Fair play Derek Mcinnes

[Albert Kidd 86’]

Very nice words from Derek after the game, shows those trolls Brendan Rodgers and Jim Goodwin what dignity is:

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/derek-mcinnes-brutally-honest-admission-hibs-kilmarnock-boss-compliment-5035686

Good to see that along with SDG there are still some people in the Scottish game with a grip of reality.

fair play to Mcinnes.

here is the quote

Hibs arrived with a lot of confidence and they've got a bit of everything — size, pace, ball players. If you go after them in a press, they'll bang it in behind. They did it two or three times and it spooked us defensively. We looked a bit uneasy and unsure of ourselves.
"I think this is the best Hibs team that I've come up against in a few years. They've got a wee bit of everything and with that added ingredient of confidence. They've got ball-players, they've got size, athleticism on the sides and a proper front pairing. Obviously Hoilett was added to that as well."

[worcesterhibby]

Very nice words from Derek after the game, shows those trolls Brendan Rodgers and Jim Goodwin what dignity is:

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/derek-mcinnes-brutally-honest-admission-hibs-kilmarnock-boss-compliment-5035686

Good to see that along with SDG there are still some people in the Scottish game with a grip of reality.

fair play to Mcinnes.

can you not just cut and paste the quote here.. trying to read anything amongst the 750000 pop ups and false links on the EEN website makes it impossible to read.

[JohnM1875]

I actually quite like Mcinnes these days. Not just because he said nice things about Hibs though.

Watched a few podcasts when he's been the guest the past few months and he just seems like an honest good guy. Great insight into the game as well.

Used to think he was just a moaning wee hun.

[Heisenberg]

Fair to say a lot of Killie fans aren’t so keen on him these days going by some of the comments I’ve read after the weekend.

[B.H.F.C]

Fair to say a lot of Killie fans aren’t so keen on him these days going by some of the comments I’ve read after the weekend.

I think they’ve been really poor in all three games this year. We should have taken 9 points from them, but let them off in both games down there.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Fair to say a lot of Killie fans aren’t so keen on him these days going by some of the comments I’ve read after the weekend.

Over the piece they’ve done brilliantly under him. Their problem now is that they’ve reverted to roughly where they should be having had a taste for European football etc.

He done a very good job of winning them the Championship from where he took them over, done well to consolidate their place in the top tier the season after and then done an incredible job last season. Ultimately though, this is about where they should be. He’s a victim of his own success to an extent.

[Albert Kidd 86’]

can you not just cut and paste the quote here.. trying to read anything amongst the 750000 pop ups and false links on the EEN website makes it impossible to read.


added quote to first post.

[worcesterhibby]

added quote to first post.

thanks, very much appreciated :aok:

[Donegal Hibby]

Fair to say a lot of Killie fans aren’t so keen on him these days going by some of the comments I’ve read after the weekend.

When you play the type of football Killie do and it starts to go wrong fans will always turn on the manager.

The pitch they have will probably help save them from relegation/play offs again under McInnes as they have only won 9 points on the road .

Glad we kept clear off McInnes , might have a decent record but the football is brutal.

[matty_f]

When you play the type of football Killie do and it starts to go wrong fans will always turn on the manager.

The pitch they have will probably help save them from relegation/play offs again under McInnes as they have only won 9 points on the road .

Glad we kept clear off McInnes , might have a decent record but the football is brutal.

That’s the crux of it with McInnes. It’s a repeating pattern that the fans will put up with the awful football while they get results but as soon as they stop - which they always do - the football is almost immediately unacceptable.

I know a guy that runs a Killie podcast and he is really frustrated with McInnes. You could hear their fans getting frustrated on Saturday, it’s not just a good season from McInnes that raised their expectations, they had good seasons under a few managers - probably not far off the sort of seasons we’ve had over the last 20 years or so.

[Stevie Reid]

McInnes' name came up on the PM board a couple of weeks ago. I made the point then that, the way we have been playing in this excellent run is how I would've expected a good Hibs side to play under McInnes.

I definitely see parallels with his best Aberdeen teams. We play good football in the right areas, are well up for the physical battle and pretty streetwise, are a threat at set pieces and can defend them pretty effectively, and we're also pretty good at taking the sting out of games when we're ahead. Can outplay teams but also win the battle, when necessary. A bit of everything, as DM said - and that's exactly what you need to be a successful non-OF team in this league.

I've always found McInnes to be the type to give a fair assessment of a game, and give credit where it's due anyway - but I suspect he was so complimentary at the weekend as we have as much about us as his best teams did.

[SHODAN]

Kilmarnock have only beaten us once with McInnes as manager, which may partly explain this change in tone.

[Alex Trager]

That’s the crux of it with McInnes. It’s a repeating pattern that the fans will put up with the awful football while they get results but as soon as they stop - which they always do - the football is almost immediately unacceptable.

I know a guy that runs a Killie podcast and he is really frustrated with McInnes. You could hear their fans getting frustrated on Saturday, it’s not just a good season from McInnes that raised their expectations, they had good seasons under a few managers - probably not far off the sort of seasons we’ve had over the last 20 years or so.

I’d be inclined to suggest that the exact same thing is happening at our club right now.

I think McInnes gets a hard time. I’d have him at hibs in a heartbeat. If he gets a club performing as per the clubs expectations then we would be in a better position than we are in most seasons. DM has been done to death so I’ll leave it there. Last point I’d make is, when they part ways with him, I suspect they’ll drop like a stone.

My original point was that I think the football we are being served is VERY like a well-functioning DM side.
I’d also suggest that’s exactly why he was lavishing praise on us after the game.

We are a big physical side. With pace up top and down the sides.
We have no affinity with a ‘stylish’ football approach, like we seen under Maloney.
It is a style that works in Scotland, unless of course you have a massive budget where you can implement whatever style you want to.

I’d argue Hearts seem to have a desire to keep the ball well. They done it both times at ER this season.
Complete control of the ball for long periods of time creating virtually nothing but controlling the ball well in the middle of the park.

[Alex Trager]

McInnes' name came up on the PM board a couple of weeks ago. I made the point then that, the way we have been playing in this excellent run is how I would've expected a good Hibs side to play under McInnes.

I definitely see parallels with his best Aberdeen teams. We play good football in the right areas, are well up for the physical battle and pretty streetwise, are a threat at set pieces and can defend them pretty effectively, and we're also pretty good at taking the sting out of games when we're ahead. Can outplay teams but also win the battle, when necessary. A bit of everything, as DM said - and that's exactly what you need to be a successful non-OF team in this league.

I've always found McInnes to be the type to give a fair assessment of a game, and give credit where it's due anyway - but I suspect he was so complimentary at the weekend as we have as much about us as his best teams did.

I should have read all replies before posting mines.

This in spades.

[Paulie Walnuts]

McInnes' name came up on the PM board a couple of weeks ago. I made the point then that, the way we have been playing in this excellent run is how I would've expected a good Hibs side to play under McInnes.

I definitely see parallels with his best Aberdeen teams. We play good football in the right areas, are well up for the physical battle and pretty streetwise, are a threat at set pieces and can defend them pretty effectively, and we're also pretty good at taking the sting out of games when we're ahead. Can outplay teams but also win the battle, when necessary. A bit of everything, as DM said - and that's exactly what you need to be a successful non-OF team in this league.

I've always found McInnes to be the type to give a fair assessment of a game, and give credit where it's due anyway - but I suspect he was so complimentary at the weekend as we have as much about us as his best teams did.

:agree:

[Stevie Reid]

I’d be inclined to suggest that the exact same thing is happening at our club right now.

I think McInnes gets a hard time. I’d have him at hibs in a heartbeat. If he gets a club performing as per the clubs expectations then we would be in a better position than we are in most seasons. DM has been done to death so I’ll leave it there. Last point I’d make is, when they part ways with him, I suspect they’ll drop like a stone.

My original point was that I think the football we are being served is VERY like a well-functioning DM side.
I’d also suggest that’s exactly why he was lavishing praise on us after the game.

We are a big physical side. With pace up top and down the sides.
We have no affinity with a ‘stylish’ football approach, like we seen under Maloney.
It is a style that works in Scotland, unless of course you have a massive budget where you can implement whatever style you want to.

I’d argue Hearts seem to have a desire to keep the ball well. They done it both times at ER this season.
Complete control of the ball for long periods of time creating virtually nothing but controlling the ball well in the middle of the park.

Totally agree with this. As you say, the McInnes "style" chat has been done to death, and I too have no desire to go over too much old ground.

I do remember making the point during one of the threads that none of the managers who had secured a third place finish in our league in recent seasons had been universally loved by their support - and that the exact same criticisms are usually levelled at them when things aren't going so well. I always just took it as a reflection of the kind of pragmatism that is required to deliver the kind of results that allow you to finish in that position.

I do think it would be interesting to see what the vibe around SDG would have been like had our season not been made up of two extremes. If we had been sitting on the same number of points, in exactly the same position at this point of the season - but the wins and defeats were more evenly spread - would there be quite as much positivity?

Obviously the majority of us still would be very happy. But if the likes of the home defeats to St. Mirren and Motherwell, the 3-0 and 4-1 pumpings at Paisley and Dundee - and the injury time collapse at Tannadice had happened been spread out every few weeks - I think quite a few folk on here would be quite antsy. I also don't think loads of folk would be effusive in their praise about how we play.

Jack Ross is another name I'm loathe to mention as that debate has also been run into the ground - but we saw during his third place season that the occasional defeat and really poor performance can really burst your balloon with a lot of our support. Just how things are these days.

Anyway, I'm obviously delighted at how things have turned out for SDG so far, and think he's shown exactly the kind of savvy required for this league. Which was exactly what I was looking for after Montgomery (and why I was always an advocate of McInnes).

[Donegal Hibby]

That’s the crux of it with McInnes. It’s a repeating pattern that the fans will put up with the awful football while they get results but as soon as they stop - which they always do - the football is almost immediately unacceptable.

I know a guy that runs a Killie podcast and he is really frustrated with McInnes. You could hear their fans getting frustrated on Saturday, it’s not just a good season from McInnes that raised their expectations, they had good seasons under a few managers - probably not far off the sort of seasons we’ve had over the last 20 years or so.

:agree: Its something that has been used against him in the past and it’s the main reason I wouldn’t want to see him get the Hibs job as I think he’d be a dead man walking from the minute he got it as his style of football would eventually be used as the stick to beat him with by fans like some of these …

https://www.killiefc.com/forum/index.php?/topic/19839-times-up-derek/

[PHeffernan]

McInnes' name came up on the PM board a couple of weeks ago. I made the point then that, the way we have been playing in this excellent run is how I would've expected a good Hibs side to play under McInnes.

I definitely see parallels with his best Aberdeen teams. We play good football in the right areas, are well up for the physical battle and pretty streetwise, are a threat at set pieces and can defend them pretty effectively, and we're also pretty good at taking the sting out of games when we're ahead. Can outplay teams but also win the battle, when necessary. A bit of everything, as DM said - and that's exactly what you need to be a successful non-OF team in this league.

I've always found McInnes to be the type to give a fair assessment of a game, and give credit where it's due anyway - but I suspect he was so complimentary at the weekend as we have as much about us as his best teams did.

:aok:.

McInnes is a very good pragmatic manager.

Consistent success in modern football in Scotland is generally dictated by a combination of money and pragmatism.
A good ready indicator of comparative wealth of clubs in Scotland are their home attendances and it just so happens that the 6 clubs with significantly bigger home attendances than the rest are currently placed 1-6.

Below them you can chuck a sheet over the next 5 clubs home attendances with just over 1000 difference between 7th and 11th. Ross County are a further 1000 behind that and perform above that due to significant financial support from their owner.

Killie have struggled this season due to European football at the beginning of the season and more significantly injuries to key players including defensive lynch pin Findlay who has been out since October and striking talisman and captain Vassell who has been out from the turn of the year.
Both players will return post split and Killie will finish 8th or 9th.

Finishing 7th-10th every season should be seen as success by their supporters but many supporters don't do reality.
12 first team squad players, including some of their best, are out of contract in the summer so a lot of work for McInnes, their CEO and their recruitment team to do and they won't want to start until they put some distance between themselves and 11th.

[Donegal Hibby]

I think its quite amusing that both McInnes and Martindale have in recent weeks mentioned other teams pitches being bad … pot calling the kettle black 😆

I wonder will having to spend on a new pitch after next season have any effect on McInnes budget slightly in the summer ?

[007]

:agree: Its something that has been used against him in the past and it’s the main reason I wouldn’t want to see him get the Hibs job as I think he’d be a dead man walking from the minute he got it as his style of football would eventually be used as the stick to beat him with by fans like some of these …

https://www.killiefc.com/forum/index.php?/topic/19839-times-up-derek/

Lots of criticism on there and that's fans that watch them week in week out. I thought Killie were awful and offered very little. It wasn't a great watch and the pitch is terrible. Didn't think we were at our best but still should have won. Gutted to let in another late goal. A missed opportunity but we're still in the driving seat for 3rd.

[Pretty Boy]

McInnes has always been pretty fair in his assesment of games.

People just want to listen more now because we are beating him.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

For balance he also said this.. (can’t find the clip but I did hear him bleat on the radio about this which tune doesn’t come across in the text below)

“They had another player who went down far too easily. I always think the referees are put in a position with people going down.
“There might have been slight contact so I don’t think he dived but there was an earlier incident where someone tried to buy something. I’ve not seen it back but it was the right decision.
“My first thought was that he had tried to make the most of a tiny bit of contact to buy a penalty rather than earn a penalty."

[Donegal Hibby]

Lots of criticism on there and that's fans that watch them week in week out. I thought Killie were awful and offered very little. It wasn't a great watch and the pitch is terrible. Didn't think we were at our best but still should have won. Gutted to let in another late goal. A missed opportunity but we're still in the driving seat for 3rd.

I remember when Aberdeen looking for a manager and it was mentioned by a poster about taking him back the first reply was ‘ F*** No ‘ .

It started a bit of a debate with some bringing up what he had achieved while others went on about how bad they were to watch . The Dons fans were pretty split on their opinions of him and now there’s more from a different club but this time there seems to be more on about the football than what he’s achieved there …

I would have taken a point before it started but was gutted as well we didn’t get 3 mainly down to how awful they were. It was a missed opportunity but with Aberdeen drawing and us gaining a point on Utd it didn’t really affect us and hopefully that’s our blip out of the way now …

Maybe a lesson learnt for our next game in we have got to be more clinical in taking our chances and killing teams off .

[hhibs]

I remember when Aberdeen looking for a manager and it was mentioned by a poster about taking him back the first reply was ‘ F*** No ‘ .

It started a bit of a debate with some bringing up what he had achieved while others went on about how bad they were to watch . The Dons fans were pretty split on their opinions of him and now there’s more from a different club but this time there seems to be more on about the football than what he’s achieved there …

I would have taken a point before it started but was gutted as well we didn’t get 3 mainly down to how awful they were. It was a missed opportunity but with Aberdeen drawing and us gaining a point on Utd it didn’t really affect us and hopefully that’s our blip out of the way now …

Maybe a lesson learnt for our next game in we have got to be more clinical in taking our chances and killing teams off .



Do you not think the team should have learnt that lesson by now ?

[JimBHibees]

For balance he also said this.. (can’t find the clip but I did hear him bleat on the radio about this which tune doesn’t come across in the text below)

“They had another player who went down far too easily. I always think the referees are put in a position with people going down.
“There might have been slight contact so I don’t think he dived but there was an earlier incident where someone tried to buy something. I’ve not seen it back but it was the right decision.
“My first thought was that he had tried to make the most of a tiny bit of contact to buy a penalty rather than earn a penalty."

He can bolt can’t even remotely think of anything like that

[JimBHibees]

Do you not think the team should have learnt that lesson by now ?

Think we have in general improved significantly on not losing late goals

[Centre Hawf]

I remember when Aberdeen looking for a manager and it was mentioned by a poster about taking him back the first reply was ‘ F*** No ‘ .

It started a bit of a debate with some bringing up what he had achieved while others went on about how bad they were to watch . The Dons fans were pretty split on their opinions of him and now there’s more from a different club but this time there seems to be more on about the football than what he’s achieved there …

I would have taken a point before it started but was gutted as well we didn’t get 3 mainly down to how awful they were. It was a missed opportunity but with Aberdeen drawing and us gaining a point on Utd it didn’t really affect us and hopefully that’s our blip out of the way now …

Maybe a lesson learnt for our next game in we have got to be more clinical in taking our chances and killing teams off .

To be fair though going back is never a good idea in general I feel. I wouldn't want to take Alan Stubbs back, or Neil Lennon, or Jack Ross. But all three of them were successful to varying degrees at Hibs. Me saying I don't want them back doesn't diminish what they achieved here.

[Donegal Hibby]

To be fair though going back is never a good idea in general I feel. I wouldn't want to take Alan Stubbs back, or Neil Lennon, or Jack Ross. But all three of them were successful to varying degrees at Hibs. Me saying I don't want them back doesn't diminish what they achieved here.

It’s probably not a good idea to go back and I agree about the past managers you mention but if Gray left and I thought there’s was a chance of getting Mowbray back I’d be all for it at the same time .:greengrin

[Donegal Hibby]

Do you not think the team should have learnt that lesson by now ?

I think all teams have blips now and again , hopefully that’s ours out of the way for a while . The thing that cost us against Killie was not taking our chances something hopefully we will work on in training ahead of the saints game.