Alan Stubbs Under The Cosh

[Tambo]

New Alan Stubbs podcast with the Under the Cosh lads uploaded a few hours ago, no idea if much or any Hibs chat, will watch it sometime this week.

[Spudster]

https://youtu.be/SqNtElkNpxY?si=XSuiddn9TAkP2Vj1
1hr 36m for the hibs section

[linlithgowhibbie]

Kind of suggests that the top cop on 21/05/16 took the huff as he didn't arrange his troops as he should have for the final whistle. Pure huff that he wouldn't let the team do a lap of honour with the cup.

[Carheenlea]

Kind of suggests that the top cop on 21/05/16 took the huff as he didn't arrange his troops as he should have for the final whistle. Pure huff that he wouldn't let the team do a lap of honour with the cup.

Pure spite - that’s all it was.

Authority making decisions based on prejudice. Surprised a bigger deal wasn’t made of it, but ultimately we were too busy celebrating in the days and weeks that followed.

[hibbytam]

Kind of suggests that the top cop on 21/05/16 took the huff as he didn't arrange his troops as he should have for the final whistle. Pure huff that he wouldn't let the team do a lap of honour with the cup.


To be fair his team had just lost a final in the last minute.

Also he was probably the plum who ordered all the police to ibrox for a quickly cancelled party.

[JimBHibees]

To be fair his team had just lost a final in the last minute.

Also he was probably the plum who ordered all the police to ibrox for a quickly cancelled party.

Was absolutely clear there weren’t enough stewards and cops round the pitch st the end of the game. He should have been carpeted. If you watch the Celtic Rangers semi in the last minute there were loads to avoid what happened in the final. Was telling also the report about the final didn’t say anything or completely ignored the actions of the police which was a complete nonsense and was erse covering of a high degree. Have we not learned from Hillsborough

[J-C]

The police were sent towards Ibrox as they assumed Rangers were going to win, so when the final whistle went it all went tits up due to not enough police there. This caused all the chaos at Hampden, the stewards aren't paid enough to do that kind of crowd control, which meant we missed out on a lap of honour with the players and cup. Chief of police that day is fully responsible for all that happened.

[Aldo]

The police were sent towards Ibrox as they assumed Rangers were going to win, so when the final whistle went it all went tits up due to not enough police there. This caused all the chaos at Hampden, the stewards aren't paid enough to do that kind of crowd control, which meant we missed out on a lap of honour with the players and cup. Chief of police that day is fully responsible for all that happened.

Some were (public order officers) Those deployed in and around the ground weren’t sent anywhere and that would include a contingency. Do you think all the cops were sent to Ibrox? I believe that the staffing that’s day was akin to an OF match.

Your last bit is partially correct. This was an event organised by SFA and the Safety Officer at Hampden was in control/charge and not the Police. The Police Commander would have stepped in and taken control probably when it was too late.

So a collective cluster but importantly no on injured or hurt.

What I will also say JC is that they were caught out by the fans response at the final whistle. I would ask was it even discussed at the pre match meetings??

I am now going to say something that you may not agreed with. It wasn’t just the Stewards and Police’s fault there wasn’t a lap honour. Those who invaded the pitch played a part in that.

Just to clarify though I thought it was brilliant but as I’ve said no one person was to blame. No amount of stewards and Police were stopping that

[truehibernian]

The police were sent towards Ibrox as they assumed Rangers were going to win, so when the final whistle went it all went tits up due to not enough police there. This caused all the chaos at Hampden, the stewards aren't paid enough to do that kind of crowd control, which meant we missed out on a lap of honour with the players and cup. Chief of police that day is fully responsible for all that happened.

You clearly don’t know that for every final Police have a quota of officers that can and are deployed at both teams stadiums post match as part of their pre-planning. For example, during Covid officers were sent to Tynecastle during extra time just in case Hearts won v Celtic - of course they weren’t needed in the end 😄

Absolutely no amount of officers would have stopped the pitch invasion. If you also recall, horses were deployed at Easter Road when The Rangers fans invaded the pitch when they won the league (I think Novo scored the winner). 3500 fans will always overwhelm the 30/40 cops. Add into the mix, the clubs pay for policing at a hefty rate too. It’s very costly to the clubs and Hibs, Hearts and other clubs have vastly reduced policing and gone for less costly stewarding.

[J-C]

Some were (public order officers) Those deployed in and around the ground weren’t sent anywhere and that would include a contingency. Do you think all the cops were sent to Ibrox? I believe that the staffing that’s day was akin to an OF match.

Your last bit is partially correct. This was an event organised by SFA and the Safety Officer at Hampden was in control/charge and not the Police. The Police Commander would have stepped in and taken control probably when it was too late.

So a collective cluster but importantly no on injured or hurt.

What I will also say JC is that they were caught out by the fans response at the final whistle. I would ask was it even discussed at the pre match meetings??

I am now going to say something that you may not agreed with. It wasn’t just the Stewards and Police’s fault there wasn’t a lap honour. Those who invaded the pitch played a part in that.

Just to clarify though I thought it was brilliant but as I’ve said no one person was to blame. No amount of stewards and Police were stopping that

What I was told was half the Police presence were sent to Ibrox because there was going to be a big trophy party after Hampden, Gray's goal screwed that up and caught them out and the officers got recalled quickly. There was a massive Police presence around the pitch at the Rangers end with very little at our end, just stewards, basically a shambles.

Yes the invasion didn't help but if the proper police presence was in place it wouldn't have happened and how did so many Rangers fans get on the pitch. The end was a **** up.

[evy]

Some were (public order officers) Those deployed in and around the ground weren’t sent anywhere and that would include a contingency. Do you think all the cops were sent to Ibrox? I believe that the staffing that’s day was akin to an OF match.

Your last bit is partially correct. This was an event organised by SFA and the Safety Officer at Hampden was in control/charge and not the Police. The Police Commander would have stepped in and taken control probably when it was too late.

So a collective cluster but importantly no on injured or hurt.

What I will also say JC is that they were caught out by the fans response at the final whistle. I would ask was it even discussed at the pre match meetings??

I am now going to say something that you may not agreed with. It wasn’t just the Stewards and Police’s fault there wasn’t a lap honour. Those who invaded the pitch played a part in that.

Just to clarify though I thought it was brilliant but as I’ve said no one person was to blame. No amount of stewards and Police were stopping that

But Keith Jackshun told us all Rangers players, their grannies and dead dugs were attacked by hibs fans on the pitch!

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

I still get warm and fuzzy when I see the raging hun in an SFA blazer standing with the perfect view of SDG lifting the trophy

We angered a lot of the right people that day. Love it

[Since452]

They could easily have let us have a lap of honour on 21/5/16. Not that it bothers me. It was perfect as it was.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I still get warm and fuzzy when I see the raging hun in an SFA blazer standing with the perfect view of SDG lifting the trophy

We angered a lot of the right people that day. Love it

the Polis gave folks leaving the complete run around with mis-directions (nah can’t go that way - when Wed been instructed to go that way)

On the plus side it did mean as we doubled back I saw a rather sheepish and pissed off looking Graeme Spiers with his face tripping him. Pity I didn’t take a pic…

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Some were (public order officers) Those deployed in and around the ground weren’t sent anywhere and that would include a contingency. Do you think all the cops were sent to Ibrox? I believe that the staffing that’s day was akin to an OF match.

Your last bit is partially correct. This was an event organised by SFA and the Safety Officer at Hampden was in control/charge and not the Police. The Police Commander would have stepped in and taken control probably when it was too late.

So a collective cluster but importantly no on injured or hurt.

What I will also say JC is that they were caught out by the fans response at the final whistle. I would ask was it even discussed at the pre match meetings??

I am now going to say something that you may not agreed with. It wasn’t just the Stewards and Police’s fault there wasn’t a lap honour. Those who invaded the pitch played a part in that.

Just to clarify though I thought it was brilliant but as I’ve said no one person was to blame. No amount of stewards and Police were stopping that

Was there not a pic of a The Rangers fan sparked out on the turf (that had lost control of his bladder bless)?

[JimBHibees]

Some were (public order officers) Those deployed in and around the ground weren’t sent anywhere and that would include a contingency. Do you think all the cops were sent to Ibrox? I believe that the staffing that’s day was akin to an OF match.

Your last bit is partially correct. This was an event organised by SFA and the Safety Officer at Hampden was in control/charge and not the Police. The Police Commander would have stepped in and taken control probably when it was too late.

So a collective cluster but importantly no on injured or hurt.

What I will also say JC is that they were caught out by the fans response at the final whistle. I would ask was it even discussed at the pre match meetings??

I am now going to say something that you may not agreed with. It wasn’t just the Stewards and Police’s fault there wasn’t a lap honour. Those who invaded the pitch played a part in that.

Just to clarify though I thought it was brilliant but as I’ve said no one person was to blame. No amount of stewards and Police were stopping that

Sure there were people hurt weren’t there

[JimBHibees]

But Keith Jackshun told us all Rangers players, their grannies and dead dugs were attacked by hibs fans on the pitch!

Chick Young saw a Rangers player being hit with a belt

[Viva_Palmeiras]

https://i2-prod.glasgowlive.co.uk/incoming/article18462203.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_GettyImages-533194230.jpg

[Aldo]

Sure there were people hurt weren’t there

I don’t know if there was or not.

[Aldo]

https://i2-prod.glasgowlive.co.uk/incoming/article18462203.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_GettyImages-533194230.jpg

That’s a cracking photo!

[jacomo]

Pure spite - that’s all it was.

Authority making decisions based on prejudice. Surprised a bigger deal wasn’t made of it, but ultimately we were too busy celebrating in the days and weeks that followed.


A huge deal WAS made of it, with the media by and large repeating the Rangers' claim that we had instigated the worst rioting and disorder ever seen at a Scottish football match.

Palpable nonsense of course, which didn't stand up to scrutiny.

Had no one in charge ever seen a pitch invasion before? The only trouble happened when some disgruntled Huns decided to take to the field themselves. And even that was over very quickly, nothing at all like the disgraceful scenes at the 1980 (?) Old Firm cup final.

[Kato]

If there was even grainy footage of a Rangers player being assaulted Sky News would have plastered it all over their bulletins.

As it turned out there is zero footage of any player being assaulted. Maybe every Rangers player was sent to the Bruised Ego ward.

Sent from my SM-A528B using Tapatalk

[Viva_Palmeiras]

That’s a cracking photo!
Unfortunately couldn’t figure out how to embed it so folks need to click to see :(

[silverhibee]

I still get warm and fuzzy when I see the raging hun in an SFA blazer standing with the perfect view of SDG lifting the trophy

We angered a lot of the right people that day. Love it

A Hun director saying he would “rather his fans sung songs like that than attack players on the park” deary me.

[Pretty Boy]

If there was even grainy footage of a Rangers player being assaulted Sky News would have plastered it all over their bulletins.

As it turned out there is zero footage of any player being assaulted. Maybe every Rangers player was sent to the Bruised Ego ward.

Sent from my SM-A528B using Tapatalk

I remember Kenny Miller's wife going on social media and asking Rangers fans to stop saying he had been attacked. She categorically stated that was a lie.

I still don't see why there couldn't have been a pre match walk round the pitch. The pitch invasion was done and dusted, it wasn't going to happen again. It was pure spite. Not that I give a toss, I wasn't on the pitch (my jelly legs wouldn't have carried me) but the photo I took of the initial rush forward is still one of my favourite from the whole day.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I remember Kenny Miller's wife going on social media and asking Rangers fans to stop saying he had been attacked. She categorically stated that was a lie.

I still don't see why there couldn't have been a pre match walk round the pitch. The pitch invasion was done and dusted, it wasn't going to happen again. It was pure spite. Not that I give a toss, I wasn't on the pitch (my jelly legs wouldn't have carried me) but the photo I took of the initial rush forward is still one of my favourite from the whole day.

yup you’d have thunk that the outcome of a Hibs win would have been predictable obvious. Pitch invasion and likelyhood of a response from the opposition.

Given the tension and the release should the reverse have happened could it have been envisaged that the opposition would have invaded the pitch. And what then ? Could that tension have spilled over?

I don’t envy the position of the match commender but it’s his job.
Probably took a punt and got it wrong.

Having lost control it was damage limitation and playing it safe.
No more taking chances. Were there any zombies left ? Was it the safety of the Hibs players?
what was the justification?

[Kato]

the photo I took of the initial rush forward is still one of my favourite from the whole day.

Priceless. I've got few from the day and the day after which I've backed up about 4 different ways.

Sent from my SM-A528B using Tapatalk

[Since452]

I remember Kenny Miller's wife going on social media and asking Rangers fans to stop saying he had been attacked. She categorically stated that was a lie.

I still don't see why there couldn't have been a pre match walk round the pitch. The pitch invasion was done and dusted, it wasn't going to happen again. It was pure spite. Not that I give a toss, I wasn't on the pitch (my jelly legs wouldn't have carried me) but the photo I took of the initial rush forward is still one of my favourite from the whole day.

I can still picture the rush when I close my eyes. I also stayed in the stand in some sort of daze/disbelief that we'd actually done it. Will be a vivid memory until the day I die.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I can still picture the rush when I close my eyes. I also stayed in the stand in some sort of daze/disbelief that we'd actually done it. Will be a vivid memory until the day I die.

I can’t remember how but I ended up taking a picture of the scenes with a father and his son on his shoulders. I miraculously saw he was a friend of a friend on Facebook. And gave him a pretty unique photo. I was a bit reluctant to approach but glad I did. He really appreciated it.

[Ribs1875]

All the violence was most handbags and pushes.One of our fan I was at school with got charged and tbh he has never had a fight in him. The worst one I seen happened to one of our fans when he was decked and the guy with his caterpillars kicks his head like a ball from the back. I'm sure he got a prison sentence for that.

It was a great day.

[JeMeSouviens]

If there was even grainy footage of a Rangers player being assaulted Sky News would have plastered it all over their bulletins.

As it turned out there is zero footage of any player being assaulted. Maybe every Rangers player was sent to the Bruised Ego ward.

Sent from my SM-A528B using Tapatalk

I think one guy took a swing and a miss at Lee Wallace? And somebody patted the Rangers goalie. Carnage. :greengrin

[Kato]

I think one guy took a swing and a miss at Lee Wallace? And somebody patted the Rangers goalie. Carnage. :greengrinHe patted the Rangers goalie so hard they all ended up "hospitalised".

Sent from my SM-A528B using Tapatalk

[Bridge hibs]

He patted the Rangers goalie so hard they all ended up "hospitalised".

Sent from my SM-A528B using Tapatalk

The domino effect 🤣