Youan

[Stuart93]

Any word on why he was missing again?

Feel like we’ve got out of Youan what I expected we would after the January window.

[Ribs1875]

Saving himself for the final games of the season to have a blinder and earn himself a 10 million pound move to Napoli.

[theonlywayisup]

:lips seal I'm saying nothing.

[HibeeMackenzie]

Chipped finger nail this time

[AlbertK86]

Hibs Observer after match report said he was injured !


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[Hibees1973]

The enigma of our current time.

[HiBremian]

Chipped finger nail this timeFoot and finger disease. Quarantined for a month.

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[Nicho87]

Pedicure appointment cancelled

[DaveF]

Waste. Of. Space.

[cameronw-hfc]

Maybe he's actually injured? highly doubt someone desperate to leave will sit out injured all jan, all of feb and some of march. if he was that desperate for a move wouldn't he have played through his good form to get that move?

Seems when Elie is involved nothing is taken at face value. We know he wanted to move, he was injured at the start of the season and once he got a run was a massive part in turning it around for us until he got hurt again. As soon as he was injured there were fans casting doubt, lets just take it at face value no? Gray likes him, wants to keep him, Elie is well liked by the squad and staff, yet if you read on here you'd think he's the devil for getting injured.

[TrinityHFC]

Maybe he's actually injured? highly doubt someone desperate to leave will sit out injured all jan, all of feb and some of march. if he was that desperate for a move wouldn't he have played through his good form to get that move?

Seems when Elie is involved nothing is taken at face value. We know he wanted to move, he was injured at the start of the season and once he got a run was a massive part in turning it around for us until he got hurt again. As soon as he was injured there were fans casting doubt, lets just take it at face value no? Gray likes him, wants to keep him, Elie is well liked by the squad and staff, yet if you read on here you'd think he's the devil for getting injured.

Yep. Some absolute roasters on here continually posting nonsense about him. No idea why, they’d have to tell you.

[cubehindthegoal]

Maybe he's actually injured? highly doubt someone desperate to leave will sit out injured all jan, all of feb and some of march. if he was that desperate for a move wouldn't he have played through his good form to get that move?

Seems when Elie is involved nothing is taken at face value. We know he wanted to move, he was injured at the start of the season and once he got a run was a massive part in turning it around for us until he got hurt again. As soon as he was injured there were fans casting doubt, lets just take it at face value no? Gray likes him, wants to keep him, Elie is well liked by the squad and staff, yet if you read on here you'd think he's the devil for getting injured.

He often gets a rough ride from many people, media and posters here, with no real evidence to back it save interpretation of circumstances and heresay to date.

[hibsbollah]

Waste. Of. Space.

:dunno:
Dunno why folk have a pop at one of our players that has given us somegreat moments, ****ed the hearts and who is clearly injured.

[flash]

Other players can be out far longer than expected without anywhere near the same level of vitriol.
It's distasteful at best.

[McD]

I wondered if his absence was to do with the awful pitch, keeping him out to avoid further injury on that horrible surface

[cubehindthegoal]

I wondered if his absence was to do with the awful pitch, keeping him out to avoid further injury on that horrible surface

Fair point .. especially combined with the fact it also seems like we also might currently actually have more players performing to a better standard than we have space in the matchday squad.

[Vini1875]

I wondered if his absence was to do with the awful pitch, keeping him out to avoid further injury on that horrible surface

That was my first thought. Not worth the risk.

[Donegal Hibby]

I wondered if his absence was to do with the awful pitch, keeping him out to avoid further injury on that horrible surface

It’s a fair point , something I think Gray could have done as he does manage players coming back from injury fairly well as we seen with Bowie .

[Gmack7]

Hopefully him and Newall back for the saints game

[DaveF]

:dunno:
Dunno why folk have a pop at one of our players that has given us somegreat moments, ****ed the hearts and who is clearly injured.

Fair enough. I'm only giving my opinion of a guy who has wanted to leave almost as soon as he's been here.

We won't see much of him again.

[lyonhibs]

Waste. Of. Space.

Absolute slavers. His goal involvements stats are not those of a waste of space

[DaveF]

Absolute slavers. His goal involvements stats are not those of a waste of space

How long ago were those?

[superfurryhibby]

How long ago were those?

Does injury not count in mitigation?

[Donegal Hibby]

Some of the stick Youan gets is bonkers .

[DaveF]

Does injury not count in mitigation?

Suppose it depends on just how injured you think he was / is.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

Some of the stick Youan gets is bonkers .

Something has to be explained. A toe injury since Boxing Day? Nah, that doesn't sound right.

[s.a.m]

Something has to be explained. A toe injury since Boxing Day? Nah, that doesn't sound right.

I've got no opinion on Youan's injury either way, but I injured a toe about 5years ago. The impact damaged the joint behind it, and I was struggling to walk. I had a year's physio, with 6 month's before I was back walking for half an hour or so, and a year before it was back to normalish and it's still a problem.

I was told it was a typical footballer / runner injury. If it's an uncomplicated break then you'd maybe expect him back. Feet are complicated though.

[Big_Franck]

Something has to be explained. A toe injury since Boxing Day? Nah, that doesn't sound right.

Agreed. We should have taken whatever we could've got for him last summer and moved on. I suspect this is the reason he's at Hibs. Has the ability to play at a higher level but not the application required to perform on anywhere near a consistent basis. Poor signing overall, given transfer fee and wages forked out.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Maybe he's actually injured? highly doubt someone desperate to leave will sit out injured all jan, all of feb and some of march. if he was that desperate for a move wouldn't he have played through his good form to get that move?

Seems when Elie is involved nothing is taken at face value. We know he wanted to move, he was injured at the start of the season and once he got a run was a massive part in turning it around for us until he got hurt again. As soon as he was injured there were fans casting doubt, lets just take it at face value no? Gray likes him, wants to keep him, Elie is well liked by the squad and staff, yet if you read on here you'd think he's the devil for getting injured.

:agree:

[Pretty Boy]

I'm not convinced he's going to contribute much this season now. I don't think he is faking an injury or anything sinister but he looked well off the pace last week (admittedly Celtic Park is probably not an easy place to come back in) and if he is injured again then with 8 games left I think we may have seen the best of him this season.

[BILLYHIBS]

Enigma

[LewysGot2]

I wondered if his absence was to do with the awful pitch, keeping him out to avoid further injury on that horrible surface

My first thought, too. Which, in itself tells us these pitches should be binned.

Daz used to not be risked at Killie all those years ago for that very reason and managing underlying injury risk

[jacomo]

Saving himself for the final games of the season to have a blinder and earn himself a 10 million pound move to Napoli.


:aok:

If that transpires, I'll be delighted.

In the meantime, I hope we see more of him before the end of the season. He's a very talented player imo.

[hibsbollah]

I think we’ll see him at some point against johnstone.

[Unseen work]

We need him back for the run in for third

Better team with him available

[Ribs1875]

:aok:

If that transpires, I'll be delighted.

In the meantime, I hope we see more of him before the end of the season. He's a very talented player imo.

Definitely, I really like him as a player. He answered a lot of critics with his fine form before he got injured. If he is back soon I think he will contribute positively.

[Jim44]

If he is injured, why was he on the bench against Hearts?

[B.H.F.C]

If he is injured, why was he on the bench against Hearts?

He’s been on the pitch against Celtic since he was on the bench against Hearts.

[Prof. Shaggy]

I got into the newly rebuilt Nôtre Dame in Paris recently. In fact, during the second half of the last Derby.

It was there I discovered that Élie is the same name as Elijah.

I thought, "Wow!"

[Jim44]

He’s been on the pitch against Celtic since he was on the bench against Hearts.

I forgot about that. So he picked up another injury as a late sub in that game?

[B.H.F.C]

I forgot about that. So he picked up another injury as a late sub in that game?

Or during the week. Has anyone confirmed he’s actually injured? Was never mentioned in the team news pre match.

[oneone73]

Or during the week. Has anyone confirmed he’s actually injured? Was never mentioned in the team news pre match.

It was. It was on the Hibs website.

[Waxy]

There wouldn’t be too much wrong with him if this thread hadnt appeared.

[Colr]

Something has to be explained. A toe injury since Boxing Day? Nah, that doesn't sound right.

Is he training?

[Golden Bear]

Who's Youan?

[Centre Hawf]

Who's Youan?

Someone who apparently is always in contention for the weekend but never quite makes it each time.

[Northernhibee]

Up in the West upper today.

[PatHead]

Up in the West upper today.

Saw that as well. Never reacted at all when Hibs scored.

[Aldo]

I don’t really care anymore.

Wish him well and all the best but I trust SDG on this matter.

[Pretty Boy]

He's not going to feature again this season. Time to let it go with him whether you are a critic or a fan.

He gave us some great memories, we aren't really missing him right now, he'll move on and life will move on. Better players than him have come and gone before and we've survived.

[Northernhibee]

Saw that as well. Never reacted at all when Hibs scored.

I was right behind him, he was applauding the goals.

[Libby Hibby]

Can someone ask him where he wants to go? I have a full tank of petrol and will happily drive him there.

[Wilson]

He's not going to feature again this season. Time to let it go with him whether you are a critic or a fan.

He gave us some great memories, we aren't really missing him right now, he'll move on and life will move on. Better players than him have come and gone before and we've survived.

I'm a fan. He gave us some good moments. I agree with you though. Forget him and support the players that are doing a fantastic job and achieving for hibs.

If he is out for anything other than a persistent injury then it would be his loss. This is a very good team to be part of.

[hibsbollah]

He's not going to feature again this season. Time to let it go with him whether you are a critic or a fan.

He gave us some great memories, we aren't really missing him right now, he'll move on and life will move on. Better players than him have come and gone before and we've survived.

Im a fan of him, and agree with you completely.

[Bostonhibby]

Im a fan of him, and agree with you completely.Same here, don't see the point of disrupting this team and style too much between now and his move.

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[Hibs4185]

Seems to me that squad harmony is much better without him and there is no chance that will be disrupted no matter how many injuries we have.

Will probably habe to accept a smaller fee in the summer but the upside is possibly finishing third

[JohnM1875]

I don’t really care anymore.

Wish him well and all the best but I trust SDG on this matter.

Same, at this point, who honestly cares?

[ian cruise]

It's a bit daft how much grief Youan gets. Most were convinced the injury was fake so he could get a move in Jan with the "watch as his mysterious injury disappears when the window closes" chat. He didn't move, the injury persists and still people are keen to get a wee dig in and chose to believe he's faking it (when he has no reason to fake it).

We're not missing him, which is great news, but equally he's given us plenty good memories during his time. Just a shame there weren't a few more but he's nowhere near the only player who's form dipped working under our previous management regimes.

[Unseen work]

Seems to me that squad harmony is much better without him and there is no chance that will be disrupted no matter how many injuries we have.

Will probably habe to accept a smaller fee in the summer but the upside is possibly finishing third

Think that’s unfair.

He played a big part when fit and seemed to fit right in with the spirit when he played

[The Spaceman]

Think people are re-writing history a bit for Youan. He’s out injured and has contributed a lot in his time with us. You only need to watch him in the celebratory aftermath of both Hearts games, Celtic game etc to see how much he loves it. He’s just a chilled-out dude.

[silverhibee]

He's not going to feature again this season. Time to let it go with him whether you are a critic or a fan.

He gave us some great memories, we aren't really missing him right now, he'll move on and life will move on. Better players than him have come and gone before and we've survived.

That’s it PB, but some of the comments on this thread have been nasty when folk don’t know what the problem is, he may just be struggling with injuries, it happens, or there might be something else we don’t know about, this constant slagging him off is not the best look though, where is the vitriol for Newell or JDH when he was here, these guys get an easy time while others get crucified.

[silverhibee]

I'm a fan. He gave us some good moments. I agree with you though. Forget him and support the players that are doing a fantastic job and achieving for hibs.

If he is out for anything other than a persistent injury then it would be his loss. This is a very good team to be part of.

Footballers want to play football, if Ellie was fit then I’m sure he would want to be part of this winning team and I think he would excel in it, Gray is either not liking him or he is injured, I will go with injury.

[Coco Bryce]

Footballers want to play football, if Ellie was fit then I’m sure he would want to be part of this winning team and I think he would excel in it, Gray is either not liking him or he is injured, I will go with injury.

I'll go with we don't need him.

We are more than capable of scoring goals without him in the team now.

[Brooster]

Think people are re-writing history a bit for Youan. He’s out injured and has contributed a lot in his time with us. You only need to watch him in the celebratory aftermath of both Hearts games, Celtic game etc to see how much he loves it. He’s just a chilled-out dude.

What injury does he have?

[Nicho87]

Wish he well when he inevitably moves on.

Won’t feature for hibs again this season now clearly

[Stevie Reid]

The most frustrating thing with Youan is - given how much SDG and the coaching staff have improved players who had previously offered much less than him - I can’t help but think we could have made him a really special player.

But agree with the comments that he’s likely done for this season at least.

[Tha Cabbage Kid]

when is his contract up?

[JGS56]

when is his contract up?

2026

[Tha Cabbage Kid]

who knows then. Ellie might just stay.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Do we know yet what the story is with Youan?

Would have been great as an option at least for the run in. Looks like it’s never going to happen though. What a waste of talent.

[TrinityHFC]

Do we know yet what the story is with Youan?

Would have been great as an option at least for the run in. Looks like it’s never going to happen though. What a waste of talent.

Are you suggesting he is wasting his talent?

Do you feel that way about every injured player?

[Lago]

Are you suggesting he is wasting his talent?

Do you feel that way about every injured player?
The manager has studiously avoided giving any up date on his "lnjury" so is he still injured?

[HFC93]

It's very odd that we don't get many Youan injury updates and when we do they are very vague.

[Thatdayinmay16]

Not really fussed, we're better without him.

[Ribs1875]

He's needing moved on in the summer. Fantastic player on his day, but achieved all he can with us.

[Donegal Hibby]

Not really fussed, we're better without him.

I am in I’d like to see him back as he’s a really talented player that would give us another very good option upfront .

[Jim44]

Not really fussed, we're better without him.

I agree. While a fit, in a good place, Youan, would have been an asset to have over the past few months, we have done really well without him and he will probably move on for a mediocre fee at the end of the season. I might be wrong here, but I think that, putting the fantastic job he’s done aside, the playing down of Youan’s absence is the only questionable issue I presently have with David Gray.

[JohnM1875]

I agree. While a fit, in a good place, Youan, would have been an asset to have over the past few months, we have done really well without him and he will probably move on for a mediocre fee at the end of the season. I might be wrong here, but I think that, putting the fantastic job he’s done aside, the playing down of Youan’s absence is the only questionable issue I presently have with David Gray.

I don't think there's much more Gray can do.

We’ll be looking to get as much as we can for him this summer, so can't really keep talking about him being injured or not wanting to play as some folk have suggested online.

[Thatdayinmay16]

I don't think there's much more Gray can do.

We’ll be looking to get as much as we can for him this summer, so can't really keep talking about him being injured or not wanting to play as some folk have suggested online.

If he doesn't want to play then realistically the club should say that is the case I think. If that is the case, relegate him to playing with the young laddies and move him on first thing in the summer.

[JohnM1875]

If he doesn't want to play then realistically the club should say that is the case I think. If that is the case, relegate him to playing with the young laddies and move him on first thing in the summer.

Then we’ll get next to nothing for him this summer. I don't actually think he doesn't want to play, just seen folk mention it online.

[Thatdayinmay16]

Then we’ll get next to nothing for him this summer. I don't actually think he doesn't want to play, just seen folk mention it online.

Is what it is, I don't think we'll make next to nothing for him, with a year left on his deal, we'll still make a million I reckon. Best both him and hibs move on from each other.

[Centre Hawf]

I am in I’d like to see him back as he’s a really talented player that would give us another very good option upfront .

I normally would say the same as you DH. I think on his day he's the best player at the club really. But sadly for quite a while now his days are too infrequent. I think he's had some harsh critics at times while here that maybe hasn't helped the relationship between himself and the club, but likewise I don't think at times he's really helped himself either.

Right now with 5 games to go my view on it is that Youan hasn't played any meaningful football now since Boxing Day (bar a tiny cameo at Celtic Park) and as a result I would rather now not bother upsetting something that is working perfectly well to force him back into the squad. We have Bowie, Boyle, Myko, and Gayle to occupy the 2 slots up top and all four have earned their right to keep in the hunt for starts or sub appearances at the very least.

I think we've seen the last of Elie Youan personally and it's a shame that his time here won't be remembered as well as it probably should have been for the quality he has.

[Shrekko]

That’s it PB, but some of the comments on this thread have been nasty when folk don’t know what the problem is, he may just be struggling with injuries, it happens, or there might be something else we don’t know about, this constant slagging him off is not the best look though, where is the vitriol for Newell or JDH when he was here, these guys get an easy time while others get crucified.

Don't think even his many detractors would ever question Newell's commitment to the club, and JDH got plenty of stick for being out injured. If you're looking for examples of players who get/got an easy time from Hibs fans, you've not picked the best examples.

[Jock O]

I agree. While a fit, in a good place, Youan, would have been an asset to have over the past few months, we have done really well without him and he will probably move on for a mediocre fee at the end of the season. I might be wrong here, but I think that, putting the fantastic job he’s done aside, the playing down of Youan’s absence is the only questionable issue I presently have with David Gray.

He gave an update prior to last game did he not? I mentioned it on here, brief but another setback so not available for weekend type update. He has referred to it being frustrating on a couple of occasions, so he is maybe now just thinking nothing he can do so get on with it.

Just checked and it was the day of the Rangers game, so just over 2 weeks ago

[He's here!]

Then we’ll get next to nothing for him this summer. I don't actually think he doesn't want to play, just seen folk mention it online.

If he wants to play but isn't getting in the squad then either Gray doesn't rate him or he's genuinely carrying a long-term unidentified injury. Which is it?

If he's been injured all this time and there's still no sign of him returning won't that also limit interest from other clubs?

[SickBoy32]

I might be wrong here, but I think that, putting the fantastic job he’s done aside, the playing down of Youan’s absence is the only questionable issue I presently have with David Gray.

Not much the manager can really do with a blatant non trier - without stating this publicly, and decimating any remaining transfer value he has. The way he dances round the subject in interviews etc tells a story.

Agree with others that we’re better without him anyway, away an don’t let the door hit you on the way out Elie 👍

[TrinityHFC]

Not much the manager can really do with a blatant non trier - without stating this publicly, and decimating any remaining transfer value he has. The way he dances round the subject in interviews etc tells a story.

Agree with others that we’re better without him anyway, away an don’t let the door hit you on the way out Elie 👍

Complete nonsense.

He's never given anyone any reason to question to his commitment. It has all been fed by stuff said on here with absolutely nothing behind it.

I'm sure people have their reasons why he is a target for them.

[Billy Bunter 07]

I don't think there's much more Gray can do.

We’ll be looking to get as much as we can for him this summer, so can't really keep talking about him being injured or not wanting to play as some folk have suggested online.

Willnae be much which is pretty rubbish.

[Billy Bunter 07]

Complete nonsense.

He's never given anyone any reason to question to his commitment. It has all been fed by stuff said on here with absolutely nothing behind it.

I'm sure people have their reasons why he is a target for them.

He was on twitter saying he wouldn't be back last summer and didn't want to return so it's not nonsense.

[TrinityHFC]

He gave an update prior to last game did he not? I mentioned it on here, brief but another setback so not available for weekend type update. He has referred to it being frustrating on a couple of occasions, so he is maybe now just thinking nothing he can do so get on with it.

Just checked and it was the day of the Rangers game, so just over 2 weeks ago

This was last week, but perhaps David Gray is a liar?

Despite appearing to be on the brink of a comeback more than once, the 26-year-old has repeatedly broken down at the vital moment.
Gray, asked if fans should expect to see Youan during the five-game sprint to secure third place in the league, said: “He’s had a couple of setbacks along the way. But one thing Elie always does is he always works incredibly hard.


“So it's not as if he ever deconditions, as in worrying about him putting on loads of weight or anything like that. He's very professional, very diligent in what he does.


“So he's a huge threat if he can get him back to the levels where he needs to be, and a good asset to have. But he's still a bit behind where he needs to be.

[TrinityHFC]

He was on twitter saying he wouldn't be back last summer and didn't want to return so it's not nonsense.

Do you have those quotes? I know people were reading an awful lot into nothing at times on his social media. Would be good to see what he said and in what context.

[SickBoy32]

Complete nonsense.

He's never given anyone any reason to question to his commitment. It has all been fed by stuff said on here with absolutely nothing behind it.

I'm sure people have their reasons why he is a target for them.

It’s really not nonsense, but keep banging that drum if you want.

As for your last point… say what you really mean eh.

IMO in his time with the club, the guy has certainly been subject to unfair (and horrible) abuse at times.

However, his behaviour and conduct has (on numerous occasions) fell below a professional standard. Having a go at fans in stadiums, cryptic nonsense on his social media posts, mouthing off to anyway that would listen for the past X years that he canny wait to leave Hibs etc etc.

As a TEAM we’ve improved in his absence, hopefully we can carry that improvement into next season too, when we can put his wage to use and get a new winger.

[TrinityHFC]

It’s really not nonsense, but keep banging that drum if you want.

As for your last point… say what you really mean eh.

IMO in his time with the club, the guy has certainly been subject to unfair (and horrible) abuse at times.

However, his behaviour and conduct has (on numerous occasions) fell below a professional standard. Having a go at fans in stadiums, cryptic nonsense on his social media posts, mouthing off to anyway that would listen for the past X years that he canny wait to leave Hibs etc etc.

As a TEAM we’ve improved in his absence, hopefully we can carry that improvement into next season too, when we can put his wage to use and get a new winger.

Did you see the Gray quote from just last week above?

Diligent, professional and hard working all used, whilst confirming he is still suffering from set backs from his injury.

But you bash on with the overwhelming evidence you've gleamed from his social media...

I think I'll take Gray's word on this one. I also know first hand what his team mates think of him.

[Donegal Hibby]

I normally would say the same as you DH. I think on his day he's the best player at the club really. But sadly for quite a while now his days are too infrequent. I think he's had some harsh critics at times while here that maybe hasn't helped the relationship between himself and the club, but likewise I don't think at times he's really helped himself either.

Right now with 5 games to go my view on it is that Youan hasn't played any meaningful football now since Boxing Day (bar a tiny cameo at Celtic Park) and as a result I would rather now not bother upsetting something that is working perfectly well to force him back into the squad. We have Bowie, Boyle, Myko, and Gayle to occupy the 2 slots up top and all four have earned their right to keep in the hunt for starts or sub appearances at the very least.

I think we've seen the last of Elie Youan personally and it's a shame that his time here won't be remembered as well as it probably should have been for the quality he has.

On his day he is our best player, he’s proven it last season . I would suspect with his contract situation there’s every chance he will be away in the summer though I don’t buy into all the conspiracy theories about him like he’s refusing to play or faking injury etc especially with what Gray's been saying .

The teams done well , really well but I don’t agree with the other poster in we haven’t missed him because if we had him and Newell back even if they can’t get into the team they would at the least give us some excellent options from the bench .

[Kato]

This was last week, but perhaps David Gray is a liar?



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[TrinityHFC]

Blimey

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Exactly. This is what people are implying isn't it? That Youan is in fact at it and that Gray is lying to us about the situation and about Youan's behaviours and character? which he has been very consistent about.

[DaveF]

Did you see the Gray quote from just last week above?

Diligent, professional and hard working all used, whilst confirming he is still suffering from set backs from his injury.

But you bash on with the overwhelming evidence you've gleamed from his social media...

I think I'll take Gray's word on this one. I also know first hand what his team mates think of him.

Gray is giving the expected sound bites. He is hardly going to call him out as a work shy, lazy arsed layabout is he 😂

Youan is well and truly yesterdays news as far as we are concerned. He won't play again and will off somewhere else in the summer to the benefit of both parties.

[hibsbollah]

Jeezo so everything in the garden is rosy? So its the ‘wonder whats up with Elie’ thread resurrected again. I could understand it if we were missing his goals but we’re just not. My guess its an illness or health issue that its in both parties interest to be kept between the parties concerned. Im just not that curious now.

[Donegal Hibby]

Amazing even though things are going well and we are on an incredible run there’s still some that feel they need to put the boot into a player in finding a scapegoat , why ? I don’t know! But we have seen it before and still lessons haven’t been learnt from it in remember it was said that ….

Boyles finished ? ..

Rock ? …

Triantis ? ..

Chris Cadden ? ..

Miller ? …………

Youan … work shy , layabout , faking injury ……. To be continued.

[Alfred E Newman]

Amazing even though things are going well and we are on an incredible run there’s still some that feel they need to put the boot into a player in finding a scapegoat , why ? I don’t know! But we have seen it before and still lessons haven’t been learnt from it in remember it was said that ….

Boyles finished ? ..

Rock ? …

Triantis ? ..

Chris Cadden ? ..

Miller ? …………

Youan … work shy , layabout , faking injury ……. To be continued.

Hearts have seemingly sold more season tickets as well. What a bloody shambles.

[Hibspur]

On his day he is our best player, he’s proven it last season . I would suspect with his contract situation there’s every chance he will be away in the summer though I don’t buy into all the conspiracy theories about him like he’s refusing to play or faking injury etc especially with what Gray's been saying .

The teams done well , really well but I don’t agree with the other poster in we haven’t missed him because if we had him and Newell back even if they can’t get into the team they would at the least give us some excellent options from the bench .

Arguable when you see how many players who failed to shine last season have really stepped up to the mark under Gray.

I'd agree he's a very talented player on his day though, with the ability to conjure up something a bit special.

As a team, though, we've hit on something which has worked very well and Youan's absence isn't the problem it once would have been.

[Hibspur]

This was last week, but perhaps David Gray is a liar?

Despite appearing to be on the brink of a comeback more than once, the 26-year-old has repeatedly broken down at the vital moment.
Gray, asked if fans should expect to see Youan during the five-game sprint to secure third place in the league, said: “He’s had a couple of setbacks along the way. But one thing Elie always does is he always works incredibly hard.


“So it's not as if he ever deconditions, as in worrying about him putting on loads of weight or anything like that. He's very professional, very diligent in what he does.


“So he's a huge threat if he can get him back to the levels where he needs to be, and a good asset to have. But he's still a bit behind where he needs to be.

I missed that from Gray. Did he make clear what the issue is? It's the lack of info around that which is probably what prompts fans to question his motivation.

Of course, it could be something we know nothing about, a deeper health issue like Scott Allan or Harry McKirdy, in which case respect, rather than speculation, would be in order.

[Centre Hawf]

This was last week, but perhaps David Gray is a liar?

Despite appearing to be on the brink of a comeback more than once, the 26-year-old has repeatedly broken down at the vital moment.
Gray, asked if fans should expect to see Youan during the five-game sprint to secure third place in the league, said: “He’s had a couple of setbacks along the way. But one thing Elie always does is he always works incredibly hard.


“So it's not as if he ever deconditions, as in worrying about him putting on loads of weight or anything like that. He's very professional, very diligent in what he does.


“So he's a huge threat if he can get him back to the levels where he needs to be, and a good asset to have. But he's still a bit behind where he needs to be.

Dave Gray isn't going to come out and say something like "He downed tools wanting to leave in January so i'm done with him and we'll see him leave in the summer" if that was the case though is he?

[andrew70]

It’s really not nonsense, but keep banging that drum if you want.

As for your last point… say what you really mean eh.

IMO in his time with the club, the guy has certainly been subject to unfair (and horrible) abuse at times.

However, his behaviour and conduct has (on numerous occasions) fell below a professional standard. Having a go at fans in stadiums, cryptic nonsense on his social media posts, mouthing off to anyway that would listen for the past X years that he canny wait to leave Hibs etc etc.

As a TEAM we’ve improved in his absence, hopefully we can carry that improvement into next season too, when we can put his wage to use and get a new winger.

It absolutely is nonsense.

Quality player, who has deserved a lot more respect in his time at the club, right from the top.

I hope whatever happens he goes on to have a great career.

As for your last point, he was instrumental in our last win in Aberdeen for example, he would have undoubtedly continued to help the team improve individually and as a unit.

Good luck to Elie, hopefully he has a big part to play between now and Mid May.

[lyonhibs]

Not much the manager can really do with a blatant non trier - without stating this publicly, and decimating any remaining transfer value he has. The way he dances round the subject in interviews etc tells a story.

Agree with others that we’re better without him anyway, away an don’t let the door hit you on the way out Elie 👍

Interested to know your evidence, being internet hearsay, that he's a "blatant non trier"??

[500miles]

If Elie doesn't play between now and the end of the season, it looks suspect. DG will talk him up to protect our investment, but he indicated his willingness to just not bother playing for us in DMs to fans last season.

He either has a bad attitude or has been very unlucky that his undetectable injury has come at the same time he is attracting transfer interest after expressing a pretty brazen desire to leave.

[Donegal Hibby]

Dave Gray isn't going to come out and say something like "He downed tools wanting to leave in January so i'm done with him and we'll see him leave in the summer" if that was the case though is he?

I don’t think Gray would do that either but at the same time if there are issues with the player in his attitude / not wanting to play I don’t think we’d be seeing a manager that has defended and praised him either . Simple truth is we don’t know what the story is with Youan other than what Gray and the club are saying in he’s had a few set backs with this injury much the same as Joe Newell has had with his injury recently too .

[flash]

If Elie doesn't play between now and the end of the season, it looks suspect. DG will talk him up to protect our investment, but he indicated his willingness to just not bother playing for us in DMs to fans last season.

He either has a bad attitude or has been very unlucky that his undetectable injury has come at the same time he is attracting transfer interest after expressing a pretty brazen desire to leave.

Here's where I struggle.

What benefit in any way whatsoever would he get from not playing for months?

It doesn't make any sense to me.

[Hibernian Verse]

If Elie doesn't play between now and the end of the season, it looks suspect. DG will talk him up to protect our investment, but he indicated his willingness to just not bother playing for us in DMs to fans last season.

He either has a bad attitude or has been very unlucky that his undetectable injury has come at the same time he is attracting transfer interest after expressing a pretty brazen desire to leave.

What transfer interest has he been subject of?

[Centre Hawf]

I don’t think Gray would do that either but at the same time if there are issues with the player in his attitude / not wanting to play I don’t think we’d be seeing a manager that has defended and praised him either . Simple truth is we don’t know what the story is with Youan other than what Gray and the club are saying in he’s had a few set backs with this injury much the same as Joe Newell has had with his injury recently too .

You're right, we don't know what the story is with Youan. We can all only come to our own conclusions on what we've got in front of us. I don't think it's farfetched or outrageous for people to doubt the legitimacy of this injury period in it's entirety though.

As others have said he could easily be just trying to protect the clubs investment by not dragging him through the mud. If everyone has agreed they're moving on in the summer then there's no point in Dave Gray questioning his work rate or effort in public when we're probably wanting to command 7 figure fees for him in 2 months time.

I think the reason many have now just chucked it with him in this period in comparison to say Joe Newell is that there hasn't been evidence of Joe complaining about being at the club or drama going into transfer windows. It's all gotten a bit silly sadly in the last 12 months or so and I don't think it's unfair that some fans are tired of it. As I've said before I love Elie when he's playing and doing well, one of my favourite players in recent years, but I think this last 5 months or so has shown that we're probably fine to shake hands and move on respectfully.

[B.H.F.C]

It absolutely is nonsense.

Quality player, who has deserved a lot more respect in his time at the club, right from the top.

I hope whatever happens he goes on to have a great career.

As for your last point, he was instrumental in our last win in Aberdeen for example, he would have undoubtedly continued to help the team improve individually and as a unit.

Good luck to Elie, hopefully he has a big part to play between now and Mid May.

I’d be astounded if he has any part to play between now and the middle of May.

[500miles]

Here's where I struggle.

What benefit in any way whatsoever would he get from not playing for months?

It doesn't make any sense to me.

He got injured at the start of the season. Could be as straightforward as trying to avoid another.

The messages he sent out at the start of the season make suspicion warrented I'm afraid.

[Speedy]

I missed that from Gray. Did he make clear what the issue is? It's the lack of info around that which is probably what prompts fans to question his motivation.

Of course, it could be something we know nothing about, a deeper health issue like Scott Allan or Harry McKirdy, in which case respect, rather than speculation, would be in order.

Some sort of health issues rather than a typical footballing injury seems the most likely explanation given the lack of detail in Gray's updates.

End of the day though, the club is in good hands at the moment so they'll be dealing with whatever it is in the best interests of the club and the player.

[theonlywayisup]

It absolutely is nonsense.

Quality player, who has deserved a lot more respect in his time at the club, right from the top.

I hope whatever happens he goes on to have a great career.

As for your last point, he was instrumental in our last win in Aberdeen for example, he would have undoubtedly continued to help the team improve individually and as a unit.

Good luck to Elie, hopefully he has a big part to play between now and Mid May.

Yes, but whilst I agree, Youan can also be a liability. In the aforementioned Aberdeen game not long after we went 3-1 up and Aberdeen were pressing to get back into the game we broke away at least two times with the ball played up to Youan. Instead of beating his last man with pace or passing to IIRC Boyle, he slowed play up and eventually lost the ball on the edge of their box resulting in Aberdeen breaking forward as by that time we had over-committed in the forward areas. Whilst he is obviously an exceptional talent (for the SPFL), his decision-making and workrate is suspect at times. That said, he was very good in the Derby, which may be his last league game for Hibernian FC.

I don't think we'll see much of him before the season, and I fully expect he'll be away in the summer.

[TrinityHFC]

So, ignore the direct quotes from the manager, which have been very consistent on him being injured, professional and hard working. Write that off as fluff, despite Gray having no previous background in producing fluff.

Lean heavily instead on conjecture and reading too much into social media posts as a better source of truth.

Strange approach.

[Gmack7]

Are we expecting an update on Youan and Newall today?

[500miles]

Lean heavily instead on conjecture and reading too much into social media posts as a better source of truth.

Strange approach.

He told a fan that he would play for Hibs again "in your dreams".

That's not reading too much in to a social media post, that's what he actually said. He fully intended to never play for us again.

Elie got treated horrendously in some quarters, but he still comes across very badly.

[jeffers]

What transfer interest has he been subject of?

He was away in January if he hadn’t failed his medical.

[Hibernian Verse]

He was away in January if he hadn’t failed his medical.

Any idea which club?

[Hibernian Verse]

He told a fan that he would play for Hibs again "in your dreams".

That's not reading too much in to a social media post, that's what he actually said. He fully intended to never play for us again.

Elie got treated horrendously in some quarters, but he still comes across very badly.

Have you never said something you didn’t mean in the heat of the moment?

[jeffers]

Any idea which club?

I was told at the time, but my memory is getting worse.

[Tambo]

I was really hoping he would kick on in the second half of the season, can understand the frustration from some fans regarding social media posts etc

We've done really well without him and I'm sure he'll get a move in the summer even if at a smaller fee than we maybe have hoped.

[Hibernian Verse]

I was told at the time, but my memory is getting worse.

Feel like it was Stoke come to think of it

[500miles]

Have you never said something you didn’t mean in the heat of the moment?

So we've moved on from "reading too much into it" to "he didn't actually mean it".

He had the all clear at the end of January after his injection.

Put the two together, it's suspect and it's not unreasonable to point that out.

[Hibernian Verse]

So we've moved on from "reading too much into it" to "he didn't actually mean it".

He had the all clear at the end of January after his injection.

Put the two together, it's suspect and it's not unreasonable to point that out.

I’m not the other poster you’re referring to.

I’ll take that as a yes you have said things you didn’t mean.

[Hibernian Verse]

So we've moved on from "reading too much into it" to "he didn't actually mean it".

He had the all clear at the end of January after his injection.

Put the two together, it's suspect and it's not unreasonable to point that out.

Just re your middle bit, he played against Celtic in March. It’s possible his injury flared up again after that.

If it was his attitude that was the problem Gray wouldn’t have played him since January.

[jeffers]

Feel like it was Stoke come to think of it

That’s who I was thinking, but wasn’t sure if it was definitely them in January or I’m getting mixed up with a previous window.

[Donegal Hibby]

You're right, we don't know what the story is with Youan. We can all only come to our own conclusions on what we've got in front of us. I don't think it's farfetched or outrageous for people to doubt the legitimacy of this injury period in it's entirety though.

As others have said he could easily be just trying to protect the clubs investment by not dragging him through the mud. If everyone has agreed they're moving on in the summer then there's no point in Dave Gray questioning his work rate or effort in public when we're probably wanting to command 7 figure fees for him in 2 months time.

I think the reason many have now just chucked it with him in this period in comparison to say Joe Newell is that there hasn't been evidence of Joe complaining about being at the club or drama going into transfer windows. It's all gotten a bit silly sadly in the last 12 months or so and I don't think it's unfair that some fans are tired of it. As I've said before I love Elie when he's playing and doing well, one of my favourite players in recent years, but I think this last 5 months or so has shown that we're probably fine to shake hands and move on respectfully.

Sometimes our own conclusions as fans can be well wide of the mark though ( including my own) in the likes of Rocky being no good , Boyle finished etc , even when we signed Smith , Iredale and Cadden I wasn’t exactly overly excited about them and thought at the time they’d be alright squad players .. how wrong was I btw? …

Some are saying Youan is wanting to move ! I think that’s generally what most players want to do in its a short career….

From a Youan point of view what’s to be gained by him faking an injury in a transfer window or even two for that matter or refusing to play for the club . We’ve heard from Gray / MM how we would only bring players that were of the right character to the club so I presume other clubs do their homework before signing players as well which shows again Youan has nothing to gain by downing tools and in fact it potentially could do him more damage than good if it was the case …

I think at times we have seen a overreaction to Youan in like the keepie uppies were he was called out by some in the media and some fans even though the manager came out and said he had absolutely no issues with it . Before his injury there didn’t seem to be any signs of him having a bad attitude and in fact it looked like he was very much showing the same spirit as his teammates in milking it at Tiny with the corner flag ..

Unless something comes out that’s actually concrete rather than hearsay/ rumour on the player I think I’ll give him the benefit of the of doubt in he is actually injured and had a few setbacks…

Great player on his day btw .

[Centre Hawf]

Sometimes our own conclusions as fans can be well wide of the mark though ( including my own) in the likes of Rocky being no good , Boyle finished etc , even when we signed Smith , Iredale and Cadden I wasn’t exactly overly excited about them and thought at the time they’d be alright squad players .. how wrong was I btw? …

Some are saying Youan is wanting to move ! I think that’s generally what most players want to do in its a short career….

From a Youan point of view what’s to be gained by him faking an injury in a transfer window or even two for that matter or refusing to play for the club . We’ve heard from Gray / MM how we would only bring players that were of the right character to the club so I presume other clubs do their homework before signing players as well which shows again Youan has nothing to gain by downing tools and in fact it potentially could do him more damage than good if it was the case …

I think at times we have seen a overreaction to Youan in like the keepie uppies were he was called out by some in the media and some fans even though the manager came out and said he had absolutely no issues with it . Before his injury there didn’t seem to be any signs of him having a bad attitude and in fact it looked like he was very much showing the same spirit as his teammates in milking it at Tiny with the corner flag ..

Unless something comes out that’s actually concrete rather than hearsay/ rumour on the player I think I’ll give him the benefit of the of doubt in he is actually injured and had a few setbacks…

Great player on his day btw .

Definitely, we get it wrong all the time. You were bang on early this season about Triantis having something and I didn't see a single positive in him coming back for example so i'll admit even i've gotten things wrong in the past.

I think the issue isn't him wanting to go play at a higher level, it's healthy to have a number of lads that believe they can make a step up when their performance levels justify it, it keeps the club pushing up the table and competing. The problem is when lads begin to believe they're owed to walk out the door at East Mains at any time without it also working for Hibs, that's when the goodwill can dry up. John McGinn never throw his toys out the pram he just waited until it was time. Dylan McGeouch, despite running his contract down, played to the final minute in the form of his life. Efe Ambrose was still our best player for weeks despite knowing he would exercise the clause in his contract to leave for nothing. Then you get someone like Flo Kamberi who burned all the goodwill the second he gave his welcome to Hunbrox interview.

There is just a way to go about these things and I'm not sure I can hand on heart say I think Elie Youan is currently entitled to the benefit of doubts from all Hibs supporters in recent times, that's not to say yourself or Trinity are wrong for giving him it, but those who don't buy into the injury line haven't exactly just picked on the guy for picking on him sake either.

[Billy Bunter 07]

Sometimes our own conclusions as fans can be well wide of the mark though ( including my own) in the likes of Rocky being no good , Boyle finished etc , even when we signed Smith , Iredale and Cadden I wasn’t exactly overly excited about them and thought at the time they’d be alright squad players .. how wrong was I btw? …

Some are saying Youan is wanting to move ! I think that’s generally what most players want to do in its a short career….

From a Youan point of view what’s to be gained by him faking an injury in a transfer window or even two for that matter or refusing to play for the club . We’ve heard from Gray / MM how we would only bring players that were of the right character to the club so I presume other clubs do their homework before signing players as well which shows again Youan has nothing to gain by downing tools and in fact it potentially could do him more damage than good if it was the case …

I think at times we have seen a overreaction to Youan in like the keepie uppies were he was called out by some in the media and some fans even though the manager came out and said he had absolutely no issues with it . Before his injury there didn’t seem to be any signs of him having a bad attitude and in fact it looked like he was very much showing the same spirit as his teammates in milking it at Tiny with the corner flag ..

Unless something comes out that’s actually concrete rather than hearsay/ rumour on the player I think I’ll give him the benefit of the of doubt in he is actually injured and had a few setbacks…

Great player on his day btw .

When was that? He's been crap for 18 months at least now. Faking injury or not, attitude or not, he's been rank and we are not missing him. Due to that he won't get as big a club as his potential should have got him and we will get peanuts for a guy we have invested heavily in.

Lets not make out the whole episode hasn't been sorry for the club, the support and the player himself.

[Centre Hawf]

When was that? He's been crap for 18 months at least now. Faking injury or not, attitude or not, he's been rank and we are not missing him. Due to that he won't get as big a club as his potential should have got him and we will get peanuts for a guy we have invested heavily in.

Lets not make out the whole episode hasn't been sorry for the club, the support and the player himself.

I don't think he's been poor for the entirety of the last 18 months to be fair. He was decent in our win against Ross County and away to Aberdeen that helped us start this run. Even this time last year he had occasionally popped up with a couple goals or assists to win us a game. The problem is he can't string those games together into larger run of games. Which is probably something he hasn't really done since he signed permanently really.

[itslegaltender]

If we can get a million plus for him I will be frankly amazed another club is willing to pay that for him. Attitude is stinking.

[Billy Bunter 07]

I don't think he's been poor for the entirety of the last 18 months to be fair. He was decent in our win against Ross County and away to Aberdeen that helped us start this run. Even this time last year he had occasionally popped up with a couple goals or assists to win us a game. The problem is he can't string those games together into larger run of games. Which is probably something he hasn't really done since he signed permanently really.

He's not been brilliant in any game for almost two years, being decent isn't quite being a great player, he's been piss poor the majority of times. That is the most frustrating part as we can all see a player in there if he got his **** together. Probably why he's the centre of attention more than others because it's extremely disappointing.

[Donegal Hibby]

When was that? He's been crap for 18 months at least now. Faking injury or not, attitude or not, he's been rank and we are not missing him. Due to that he won't get as big a club as his potential should have got him and we will get peanuts for a guy we have invested heavily in.

Lets not make out the whole episode hasn't been sorry for the club, the support and the player himself.


He's not been brilliant in any game for almost two years, being decent isn't quite being a great player, he's been piss poor the majority of times. That is the most frustrating part as we can all see a player in there if he got his **** together. Probably why he's the centre of attention more than others because it's extremely disappointing.

We aren’t missing him as the team is doing really well but as an option to bring on or in challenging another player (keeping them on their toes) I think we have missed him . I honestly think it’s nonsense to say we don’t miss a injured player because we are far stronger with a full ,healthy squad that gives the manager more options to choose from rather than not having them …

Stoke and Blackburn were apparently interested in him recently so saying he won’t get as big as a club as his potentially should get him is another case of ‘ jumping to conclusions ‘ … nobody knows one way or the other.

You mention he’s not been brilliant in any game for two years , has the team in general been brilliant in that time ? It seems to me we have either been very inconsistent or worse struggling …

He is at the centre of attention now but before that it was Rocky and Campbell , Boyle too , it seems that it has to be someone that gets it with some even when things are going well . Unfortunately some of it is away OTT in like what happened to Campbell in the gym , Youan getting racially abused , Rocky asking why the fans don’t like him . I’m not surprised players like Youan and possibly Rocky will/ might want to move with some of the treatment they get ! ….

Btw , not two years ago ….

https://youtu.be/dQUPEqQh56o?si=YTp0vIbHLhBnkEj_

[Billy Bunter 07]

We aren’t missing him as the team is doing really well but as an option to bring on or in challenging another player (keeping them on their toes) I think we have missed him . I honestly think it’s nonsense to say we don’t miss a injured player because we are far stronger with a full ,healthy squad that gives the manager more options to choose from rather than not having them …

Stoke and Blackburn were apparently interested in him recently so saying he won’t get as big as a club as his potentially should get him is another case of ‘ jumping to conclusions ‘ … nobody knows one way or the other.

You mention he’s not been brilliant in any game for two years , has the team in general been brilliant in that time ? It seems to me we have either been very inconsistent or worse struggling …

He is at the centre of attention now but before that it was Rocky and Campbell , Boyle too , it seems that it has to be someone that gets it with some even when things are going well . Unfortunately some of it is away OTT in like what happened to Campbell in the gym , Youan getting racially abused , Rocky asking why the fans don’t like him . I’m not surprised players like Youan and possibly Rocky will/ might want to move with some of the treatment they get ! ….

Btw , not two years ago ….

https://youtu.be/dQUPEqQh56o?si=YTp0vIbHLhBnkEj_

We haven't missed him, there's no argument but yet here you are arguing we are missing a player that has done nothing when available for 18 months.

Stoke and Blackburn are both ****holes doing absolutely nothing in England. A player with his talent should be getting bigger and better clubs than Stoke ffs.

Yes, he's not been brilliant. The team haven't been no, but he's been a part of that team, he's been mainly rubbish. Even this season when we have been really good he's been crap.

He's at the centre of attention because he's a player who should be making us millions, contributing to the team in a much more positive manner than he has. Any other reason is complete guesswork by you. You said he was a great player, your words, when was this great player on his day? Years back. What's the reason for that? Guaranteed you blame the support, the weather, anything really bar the player himself.

That's right, poor players and our support is terrible giving them grief. Its a surprise you support such a club. Oh, wait. :confused:

Fact of the matter is we have a player on our hands that should be making the club a considerable more amount of money than he will when he leaves after contributing a lot less on the pitch than anticipated by the majority of the support when he signed on a permanent deal. That's why some supporters thoughts range from very unhappy to now "meh" when it comes to Youan. Sip to do with race or whatever other ***** you want to try and bring into it. You continue to try and show Hibernian supporters in a bad light though. Supporters that contribute to the club a lot, lot more than others who try to belittle them at every or any opportunity.

[Since90+2]

We haven't missed him, there's no argument but yet here you are arguing we are missing a player that has done nothing when available for 18 months.

Stoke and Blackburn are both ****holes doing absolutely nothing in England. A player with his talent should be getting bigger and better clubs than Stoke ffs.

Yes, he's not been brilliant. The team haven't been no, but he's been a part of that team, he's been mainly rubbish. Even this season when we have been really good he's been crap.

He's at the centre of attention because he's a player who should be making us millions, contributing to the team in a much more positive manner than he has. Any other reason is complete guesswork by you.

That's right, poor players and our support is terrible giving them grief. Its a surprise you support such a club. Oh, wait. :confused:

What clubs are we talking about when you say he should get bigger clubs than Stoke or Blackburn? I think he'd struggle at any level in the Championship in England.

[Billy Bunter 07]

What clubs are we talking about when you say he should get bigger clubs than Stoke or Blackburn? I think he'd struggle at any level in the Championship in England.

Now he would. I think due to a magnitude of things including his attitude he would be lucky to get a Stoke or Blackburn.

When he signed for us based on his loan move I thought and so did a lot of fans, that his potential was greater than playing for Stoke in the future. Since he's joined permanently he's not improved a single bit so he would be lucky to get a Stoke or Blackburn these days. France Lique 2 would be my guess.

[LEaston87]

Someone I know who works at Spire Healthcare has seen him there a few times recently so he has definitely been injured, just don't know how serious the injury has been.

[Big_Franck]

David Gray's comments do exactly what you'd expect our manager to do, which is protect the value of one our assets. Especially when it's one of our most valuable assets.

If anyone in the squad is taking the piss and are not giving their all, Gray is hardly going to come out and state that, is he? Nobody would touch that player with a bargepole after that, and we'd have a liability on our hands on a good wage for another 12 months.

The fact is, Elie has only played 13 minutes in 1 match since December and we're almost in May now. Maybe it's down to a sore toe, maybe he's off soon and doesn't give a ****. Who knows, either way I hope he's gone in the summer as we're not getting value at all. We'd be better off cutting our loses in the summer, taking anything we can get and moving on.

[ekhibee]

Personally I would be quite surprised if Youan plays for us again. I think at times he's got amazing talent, and incredible ability, but for one reason or another we don't see it on a consistent basis, whether it's down to injury, mental state, or just having an off day. IMO Hibs have had quite a few players like that over the years, at times really great to watch but for some reason there's something missing at times. It shows up more now because we have a team that has been performing exceptionally well without a player of his undoubted ability, but personally I would love him to stay, I just don't think he will.

[hibsbollah]

We haven't missed him, there's no argument but yet here you are arguing we are missing a player that has done nothing when available for 18 months.

Stoke and Blackburn are both ****holes doing absolutely nothing in England. A player with his talent should be getting bigger and better clubs than Stoke ffs.

Yes, he's not been brilliant. The team haven't been no, but he's been a part of that team, he's been mainly rubbish. Even this season when we have been really good he's been crap.

He's at the centre of attention because he's a player who should be making us millions, contributing to the team in a much more positive manner than he has. Any other reason is complete guesswork by you. You said he was a great player, your words, when was this great player on his day? Years back. What's the reason for that? Guaranteed you blame the support, the weather, anything really bar the player himself.

That's right, poor players and our support is terrible giving them grief. Its a surprise you support such a club. Oh, wait. :confused:

Fact of the matter is we have a player on our hands that should be making the club a considerable more amount of money than he will when he leaves after contributing a lot less on the pitch than anticipated by the majority of the support when he signed on a permanent deal. That's why some supporters thoughts range from very unhappy to now "meh" when it comes to Youan. Sip to do with race or whatever other ***** you want to try and bring into it. You continue to try and show Hibernian supporters in a bad light though. Supporters that contribute to the club a lot, lot more than others who try to belittle them at every or any opportunity.

You seem to be very angry. We are in our best place for years, players ripping it up all over the pitch, great team spirit and our rivals are Scottish Football Marshalls Chunky Chicken Champion Clowns of the Month. Not sure why anyone wouldnt just bask in that sunshine.

[Billy Bunter 07]

You seem to be very angry. We are in our best place for years, players ripping it up all over the pitch, great team spirit and our rivals are Scottish Football Marshalls Chunky Chicken Champion Clowns of the Month. Not sure why anyone wouldnt just bask in that sunshine.

I'm not very angry. I'm a very happy Hibernian fan at the moment.

The topic isn't about the emotional wellbeing of our supporters and posters on.net though. It's about a player who has under achieved for us losing the club millions. If you are happy with that fair enough. I'm extremely disappointed at the whole episode.

[ancient hibee]

I'm not very angry. I'm a very happy Hibernian fan at the moment.

The topic isn't about the emotional wellbeing of our supporters and posters on.net though. It's about a player who has under achieved for us losing the club millions. If you are happy with that fair enough. I'm extremely disappointed at the whole episode.

Those who thought he was ever worth millions are no judges of a player in my opinion.He’s never been more than inconsistently decent .

[andrew70]

I'm not very angry. I'm a very happy Hibernian fan at the moment.

The topic isn't about the emotional wellbeing of our supporters and posters on.net though. It's about a player who has under achieved for us losing the club millions. If you are happy with that fair enough. I'm extremely disappointed at the whole episode.

under achieved 😂 his numbers, when fit, speak for themselves.

He can’t do anything about injuries, being poorly treated and everything else he has had to deal with.

Fantastic player, genuinely good person too by all accounts. In no way has he wanted to not play.

[andrew70]

Those who thought he was ever worth millions are no judges of a player in my opinion.He’s never been more than inconsistently decent .

I think that sums up you as a judge more than the ones you mention.

[ancient hibee]

I think that sums up you as a judge more than the ones you mention.

You’re entitled to your opinion no matter how ill judged.

[Billy Bunter 07]

Those who thought he was ever worth millions are no judges of a player in my opinion.He’s never been more than inconsistently decent .

The club turned down over £1.5m.

[silverhibee]

Here's where I struggle.

What benefit in any way whatsoever would he get from not playing for months?

It doesn't make any sense to me.

:agree:

If other clubs are interested then how do you show you are worth taking a punt on, basically half a season he hasn’t featured, that’s not going to impress suitors.

[silverhibee]

I was told at the time, but my memory is getting worse.

Stoke :dunno:

[Billy Bunter 07]

under achieved 😂 his numbers, when fit, speak for themselves.

He can’t do anything about injuries, being poorly treated and everything else he has had to deal with.

Fantastic player, genuinely good person too by all accounts. In no way has he wanted to not play.

Yes under achieved. He should be in a position to be ready to play at a higher level than us and we should be in position to benefit financially from this.

Due to him under-achieving we will get nowhere near the money anticipated and he will get nowhere near the level he should be aiming for.

He has been ***** for the best part of two years, fantastic once in a blue moon.

[Donegal Hibby]

We haven't missed him, there's no argument but yet here you are arguing we are missing a player that has done nothing when available for 18 months.

Stoke and Blackburn are both ****holes doing absolutely nothing in England. A player with his talent should be getting bigger and better clubs than Stoke ffs.

Yes, he's not been brilliant. The team haven't been no, but he's been a part of that team, he's been mainly rubbish. Even this season when we have been really good he's been crap.

He's at the centre of attention because he's a player who should be making us millions, contributing to the team in a much more positive manner than he has. Any other reason is complete guesswork by you. You said he was a great player, your words, when was this great player on his day? Years back. What's the reason for that? Guaranteed you blame the support, the weather, anything really bar the player himself.

That's right, poor players and our support is terrible giving them grief. Its a surprise you support such a club. Oh, wait. :confused:

Fact of the matter is we have a player on our hands that should be making the club a considerable more amount of money than he will when he leaves after contributing a lot less on the pitch than anticipated by the majority of the support when he signed on a permanent deal. That's why some supporters thoughts range from very unhappy to now "meh" when it comes to Youan. Sip to do with race or whatever other ***** you want to try and bring into it. You continue to try and show Hibernian supporters in a bad light though. Supporters that contribute to the club a lot, lot more than others who try to belittle them at every or any opportunity.

Again you say we haven’t missed him but surely you can see the logic / reasoning in when a football team has injured players its squad is weaker for not having them available and stronger when they are as it creates healthy competition for places in the team and gives the manager more options to choose from …

I think he has been inconsistent though on his day he can be a match winner and is a quality player . Your arguing about me saying he can be brilliant and then arguing he should be at a bigger, better club than Blackburn or Stoke who are probably playing in a league above our own in quality which I think is a bit of a contradiction . What bigger, better clubs should he be going to ? …

And you’re making stuff up in I’m continuing to try and show the Hibs support in a bad light . We have a fantastic support but like all clubs sometimes I think there has been moments when things go OTT in some fans giving players abuse .. Youan has got racially abused, Campbell in a Gym … maybe your alright with that though…

End of the day I don’t know what’s going on with Youan and can only go by what the manager says rather all the speculation about him being lazy , faking injuries , refusing to play etc …

[andrew70]

Yes under achieved. He should be in a position to be ready to play at a higher level than us and we should be in position to benefit financially from this.

Due to him under-achieving we will get nowhere near the money anticipated and he will get nowhere near the level he should be aiming for.

He has been ***** for the best part of two years, fantastic once in a blue moon.

Except he’s more than ready and he was going to make us a very good amount until Kensell pulled the plug wanting a lot more.

Except he was promised a move and Hibs went back on it.

Except everytime he’s played he’s done well, despite what some may say.

The guy is a footballer who has been abused, badly let down and promised all sorts to no avail.

I’d be delighted if we sign a player of his quality this summer but we were very lucky to get him in the first place.

He’s been out of action for the best part of two years that does not mean he’s anything like you suggest. He’s far better than that.

Anyway, think it’s done its course. Good luck to him whatever happens and I hope we see him play for Hibs again even one more time. Could be pivotal if he does.

[B.H.F.C]

Except everytime he’s played he’s done well, despite what some may say.


That’s pushing it a bit is it no, to say he’s done well every time he’s played?!

I mean he’s had his good games, he’s had plenty where he was totally ineffective as well.

[andrew70]

That’s pushing it a bit is it no, to say he’s done well every time he’s played?!

I mean he’s had his good games, he’s had plenty where he was totally ineffective as well.

The intent has certainly always been there and that’s what many throw at him.

He’s a mercurial player, he tries plenty but as with many of these type of players not everything will come off but I have enjoyed watching him each time he’s had a strip on, yes.

[ancient hibee]

The club turned down over £1.5m.
That’s not a great fee for someone alleged to be on the way to greatness Didn’t we get that for Boyle ,much nearer the end of his career than Youan? Boyle,of course,is a player who has improved himself and been a consistent match winner for us.

[B.H.F.C]

The intent has certainly always been there and that’s what many throw at him.

He’s a mercurial player, he tries plenty but as with many of these type of players not everything will come off but I have enjoyed watching him each time he’s had a strip on, yes.

That’s a bit different to saying he’s done well every time he’s played in fairness.

I know it’s all subjective but, FWIW, I don’t think he’s always applied himself as he could/should. I don’t think he’s made the most of his talent.

[hibsbollah]

I'm not very angry. I'm a very happy Hibernian fan at the moment.

The topic isn't about the emotional wellbeing of our supporters and posters on.net though. It's about a player who has under achieved for us losing the club millions. If you are happy with that fair enough. I'm extremely disappointed at the whole episode.

Losing the club millions :faf:
Oh dear, this is just bonkers, im out.

[Ribs1875]

Has anyone thought maybe we are not playing him because it would mean after so many appearances we would be due that St Gallen mob a fee for number of appearances, hence the reason we aren't rushing him back from injury.

I am sure the club will accept a reasonable offer for him in the summer if one were to be made.

[Since90+2]

That’s a bit different to saying he’s done well every time he’s played in fairness.

I know it’s all subjective but, FWIW, I don’t think he’s always applied himself as he could/should. I don’t think he’s made the most of his talent.

Agreed. He's got decent talent, no more than that. Certainly wouldn't describe him as mercurial.

Probably best for both parties he moved on which will undoubtedly be this summer.

[ChicoM1875]

To bring something more tangible to the table: this thread is beyond pish.

[Jim44]

Any idea which club?

IIRC there were rumours, at the turn of the year, that he had agreed terms with Wolfsburg. I assumed that was nonsense as it would have been illegal. Maybe there was something in it.

[RIP]

To bring something more tangible to the table: this thread is beyond pish.

Hopefully Elie doesn't waste time reading the thread. In the absence of facts around 0.1% of the Hibs support choose to make up drivel.

Meanwhile there is a real possibility that 4 of our current first team may move on within weeks.
Hoilett - moving on/not renewing?
Gayle - retiring?
Myko - end of loan
Boyle - Australian passport holder seeks life in the sun?
Vente - has made it clear he doesn't see his future in Scotland

We could be left with just ONE goalscoring forward who is currently limited to a highly effective 30 minutes

I wouldn't be advocating to move Elie on.

[Billy Bunter 07]

Hopefully Elie doesn't waste time reading the thread. In the absence of facts around 0.1% of the Hibs support choose to make up drivel.

Meanwhile there is a real possibility that 4 of our current first team may move on within weeks.
Hoilett - moving on/not renewing?
Gayle - retiring?
Myko - end of loan
Boyle - Australian passport holder seeks life in the sun?

We could be left with just ONE goalscoring forward.

I wouldn't be in a mad rush to move Elie on.

:rolleyes:

You forgot Vente btw.

[Jim44]

Hopefully Elie doesn't waste time reading the thread. In the absence of facts around 0.1% of the Hibs support choose to make up drivel.

Meanwhile there is a real possibility that 4 of our current first team may move on within weeks.
Hoilett - moving on/not renewing?
Gayle - retiring?
Myko - end of loan
Boyle - Australian passport holder seeks life in the sun?

We could be left with just ONE goalscoring forward.

I wouldn't be in a mad rush to move Elie on.

I take your very valid point but I really don’t think that there is a mad rush to move him on. The ‘drivel’ you refer to is the result of minimal, and, at best, nebulous information drifting out from Easter Road about Youan. I realise that dealings/negotiations with Youan might be a bit fragile but I can also understand the frustration and indifference of supporters to the very ‘meh’ type of intormation available. Why for example, if Youan has any future at Easter Road, doesn’t the club issue, say, an interview with the player to let him talk about the situation from his point of view and express his feelings going forward.

[ancient hibee]

Because at such an important stage of the season the club doesn’t need any distractions.

[JohnM1875]

Been one of his biggest fans on here and have always defended him, but I’ll be happy if he moves on for a decent fee this summer. Think we’ll do well to get over a million now though.

Still think he's arguably our best player when he's on it, but he's managed 15 games this season. Last time he started a game was back on boxing day.

[Billy Bunter 07]

Been one of his biggest fans on here and have always defended him, but I’ll be happy if he moves on for a decent fee this summer. Think we’ll do well to get over a million now though.

Still think he's arguably our best player when he's on it, but he's managed 15 games this season. Last time he started a game was back on boxing day.

Genuine question, when was the last game he was our best player or even arguably?

[CapitalGreen]

Genuine question, when was the last game he was our best player or even arguably?

We was man of the match in our 3-3 draw with Aberdeen.

[Billy Bunter 07]

We was man of the match in our 3-3 draw with Aberdeen.

He was? :confused: I thought Nicky Cadden was.

[cubehindthegoal]

I’m feeling that perhaps it’s time to part ways, and perhaps also not actually in our control any more anyway. So I feel quite ambivalent about it … perhaps it’s best for Hibs and Youan now anyways. If he stays, and plays, then great .. if he moves on, and we get some sort of fee (no doubt smaller than it might have been, or deserved for that matter given what we have put in to his recovery, but hey, c’est la vie) and also free his wage up … and we move on, and upwards hopefully. So all good for all, I honestly hope … and would wish him the best too, esp for the moments of joy he did give our support.

[Jim44]

Been one of his biggest fans on here and have always defended him, but I’ll be happy if he moves on for a decent fee this summer. Think we’ll do well to get over a million now though.

Still think he's arguably our best player when he's on it, but he's managed 15 games this season. Last time he started a game was back on boxing day.

I’ll be delighted if we get £1m for him but I doubt if many teams would pay that for a player who, because of a lengthy injury lay off, won’t have had any match time for 6 months.

[Big_Franck]

In David Gray's pre match interview he said Youan still isn't fit. Kwon is still out and Newell is longer term he said.

I did get the impression from one of his interviews a few weeks ago that Newell may be out for the season now.

[dannyobrien43]

I've heard Joe Newall is off down south for an operation on niggling injury and is hopefully staying with us next season.

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[Ribs1875]

I would love for Youan to be fit for the last few games and be an integral part of us finishing 3rd. Can't see it though. I think he's probably played his last game for us.

[04Sauzee]

I've heard Joe Newall is off down south for an operation on niggling injury and is hopefully staying with us next season.

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Newell is contracted until the summer of 27.