......

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[hibsbollah]

Bottom feeders.

[Bishop Hibee]

Complimentary tickets galore available for their game tomorrow.

[Bostonhibby]

Complimentary tickets galore available for their game tomorrow.Are there any uncomplimentary ones available?

Asking for a friend who wants to sit and shout stuff at them for the entire 90 minutes.

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[Callum_62]

Var review with Willie confirms blatant red at the first - explained it well and covered why a "quick" red card is actually coached during DOGSO

Also said Cammy devlins is a 2nd yellow [emoji38]

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[matty_f]

https://x.com/edinburghsport/status/1916064284536176673?s=46&t=9ECFsSDsGgie80A2m3HH1A

Complaints correctly dismissed by Collum.