Positions after the split

[worcesterhibby]

Well I just went through the pre-split fixtures and predicted the scores of the teams currently ranked 3- 8… this is how my prediction makes the league look at the split.

3rd - Hibs 50 points
4th - Dundee Utd 49 points
5th - Aberdeen 47 points
6th - Hearts 41 points

anyone think a lot different ?

[CallumLaidlaw]

Hibs - 50
Dundee Utd - 49
Aberdeen - 48
Motherwell - 43
Hearts - 41


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[Pagan Hibernia]

I also think we'll get 50 points and be in 3rd place heading in to the split.

Not sure about Hearts, Aberdeen and United though.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Hibs - 50
Dundee Utd - 49
Aberdeen - 48
Motherwell - 43
Hearts - 41


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Can't see Motherwell holding on to 6th place and nudging out Hearts bit I really hope you're right!

[CallumLaidlaw]

Can't see Motherwell holding on to 6th place and nudging out Hearts bit I really hope you're right!

They play them last game before the split so be interesting to see who goes in to that game above the other.


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[JimBHibees]

Hibs - 50
Dundee Utd - 49
Aberdeen - 48
Motherwell - 43
Hearts - 41


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Next two games are massive for us.

[badabing67]

Can't see Motherwell holding on to 6th place and nudging out Hearts bit I really hope you're right!


I can, I would rather have Motherwell's run in to the split than Hearts

Motherwell - STM (H), Aberdeen (A), Killie (A), Hearts (H)
Hearts - County (H), Celtic (A), Dundee Utd (H), Motherwell (A)

[HarpOnHibee]

Hibs - 52
Dundee Utd - 49
Aberdeen - 48
Motherwell - 43

[Tambo]

Next two games are massive for us.

Yep, 6 points before the trip to the huns would be massive, could've done without the international break.

[danhibees1875]

Yep, 6 points before the trip to the huns would be massive, could've done without the international break.

Might be helpful for Youan, Newall, and the Caddens.

Big win on Saturday, back on the undefeated (in the league) bandwagon, and a little rest before the next 3.

Can't see Aberdeen Hearts or Utd losing this weekend so important to keep momentum.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I can, I would rather have Motherwell's run in to the split than Hearts

Motherwell - STM (H), Aberdeen (A), Killie (A), Hearts (H)
Hearts - County (H), Celtic (A), Dundee Utd (H), Motherwell (A)

:agree:

I’d give each team a similar chance of winning their first match, Motherwell a much higher chance of getting something from their second and Hearts a slightly higher chance of getting something from the third matches.

If Motherwell can match or better the Hearts result this weekend then it will go to a shootout at Fir Park with Motherwell at home.

[Billy Whizz]

Yep, 6 points before the trip to the huns would be massive, could've done without the international break.

I think Rocky is away on international duty, does anyone know if Australia have a game? Also Mariah-Welsh

[Tambo]

Might be helpful for Youan, Newall, and the Caddens.

Big win on Saturday, back on the undefeated (in the league) bandwagon, and a little rest before the next 3.

Can't see Aberdeen Hearts or Utd losing this weekend so important to keep momentum.


Yeah good about the break, just we have good momentum in the league and I hate international breaks.

I actually fancy Aberdeen and Dundee United in their next two games, on game at a time for us as usual which will no doubt be a tough tie.

More exciting that sitting mid table weeks before the split that's for sure.

[007]

Had a look yesterday and Motherwell and St Mirren's next 4 fixtures are easier than Hearts' so they can't afford any slip ups. Their last game before the split is away to Motherwell so that match could well decide which of them makes top 6.

[CapitalGreen]

Had a look yesterday and Motherwell and St Mirren's next 4 fixtures are easier than Hearts' so they can't afford any slip ups. Their last game before the split is away to Motherwell so that match could well decide which of them makes top 6.

Motherwell and St Mirren face each other though and if Motherwell don’t win it puts Hearts fate back into their own hands.

[Jamesie]

There’s obviously the usual jiggery-pokery in ensuring a fair-ish landing on overall home / away fixtures, but as things stand we could have two home and three away fixtures post split:

Celtic Away
Rangers Home
Aberdeen Away
Dundee United Home
Motherwell Away

[PHeffernan]

Hibs - 50
Aberdeen - 50
Dundee Utd - 48
Hearts - 45

[CapitalGreen]

Hibs - 55

The rest - irrelevant

[PHeffernan]

Hibs - 55

The rest - irrelevant

That could be burst by Saturday afternoon.
The loss of the quality crosses and dead balls from Nicky Cadden plus that pitch could well prove significant.
A draw is on the cards if someone else can't step up to make the difference on the day.

[Donegal Hibby]

3rd - Hibs 50 .
4th - Dundee Utd 49 .
5th - Aberdeen 49 .
6th - St Mirren 42 .

Hertz - bottom :6: :brokenyam:

[PHeffernan]

3rd - Hibs 50 .
4th - Dundee Utd 49 .
5th - Aberdeen 49 .
6th - St Mirren 42 .

Hertz - bottom :6: :brokenyam:

St Mirren appear to have winable fixtures and if they could hit form they could take 12 points but suspect it will be more like 7-9 which is likely to see them finish behind Hearts. I look forward to watching the fight for the last place in the top 6 unfold over the next 4 games.

[Pagan Hibernia]

If Ross County spring a surprise at Tynie at the weekend they could have a say in things too. Let's hope so!

[PHeffernan]

If Ross County spring a surprise at Tynie at the weekend they could have a say in things too. Let's hope so!

I can't see them taking anything from Hearts.
Tricky customers in their own stadium but despite their great recent run, are not the same threat at the likes of Tiny.

[JohnM1875]

I can't see them taking anything from Hearts.
Tricky customers in their own stadium but despite their great recent run, are not the same threat at the likes of Tiny.

After a truly horrid spell away from home have County not won something like four out of their last six away games?

That and Hearts aren’t that great. Keep it tight and nick a winner.

[Donegal Hibby]

I can't see them taking anything from Hearts.
Tricky customers in their own stadium but despite their great recent run, are not the same threat at the likes of Tiny.

They’ll be favourites alright but it is IMO a potential banana skin .. big IF but if they were to lose it or even a draw which would be excellent too and they go to Parkhead and lose 3 or 4 nil they are in serious 💩 that’s if other results go good …

Again big IF though what a absolutely delightful scenario it would be :greengrin

[worcesterhibby]

The really good news is that it’s hard to see us getting less than 4 or 5 points before the split and there is every chance we could get 7- 10 points from our remaining matches. So unless we have an absolute melt down, we will be within three points of 3rd (at worst) when the split comes and there is a real possibility we could be a couple of points clear in third.

[PHeffernan]

Results in for game 1.
A lot of poor calls from posters.

[Spike Mandela]

Beat St Johnstone at home in the next game guarantees a top 6 finish.

[worcesterhibby]

Results in for game 1.
A lot of poor calls from posters.

I’ll just point out that the OP predicted 50 points for Hibs.. so a draw with killi, two homes wins v StJ and Dundee and a loss away to Rangers. Still on track :greengrin

[SHODAN]

Hearts will make the top 6 just fine, don't see Motherwell catching them now. That said, if it's still to play for then the final game between the two of them at Fir Park will be interesting.

You would hope we'll win our two home games and still be third come the split, but I wouldn't rule anything out.

[KeithTheHibby]

Hearts will make the top 6 just fine, don't see Motherwell catching them now. That said, if it's still to play for then the final game between the two of them at Fir Park will be interesting.

You would hope we'll win our two home games and still be third come the split, but I wouldn't rule anything out.

Motherwell a point behind. Next round of fixtures sees the pink ones at Parkhead and Motherwell at Aberdeen. They could easily be above them after those games. They also play each other at Fir Park on match day 33.

[Unseen work]

Hearts will make the top 6 just fine, don't see Motherwell catching them now. That said, if it's still to play for then the final game between the two of them at Fir Park will be interesting.

You would hope we'll win our two home games and still be third come the split, but I wouldn't rule anything out.

I agree, don’t see hearts not making it.

Their form is really good the past 10 games or so and Kabangu seems to be scoring regularly

[jakedance]

If we beat St Johnstone and Dundee we’re in a really strong position, with Aberdeen and Hearts also still to play the old firm, and both having more potential than us to drop points in their other two games. I wouldn’t want to predict where we finish the season but I think we’ll go into the split in third.

I’d love to see Hearts fall away but I think they’ll finish the league strongly. Not bothered about Dundee United, I think they’ve run their race.

[PHeffernan]

I’ll just point out that the OP predicted 50 points for Hibs.. so a draw with killi, two homes wins v StJ and Dundee and a loss away to Rangers. Still on track :greengrin

I predicted the same for Hibs in post#17.
Hope Dundee calm down again before we play them.
This weeks big falter was Aberdeen not being able to win at St J.

[Sergio sledge]

I agree, don’t see hearts not making it.

Their form is really good the past 10 games or so and Kabangu seems to be scoring regularly

They are definitely not a shoo-in for top 6. They've had a relatively easy run of opponents in those 10 games, their opponents ppg is the lowest in the league in the stretch.

If you look at the opponents ppg for the last 3 games to the split Hearts have by far the most difficult run of fixtures. I reckon Motherwell will be level on points with them going into the last game pre-split where anything could happen and their form has been decent since the new manager came in with a difficult run of fixtures.

[Unseen work]

They are definitely not a shoo-in for top 6. They've had a relatively easy run of opponents in those 10 games, their opponents ppg is the lowest in the league in the stretch.

If you look at the opponents ppg for the last 3 games to the split Hearts have by far the most difficult run of fixtures. I reckon Motherwell will be level on points with them going into the last game pre-split where anything could happen and their form has been decent since the new manager came in with a difficult run of fixtures.

Wouldn’t say a shoe in, just think they’ll get it.

As much as I’d love to bash them, I’d say it’s unfair to say about how lucky they’ve been with opponents over a 10 game period

For example St Johnstone, Killie and Ross County will be 3 of the lowest and we’ve struggled to beat them

Hopefully they have a dip in form

[Sergio sledge]

Wouldn’t say a shoe in, just think they’ll get it.

As much as I’d love to bash them, I’d say it’s unfair to say about how lucky they’ve been with opponents over a 10 game period

For example St Johnstone, Killie and Ross County will be 3 of the lowest and we’ve struggled to beat them

Hopefully they have a dip in form

I wouldn't say they've been lucky per se, but their opponents over the last 10 games have averaged 1.24 ppg, ours have been marginally harder at 1.35 ppg. To be fair it's probably splitting hairs, but St Mirren for example have played opponents with a ppg of 1.72 over the last 10 games and their form is probably a bit reflective of that.

I'll be keeping everything crossed for Motherwell in the next few weeks...

[Donegal Hibby]

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c0q19l9vljko

[worcesterhibby]

We really need to win our two home games if we want to stay 3rd. I do think the international break has come at a good time for us. Let’s get everyone possible 100% fit and ready. When are Boyle and Triantis away with Australia ?

[Tyler Durden]

Great to see Dundee Utd getting found out. Also bit of schadenfreude at seeing how totally crap Allan Campbell has been for them :greengrin

[Nutmegged]

50 - Hibs
48 - Aberdeen
45 - Dundee United
43 - Hearts

[JohnM1875]

Great to see Dundee Utd getting found out. Also bit of schadenfreude at seeing how totally crap Allan Campbell has been for them :greengrin

He's been brutal for them! I was desperate for us to sign him.

Read plenty comments after yesterday from their fans wanting the loan or short-term deal cancelled

[Springbank]

50 - Hibs
48 - Aberdeen
45 - Dundee United
43 - Hearts

I think we'd seal 3rd with a win or draw v Aberdeen post split, if this is where we are after 33 games

[Billy Whizz]

We really need to win our two home games if we want to stay 3rd. I do think the international break has come at a good time for us. Let’s get everyone possible 100% fit and ready. When are Boyle and Triantis away with Australia ?

They play Indonesia in Sydney on Thursday night Aussie time. Then away to China on Tuesday 11am local time
Not likely to be back in the Uk until sometime Wednesday

[Tyler Durden]

50 - Hibs
48 - Aberdeen
45 - Dundee United
43 - Hearts

The Rangers Report is a Twitter analysis account (actually really good if you get past the name) and they project the table based on XG. Always interesting.

They have us finishing 3rd on 56 points. Which I think most of us would agree with. At least 6 points pre split and probably two wins after.

Hopefully it’s as much of a formality as that sounds

[Keepthefaith]

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c0q19l9vljko

really interesting to see the projection of percentage likelihood for us to finish 3rd - it's higher than I anticipated! I guess it's really counting on us beating both st j and Dundee, so it's over the lads now to get the job done!

[Col2]

The stats make sense. We have two home games against the bottom two, we are unbeaten in 14 league games, we are in 3rd and have a better goal difference than others.

I honestly think if we get 6 points from last two home games we will go into the split 3 points ahead of Aberdeen (4 if you count goal difference), 5 ahead of United and 7 ahead of Hearts.

In that scenario I would suggest it’s too much of a leap for Hearts to catch us, United would need to win at ER and also get a win again OF so down to Aberdeen. Avoid defeat away at the sheep and home and dry.

But we have to win last two games at home before split and both are dangerous opponents given what they are fighting for.

[PHeffernan]

The Rangers Report is a Twitter analysis account (actually really good if you get past the name) and they project the table based on XG. Always interesting.

They have us finishing 3rd on 56 points. Which I think most of us would agree with. At least 6 points pre split and probably two wins after.

Hopefully it’s as much of a formality as that sounds

My guess is 55 points for Hibs at the end of the season
Beat St J and Dundee pre split
Then beat Dundee Utd post split and draw with Hearts and Aberdeen
That would take 3rd place

[worcesterhibby]

My guess is 55 points for Hibs at the end of the season
Beat St J and Dundee pre split
Then beat Dundee Utd post split and draw with Hearts and Aberdeen
That would take 3rd place

sensible projection, but I get the sense that this team are capable of more

[PHeffernan]

sensible projection, but I get the sense that this team are capable of more

They are certainly capable of more but i was looking at it pragmatically with a view to finishing 3rd so winning at home and not losing to rivals away.
The important thing is we are consistently playing well although we could do with taking more chances and we could do with prime Youan to help with that.
No idea what type of Celtic and Rangers we might face post split and we are obviously capable of winning against Hearts and Aberdeen.
A win at Pittodrie could be better than a win at Tynecastle if Aberdeen are still hanging on as our closest rivals.
There are still a lot of twists and turns to come but Aberdeen are currently the best placed of our rivals.

[Tambo]

Exciting times to end the season with a lot to play for.

[Mcbizz1998]

Think hearts top 6 will come down to final game at Motherwell. Could be very interesting.

[Hibs Go Bragh]

Can Celtic still win the league before the split?

If they just have 5 training matches before the cup final then there will be points won against them after the split. We just have to make sure it's for us!

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

Can Celtic still win the league before the split?

If they just have 5 training matches before the cup final then there will be points won against them after the split. We just have to make sure it's for us!

They are 13 ahead, so would need the Huns to drop points before the split. I think they have a good chance of doing it though. Celtcs next three games are Hearts (H), St Johnstone (A) and Killie (H), would expect them to pick up 9 points. Huns are away to Dundee, home to us and away to Aberdeen. Good chance they'll slip up in at least one of those games IMO.

We are in a really strong position to be 3rd at the split and given the games ahead for all the teams before the split, would expect us to be so.

[PatHead]

Can Celtic still win the league before the split?

If they just have 5 training matches before the cup final then there will be points won against them after the split. We just have to make sure it's for us!

My big fear is that they lose momentum once they have won it. They then lose the cup final and we lose the 3rd place European spot.

[PatHead]

They are certainly capable of more but i was looking at it pragmatically with a view to finishing 3rd so winning at home and not losing to rivals away.
The important thing is we are consistently playing well although we could do with taking more chances and we could do with prime Youan to help with that.
No idea what type of Celtic and Rangers we might face post split and we are obviously capable of winning against Hearts and Aberdeen.
A win at Pittodrie could be better than a win at Tynecastle if Aberdeen are still hanging on as our closest rivals.
There are still a lot of twists and turns to come but Aberdeen are currently the best placed of our rivals.

Think Aberdeen play The Rangers in between their European ties which is a massive advantage.

[Hibs Go Bragh]

My big fear is that they lose momentum once they have won it. They then lose the cup final and we lose the 3rd place European spot.

That would be the most Hibs thing of all time but I think we'd be fine. Surely they aren't passing up the chance of a treble to (hopefully) Aberdeen. Their fans are already having a meltdown at losing a meaningless game against the Huns so imagine the fallout from that!

[flash]

My big fear is that they lose momentum once they have won it. They then lose the cup final and we lose the 3rd place European spot.

If we finish 3rd then we have done all we can.

If Celtic don't win the Cup then so be it.

[AmericanKev]

Well I just went through the pre-split fixtures and predicted the scores of the teams currently ranked 3- 8… this is how my prediction makes the league look at the split.

3rd - Hibs 50 points
4th - Dundee Utd 49 points
5th - Aberdeen 47 points
6th - Hearts 41 points

anyone think a lot different ?

I think Hearts will scrape it to 6 and that has huge implications for us as another derby.

Can someone put the Euro places next to each league position please if they have that info handy?

[AmericanKev]

That would be the most Hibs thing of all time but I think we'd be fine. Surely they aren't passing up the chance of a treble to (hopefully) Aberdeen. Their fans are already having a meltdown at losing a meaningless game against the Huns so imagine the fallout from that!

Celtic are winning it no matter who they play. St Johnston will ship at least 4 in the semi and aw. My prediction is it will be celtic v hearts and about 3-1 in the final.

[Hibiza]

Games are all difficult and hard to predict .

[B.H.F.C]

My big fear is that they lose momentum once they have won it. They then lose the cup final and we lose the 3rd place European spot.

My big fear is that we don’t actually get our job done and finish third. We’re more likely to fail in that than Celtic are to fail to win the cup IMO.

Now, I think we have a very good chance of getting third but we just need to make sure we look after ourselves. The league is that tight that if you take care of your own results then you’ll almost always be getting an advantage over someone who is chasing you.

[Fergus52]

I think Hearts will scrape it to 6 and that has huge implications for us as another derby.

Can someone put the Euro places next to each league position please if they have that info handy?

1st - Champions league play off
2nd - Champions league qualifiers second round
cup winner/(or 3rd) - Europa League play off
3rd/(4th) - Europa league qualifying second round
4th/(5th) - conference league qualifying second round

[AmericanKev]

1st - Champions league play off
2nd - Champions league qualifiers second round
cup winner/(or 3rd) - Europa League play off
3rd/(4th) - Europa league qualifying second round
4th/(5th) - conference league qualifying second round

are these in bold because if someone other than Celtic wins the cup they get those places?

[PatHead]

are these in bold because if someone other than Celtic wins the cup they get those places?

Yes

[AmericanKev]

Yes

Thanks. So 5th will be Europe then as they have done away with the beaten finalist getting a Euro spot. :aok:

[Pagan Hibernia]

Celtic are winning it no matter who they play. St Johnston will ship at least 4 in the semi and aw. My prediction is it will be celtic v hearts and about 3-1 in the final.

They're always capable of an off day. They were rubbish for three quarters of the game against us at Easter Road. And they were awful against a Rangers team that have been really toiling lately.

It's 90% certain that they'll win the cup but that 10% worries me.

[AmericanKev]

They're always capable of an off day. They were rubbish for three quarters of the game against us at Easter Road. And they were awful against a Rangers team that have been really toiling lately.

It's 90% certain that they'll win the cup but that 10% worries me.

but it could be Aberdeen that nic it.

[Pagan Hibernia]

but it could be Aberdeen that nic it.

That could still cost us European group stage football.

[AmericanKev]

That could still cost us European group stage football.

I guess if they win the cup they deserve it. Not really much you can say about that if cup win gets top spot in Europe. Gotta hope Celtic win the cup then

[Mcbizz1998]

I’m fairly relaxed about us losing out on the better European spot as a result of someone other than Celtic winning it. According to the jambos we are all bricking it at the prospect?

I’m of the mind that if Hibs finish 3rd then that’s a great achievement given where we were. If we lose out on guaranteed group stage then that’s disappointing but we will still be back in Europe and 3rd best team in the country. I couldn’t have ever predicted that in November.

[CapitalGreen]

but it could be Aberdeen that nic it.

Aberdeen have conceded 30 goals in the last 2 years against Celtic in Glasgow.

[Glory Lurker]

My big fear is that we don’t actually get our job done and finish third. We’re more likely to fail in that than Celtic are to fail to win the cup IMO.

Now, I think we have a very good chance of getting third but we just need to make sure we look after ourselves. The league is that tight that if you take care of your own results then you’ll almost always be getting an advantage over someone who is chasing you.

Well said.

[Glory Lurker]

I’m fairly relaxed about us losing out on the better European spot as a result of someone other than Celtic winning it. According to the jambos we are all bricking it at the prospect?

I’m of the mind that if Hibs finish 3rd then that’s a great achievement given where we were. If we lose out on guaranteed group stage then that’s disappointing but we will still be back in Europe and 3rd best team in the country. I couldn’t have ever predicted that in November.

Also well said.

[PHeffernan]

They're always capable of an off day. They were rubbish for three quarters of the game against us at Easter Road. And they were awful against a Rangers team that have been really toiling lately.

It's 90% certain that they'll win the cup but that 10% worries me.

Celtic rested players for that game after playing Bayern earlier in the week and only brought their best players on in the second half because Hibs were ahead
When Celtic play in the Scottish Cup Final they will be perfectly rested and will start with their best team. They will win. Only way the other team has a chance is if Celtic have a player sent off.

[SHODAN]

Aberdeen have conceded 30 goals in the last 2 years against Celtic in Glasgow.

Aberdeen's results against Celtic at Hampden this century: 0-6, 3-3, 0-2, 0-3, 0-1, 1-2, 0-3, 0-4, 1-4, 0-2

We should be fine.

[Donegal Hibby]

The hertz v Aberdeen games to close to call . Fancy Aberdeen to sneak it by a goal , with them being well up for it and their far superior quality , Celtic will comfortably win in the final by a 2 or 3 goal margin.

[ian cruise]

Celtic are winning it no matter who they play. St Johnston will ship at least 4 in the semi and aw. My prediction is it will be celtic v hearts and about 3-1 in the final.

Sure I read in the run up to our game vs them that Rogers has never lost a Scottish Cup game.

[danhibees1875]

I’m fairly relaxed about us losing out on the better European spot as a result of someone other than Celtic winning it. According to the jambos we are all bricking it at the prospect?

I’m of the mind that if Hibs finish 3rd then that’s a great achievement given where we were. If we lose out on guaranteed group stage then that’s disappointing but we will still be back in Europe and 3rd best team in the country. I couldn’t have ever predicted that in November.

I think "bricking it" is a tad dramatic considering we're nowhere near securing 3rd yet. If we do seal 3rd though I'll be as nervous about a final that doesn't involve Hibs as can be as it'll take more than just a little shine off of our season if someone other than Celtic wins the cup, doubley so if it's Hearts.

[AmericanKev]

I think "bricking it" is a tad dramatic considering we're nowhere near securing 3rd yet. If we do seal 3rd though I'll be as nervous about a final that doesn't involve Hibs as can be as it'll take more than just a little shine off of our season if someone other than Celtic wins the cup, doubley so if it's Hearts.

Wouldn't mind ST Johnston winning the cup. Can't stand the old firm

[EH54]

Wouldn't mind ST Johnston winning the cup. Can't stand the old firm

I hate both the Glasgow teams as much as the next guy but if it’s the difference between group stage European football and more qualifiers if we finished 3rd of course than I’ll be cheering on Celtic like ****.

the opportunity for Hibs and the supporters following them is too good to think otherwise

[danhibees1875]

Wouldn't mind ST Johnston winning the cup. Can't stand the old firm

Not if we finish third. I'll be wanting the result which most benefits Hibs - 1 extra trophy for Celtic is a splash in the ocean.

[AmericanKev]

Not if we finish third. I'll be wanting the result which most benefits Hibs - 1 extra trophy for Celtic is a splash in the ocean.

Yea guess that's the only thing to do. I would be happy with any European thing however, even if there were some qualifiers to be done.

[danhibees1875]

Yea guess that's the only thing to do. I would be happy with any European thing however, even if there were some qualifiers to be done.

Historically/typically that means losing rather quickly. The "good" spot guarantees the League stage (Hearts this year) and c.£3-5M in revenue.

I believe our coefficient is on the way down too and this is possibly the last year such a position is available.

[Steve20]

The hertz v Aberdeen games to close to call .

On recent form there's only one winner in that game and it's not Aberdeen.