Penalty in second half

[HIBS NUTS]

You will be hard pressed to see a more certain penalty, to hibs, not given by var all season.

[Libby Hibby]

Correct, stone waller

And the delay for Boyle’s goal was incredible, he was in his own half ffs

[Unseen work]

I was stunned it wasn’t given

Need to see it again but looked like Tavernier reacted instinctively by putting his right hand out which prevented it going to a Hibs player

Rangers get that every day of the week

[Musselbound]

Agree if you are talking about the handball. Would certainly have been given at the other end.

[Col2]

Sportscene mentioned it but concluded that arm was close to body.

Complete rubbish. He clearly leaned into it and turned his body. Stone walker every day of the week.

[Ryan91]

Having seen it on Sportscene, his hand is away from his body, and regardless of intent, Tavnernier gains an advantage after the ball hits his hand/arm, it's a penalty, clear as day and were it at the other end you can be absolutely guaranteed it's being given.

[Bobby's Cinema]

I was surprised at Cliff's comment at the time. I thought it was a movement towards the ball when it had been missed and was bouncing through to us free at the back post, and when the ball travels in clear view over such a distance, the natural/ unnatural position argument is surely less of a factor if you deliberately motion towards the ball.

[SerenityGreen]

The fact that it was reviewed by var and not given tells you everything you need to know.
It was such a definite penalty, it beggars belief, actually no it doesn't!

[CapitalGreen]

Did it not hit off his leg/thigh first before hitting his hand?

[tamig]

Correct, stone waller

And the delay for Boyle’s goal was incredible, he was in his own half ffs

To be fair he was leaning forward and the top of his body was in the hun half. It was tight - as the lines showed. Doesn’t matter that his feet were in our half.

[Just_Jimmy]

Radio said it wasn't a penalty.

Radio also thought Boyle was 5 yards offside.

Both are scandalous takes. VAR taking that long for the goal is ridiculous.

We won, but its still Bent.

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[SickBoy32]

Clancy the cheat up to his usual tricks, astonishing he has the brass neck to just ignore stuff like that

Total weapon should’ve been demoted to the juniors after his ridiculous decision for the Vargas penalty at tiny last year

[Musselbound]

To be fair he was leaning forward and the top of his body was in the hun half. It was tight - as the lines showed. Doesn’t matter that his feet were in our half.

There was also a Rangers defender half a yard inside his own half so it want just a question of where Boyle was.

[GreenCastle]

100% penalty for me.

Other end it’s given for them.

If you look at Tavenier reaction also he’s aware it could be given.

I’m glad it wasn’t the main talking point and we won but add it to the list of joke decisions last few seasons.

[Silky]

Correct, stone waller

And the delay for Boyle’s goal was incredible, he was in his own half ffs

The linesman flagging Boyle offside was the most incredible thing for me. As you say he was in his own half, that was clear watching it. For all the delay etc it shouldn't need VAR to intervene there.

[davym7062]

it put campbell off coz hes ready to hit it. the handball delays it

[tamig]

The linesman flagging Boyle offside was the most incredible thing for me. As you say he was in his own half, that was clear watching it. For all the delay etc it shouldn't need VAR to intervene there.

His feet were in his own half. His body wasn’t. The line was drawn from his shoulder/armpit. The hun guy’s foot was just playing him on. As I said above. Its not just where your feet are.

[Glory Lurker]

Wasn't the The 21 playing him on whether he was in his half or not? It looked obvious right away from the camera in the main stand.

To stay on topic, didn't think it was a penalty in real time but - that camera again! - from a different angle it was definitely in the "seen them given" category.

All the same, there was a VAR check for a possible handball in our box near the end. If there was an actual conspiracy, it'd've been given.

[LaMotta]

Just watched back on the iplayer - I don't think you can actually tell from the camera angles available if it def hits his arm. It looks like it might have, but it also could have just come off his midriff. Camera can be deceiving at times.

Thankfully it didn't matter.

[SickBoy32]

His feet were in his own half. His body wasn’t. The line was drawn from his shoulder/armpit. The hun guy’s foot was just playing him on. As I said above. Its not just where your feet are.

The lines are being drawn by cheats, not to be trusted - it was clear watching it live that he was onside

The standard of officials has plummeted since the introduction of VAR

[Musselbound]

The lines are being drawn by cheats, not to be trusted - it was clear watching it live that he was onside

The standard of officials has plummeted since the introduction of VAR

At the same time it was var who ultimately gave the goal. It was disallowed otherwise.

[beensaidbefore]

The difference tonight is, we're not fretting over a reffing/var stitch up at ibrox for the simple reason is we humped them fair and square. How nice to be able to sit here, knowing we did enough, despite their attempts to give them the usual helping hand.

[gbhibby]

He made his frame bigger so a penalty not as if the ball was hit a him from close range

[Musselbound]

The difference tonight is, we're not fretting over a reffing/var stitch up at ibrox for the simple reason is we humped them fair and square. How nice to be able to sit here, knowing we did enough, despite their attempts to give them the usual helping hand.

True. Could've been more...

[matty_f]

At the same time it was var who ultimately gave the goal. It was disallowed otherwise.

Exactly. I think that’s at least the third time this season that the on field decision has been to give the goal for us as offside and needed VAR to correct it.

[Donegal Hibby]

You will be hard pressed to see a more certain penalty, to hibs, not given by var all season.

If that was the other way it’s 100% given . Stonewall penalty all day long .

[Onceinawhile]

The difference between that and the one we conceded vs Ross county was....

[Gmack7]

If that was the other way it’s 100% given . Stonewall penalty all day long .

And we wouldn't have had an argument as it was a stonewaller

[LaMotta]

If that was the other way it’s 100% given . Stonewall penalty all day long .


And we wouldn't have had an argument as it was a stonewaller

I've yet to see an angle of it being a clear handball and stonewall penalty. Footage is inconclusive if you slow it down.

[I'm_cabbaged]

I've yet to see an angle of it being a clear handball and stonewall penalty. Footage is inconclusive if you slow it down.

Eh, it clearly hits his forearm?

[LaMotta]

Eh, it clearly hits his forearm?

Watch it again in slow motion. You cant tell either way. It looks like it could have hit his arm, or it could have come off his midriff. You just cant tell from the angle!

[TrinityHFC]

The difference between that and the one we conceded vs Ross county was....

Exactly. He didn’t mean it, but the ball travelled a long distance. Sane as the one we got against us.

[I'm_cabbaged]

Watch it again in slow motion. You cant tell either way. It looks like it could have hit his arm, or it could have come off his midriff. You just cant tell from the angle!

If it hits off his “midriff” why the **** does arm move with the direction of the ball? We won despite of the ref

[LaMotta]

If it hits off his “midriff” why the **** does arm move with the direction of the ball? We one despite of the ref

What you swearing for calm down lol!:hilarious

Watch from 6mins 2 secs. Slow it down to 0.5. On reflection I think there's actually no doubt it does hit his midriff. it then may go on to the arm. Even it does hit his arm it shouldn't be a pen because it comes off his own body first.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0029w5d/sportscene-premiership-highlights-202425-05042025

We've had plenty of reasons to get angry with officials since VAR came in, this isnt one of them.

[I'm_cabbaged]

What you swearing for calm down lol!:hilarious

Watch from 6mins 2 secs. Slow it down to 0.5. On reflection I think there's actually no doubt it does hit his midriff. it then may go on to the arm. Even it does hit his arm it shouldn't be a pen because it comes off his own body first.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0029w5d/sportscene-premiership-highlights-202425-05042025

We've had plenty of reasons to get angry with officials since VAR came in, this isnt one of them.
Can’t slow it down with my phone? If you can then fair enough, if it had been at the other end it’s a stone waller though.

[HarpOnHibee]

What you swearing for calm down lol!:hilarious

Watch from 6mins 2 secs. Slow it down to 0.5. On reflection I think there's actually no doubt it does hit his midriff. it then may go on to the arm. Even it does hit his arm it shouldn't be a pen because it comes off his own body first.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0029w5d/sportscene-premiership-highlights-202425-05042025

We've had plenty of reasons to get angry with officials since VAR came in, this isnt one of them.

Looks pretty obvious to me.

https://i.ibb.co/Pv4nsdnq/handball.png

https://i.ibb.co/9mc4ZmrJ/handball2.png

[I'm_cabbaged]

What you swearing for calm down lol!:hilarious

Watch from 6mins 2 secs. Slow it down to 0.5. On reflection I think there's actually no doubt it does hit his midriff. it then may go on to the arm. Even it does hit his arm it shouldn't be a pen because it comes off his own body first.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0029w5d/sportscene-premiership-highlights-202425-05042025

We've had plenty of reasons to get angry with officials since VAR came in, this isnt one of them.

On reflection of your previous post, and naw I’ll no calm down because I wasn’t excited, it’s just part of my vocabulary;) still a pen all day long though.

[JohnM1875]

I've yet to see an angle of it being a clear handball and stonewall penalty. Footage is inconclusive if you slow it down.

What the ****??

End of the day didnt matter, thankfully.

[LaMotta]

Looks pretty obvious to me.

https://i.ibb.co/Pv4nsdnq/handball.png

https://i.ibb.co/9mc4ZmrJ/handball2.png


Still images are rarely a good way to prove these things. If anything though the first photo looks like it hits him in the stomach.in the second it looks like it could hit his arm.

If it hits his stomach first then its not a pen. Thats just the laws.

[LaMotta]

What the ****??

End of the day didnt matter, thankfully.

What the **** what?

[LaMotta]

On reflection of your previous post, and naw I’ll no calm down because I wasn’t excited, it’s just part of my vocabulary;) still a pen all day long though.

Well no it wasnt. Collum will explain why on the youtube VAR review.

[HarpOnHibee]

Still images are rarely a good way to prove these things. If anything though the first photo looks like it hits him in the stomach.in the second it looks like it could hit his arm.

If it hits his stomach first then its not a pen. Thats just the laws.

Looks like it hits his arm to me.

[Hibee Mac]

It's the incredible inconsistency that gets me. That type of handball has been given against us and other teams all season. All of last season. And long before that too.

Ranger at Ibrox and the rules are applied differently yet again, even with VAR. Corrupt west coast officials at it again, and even against 12 we beat them.

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[Donegal Hibby]

Well no it wasnt. Collum will explain why on the youtube VAR review.

Collum explaining why it’s not a penalty is like trump explaining why tariffs are good btw :greengrin

[matty_f]

Looks pretty obvious to me.

https://i.ibb.co/Pv4nsdnq/handball.png

https://i.ibb.co/9mc4ZmrJ/handball2.png

I think you could argue that there’s a chance it’s come off his body first and that his arms aren’t in an unnatural position in that they’re close to his body.

I think it’s a penalty but I don’t think it’s scandalous that it wasn’t given - it’s close enough that it’s up to the ref to decide and if he’d given it, VAR would have gone with his decision just as they did with him not giving it.

The difference with VAR’s involvement here is that I think the referee has seen the incident, whereas at Ross County he didn’t, hence being sent to review it.

[SChibs]

The fact we are debating it probably says the handball incident isn't a clear and obvious error so wouldn't be overturned with the footage being inconclusive

[Speedy]

The fact we are debating it probably says the handball incident isn't a clear and obvious error so wouldn't be overturned with the footage being inconclusive

Which bit isn't conclusive though? It definitely hits his arm.

[GreenCastle]

The fact we are debating it probably says the handball incident isn't a clear and obvious error so wouldn't be overturned with the footage being inconclusive

The issue we are debating is shows how crap VAR lite is in Scotland.

The limited cameras really doesn’t help as you need another angle on other side of the pitch to be clear.

Even the Boyle offside / onside goal the camera angles were pretty poor.

It looked a clear penalty - as I said above Tavenier looks guilty as it hits him and often a players reaction is key - if it was chest he would have been point to his chest but he didn’t.

[SickBoy32]

The fact we are debating it probably says the handball incident isn't a clear and obvious error so wouldn't be overturned with the footage being inconclusive

Here we go again, we now need the footage / evidence to be admissible in a court of law before these ***** can make a decision 😂

Clear handball which the officials lacked the minerals to act upon

[danhibees1875]

Correct, stone waller

And the delay for Boyle’s goal was incredible, he was in his own half ffs

Looked like Boyle had entered the Rangers half to me?

[Nicho87]

I actually thought it wasn’t a penalty

If it’s given against Hibs I’d be raging

Going by the current law this month I think they got it right

[hibbydog]

Between the penalty and flagging Boyle offside, I think it’s hilarious that the officials clearly do their best to help rangers, but we beat the. 2-0 anyways

GIRFUY

[Crunchie]

I was surprised at Cliff's comment at the time. I thought it was a movement towards the ball when it had been missed and was bouncing through to us free at the back post, and when the ball travels in clear view over such a distance, the natural/ unnatural position argument is surely less of a factor if you deliberately motion towards the ball.
Cliff should concentrate on commenting and not giving his overflated opinion, it was a stonewaller.

[JimBHibees]

The fact the ball travels a fair distance not particularly quickly is a huge factor. It is imo then his responsibility to not play it with his hand. Different if the ball blasted at him from close range. Looks a clear pen for me.

[JimBHibees]

I actually thought it wasn’t a penalty

If it’s given against Hibs I’d be raging

Going by the current law this month I think they got it right

On what basis?

[JimBHibees]

Here we go again, we now need the footage / evidence to be admissible in a court of law before these ***** can make a decision 😂

Clear handball which the officials lacked the minerals to act upon

Robertson was bottling it all game for not giving Myko any fouls, giving them a couple of very soft fouls just outside the box first half, ignoring Ratskin late challenge to the pen where he had a perfect view. Pretty laughable but standard ref performance in Glasgow imo

[Libby Hibby]

The fact that folk are judging whether it was a penalty or not based on whether they’d be unhappy or raging if it was given against us is bonkers.

Well guess what, it was v Ross County away.

It was a Stonewaller yesterday and we were lucky as they went up the park straight after and hit the bar and it was still only 1 nil.

The refs tried there best to help them as much as possible yesterday, again no surprises there.

[SChibs]

Which bit isn't conclusive though? It definitely hits his arm.

If it hits his body first then his arm because in that case it's not a penalty

[theonlywayisup]

If it hits his body first then his arm because in that case it's not a penalty

It's never a penalty! As you state, it hits Tavenier's stomach first then hits his arm.

That said, I'd describe it as a The Rangers penalty. Ones they may have been given in the past until recently drying up for them.

[RyeSloan]

On what basis?

It wasn’t deliberate

He wasn’t making his body unnaturally larger

Simples [emoji12]

[JimBHibees]

It wasn’t deliberate

He wasn’t making his body unnaturally larger

Simples [emoji12]

So a player can play the ball with his hand after it travelling 20 yards as long as his arms are deemed to be in a natural position. That makes no sense imo

[JimBHibees]

It's never a penalty! As you state, it hits Tavenier's stomach first then hits his arm.

That said, I'd describe it as a The Rangers penalty. Ones they may have been given in the past until recently drying up for them.

If there wasn’t evidence for it not playing his hand where is the evidence for it hitting his stomach

[Libby Hibby]

If there wasn’t evidence for it not playing his hand where is the evidence for it hitting his stomach

Correct.

Sportscene would’ve shown it so many times to prove it wasn’t a penalty. The fact they didn’t to me is telling that they and everyone else looking at it knows it hit his outstretched hand.

The folk talking about camera angles and the likes are just trying to muddy the waters.

It was a clear and obvious error by the ref.

[RyeSloan]

So a player can play the ball with his hand after it travelling 20 yards as long as his arms are deemed to be in a natural position. That makes no sense imo

See above re deliberate. I do t think he played the ball with his hand at all.

To me it looks like it simply just hit his arm.

Sure I get the argument that it’s came a long way but I’m struggling to see any action from him to ‘play the ball’, looks like a simple mistake in terms of the flight which results in the ball hitting him, rather than the other way around.

That’s not to say what would have happened if it was a Hibs player of course nor the length of introspection such an incident would have received on our beloved highlights programme if it had been a Hibs player and somehow it was not given ;-)

[The Modfather]

Was there not a similar incident late in the game for a Rangers penalty? Only saw it the once but did it hit Iredale(?) arm? Was checked and cleared.

I don’t think it was a penalty. I didn’t think he moved his arm toward the ball and the Rangers player next to him taking a swipe at the ball and missing it gave Tavernier no time to react.

[LaMotta]

I think you could argue that there’s a chance it’s come off his body first and that his arms aren’t in an unnatural position in that they’re close to his body.

I think it’s a penalty but I don’t think it’s scandalous that it wasn’t given - it’s close enough that it’s up to the ref to decide and if he’d given it, VAR would have gone with his decision just as they did with him not giving it.

The difference with VAR’s involvement here is that I think the referee has seen the incident, whereas at Ross County he didn’t, hence being sent to review it.


I've just watched it again, and I genuinely don't know how anyone can watch the footage and say that it 100% hits his arm. The issue here for me is poundland Var and the lack of suitable camera angles. From the one angle we are seeing you cant 100% tell - its like from certain camera or video angles it like can look like people are holding up the leaning tower of Pisa. For anyone claiming it definitely hits his arm, would you also say that this woman is definitely touching the leaning tower of Pisa with her hand? :wink: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCPnWjuNHmw

The idea that is a "stonewaller" is one based on pure Hibs bias. People claiming its the same as the Ross County away penalty we conceded are also not logically analysing things correctly, when there are a number of obvious differences (mainly that Cadden clearly handled it with an outstretched arm and the ball didn't hit him or a nearby opponent first on the way to hitting his arm).

We have had countless horrible decisions against us, particularly under Johnson and Montgomery which have been correctly called out by us as fans. If this was a shocking decision I'd be first to say so but I think sometimes there is a complete lack of objectivity from elements of our support on incidents like this - which is of course the same with all fanbases.

[gbhibby]

Don't you wish we had got it so there could a debate going on for at least a month about it.

[Donegal Hibby]

( 4:04 in ) … the ball has traveled from distance , not with a lot of pace and when the first hun player misses it Tavernier doesn’t try and move his arm away , he deliberately controls the ball with his arm . If that happened against us I have no doubts a penalty would have been given….

https://youtu.be/R_Cw5kA8o80?si=FYcpKLFbcEFP3Q4b

[Kato]

( 4:04 in ) … the ball has traveled from distance , not with a lot of pace and when the first hun player misses it Tavernier doesn’t try and move his arm away , he deliberately controls the ball with his arm . If that happened against us I have no doubts a penalty would have been given….

https://youtu.be/R_Cw5kA8o80?si=FYcpKLFbcEFP3Q4bAm starting to fall into the "hit his midriff first" camp.

Saying that on cueing the yt up the foul on Triantis is seconds before the pen. Studs onto ankle, doesn't make contact with the ball, out of control. Not even a yellow?

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[hibsbollah]

Am starting to fall into the "hit his midriff first" camp.

Saying that on cueing the yt up the foul on Triantis is seconds before the pen. Studs onto ankle, doesn't make contact with the ball, out of control. Not even a yellow?

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This is my take too. I dont think its clear and obvious that it hits his arm, although its one youd expect rangers to get if it was the other way round.

Really nasty tackle by Raskin preceding that though, the very definition of reckless and out of control and clearly hurt Triantis.

[greenlex]

Am starting to fall into the "hit his midriff first" camp.

Saying that on cueing the yt up the foul on Triantis is seconds before the pen. Studs onto ankle, doesn't make contact with the ball, out of control. Not even a yellow?

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I think it’s a red.

[Donegal Hibby]

Am starting to fall into the "hit his midriff first" camp.

Saying that on cueing the yt up the foul on Triantis is seconds before the pen. Studs onto ankle, doesn't make contact with the ball, out of control. Not even a yellow?

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TBH I don’t know if it hit his midriff or not but I do think it’s hit his arm which he could have got out of the way if he wanted too , at the time I thought he had actually moved his arm slightly towards the ball in a effort to control it and thought it was a penalty.

Still think it’s a penalty and it would most definitely have been given if it was at the other end .

The tackle on Triantis should have been at least a yellow but for some reason the ref decided not to issue one. I thought generally the ref had a really poor game and the majority of the decisions favoured the huns . They got a lot of free kicks while incidents like (1:30 in on Myko) nothing was given …

Thankfully it didn’t matter but it could have.

[NAE NOOKIE]

It's a very interesting debate this. What isn't open to debate is that if that very same incident had happened at the other end it would have taken a miracle for a penalty not to be awarded.

[Kato]

This is my take too. I dont think its clear and obvious that it hits his arm, although its one youd expect rangers to get if it was the other way round.

Really nasty tackle by Raskin preceding that though, the very definition of reckless and out of control and clearly hurt Triantis.If both players were upright it wouldn't even be a debate.

Triantis is in control of what he's doing as he completes his pass. Clattered late, boot off the ground studs up and straight onto ankle. Surely that describes a red card.

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[Ardenttwo]

Correct, stone waller

And the delay for Boyle’s goal was incredible, he was in his own half ffs

Just shows how bad our officials are(or corrupt). Stevie Wonder could see Boyle was in his own half when he got the ball and started his run. That linesman could not have got his flag up any faster.

[SChibs]

Just shows how bad our officials are(or corrupt). Stevie Wonder could see Boyle was in his own half when he got the ball and started his run. That linesman could not have got his flag up any faster.

His feet were but his upper body was in Rangers half. Was played on by Sterling on the other side of the pitch

[Speedy]

I've just watched it again, and I genuinely don't know how anyone can watch the footage and say that it 100% hits his arm. The issue here for me is poundland Var and the lack of suitable camera angles. From the one angle we are seeing you cant 100% tell - its like from certain camera or video angles it like can look like people are holding up the leaning tower of Pisa. For anyone claiming it definitely hits his arm, would you also say that this woman is definitely touching the leaning tower of Pisa with her hand? :wink: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCPnWjuNHmw

The idea that is a "stonewaller" is one based on pure Hibs bias. People claiming its the same as the Ross County away penalty we conceded are also not logically analysing things correctly, when there are a number of obvious differences (mainly that Cadden clearly handled it with an outstretched arm and the ball didn't hit him or a nearby opponent first on the way to hitting his arm).

We have had countless horrible decisions against us, particularly under Johnson and Montgomery which have been correctly called out by us as fans. If this was a shocking decision I'd be first to say so but I think sometimes there is a complete lack of objectivity from elements of our support on incidents like this - which is of course the same with all fanbases.

She is quite clearly handling the tower there. Yellow card and penalty to Rangers! :greengrin

For what it is worth. I am pretty certain it hit his arm. Having re-read the rules though, I can see why it wasn't given.

[JimBHibees]

Just shows how bad our officials are(or corrupt). Stevie Wonder could see Boyle was in his own half when he got the ball and started his run. That linesman could not have got his flag up any faster.

He didn’t put his flag up until we scored

[JimBHibees]

I've just watched it again, and I genuinely don't know how anyone can watch the footage and say that it 100% hits his arm. The issue here for me is poundland Var and the lack of suitable camera angles. From the one angle we are seeing you cant 100% tell - its like from certain camera or video angles it like can look like people are holding up the leaning tower of Pisa. For anyone claiming it definitely hits his arm, would you also say that this woman is definitely touching the leaning tower of Pisa with her hand? :wink: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCPnWjuNHmw

The idea that is a "stonewaller" is one based on pure Hibs bias. People claiming its the same as the Ross County away penalty we conceded are also not logically analysing things correctly, when there are a number of obvious differences (mainly that Cadden clearly handled it with an outstretched arm and the ball didn't hit him or a nearby opponent first on the way to hitting his arm).

We have had countless horrible decisions against us, particularly under Johnson and Montgomery which have been correctly called out by us as fans. If this was a shocking decision I'd be first to say so but I think sometimes there is a complete lack of objectivity from elements of our support on incidents like this - which is of course the same with all fanbases.

Think it clearly hits his arm. What else is it hitting from that angle? Think you are being a little contrary

[LaMotta]

She is quite clearly handling the tower there. Yellow card and penalty to Rangers! :greengrin

For what it is worth. I am pretty certain it hit his arm. Having re-read the rules though, I can see why it wasn't given.

:greengrin

[LaMotta]

Think it clearly hits his arm. What else is it hitting from that angle? Think you are being a little contrary

The woman is clearly touching the Leaning Tower of Pisa. What else is touching it from that angle? :cool2:

[Glory Lurker]

That woman is a giant!

323 views - bet it only had about four before this thread. Somewhere, someone is wondering why the hell this film that's barely been viewed in over a decade is now getting hits.

[LaMotta]

That woman is a giant!

:hilarious

[gbhibby]

I've just watched it again, and I genuinely don't know how anyone can watch the footage and say that it 100% hits his arm. The issue here for me is poundland Var and the lack of suitable camera angles. From the one angle we are seeing you cant 100% tell - its like from certain camera or video angles it like can look like people are holding up the leaning tower of Pisa. For anyone claiming it definitely hits his arm, would you also say that this woman is definitely touching the leaning tower of Pisa with her hand? :wink: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCPnWjuNHmw

The idea that is a "stonewaller" is one based on pure Hibs bias. People claiming its the same as the Ross County away penalty we conceded are also not logically analysing things correctly, when there are a number of obvious differences (mainly that Cadden clearly handled it with an outstretched arm and the ball didn't hit him or a nearby opponent first on the way to hitting his arm).

We have had countless horrible decisions against us, particularly under Johnson and Montgomery which have been correctly called out by us as fans. If this was a shocking decision I'd be first to say so but I think sometimes there is a complete lack of objectivity from elements of our support on incidents like this - which is of course the same with all fanbases.
Inconclusive.

[BILLYHIBS]

It's a very interesting debate this. What isn't open to debate is that if that very same incident had happened at the other end it would have taken a miracle for a penalty not to be awarded.

VIDEO ASSISTANT RANGER

Surprised Dessers did not get at least one award for repeatedly throwing himself to the ground and holding his head

Couldn’t hit a barn door if his life depended on it

The amount of Hibs fouls earned but not given and fouls conceded that were never even a challenge

Not forgetting the red card and penalty claim

[Hibernian Verse]

VIDEO ASSISTANT RANGER

Surprised Dessers did not get at least one award for repeatedly throwing himself to the ground and holding his head

Couldn’t hit a barn door if his life depended on it

The amount of Hibs fouls earned but not given and fouls conceded that were never even a challenge

Not forgetting the red card and penalty claim

The Video Assistant Ranger did a ***** job of ruling out Boyle's goal.

[BILLYHIBS]

The Video Assistant Ranger did a ***** job of ruling out Boyle's goal.

They had a lonnngggg hard look

Did say to my mate Boyle was in his own half but his torso might have been over

Tav looked to be in his own half on the stand side playing him on

Never in doubt 😀

[easty]

His feet were in his own half. His body wasn’t. The line was drawn from his shoulder/armpit. The hun guy’s foot was just playing him on. As I said above. Its not just where your feet are.

:agree:

It was definitely close, I feel like the lino shouldn't be flagging unless he's sure though. VAR will check it, there's nae need for him to guess.

[JimBHibees]

They had a lonnngggg hard look

Did say to my mate Boyle was in his own half but his torso might have been over

Tav looked to be in his own half on the stand side playing him on

Never in doubt 😀

Think it was Sterling that played him on

[DH1875]

Their number 21 is clearly playing him on. Being in his own half is irrelevant.

[JimBHibees]

The woman is clearly touching the Leaning Tower of Pisa. What else is touching it from that angle? :cool2:

:greengrin

[BILLYHIBS]

Think it was Sterling that played him on

👍

What was he doing over there was supposed to be marking Boyle ? 😀

https://i.ibb.co/BH25bSQj/IMG-3404.png (https://ibb.co/8ngLqSf2)

[gbhibby]

👍

What was he doing over there was supposed to be marking Boyle ? 😀

https://i.ibb.co/BH25bSQj/IMG-3404.png (https://ibb.co/8ngLqSf2)
Do they not have a camera at the half way line to draw the lines? Wonder what they do in the instance when a player's feet are in their own half but because they are leaning forward part of the torso is in the opposition half is the player in his own half or the opposition half?

[LaMotta]

Do they not have a camera at the half way line to draw the lines? Wonder what they do in the instance when a player's feet are in their own half but because they are leaning forward part of the torso is in the opposition half is the player in his own half or the opposition half?

That's exactly the case with Boyle here, and why they've drawn the lines compared to Sterling!

Poundshop VAR though and lack of cameras. Still not convinced Boyle was offside at Hampden v Sheep in the LC semi.

[Donegal Hibby]

I was reading an article where Keith Hackett said that VAR shouldn’t have intervened on the Raskin challenge and at worst it was a yellow card offence . He didn’t mention the penalty claim but did say that Dessers should have received a yellow card for simulation, really don’t understand why he wasn’t booked . Loved Rocky and Iredales reaction to the cheating…..

[matty_f]

:agree:

It was definitely close, I feel like the lino shouldn't be flagging unless he's sure though. VAR will check it, there's nae need for him to guess.

He has to make a decision under the VAR guidelines.

[gbhibby]

That's exactly the case with Boyle here, and why they've drawn the lines compared to Sterling!

Poundshop VAR though and lack of cameras. Still not convinced Boyle was offside at Hampden v Sheep in the LC semi.
Have seen incidents where a player is fouled on the edge of the box the top half of his body is in the box(or on the line) but the foul is low and contact takes place outside or a shirt pull. So the half way line because it is a boundary the same logic should apply so the only lines should be to confirm a player is in his own half. At ibrox the lines seem to be using the torso of Boyle rather than his feet. This would have made the VAR check quicker. If Boyle is in the opposition half fine draw the lines as per the practice for offsides.

[Onion]

I was reading an article where Keith Hackett said that VAR shouldn’t have intervened on the Raskin challenge and at worst it was a yellow card offence . He didn’t mention the penalty claim but did say that Dessers should have received a yellow card for simulation, really don’t understand why he wasn’t booked . Loved Rocky and Iredales reaction to the cheating…..

:aok: Rare to see Hibs players do that especially at Ibrox, Great to see. IMO that one reaction reveals so much about the character and spirit in this Hibs team, and why we've gone 16 unbeaten.

[LaMotta]

Have seen incidents where a player is fouled on the edge of the box the top half of his body is in the box(or on the line) but the foul is low and contact takes place outside or a shirt pull. So the half way line because it is a boundary the same logic should apply so the only lines should be to confirm a player is in his own half. At ibrox the lines seem to be using the torso of Boyle rather than his feet. This would have made the VAR check quicker. If Boyle is in the opposition half fine draw the lines as per the practice for offsides.

A good point about the foul at edge of box, but for purposes of offside, you can score with head or shoulder etc so makes sense ( to me anyway!) for Boyle to be checked on this one against Sterling - given his upper half was in the Rangers half.

[tamig]

A good point about the foul at edge of box, but for purposes of offside, you can score with head or shoulder etc so makes sense ( to me anyway!) for Boyle to be checked on this one against Sterling - given his upper half was in the Rangers half.

Thats correct. For offside, any part of the body you can score with can be deemed offside.

[linlithgowhibbie]

He has to make a decision under the VAR guidelines.

Yes but the decision should have been Onside no offence!

[matty_f]

Yes but the decision should have been Onside no offence!

Yeah it definitely should have been!!! Thankfully VAR is there to fix these ones now.

[LaMotta]

Yeah it definitely should have been!!! Thankfully VAR is there to fix these ones now.

We had 18 months of largely being shafted by VAR, but there's no doubt this season it has (Dundee United home game apart) done what it should have and also benefitted us (correctly) on a number of occasions. Some might argue (not me:greengrin) that we got a bit lucky with it twice as well v Utd away and Celtic at home.

[wookie70]

Have seen incidents where a player is fouled on the edge of the box the top half of his body is in the box(or on the line) but the foul is low and contact takes place outside or a shirt pull. So the half way line because it is a boundary the same logic should apply so the only lines should be to confirm a player is in his own half. At ibrox the lines seem to be using the torso of Boyle rather than his feet. This would have made the VAR check quicker. If Boyle is in the opposition half fine draw the lines as per the practice for offsides.

Not sure how to word it but the position is down to the part of the body involved in the offence. A foul it is where the contact takes place. Offside it is the part of the body that is allowed to score. For your box scenario imagine the attacking player is dribbling for inside to outside the box and is caught on the furthest back heel which is on the line of the penalty area. Every part of the attackers body barring the heel is outside the box but the contact is inside so a penalty is awarded. It is irrelevant where anything is for a foul barring the contact point

[AmericanKev]

You will be hard pressed to see a more certain penalty, to hibs, not given by var all season.

it's Ibrox. Also VAR sometimes goes into powersave mode.

[easty]

He has to make a decision under the VAR guidelines.

Aye, but if you’re not sure he’s offside you shouldn’t be flagging. That’s the decision.

[matty_f]

Aye, but if you’re not sure he’s offside you shouldn’t be flagging. That’s the decision.

He must have thought it was offside though. Other than getting the decision wrong (significant as that is) the linesman did what he was there to do. It doesn’t make too much difference if he flags or not because it gets checked anyway, other than to alert the referee that there’s an offence.

I get what you’re saying by the way, and I don’t really agree with your point but he’s not allowed to make an “I’m not sure” decision - he has to say one way or another and then if he’s wrong VAR should fix it.

[Pagan Hibernia]

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/fresh-twist-in-scottish-football-var-controversy-as-kmi-panel-rule-on-rangers-hibs-and-hearts-decisions-5079875

Correct decision not to award the penalty according to the panel.

[Since452]

Anything to avoid their usual 3-0 defeat