Late goals killing us this season.

[Spike Mandela]

Our points total severely dented by losing all these late goals this season. We just can't seem to hold a narrow lead.

Was keeping an eye on the score from work today and just knew the longer it went the more likely we would lose one. Just knew it was coming.

So frustrating

[Baldy Foghorn]

I never thought they would score after their earlier goal was ruled out for offside, the draw flattered Killie

[Nicho87]

4 points alone to Kilmarnock with last min goals.

All ifs and buts but that alone would see us 5 clear in third.

Had a feeling a last min goal was coming today for some reason, hibs played very well but too wasteful in the final third. Lessons need to be learnt in finishing teams off imo

[hibsbollah]

I posted this elsewhere but this is largely a start of the season problem. We’ve only dropped points from winning positions twice in this 14 game run, and in another two of the draws we’ve come from behind to earn a point. The other was a 0-0 draw and the other 9, the vast majority, we’ve won.

It’s still a very positive picture.

[Hibs Go Bragh]

I’m the opposite, our defence has been so good of late I was surprised we didn’t hold on. I’m struggling to remember the last late goal we lost?! Our dreadful form at the start of the season is what will ultimately determine our final league standing but from where we were in Nov/Dec I’m totally fine with finishing anywhere between 3rd -5th and SDG and the team should take enormous credit for turning it around regardless of where we finish.

**finishing 3rd would obviously be Barry tho!!

[raeburnhibs]

Our points total severely dented by losing all these late goals this season. We just can't seem to hold a narrow lead.

Was keeping an eye on the score from work today and just knew the longer it went the more likely we would lose one. Just knew it was coming.

So frustrating

Yes, but we also could have easily drawn with Celtic, a couple of weeks ago, we didn't, Iredale's peach could have been 6 inches to the right and hit the post, it didn't, and DU's chalked off goal could have counted. Swings and roundabouts.

[Steve20]

These draws away are going to cost us 3rd place. St Johnstone, Ross County and Kilmarnock away and three draws not going to be enough.

I’m not going to complain about the season overall because to be in with a shout of 3rd after out start is incredible and the league unbeaten run is great.

But 3rd at the end of the season probably won’t happen with the draws.

[Shrekko]

4 points alone to Kilmarnock with last min goals.

All ifs and buts but that alone would see us 5 clear in third.

I don’t know why people do that- it’s as if absolutely everything will definitely end up with the same outcome thereafter.

As well as that - draws are part of football. People only ever talk about the points lost from winning positions and not the points gained from losing positions. It’s just football.

Saw a guy on FB tonight saying we’d drawn 6 games after being ahead which will have cost us EIGHTEEN points and the chance to be above Rangers! It’s mental.

[MacGruber]

Just seen the highlights. Jordan Smith, he's been brilliant but what's he doing for that goal? Murray taps a tame effort right at the middle of the goal. It's an easy save if he doesn't inexplicably jump out the way. Thought there must have been a deflection but there wasn't. Really weird piece of goalkeeping.

Not the sole problem obviously, not shutting down crosses, losing the header, men left alone on the penalty spot, Campbell on a wander. Seriously though keeper just stands still and jobs a good un

[B.H.F.C]

These draws away are going to cost us 3rd place. St Johnstone, Ross County and Kilmarnock away and three draws not going to be enough.

I’m not going to complain about the season overall because to be in with a shout of 3rd after out start is incredible and the league unbeaten run is great.

But 3rd at the end of the season probably won’t happen with the draws.

Aberdeen are one of the teams chasing us and they drew at St Johnstone today. They lost by 4 last time they were at Kilmarnock. They lost to Ross County last time they played them. Everyone will drop points they don’t think they should.

I still think we’re in a strong position for third but must win our two home games before the split, no excuses.

[cubehindthegoal]

I posted this elsewhere but this is largely a start of the season problem. We’ve only dropped points from winning positions twice in this 14 game run, and in another two of the draws we’ve come from behind to earn a point. The other was a 0-0 draw and the other 9, the vast majority, we’ve won.

It’s still a very positive picture.

Could also be said that we “saw out” 2-1 wins v hearts … twice … and so that counterbalances the four points where we didn’t at Kilmarnock. And that’s without looking at other matches, eg equaliser 3-3 v Aberdeen.

People can spin things any way they want, but surely … surely … when we have climbed to third place in the league from bottom place a few months ago … surely seeing it positively, as you say, is the only way a Hibs fan can at the moment.

[B.H.F.C]

Just seen the highlights. Jordan Smith, he's been brilliant but what's he doing for that goal? Murray taps a tame effort right at the middle of the goal. It's an easy save if he doesn't inexplicably jump out the way. Thought there must have been a deflection but there wasn't. Really weird piece of goalkeeping.

Not the sole problem obviously, not shutting down crosses, losing the header, men left alone on the penalty spot, Campbell on a wander. Seriously though keeper just stands still and jobs a good un

I’ve not seen it back but at the game I wondered about Smith. The ball just kind of trundled in right down the middle of the goal. Think he’s probably tried to read where it’s going and the scuffed shot has done him.

[SHODAN]

This is the first time a late goal has negatively impacted us since the 4th November, four months ago. Since then we've got draws/wins from scoring late goals against Aberdeen, Hearts, St Johnstone, Rangers, Ayr and Dundee United.

This thread feels like something that was saved in drafts last year and has accidentally been posted now.

[B.H.F.C]

This is the first time a late goal has negatively impacted us since the 4th November, four months ago. Since then we've got draws/wins from scoring late goals against Aberdeen, Hearts, St Johnstone, Rangers, Ayr and Dundee United.

This thread feels like something that was saved in drafts last year and has accidentally been posted now.

Ross County scored in the last few minutes up there to get a draw 5 or 6 weeks ago.

[SHODAN]

Ross County scored in the last few minutes up there to get a draw 5 or 6 weeks ago.

How do I delete everything

[TrinityHFC]

These draws away are going to cost us 3rd place. St Johnstone, Ross County and Kilmarnock away and three draws not going to be enough.

I’m not going to complain about the season overall because to be in with a shout of 3rd after out start is incredible and the league unbeaten run is great.

But 3rd at the end of the season probably won’t happen with the draws.

Rubbish.

Same thing was said when we drew games earlier in the season. We are never going to compete for third place…

Well here we hare in third place.

Hibs are not going to win every game they play.

[hibsbollah]

Could also be said that we “saw out” 2-1 wins v hearts … twice … and so that counterbalances the four points where we didn’t at Kilmarnock. And that’s without looking at other matches, eg equaliser 3-3 v Aberdeen.

People can spin things any way they want, but surely … surely … when we have climbed to third place in the league from bottom place a few months ago … surely seeing it positively, as you say, is the only way a Hibs fan can at the moment.

Thank you.

[Ronniekirk]

We have drawn more games than any other team We have drawn 10 Dundee United 8 and a few other teams on six
So it’s the draws that are costing us
McInnes said they didn’t deserve the draw Todsy was defo two points thrown away given our performance

[JimBHibees]

I never thought they would score after their earlier goal was ruled out for offside, the draw flattered Killie

Big time

[ancient hibee]

We have drawn more games than any other team We have drawn 20 Dundee United 8 and a few other teams on six
So it’s the draws that are killing us
McInnes said they didn’t deserve the draw Todsy was defo two points thrown away given our performance


You're forgetting the draws that could have been losses.

[hibsbollah]

You're forgetting the draws that could have been losses.

Aberdeen and rangers both spectacular 3-3 examples.

[lyonhibs]

We have drawn more games than any other team We have drawn 20 Dundee United 8 and a few other teams on six
So it’s the draws that are killing us
McInnes said they didn’t deserve the draw Todsy was defo two points thrown away given our performance

We've drawn 20 games??

[Northernhibee]

We have drawn more games than any other team We have drawn 20 Dundee United 8 and a few other teams on six
So it’s the draws that are killing us
McInnes said they didn’t deserve the draw Todsy was defo two points thrown away given our performance

We’re third in the table.

It could more accurately be argued that draws are what are keeping us in third and that where teams come out of games like today with no points, we still add to our tally. We seldomly lose.

[hibsbollah]

We’re third in the table.

It could more accurately be argued that draws are what are keeping us in third and that where teams come out of games like today with no points, we still add to our tally. We seldomly lose.

First 16 games W2 D6 L8, 12 points. 12th place.
Following 14 games W9 D5 L0 32 points. 3rd place.

Draws have been spaced out evenly across the two runs. Its the number of games we’ve won since the end of November that’s notable and most relevant.

[Donegal Hibby]

We have drawn more games than any other team We have drawn 20 Dundee United 8 and a few other teams on six
So it’s the draws that are killing us
McInnes said they didn’t deserve the draw Todsy was defo two points thrown away given our performance

Hertz have lost five more games than us …. We are five points ahead of them . Rather draws than defeats .

[cubehindthegoal]

First 16 games W2 D6 L8, 12 points. 12th place.
Following 14 games W9 D5 L0 32 points. 3rd place.

Draws have been spaced out evenly across the two runs. Its the number of games we’ve won since the end of November that’s notable and most relevant.

That’s true … interesting … and again just the simple facts not combined with other stats to manipulate a case … never noticed that …

..so you could say we’ve really flipped losses into wins, and also draws are almost irrelevant in some ways .. and maybe draws even themselves out more or less in being seen as “a point won” or “a point lost” ..

[hibsbollah]

..so you could say we’ve really flipped losses into wins

:agree: That’s how it looks to me.

[Carheenlea]

We've drawn 20 games??

11 draws.

Our 8 defeats is only two more than Rangers have suffered. We have the same number of wins as we have draws.

[B.H.F.C]

That’s true … interesting … and again just the simple facts not combined with other stats to manipulate a case … never noticed that …

..so you could say we’ve really flipped losses into wins, and also draws are almost irrelevant in some ways .. and maybe draws even themselves out more or less in being seen as “a point won” or “a point lost” ..

You could say that but the three really disappointing draws have been against the bottom three. Two we were leading and have lost a late goal. The other we played against 10 men for an hour.

Whatever the form, we’ve chucked some amount of points away late in games. Some draws can be a good point but we’ve had some really, really disappointing draws. Today felt like that for me.

[cubehindthegoal]

Yet another (positive) way to look it at it …

… the three losses less than the sheep, and/or the four draws more than them … so far … have enabled us to move above them into third place.

Stats can be used in many ways. Third place says it all for me for now. Aside from the two glasgow ones … as per their boring usual … we are the best team at the moment in Scotland. Well done Hibs.

And goodnight fellow Hibs fans from me and my lad … another point on the board today … onwards and upwards … and downwards … and upwards again … etc 😉 always Hibs though 💚

[expresso]

I’ve not seen it back but at the game I wondered about Smith. The ball just kind of trundled in right down the middle of the goal. Think he’s probably tried to read where it’s going and the scuffed shot has done him.

I thought it was caused by the crappy pitch
Murray hit it down and ball bounced up
Smith read ball trajectory like a grass pitch, no?

[B.H.F.C]

I thought it was caused by the crappy pitch
Murray hit it down and ball bounced up
Smith read ball trajectory like a grass pitch, no?

No for me, didn’t think it was anything to do with the pitch. As I said, not seen it back but, at the time, I just thought it was a bit of a scuff that went in the middle of the goals and it just felt like something maybe wasn’t right.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

If the Huns lose to Celtc tomorrow, we've only lost 1 game more than them over 30 games. We have drawn a lot more games than others. You can argue some could have been defeats, others should have been wins. I guess it'll only be an issue at the end of the season, but two injury time equalisers away to Kilie when we really should be seeing the game out are extremely annoying.

[Jones28]

Late goals turning draws in to defeats are different to today, where we drew after a late goal.

If we had taken our chances today we would have won comfortably, late goal or not.

This is a journey, remember this was set up as a transitional season by Malky in pre season. I can’t wait to see us in when we are ready after a big turnaround in players.

[Cooshed Kid]

We have scored a number of goals on counter-attack, which is great, but we still have an issue with our midfield seeming to be the weakest part of the team so it doesn't hold possession sufficiently and doesn't create enough chances. Or at least that's how it seems to me. Maybe the statistics show a different picture.

When we're only leading by one, if just one person in the defence loses focus for a moment or makes one mistake then we're in trouble. I hope we can address the midfield whether by reorganisation or recruitment. In SDG I trust.

[Donegal Hibby]

We have scored a number of goals on counter-attack, which is great, but we still have an issue with our midfield seeming to be the weakest part of the team so it doesn't hold possession sufficiently and doesn't create enough chances. Or at least that's how it seems to me. Maybe the statistics show a different picture.

When we're only leading by one, if just one person in the defence loses focus for a moment or makes one mistake then we're in trouble. I hope we can address the midfield whether by reorganisation or recruitment. In SDG I trust.

Against Killie it was just a case of not taking our chances and finishing them off ( it happens sometimes) . I think we have done alright in recent times in creating chances and scoring .

We have scored the third most goals in the league with 45 , might be wrong but think the season we finished third under Ross we scored something like 50 ..

I think we have / are addressing the midfield with the signing of Manneh who we haven’t seen yet and hopefully is a gem . We have also signed McGrath for next season who I rate in he’s creative with an eye for a goal and is a good signing IMO .

[Cooshed Kid]

Against Killie it was just a case of not taking our chances and finishing them off ( it happens sometimes) . I think we have done alright in recent times in creating chances and scoring .

We have scored the third most goals in the league with 45 , might be wrong but think the season we finished third under Ross we scored something like 50 ..

I think we have / are addressing the midfield with the signing of Manneh who we haven’t seen yet and hopefully is a gem . We have also signed McGrath for next season who I rate in he’s creative with an eye for a goal and is a good signing IMO .

I had completely forgotten about McGrath.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

We're third. After sitting dead last in November

To have a thread about anything "killing our season" is wild and disrespectful to this group that have turned everything around , imo

[Northernhibee]

We're third. After sitting dead last in November

To have a thread about anything "killing our season" is wild and disrespectful to this group that have turned everything around , imo

We’ve also lost less games than Dundee United and Hearts. We’ve only lost two less games than Rangers.

[Lendo]

I would be curious to know how close to 2nd place we would be had we not dropped points from a winning in the last ten minutes of games this season. But I’m too lazy to go and work it out.

[WhileTheChief..]

This is a journey, remember this was set up as a transitional season by Malky in pre season. I can’t wait to see us in when we are ready after a big turnaround in players.

Yup. This shouldn’t be forgotten in the summer and is why I’m still expecting huge changes in the squad.

We’re on a great run, nothing more.

We’ve also dropped way too many points against the smaller teams.

Whilst wins over Celtic and Hearts are great, dropping points against Killie, Ross Co and St Johnstone should act as a reminder of how much work still needs to be done.

[marinello59]

Yup. This shouldn’t be forgotten in the summer and is why I’m still expecting huge changes in the squad.

We’re on a great run, nothing more.

We’ve also dropped way too many points against the smaller teams.

Whilst wins over Celtic and Hearts are great, dropping points against Killie, Ross Co and St Johnstone should act as a reminder of how much work still needs to be done.

We have gone through summer after summer with huge change. I reckon we will see incremental change from now on.
This nothing more run is the best most of us have seen in our lifetimes and is largely the result of a tremendous squad spirit. I haven’t seen many Hibs teams fight for each other the way this group currently does. You don’t take a wrecking ball to that.

[Ronniekirk]

You're forgetting the draws that could have been losses.

But in fact many could of and should of been wins That’s my point Look towards improving that stat and third would be very realistic ,and may well still be because as you point out a draw is better than a defeat

[Spike Mandela]

This is the first time a late goal has negatively impacted us since the 4th November, four months ago. Since then we've got draws/wins from scoring late goals against Aberdeen, Hearts, St Johnstone, Rangers, Ayr and Dundee United.

This thread feels like something that was saved in drafts last year and has accidentally been posted now.

To be fair I was talking about the season in it's entirity not cherry picking the good runs or the bad runs. Even games where we 'held on' recently we were fortunate to see Celtic and Utd late goals chalked off. we even lost a late goal at Parkhead,

As fantastic and welcome as our recent run has been it would be nice, if we want to realise our ambitions, to see us putting away teams like Killie by 2 or 3 goals. Maybe next season.:greengrin

[Tambo]

Killed us earlier on in the season, yesterday was a disappointment no doubt after defending well for large parts of the game.

[WhileTheChief..]

We have gone through summer after summer with huge change. I reckon we will see incremental change from now on.
This nothing more run is the best most of us have seen in our lifetimes and is largely the result of a tremendous squad spirit. I haven’t seen many Hibs teams fight for each other the way this group currently does. You don’t take a wrecking ball to that.

Agree with some of this but we still have loads of players in the squad who have contributed next to nothing to this run we're on.

It would be foolhardy to completely ignore the start of the season just 'cause we're going well now.

There will be plenty of ins and outs. it's up to Gray to ensure nothing is wrecked!

[B.H.F.C]

We have gone through summer after summer with huge change. I reckon we will see incremental change from now on.
This nothing more run is the best most of us have seen in our lifetimes and is largely the result of a tremendous squad spirit. I haven’t seen many Hibs teams fight for each other the way this group currently does. You don’t take a wrecking ball to that.

I think we’ll still see a fair amount of change in the summer. I think it’s the nature of it for clubs like us. Your squad is always going to be topped up with loan players and players on short term contracts. And that’s before you get to the ones who will naturally move on.

Bursik, Triantis, Kwon and Myko are loans ending that won’t be here. Gayle has more or less said he’ll retire. I think Yoaun will be sold and I don’t see any of the players out on loan coming back to play next year. And it still remains to be seen what will happen with a number of the out of contract players. Think we have a good base to work from in terms of the starting 11 but still a lot of work to be done on the squad as a whole, particularly if we have Europe to contend with.

[marinello59]

Agree with some of this but we still have loads of players in the squad who have contributed next to nothing to this run we're on.

It would be foolhardy to completely ignore the start of the season just 'cause we're going well now.

There will be plenty of ins and outs. it's up to Gray to ensure nothing is wrecked!

Fair points, especially the comment about it being down to Gray to ensure nothing is wrecked. I still don’t expect to see a vastly different starting line up at the start of next season from the one we are seeing now though.

[B.H.F.C]

Providing Dundee don’t do anything stupid, it won’t have been a bad weekend all in all. Another round of fixtures down and still in third dispute the annoyance of that late goal.

St Johnstone in a fortnight has to be a win and we’ll be in a pretty strong position from there. Weekend has shown that pretty much everyone will drop points as they go.

[Northernhibee]

Agree with some of this but we still have loads of players in the squad who have contributed next to nothing to this run we're on.

It would be foolhardy to completely ignore the start of the season just 'cause we're going well now.

There will be plenty of ins and outs. it's up to Gray to ensure nothing is wrecked!

I’m not convinced that’s a fair comment re: the squad. Quite a few players have lifted their games dramatically for this run and we’ve seen the best out of players like NMW, Levitt, Hoilett, Miller, O’Hora, and the like who have stepped in.

There are obvious outs - Jair, Kenneh, and so forth but I’m not seeing the need for wholesale changes.

[He's here!]

To be fair I was talking about the season in it's entirity not cherry picking the good runs or the bad runs. Even games where we 'held on' recently we were fortunate to see Celtic and Utd late goals chalked off. we even lost a late goal at Parkhead,

As fantastic and welcome as our recent run has been it would be nice, if we want to realise our ambitions, to see us putting away teams like Killie by 2 or 3 goals. Maybe next season.:greengrin

I think it's hard to quibble, bearing in mind the transformation in our fortunes Gray has overseen, but when you see that Hearts have lost 13 games compared to our eight losses you realise that it's our 11 draws which have allowed them to remain even vaguely close to us.

[WhileTheChief..]

I guess maybe our definitions of wholesale or sweeping changes are different!

There 30 players listed on the website, including the 5 out on loan.

Without giving this much thought at all....

Bursik is bound to be away.

I'd like to see Obita released and don't think Triantis or Bushiri will be here.

Kwon will be gone.

I'd definitely move on Newall for all the reasons given over the last 5 years but accept he might still be here. Don't think he'll get much game time though.

Youan, Gayle and Kuharevich will also be away most likely.

Add in the 5 players out on loan that I don't think will ever play for us again and that's a fair turnaround in players before even thinking about the rest of the squad.