Rebuild in the Summer

[Donegal Hibby]

Looking at numerous threads I notice that some of the players we have coming out of contract fans would like to see us keep in the likes of Boyle , Miller , Cadden and Rocky . If we do manage to retain most of these players is the rebuild in the summer not as big as we would have originally first thought it needed to be ?

[HibsGW]

Loans
Myko
Triantis

Contracts expiring
Gayle
Hoillett
Rocky
C Cadden
Miller
Boyle

Not sure if I’ve missed anyone here but they are all players that get a decent bit of game time so there will be a bit of a rebuild to do. I’d probably be wanting to keep Boyle, Miller, Cadden, Rocky and Triantis and wouldn’t be opposed to keeping one of Gayle or Hoillett, don’t think we’ll need both though.

[PatHead]

I think Miller, Rocky, Triantis and Myko will all leave to further their career.
Would have liked to have kept the first three.
Worried Boyle will be away too which is almost half the team.

[expresso]

Cadden, Miller & Boyle are worth keeping.
Triantis likely will fancy England.
Ricky while nice guy and a cult now is still to clumsy at times and error prone.

[bingo70]

I think we must be approaching the stage of if they’ve not signed a new deal, are they going to?

It may be for different reasons such as not being offered one or they may be rejecting it but the longer it goes with no deals being signed, the less likely I think players will be staying.

[Billy Whizz]

I think we must be approaching the stage of if they’ve not signed a new deal, are they going to?

It may be for different reasons such as not being offered one or they may be rejecting it but the longer it goes with no deals being signed, the less likely I think players will be staying.

Do we not have options on miller and Boyle

[Ringothedog]

Do we not have options on miller and Boyle

Yes

[bingo70]

Do we not have options on miller and Boyle

I hope we keep both.

The fact we have an option on both makes me surprised they haven’t signed extensions yet. I’d have thought they would be pretty easy to deal with.

If they don’t sign, I’m guessing it’s because Boyle is maybe on a big contract we feel we can’t justify extending, Miller is probably different as I wouldn’t have thought he was on a huge wage. Might just be he’s expressed a desire to move on.

Obviously both those are guesses based on very little.

[Donegal Hibby]

Do we not have options on miller and Boyle

That’s the two I most expect to stay with us having the option on them and two players I think Gray will want to keep, Cadden another . Rocky I’d like to see stay but think he is the most likely to move on.

Of our loan deals Triantis is the only one worth trying to keep though I’m not sure that’s possible now . If we got a decent fee for Vente and Youan I wonder would we be prepared to offer the sort of money we were willing to shell out for McCowan for in trying though? .

[MacGruber]

Hopefully we qualify for Europe which might just help persuade some to stay and also help with funds for the summer budget

[kentao]

#
Player Name
Position
Age
Contract Expiry




13
Josef Bursik
Goalkeeper
24
May 31, 2025




25
Jordan Smith
Goalkeeper
30
May 31, 2026




4
Maksymilian Boruc
Goalkeeper
22
May 31, 2025





33
Marvin Ekpiteta
Centre-Back
29
May 31, 2027




5
Rocky Bushiri
Centre-Back
25
May 31, 2025




15
Warren O'Hora
Centre-Back
25
May 31, 2027




21
Jack Iredale
Centre-Back
28
May 31, 2026




2
Jordan Obita
Left-Back
31
May 31, 2026




12
Lewis Miller
Right-Back
24
May 31, 2025




18
Chris Cadden
Right-Back
28
May 31, 2025





26
Hyeok-kyu Kwon
Defensive Midfield
23
May 31, 2025




11
Nectarios Triantis
Defensive Midfield
21
May 31, 2025




6
Joe Newell
Central Midfield
31
May 31, 2027




8
Dylan Levitt
Central Midfield
24
May 31, 2026




22
Alasana Manneh
Central Midfield
26
May 31, 2028




19
Nathan Moriah-Welsh
Central Midfield
22
May 31, 2026




32
Nicky Cadden
Left Midfield
28
May 31, 2027




35
Josh Campbell
Attacking Midfield
24
May 31, 2027




7
Rudi Molotnikov
Attacking Midfield
18
May 31, 2029





23
Élie Youan
Left Winger
25
May 31, 2026




10
Junior Hoilett
Left Winger
34
May 31, 2025




99
Martin Boyle
Right Winger
31
May 31, 2025




20
Mykola Kukharevych
Centre-Forward
23
May 31, 2025




34
Kieron Bowie
Centre-Forward
22
May 31, 2028




-
Dwight Gayle
Centre-Forward
35
May 31, 2025




Sell / Release / Return the ones in red,
50/50 on keep / let go the oranges
Renew / Sign the ones in Green

Leaves us with space for
2 Goalkeepers
1 midfielder
2 / 3 attackers.

[J-C]

As far as Boyle and Miller are concerned, if we have the option to extend there will be no need to negotiate, it's in their contract, we just exercise that option.

[MacGruber]

#
Player Name
Position
Age
Contract Expiry




13
Josef Bursik
Goalkeeper
24
May 31, 2025




25
Jordan Smith
Goalkeeper
30
May 31, 2026




4
Maksymilian Boruc
Goalkeeper
22
May 31, 2025





33
Marvin Ekpiteta
Centre-Back
29
May 31, 2027




5
Rocky Bushiri
Centre-Back
25
May 31, 2025




15
Warren O'Hora
Centre-Back
25
May 31, 2027




21
Jack Iredale
Centre-Back
28
May 31, 2026




2
Jordan Obita
Left-Back
31
May 31, 2026




12
Lewis Miller
Right-Back
24
May 31, 2025




18
Chris Cadden
Right-Back
28
May 31, 2025





26
Hyeok-kyu Kwon
Defensive Midfield
23
May 31, 2025




11
Nectarios Triantis
Defensive Midfield
21
May 31, 2025




6
Joe Newell
Central Midfield
31
May 31, 2027




8
Dylan Levitt
Central Midfield
24
May 31, 2026




22
Alasana Manneh
Central Midfield
26
May 31, 2028




19
Nathan Moriah-Welsh
Central Midfield
22
May 31, 2026




32
Nicky Cadden
Left Midfield
28
May 31, 2027




35
Josh Campbell
Attacking Midfield
24
May 31, 2027




7
Rudi Molotnikov
Attacking Midfield
18
May 31, 2029





23
Élie Youan
Left Winger
25
May 31, 2026




10
Junior Hoilett
Left Winger
34
May 31, 2025




99
Martin Boyle
Right Winger
31
May 31, 2025




20
Mykola Kukharevych
Centre-Forward
23
May 31, 2025




34
Kieron Bowie
Centre-Forward
22
May 31, 2028




-
Dwight Gayle
Centre-Forward
35
May 31, 2025




Sell / Release / Return the ones in red,
50/50 on keep / let go the oranges
Renew / Sign the ones in Green

Leaves us with space for
2 Goalkeepers
1 midfielder
2 / 3 attackers.

& factoring in McGrath

[JDT]

#
Player Name
Position
Age
Contract Expiry




13
Josef Bursik
Goalkeeper
24
May 31, 2025




25
Jordan Smith
Goalkeeper
30
May 31, 2026




4
Maksymilian Boruc
Goalkeeper
22
May 31, 2025





33
Marvin Ekpiteta
Centre-Back
29
May 31, 2027




5
Rocky Bushiri
Centre-Back
25
May 31, 2025




15
Warren O'Hora
Centre-Back
25
May 31, 2027




21
Jack Iredale
Centre-Back
28
May 31, 2026




2
Jordan Obita
Left-Back
31
May 31, 2026




12
Lewis Miller
Right-Back
24
May 31, 2025




18
Chris Cadden
Right-Back
28
May 31, 2025





26
Hyeok-kyu Kwon
Defensive Midfield
23
May 31, 2025




11
Nectarios Triantis
Defensive Midfield
21
May 31, 2025




6
Joe Newell
Central Midfield
31
May 31, 2027




8
Dylan Levitt
Central Midfield
24
May 31, 2026




22
Alasana Manneh
Central Midfield
26
May 31, 2028




19
Nathan Moriah-Welsh
Central Midfield
22
May 31, 2026




32
Nicky Cadden
Left Midfield
28
May 31, 2027




35
Josh Campbell
Attacking Midfield
24
May 31, 2027




7
Rudi Molotnikov
Attacking Midfield
18
May 31, 2029





23
Élie Youan
Left Winger
25
May 31, 2026




10
Junior Hoilett
Left Winger
34
May 31, 2025




99
Martin Boyle
Right Winger
31
May 31, 2025




20
Mykola Kukharevych
Centre-Forward
23
May 31, 2025




34
Kieron Bowie
Centre-Forward
22
May 31, 2028




-
Dwight Gayle
Centre-Forward
35
May 31, 2025




Sell / Release / Return the ones in red,
50/50 on keep / let go the oranges
Renew / Sign the ones in Green

Leaves us with space for
2 Goalkeepers
1 midfielder
2 / 3 attackers.

I agree with all of what you've said above. We won't keep Triantis and have signed McGrath from Aberdeen. I also expect Youan to go in the summer so our front line will need a major uplift regardless of Boyle staying. If we finish 3rd I expect we'll need a bigger squad and the likes of Hoilett & Gayle may have a better chance at staying for that reason. But we need to get to 3rd place first and that won't be easy.

[Thatdayinmay16]

The thing with Triantis that could work in our favour could be if Sunderland are promoted and if we are to obtain European group stage football.

He's not going to walk into a Premier League squad and the thought of playing 8 guaranteed games in Europe may be enough to tempt him back for another year or for Sunderland to potentially make a quick sale on him to us (wishful thinking)

[we are hibs]

Boyle is the only one I'd keep.


We still need a major rebuild.

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[HFC93]

#
Player Name
Position
Age
Contract Expiry




13
Josef Bursik
Goalkeeper
24
May 31, 2025




25
Jordan Smith
Goalkeeper
30
May 31, 2026




4
Maksymilian Boruc
Goalkeeper
22
May 31, 2025





33
Marvin Ekpiteta
Centre-Back
29
May 31, 2027




5
Rocky Bushiri
Centre-Back
25
May 31, 2025




15
Warren O'Hora
Centre-Back
25
May 31, 2027




21
Jack Iredale
Centre-Back
28
May 31, 2026




2
Jordan Obita
Left-Back
31
May 31, 2026




12
Lewis Miller
Right-Back
24
May 31, 2025




18
Chris Cadden
Right-Back
28
May 31, 2025





26
Hyeok-kyu Kwon
Defensive Midfield
23
May 31, 2025




11
Nectarios Triantis
Defensive Midfield
21
May 31, 2025




6
Joe Newell
Central Midfield
31
May 31, 2027




8
Dylan Levitt
Central Midfield
24
May 31, 2026




22
Alasana Manneh
Central Midfield
26
May 31, 2028




19
Nathan Moriah-Welsh
Central Midfield
22
May 31, 2026




32
Nicky Cadden
Left Midfield
28
May 31, 2027




35
Josh Campbell
Attacking Midfield
24
May 31, 2027




7
Rudi Molotnikov
Attacking Midfield
18
May 31, 2029





23
Élie Youan
Left Winger
25
May 31, 2026




10
Junior Hoilett
Left Winger
34
May 31, 2025




99
Martin Boyle
Right Winger
31
May 31, 2025




20
Mykola Kukharevych
Centre-Forward
23
May 31, 2025




34
Kieron Bowie
Centre-Forward
22
May 31, 2028




-
Dwight Gayle
Centre-Forward
35
May 31, 2025




Sell / Release / Return the ones in red,
50/50 on keep / let go the oranges
Renew / Sign the ones in Green

Leaves us with space for
2 Goalkeepers
1 midfielder
2 / 3 attackers.

We’ll have Vente coming back to Hibs but I imagine we’ll be looking to sell him.

We’ll also have some deadwood returning from loan spells – Tavares & Delferrière.

[04Sauzee]

We have players returning from loan potentially, Tavares and Vente, we need to find a home for these guys.

[JohnM1875]

Boyle is the only one I'd keep.


We still need a major rebuild.

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I’d definitely offer Rocky a new deal, trigger Millers year and offer Boyle a year on reduced wages. But other than that happy for the rest to move on.

Obviously love to keep Triantis but can’t see that happening.

[Musselbound]

Loans
Myko
Triantis

Contracts expiring
Gayle
Hoillett
Rocky
C Cadden
Miller
Boyle

Not sure if I’ve missed anyone here but they are all players that get a decent bit of game time so there will be a bit of a rebuild to do. I’d probably be wanting to keep Boyle, Miller, Cadden, Rocky and Triantis and wouldn’t be opposed to keeping one of Gayle or Hoillett, don’t think we’ll need both though.

Pretty much with you on that. I'd also be OK with just one of Cadden and Miller staying and getting a replacement. Question marks over whether Rocky and Triantis will want to stay.

I think continuity is important, especially when the team is doing well, rather than ripping it up and starting again as many had imagined.

[number9dream]

Last chance to sell Youan and a Dutch bidding war for Vente would be nice... Will Obita want to stay as a back-up player?
Rocky has probably done enough over these past few months to earn a move and Triantis will surely want to play at a higher level.
McGrath arrival may spell the end for Hoilett, although I'd like to see more of him before this campaign is over.

[B.H.F.C]

I reckon we have a decent starting point now, with the players we have contracted.

A goalie who is, at least, competent. Defenders that, since the change to a three, are the same with Iredale being better than that IMO. Left hand side is fine. Midfielders who have done well at varying stages and finally have us looking more balanced, in a big way down to the manager using them properly, with McGrath still to come in. A centre forward who, when fit next year, I think is going to be quality.

We will need to add to replace what goes obviously, but that will always be the case at our level.

[Centre Hawf]

Loans
Myko - No, he's done okay for us at times but I think between his injuries and his general lack of return this season it might be best to not put too many eggs in this basket.
Triantis - If possible please. But at the same time I wouldn't look to go spend Luke McCowan money on him, but that's just me.

Contracts expiring
Gayle - Love him but probably not.
Hoillett - Similar to Gayle, clearly a good smart player but it's probably a season too far if we kept either of them on.
Rocky - If he wants to stay I'd have him, suspect he wants a new start though.
C Cadden - Keep, I think he's a very reliable player for this level.
Miller - Keep/Take 1 year option, I think he's really kicked on in this run and would be open to seeing how he gets on further.
Boyle - Keep/Take 1 year option, especially if we lose players like Hoilett and Youan in the summer we probably would need his type even if his age is creeping up.

[Donegal Hibby]

Loans
Myko - No, he's done okay for us at times but I think between his injuries and his general lack of return this season it might be best to not put too many eggs in this basket.
Triantis - If possible please. But at the same time I wouldn't look to go spend Luke McCowan money on him, but that's just me.

Contracts expiring
Gayle - Love him but probably not.
Hoillett - Similar to Gayle, clearly a good smart player but it's probably a season too far if we kept either of them on.
Rocky - If he wants to stay I'd have him, suspect he wants a new start though.
C Cadden - Keep, I think he's a very reliable player for this level.
Miller - Keep/Take 1 year option, I think he's really kicked on in this run and would be open to seeing how he gets on further.
Boyle - Keep/Take 1 year option, especially if we lose players like Hoilett and Youan in the summer we probably would need his type even if his age is creeping up.




Why CH would you not be willing to spend the McCowan money on Triantis as a matter of interest?

[SHODAN]

Stay: Ekpiteta, O'Hora, Manneh, Boyle, Smith, Iredale, N. Cadden, Bowie, Triantis, Johnson, Molotnikov, Whittaker
Maybe: Miller, Vente, Newell, C. Cadden, Obita, Moriah-Welsh, Megwa, Campbell, MacIntyre, McAllister, Aiken
Leave: Bursik, Levitt, Youan, Kwon, Hoilett, Kenneh, Boruc, Delferriere, Tavares, Gayle, Kuharevich, McClelland

[Centre Hawf]

Why CH would you not be willing to spend the McCowan money on Triantis as a matter of interest?

I'll be honest I didn't think it was particularly clever to perhaps spend that level of money on a single player at our level anyway. As much as I'd have liked the guy I think in hindsight spending £1m on another player when you see the hole our recruitment has left us in it maybe needs to be a bit more clever than that for a while.

I will concede though that at his age if we were to sign Triantis and he went on to play like he has been there is a high chance we flip him for £2/3m. If the club decide to do it then the player itself gets my thumbs up, I'm just wary of blowing too much of a budget on one player.

[Donegal Hibby]

I'll be honest I didn't think it was particularly clever to perhaps spend that level of money on a single player at our level anyway. As much as I'd have liked the guy I think in hindsight spending £1m on another player when you see the hole our recruitment has left us in it maybe needs to be a bit more clever than that for a while.

I will concede though that at his age if we were to sign Triantis and he went on to play like he has been there is a high chance we flip him for £2/3m. If the club decide to do it then the player itself gets my thumbs up, I'm just wary of blowing too much of a budget on one player.

That’s fair enough and thanks for answering . I see it if ( big IF ) we could get him for that it would be an outstanding piece of business that could prove very profitable in the future. I wonder if we had a signed McCowan would it have had a major effect on the summer budget considering the losses the club were aware of too . I do think we will see both Youan and Vente leave in the summer for decent money which would help as well.

[Centre Hawf]

That’s fair enough and thanks for answering . I see it if ( big IF ) we could get him for that it would be an outstanding piece of business that could prove very profitable in the future. I wonder if we had a signed McCowan would it have had a major effect on the summer budget considering the losses the club were aware of too . I do think we will see both Youan and Vente leave in the summer for decent money which would help as well.

Fingers crossed if we do then it will prove to be great business. There's just could end up being quite a large amount to be saddled with if he reverts back to how he performed outside of this unbeaten run we were on, but he is young and improving thankfully. But you only need to look at our need to go sell Vente, Elie, and Levitt to see that you can have the best part of £2m tied up in just three players that have had varying degrees of success at the club and risking having nothing to show for the outlay you put down for them.

The club will have known the losses and the situation it was in as it was happening and I've no real doubt that Ian Gordon always planned to cover the losses as they were creeping up. So in some ways the McCowan money is a bit separate to it despite my concerns. But I'm not sure we're a club that can afford to do these types of deals consistently without having the safety net of an owner happy to write it off.

[worcesterhibby]

That’s fair enough and thanks for answering . I see it if ( big IF ) we could get him for that it would be an outstanding piece of business that could prove very profitable in the future. I wonder if we had a signed McCowan would it have had a major effect on the summer budget considering the losses the club were aware of too . I do think we will see both Youan and Vente leave in the summer for decent money which would help as well.

I guess the difficulty is that we’ve already signed McGrath and Manneh to cover him leaving. I agree though, we should be signing Triantus if we can, but I doubt after the season he has had that Sunderland would be interested in £1 million. If he plays a few times for them and does ok, he’s immediately worth three or four times that amount.

[Donegal Hibby]

I guess the difficulty is that we’ve already signed McGrath and Manneh to cover him leaving. I agree though, we should be signing Triantus if we can, but I doubt after the season he has had that Sunderland would be interested in £1 million. If he plays a few times for them and does ok, he’s immediately worth three or four times that amount.

McGrath wasn’t signed to cover that area of the pitch mate as he’s a AM , more he will be challenging Campbell or maybe playing LW ,RW if needed . Manneh might be a more deep lying midfielder but Kwon will be leaving so we will probably need another midfielder. In saying that though…

You may very well be right about Sunderland not being interested in £1m for Triantis but if they don’t get up this season they will feel they have to spend on even better than him to reach the premier ( all ifs and buts I know ) …

I think we will try even though it looks unlikely to happen.

[PHeffernan]

Had a look at the squad and expect 16 of the current 24 man 1st team squad to return next summer. McGrath makes 17.

5 or 6 additional new players will arrive in the summer so not the rebuild some were speaking about*.
The likes of the MacIntyre brothers will bulk out the squad.
The five new players will be a goalkeeper, a centre half if Rocky goes, 2 forwards, a. n. other.

All the current loans will leave at the end of May along with Gayle and Hoillet plus those out of contact not mentioned below.
Youan and Vente will be sold. Tavares will find a new home no later than January.
The year options on Miller and Boyle will be taken in some form and it wouldn't surprise me if Miller signs an extended deal to allow the option of a future sale.
I get the feeling Rocky will decide to move on and Ekpiteta will take his place in the middle of the back 3.
C Cadden probably gets another contract given the flexability of Miller to play in the back 3.

The wild card is if we finish 3rd this season that will require a bigger playing squad and that could see a rethink on all of the above. Hearts and Aberdeen have died on their ***** in late November and throughout December as the Thursday, Sunday schedule took it's toll and Hibs would face the same challenge.

[Iain G]

Had a look at the squad and expect 16 of the current 24 man 1st team squad to return next summer. McGrath makes 17.

5 or 6 additional new players will arrive in the summer so not the rebuild some were speaking about*.
The likes of the MacIntyre brothers will bulk out the squad.
The five new players will be a goalkeeper, a centre half if Rocky goes, 2 forwards, a. n. other.

All the current loans will leave at the end of May along with Gayle and Hoillet plus those out of contact not mentioned below.
Youan and Vente will be sold. Tavares will find a new home no later than January.
The year options on Miller and Boyle will be taken in some form and it wouldn't surprise me if Miller signs an extended deal to allow the option of a future sale.
I get the feeling Rocky will decide to move on and Ekpiteta will take his place in the middle of the back 3.
C Cadden probably gets another contract given the flexability of Miller to play in the back 3.

The wild card is if we finish 3rd this season that will require a bigger playing squad and that could see a rethink on all of the above. Hearts and Aberdeen have died on their ***** in late November and throughout December as the Thursday, Sunday schedule took it's toll and Hibs would face the same challenge.

I think Boyle will leave and Miller could also go, and we need good cover at LWB for Nicky Cadden.

[Centre Hawf]

I think Boyle will leave and Miller could also go, and we need good cover at LWB for Nicky Cadden.

We will still have Obita for one more season so I don't think we'd go out and sign an new LWB/LB personally. I know he's not been the favoured option or performed well on Sunday but he's not played a lot of football and I've been usually happy to see him come in at LCB or LWB late in games for fresher legs.

[Hibernian Verse]

We will still have Obita for one more season so I don't think we'd go out and sign an new LWB/LB personally. I know he's not been the favoured option or performed well on Sunday but he's not played a lot of football and I've been usually happy to see him come in at LCB or LWB late in games for fresher legs.

Agree, the left hand side is fine. We can definitely improve at right wing back, there must be a right footed Nicky Cadden clone we can find at our level.

[Centre Hawf]

Agree, the left hand side is fine. We can definitely improve at right wing back, there must be a right footed Nicky Cadden clone we can find at our level.

I think RWB is an odd one, we can both improve but just easily sign worse imo. Chris Cadden is a safe no thrills option on that side that I think we'll end up retaining personally.

[Hibernian Verse]

I think RWB is an odd one, we can both improve but just easily sign worse imo. Chris Cadden is a safe no thrills option on that side that I think we'll end up retaining personally.

I think Cadden will stay as well but if we can sign better we should. Miller slots in nicely at RCB so I'd keep him as well.

[Centre Hawf]

I think Cadden will stay as well but if we can sign better we should. Miller slots in nicely at RCB so I'd keep him as well.

Yeah I agree. I think as someone said in a previous post we'll likely take the Miller option or give him a new deal entirely to see if we can sell him anyway.

[Not In The Know]

Cadden, Miller & Boyle are worth keeping.
Triantis likely will fancy England.
Ricky while nice guy and a cult now is still to clumsy at times and error prone.

I thought Nectar would be a stuck on to leave. If any scouts etc watched him on Sunday we have a good chance of keeping him.

Also if we have an option on Boyle it will no doubt be on the same wages he’s on at the moment (rumoured very high). I don’t think he’d be worth that.

[hibsforeurope]

Of those currently at the club (from the website 1st team list) next season we'll have:

GK - Smith

RWB -

LWB - Obita (possibly LCH?), N Cadden

CD - Ekipteta, O'hora, Iredale,

CM - Levitt, Manneh, Newall, Moriah-Welsh, Campbell, Molotnikov

FW - Youan, Bowie,

Loan returnees: Vente (likely sold), Megwa, Delferriere, Taveres

As mentioned i'd sign Miller as a RCH, Boyle will likely depend on him agreeing reduced terms. Cadden is a solid option so i'd probably look to keep him with the view of getting in a better starting option. I think Rocky has options better than Hibs now.

Would Obita be happy with a bit part role again next season, he may look to move on to get regular games.

I would also look to move on all the loan players listed above.

Looking at that list there's still a need to improve every area of the team for next season, even with McGrath coming in.

[Donegal Hibby]

We will still have Obita for one more season so I don't think we'd go out and sign an new LWB/LB personally. I know he's not been the favoured option or performed well on Sunday but he's not played a lot of football and I've been usually happy to see him come in at LCB or LWB late in games for fresher legs.

Never been won over by Obita TBH , defensively think he’s quite poor and is better when in attack . The thing about him is , what age is he now .. 31 , 32? And he probably wouldn’t be playing when everyone’s fit . I just wonder might he want regular football at his age and could we get better? .

[jacomo]

Loans
Myko - No, he's done okay for us at times but I think between his injuries and his general lack of return this season it might be best to not put too many eggs in this basket.
Triantis - If possible please. But at the same time I wouldn't look to go spend Luke McCowan money on him, but that's just me.

Contracts expiring
Gayle - Love him but probably not.
Hoillett - Similar to Gayle, clearly a good smart player but it's probably a season too far if we kept either of them on.
Rocky - If he wants to stay I'd have him, suspect he wants a new start though.
C Cadden - Keep, I think he's a very reliable player for this level.
Miller - Keep/Take 1 year option, I think he's really kicked on in this run and would be open to seeing how he gets on further.
Boyle - Keep/Take 1 year option, especially if we lose players like Hoilett and Youan in the summer we probably would need his type even if his age is creeping up.





Generally I agree, not too fussed about Miller but if Rocky leaves then some consistency in defence in welcome.

One of Hoillet / Gayle would be good for another year.

Definitely want Boyle to stay, his form has been really good of late.

[Alfred E Newman]

Our annual rebuild.

[Centre Hawf]

Generally I agree, not too fussed about Miller but if Rocky leaves then some consistency in defence in welcome.

One of Hoillet / Gayle would be good for another year.

Definitely want Boyle to stay, his form has been really good of late.

I like both Hoilett and Gayle, so wouldn't be totally against them staying. But I feel the same about the two of them as I did ALF last year in that they're both going to be a year older and have been showing signs of age as is, Gayle has even spoken about calling it quits himself. How much budget do you put into someone that is currently 50/50 on if his body has another year in him?

People doubted ALF's release but the guys since went off to play in the Conference North level. I personally thought the same when Holt left at the time, but the guy went on to struggle to play even at that level let alone make the step up to the Premiership for us. If the physical decline can be spotted by our staff then we should probably take opportunity to thank them for their service and move on while everyone remembers how lovely a spell it was having them instead of it becoming a bit of a drain on our budget.

[WhileTheChief..]

We don’t have players I’d be desperate to keep, so I’m happy for anyone to move on.

Hoping Gray will be ruthless in the summer making big changes to the squad where he sees fit.

[JohnM1875]

Think it’ll depend on whether we get the guaranteed group stage football. If we do, I can see a few out of contract players being offered extensions to bulk out the squad.

Really don’t think we have the finances to build a squad good enough to compete in Europe and domestically if we don’t keep a few of them.

[Vini1875]

We have the decent bones of a team, but we should be looking to spend the money from a third placed Euro adventure to really strengthen the squad to the tune of £5M or there abouts to really push for back to back third place finishes. DG has proved in he can mold a team and most of the players we have can play at the level of the third best team. When you are in a good place, that is the time to strengthen. I think if he gets some budget gaurantees DG will be ruthless in regards to who he keeps and who he lets go. We have spent a lot of money in the past and my hope is that with wiser heads in charge, we can spend decent money and get a good return.

[worcesterhibby]

We don’t have players I’d be desperate to keep, so I’m happy for anyone to move on.

Hoping Gray will be ruthless in the summer making big changes to the squad where he sees fit.

only at Hibs.net could we have just gone on a historic, record breaking unbeaten run for half a season, moving up the table from dead last to 3rd having beaten Celtic and hearts twice.. and still people post that we don’t have any players they are desperate to keep. Who do you actually expect us to sign next season.. ? would you honestly “be happy” for players like Nicky Cadden, Kieron Bowie and Jack Iredale to “move on” ?

I’m flabbergasted

[Dashing Bob S]

How about this: everyone of them is replaceable is we can bring in somebody better, none of them are if we can't?

[keep the faith]

Boyle is the only one I'd keep.


We still need a major rebuild.

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What!!

You not enjoying watching this team?

Teams with this attitude and spirit dont come around often. We need to keep it together if we possibly can.

If we can move on Youan and Vente for ddcent money we should then try to tie down Triantis, Rocky, Boyle and miller. Vital to the team and big personalities too.

I would hold on to junior for another year also. Such a clever player to bring into games late. Real calm as well as ability.

[Thatdayinmay16]

We don’t have players I’d be desperate to keep, so I’m happy for anyone to move on.

Hoping Gray will be ruthless in the summer making big changes to the squad where he sees fit.

What a strange take.

[WhileTheChief..]

only at Hibs.net could we have just gone on a historic, record breaking unbeaten run for half a season, moving up the table from dead last to 3rd having beaten Celtic and hearts twice.. and still people post that we don’t have any players they are desperate to keep. Who do you actually expect us to sign next season.. ? would you honestly “be happy” for players like Nicky Cadden, Kieron Bowie and Jack Iredale to “move on” ?

I’m flabbergasted

If any player doesn't want to be here, including these three, then so be it. It's unlikely though, as they've only just joined us and seem happy here.

But if Gray wants to replace any of them, I'm fully behind him.

Having a quick look at the squad on the Hibs website and I won't lose any sleep if any of the following leave in the summer. I'm hoping most of them are replaced.

Bursik
Boruc
Expiteta
Obita
Levitt
Newell
Kwon
Moriah-Welsh
Youan
Hoilett
Kuhareevich

There are five players out on loan, I'd let them all go...

Vente
Kenneh
Megwa
Delferrier
Tavares

[Jock O]

If any player doesn't want to be here, including these three, then so be it. It's unlikely though, as they've only just joined us and seem happy here.

But if Gray wants to replace any of them, I'm fully behind him.

Having a quick look at the squad on the Hibs website and I won't lose any sleep if any of the following leave in the summer. I'm hoping most of them are replaced.

Bursik
Boruc
Expiteta
Obita
Levitt
Newell
Kwon
Moriah-Welsh
Youan
Hoilett
Kuhareevich

There are five players out on loan, I'd let them all go...

Vente
Kenneh
Megwa
Delferrier
Tavares

As Roy Race once said when asked about big changes to his squad when taking over Melchester, real football is not like FIFA son, you need to be realistic.....

[Jock O]

How about this: everyone of them is replaceable is we can bring in somebody better, none of them are if we can't?

I think that is the key to us moving forward, and that means we need to be both ruthless and realistic, and it is likely to be a heavily prioritised exercise.

Not sure if anyone in current squad is actually irreplaceable, but when we work out key requirements, like having to replace most of the forward line, to replace Triantis, to supplement Newell who will probably not play every game going forward, potentially to replace Rocky, to increase the depth in the squad, and maybe some different type of players to allow us to mix things a bit more, its a big list, that I think we will need to prioritise, that probably means keeping a number of the names above happy to keep a good squad together.

Assuming the minimum requirement is players at least as good as what we have, and 3 or 4 players to significantly improve what we have, all of that requires a significant budget, players willing to come with no guarantee of a starting place based on current form, and our recruitment team finding the right mix of all this to move forward. I have said before I do not think it will be easy at all to convince players at an improved standard to come to Hibs. Third place and Europe would be a huge draw I would think, but then can we wait till that is sorted before approaching the players we want?

I would imagine its been a huge paper exercise till now, as time approaches I assume subtle approaches to agents will be underway, and then its damned hard haggling. And to be fair it looks like we have started already with the two guys in looking to replace/improve on current positions.

I have said before we are at best competing with English league one, and I am not sure how easy even that is, which is why I assume more teams are going outside UK, but just throwing everyone out and looking for improvements is crazy. As people have said Cadden and Miller arguably are both in the replace column, however at this level over a season both have proved to be good enough for large chunks of the time. Miller has definitely improved, and Cadden is still a solid pro at this level, sometimes I think he exceeds that but age is maybe starting to creep in. If keeping both means we can get a really top quality forward in and an improvement on Rocky, which will be far harder than most people seem to think, then I think that is a good priority call. And the right one. Gradually improving our current squad is definitely the key to me this year. Or even if keeping them means we can give Rocky enough to keep him, then that is an even better call for me.

Random lets get rid of everyone that hasn't played to their peak this year is just a really dangerous approach for me. I actually think its going to be one of the hardest calls for the management team this year and them getting it right is just as important as it has been when we have been in the doldrums.

[Centre Hawf]

If any player doesn't want to be here, including these three, then so be it. It's unlikely though, as they've only just joined us and seem happy here.

But if Gray wants to replace any of them, I'm fully behind him.

Having a quick look at the squad on the Hibs website and I won't lose any sleep if any of the following leave in the summer. I'm hoping most of them are replaced.

Bursik
Boruc
Expiteta
Obita
Levitt
Newell
Kwon
Moriah-Welsh
Youan
Hoilett
Kuhareevich

There are five players out on loan, I'd let them all go...

Vente
Kenneh
Megwa
Delferrier
Tavares

The ones in bold right now don't feel like realistic movers. I think Ekpiteta will be a more natural Rocky replacement, Obita as said above will likely see out his final year with us, Newell by all accounts seems settled here and has a year left, and NMW feels like he's played his way into the conversation with his recent performances.

[PHeffernan]

The ones in bold right now don't feel like realistic movers. I think Ekpiteta will be a more natural Rocky replacement, Obita as said above will likely see out his final year with us, Newell by all accounts seems settled here and has a year left, and NMW feels like he's played his way into the conversation with his recent performances.

Newell has 2 seasons left.

[Donegal Hibby]

The ones in bold right now don't feel like realistic movers. I think Ekpiteta will be a more natural Rocky replacement, Obita as said above will likely see out his final year with us, Newell by all accounts seems settled here and has a year left, and NMW feels like he's played his way into the conversation with his recent performances.

Maybe Ekpiteta is a more natural replacement for Rocky , personally I think Rocky is a better player , Ekpiteta is probably better in the air/ header of the ball but Rocky better with the ball at his feet , maybe quicker more agile possibly?🤔…

I’m beginning to think he will go but at the same time hope he stays as him and Iredale are our two best defenders IMO . As to the squad I think if we keep four of the players coming out of contract the rebuild isn’t as big as most of us initially thought it would need to be …

I think retaining the bulk of our squad is important with the spirit and character it shown , maybe adding a bit more quality like we have done with the signing of McGrath is all it needs in certain areas ..

I find it a bit funny how wrong I was in the 3 signings I was most excited about have been the one’s that have been disappointing so far and the 3 ones I wasn’t overly excited about have really been 3 of our star performers 🤭

[PHeffernan]

I think that is the key to us moving forward, and that means we need to be both ruthless and realistic, and it is likely to be a heavily prioritised exercise.

Not sure if anyone in current squad is actually irreplaceable, but when we work out key requirements, like having to replace most of the forward line, to replace Triantis, to supplement Newell who will probably not play every game going forward, potentially to replace Rocky, to increase the depth in the squad, and maybe some different type of players to allow us to mix things a bit more, its a big list, that I think we will need to prioritise, that probably means keeping a number of the names above happy to keep a good squad together.

Assuming the minimum requirement is players at least as good as what we have, and 3 or 4 players to significantly improve what we have, all of that requires a significant budget, players willing to come with no guarantee of a starting place based on current form, and our recruitment team finding the right mix of all this to move forward. I have said before I do not think it will be easy at all to convince players at an improved standard to come to Hibs. Third place and Europe would be a huge draw I would think, but then can we wait till that is sorted before approaching the players we want?

I would imagine its been a huge paper exercise till now, as time approaches I assume subtle approaches to agents will be underway, and then its damned hard haggling. And to be fair it looks like we have started already with the two guys in looking to replace/improve on current positions.

I have said before we are at best competing with English league one, and I am not sure how easy even that is, which is why I assume more teams are going outside UK, but just throwing everyone out and looking for improvements is crazy. As people have said Cadden and Miller arguably are both in the replace column, however at this level over a season both have proved to be good enough for large chunks of the time. Miller has definitely improved, and Cadden is still a solid pro at this level, sometimes I think he exceeds that but age is maybe starting to creep in. If keeping both means we can get a really top quality forward in and an improvement on Rocky, which will be far harder than most people seem to think, then I think that is a good priority call. And the right one. Gradually improving our current squad is definitely the key to me this year. Or even if keeping them means we can give Rocky enough to keep him, then that is an even better call for me.

Random lets get rid of everyone that hasn't played to their peak this year is just a really dangerous approach for me. I actually think its going to be one of the hardest calls for the management team this year and them getting it right is just as important as it has been when we have been in the doldrums.

Very good post :aok:

I think we are looking at a similar window to last summer with another batch of solid pro's arriving at Easter Road from the level of the English 3rd tier.
Another incremental improvement.

I'm almost certain Hibs will pick up the year option on Miller even if it's just to give them the option of selling him this summer. It's more likely they will try to extend his contract beyond the year to allow him to improve further and be sold in summer 2026. The guy plays well in the big games and can readily play two positions so he will be at Hibs next season.

The interesting player not being discussed is Dylan Levitt. Like Youan and Vente his contract ends in 14 months time and Hibs won't want to lose him for nothing.
The problem is he is still a sub so do we sell him now and get buttons or does Gray have enough faith that he will play more often moving forward.
In that case, would Hibs offer him an extra year with a view to him showing up better next season and being sold in summer 2026 for a better fee?
The joy of contracts and transfer fees.

[The Modfather]

What!!

You not enjoying watching this team?

Teams with this attitude and spirit dont come around often. We need to keep it together if we possibly can.

If we can move on Youan and Vente for ddcent money we should then try to tie down Triantis, Rocky, Boyle and miller. Vital to the team and big personalities too.

I would hold on to junior for another year also. Such a clever player to bring into games late. Real calm as well as ability.

I’d sound a note of caution on that point. We’ve seen Aberdeen under Robson, and Hearts last season go on similar runs/similar attitude and spirit, only to both fall off a cliff again the following season. Other than taking up year options to beef up the squad as a result of guaranteed group stage football on options I’d otherwise not have taken up. I’d look at signing the likes of Iredale & N Cadden and hope we are finally in a place to not have to make do with players like Miller & C Cadden.

For me, I think we should enjoy this season and what we’re seeing and then continue the planned rebuild. Moving on Cadden, Miller, Boyle, Gayle, Hoilet & the loans. Rocky & Triantis I’d like to keep but don’t think either will be here next season.

[B.H.F.C]

I’d sound a note of caution on that point. We’ve seen Aberdeen under Robson, and Hearts last season go on similar runs/similar attitude and spirit, only to both fall off a cliff again the following season. Other than taking up year options to beef up the squad as a result of guaranteed group stage football on options I’d otherwise not have taken up. I’d look at signing the likes of Iredale & N Cadden and hope we are finally in a place to not have to make do with players like Miller & C Cadden.

For me, I think we should enjoy this season and what we’re seeing and then continue the planned rebuild. Moving on Cadden, Miller, Boyle, Gayle, Hoilet & the loans. Rocky & Triantis I’d like to keep but don’t think either will be here next season.

Agree with this. We’ve done really well to get in to the position we’re in. We need to finish the job off this season and then I still think there are some big, big decisions to be made in the summer. With what we have under contract I think there is a decent base.

We’ve seen what a bit of team spirit and momentum can do. We’ve also had a couple of things go our way which you need, it’s impossible to go on a run like that without it so I’m not saying we’ve been lucky or anything like that. I think we’ll retain one or two of those you mention but not all. We’ll need to free up space for improvements, Aberdeen in particular is a good example for me when they went on the run they did under Robson.

[Donegal Hibby]

I’d sound a note of caution on that point. We’ve seen Aberdeen under Robson, and Hearts last season go on similar runs/similar attitude and spirit, only to both fall off a cliff again the following season. Other than taking up year options to beef up the squad as a result of guaranteed group stage football on options I’d otherwise not have taken up. I’d look at signing the likes of Iredale & N Cadden and hope we are finally in a place to not have to make do with players like Miller & C Cadden.

For me, I think we should enjoy this season and what we’re seeing and then continue the planned rebuild. Moving on Cadden, Miller, Boyle, Gayle, Hoilet & the loans. Rocky & Triantis I’d like to keep but don’t think either will be here next season.

Interesting you mention the good runs Aberdeen and hertz have had compared to ours , hertz under Naismith had an incredible run where they were winning quite a few games by a narrowest of margins and it always felt they would eventually come unstuck..

Without checking I have a feeling Robson was the same as Thelin has been too . Aberdeen under Thelin were on a incredible run at the start of the season but again a fair few of their wins by a narrow margin ( about 6 out of their 9 victories was by a single goal at the start )…

Since the Aberdeen 3-3 game we have won a fair few games 2–0 , 3-1 , 3-0 etc . I’m not sure if our runs really the same as hertz and Aberdeens were even though we have won a few games like Celtic, hertz twice and Killie by a single goal.

[Unseen work]

For how good we’ve been this past 15 games and how good the team spirit seems I’m quite surprised that some want rid of some very valuable players.

They might not be starters, but are very important to the unity and standards within the squad, whilst still providing a very good option or backup

[B.H.F.C]

For how good we’ve been this past 15 games and how good the team spirit seems I’m quite surprised that some want rid of some very valuable players.

They might not be starters, but are very important to the unity and standards within the squad, whilst still providing a very good option or backup

In terms of those that have been involved, I wouldn’t say there is anybody I’d desperately want rid of. I think there is a case to be made for most, individually.

But I do think we need to look beyond the last 15 games as well. You’ve got some players who are playing their best football when their contract is just about up, do they become comfortable if renewed? The age and fitness of some comes in to question. Then I think it depends on how Gray is looking to play as well. Hoilett, for instance, has filled in here and there but he’s is a wide player. If we’re continuing to set up a certain way then does someone like him justify a contract for a few minutes here and there.

Loads of things to consider IMO. Think there is always going to be a bit of a turnover where we’re concerned but, even if some do go, I don’t feel like we’re ripping up the team and starting again this year.

[BoomtownHibees]

Chris Cadden has signed a new 2-year contract

[Northernhibee]

Chris Cadden has signed a new 2-year contract

Great news.

[HendoDelivered]

Chris Cadden has signed a new 2-year contract

Good news this for me !

[hibsforeurope]

Sensible move, keeping a bit of continuity in an area of the team that has performed well during our good run.

[jeffers]

Great news.

Can’t agree. He isn’t a great defender, can’t remember too many assists from him either.

[hibsforeurope]

Can’t agree. He isn’t a great defender, can’t remember too many assists from him either.

He's not the player he was pre injury but he's still a good option and miles ahead of Whitaker and Megwa. i would assume we will still look to bring in a 1st choice RWB.

[B.H.F.C]

Cadden is all right if we intend to keep playing this shape.

If we change at any point I think he’s a poor full back and not good enough to play further forward.

Still think we need to strengthen that side of the park.

[500miles]

Solid Premiership level player.

Megwa isn't.

Whittaker has a while to go before we know.

[JohnM1875]

Can’t agree. He isn’t a great defender, can’t remember too many assists from him either.

Fine with him staying as a backup. But it’s absolutely a position we need to improve in for me.

Guessing we won’t be keeping Miller then, or we see him as an RCB now.

[Keepthefaith]

Cadden is a decent squad player but the quality of his crossing could IMO be improved on. also makes me wonder what the plan is for miller and mega - I think McKay had said that we were looking at having 3 for every position - 2 competing for the position and a youngster, just wondering if megwa would see it that way after being given a 4 year deal and never been anywhere near the first team really.

does make you wonder where the improvements are going to be made in the squad as I did think madden may be one to let go. potentially at centre half (think we'll move ekpiteta on as not good enough with the ball at his feet) and think we will sign another first choice keeper to challenge smith. another top striker and a wide man too probably on the list, with midfield looking better with manneh, McGrath (hopefully triantis!) and both Rudi and potentially Jacob McIntyre to come into the team / squad more.

[Donegal Hibby]

Cadden is a decent squad player but the quality of his crossing could IMO be improved on. also makes me wonder what the plan is for miller and mega - I think McKay had said that we were looking at having 3 for every position - 2 competing for the position and a youngster, just wondering if megwa would see it that way after being given a 4 year deal and never been anywhere near the first team really.

does make you wonder where the improvements are going to be made in the squad as I did think madden may be one to let go. potentially at centre half (think we'll move ekpiteta on as not good enough with the ball at his feet) and think we will sign another first choice keeper to challenge smith. another top striker and a wide man too probably on the list, with midfield looking better with manneh, McGrath (hopefully triantis!) and both Rudi and potentially Jacob McIntyre to come into the team / squad more.

How many starts has Chris Cadden had this season in the 29 League games so far ?

[PHeffernan]

Cadden is a decent squad player but the quality of his crossing could IMO be improved on. also makes me wonder what the plan is for miller and mega - I think McKay had said that we were looking at having 3 for every position - 2 competing for the position and a youngster, just wondering if megwa would see it that way after being given a 4 year deal and never been anywhere near the first team really.

does make you wonder where the improvements are going to be made in the squad as I did think madden may be one to let go. potentially at centre half (think we'll move ekpiteta on as not good enough with the ball at his feet) and think we will sign another first choice keeper to challenge smith. another top striker and a wide man too probably on the list, with midfield looking better with manneh, McGrath (hopefully triantis!) and both Rudi and potentially Jacob McIntyre to come into the team / squad more.

Anyone that did their research knew that Ekpiteta wasn't going to be good on the ball. He is an out and out defender and a very good one with both head and feet. Mackay would have known all this when he recruited him so it won't have come as some great surprise that he is no Beckenbauer on the baw so Hibs won't move him on for that.
The biggest issue with Ekpiteta is he appears to take a few games to get his eye in after a lay off or at the start of a season.
Reckon we are far more likely to see Bushiri move on this summer than Ekpiteta who will be his replacement.

[Ronniekirk]

I thought Nectar would be a stuck on to leave. If any scouts etc watched him on Sunday we have a good chance of keeping him.

Also if we have an option on Boyle it will no doubt be on the same wages he’s on at the moment (rumoured very high). I don’t think he’d be worth that.

14 goals this season so far
It’s fine to say get him off wage bill but csn we find someone with his speed and goal return

[SteveHFC]

The way Boyle thumped the badge on his shirt after goal make me think he won't be going anywhere

[Ribs1875]

Boyle and Bushiri are two I'd keep and the rest can go.

Realistically Youan is someone we should move on. Then Vente there is an opportunity to sell for good money. I wouldn't be sad to see the back of folk like Campbell or Newell as there are better options out there that could take us to the next level.

We'll need a new goalkeeper to challenge Smith. Definitely need at least 2 strikers.

[A Hi-Bee]

What kind of players do we want, Winners.

[Stuart93]

We need a goal scorer

Our out & out strikers don’t score enough goals

[Ribs1875]

Everyone on here got defensive a while back ago with me for wanting Nisbet back. I still stand by that. He would be suited to our current system and score for fun. He is wasted at Aberdeen and so what if his attitude isn't the best.

[keep the faith]

Everyone on here got defensive a while back ago with me for wanting Nisbet back. I still stand by that. He would be suited to our current system and score for fun. He is wasted at Aberdeen and so what if his attitude isn't the best.

Not for me. Good attitude is huge. Being a team player is huge.

[Ribs1875]

Not for me. Good attitude is huge. Being a team player is huge.

We've had worse on our books over the years. He hasn't cut the mustard down south, which was no surprise. I still rather we sign someone like that, even if he is an individual player. It resembles Scott Allan situation all over again. Certain players are suitable to certain clubs.

[LunasBoots]

Everyone on here got defensive a while back ago with me for wanting Nisbet back. I still stand by that. He would be suited to our current system and score for fun. He is wasted at Aberdeen and so what if his attitude isn't the best.

Possibly, not sure he suits the criteria that MaKay spoke about at the AGM.

[marinello59]

Everyone on here got defensive a while back ago with me for wanting Nisbet back. I still stand by that. He would be suited to our current system and score for fun. He is wasted at Aberdeen and so what if his attitude isn't the best.

It’s his attitude that will rule out a return for him. Fitting in with the dressing room is one of the attributes expected of new players. He wasn’t the most popular player at the club last time here.

[StockholmHibs]

For once it's not so black and white who we should move on or keep.
This is decent squad of players delivering above there ability.
We shouldn't change the squad too much. 3rd place coming in and pumped hearts at will.
What's not to like?

[Forza Fred]

Why CH would you not be willing to spend the McCowan money on Triantis as a matter of interest?

I would be extremely surprised if Triantis signed permanently for us.

At this end of the globe Scottish football is seen as somewhere to START a player’s European adventure…..a foot in the door if you like.

Triantis may leave Sunderland in a season or so, but pretty sure he’d see his longer term future in England.

The above obviously based solely on my observations/opinion.

[Donegal Hibby]

I would be extremely surprised if Triantis signed permanently for us.

At this end of the globe Scottish football is seen as somewhere to START a player’s European adventure…..a foot in the door if you like.

Triantis may leave Sunderland in a season or so, but pretty sure he’d see his longer term future in England.

The above obviously based solely on my observations/opinion.

I think it’s unlikely to happen Fred but he’s at a club now where the manager rates him and he’s improving and developing into a fine player , with Gray rating him and wanting him back I think we will try to sign him and maybe push the boat out in doing so …

I agree with what your saying about a foot in the door and him seeing his longer term future in England but I’ve been thinking on this in .. if Sunderland don’t get up will they see a 21 year old playing in Scottish football as a player who will help them achieve getting to the premier league or will they spend big money in trying to get there?.

Which makes me wonder if another season or two at Hibs where he’s playing regularly be more beneficial in helping him achieve his potential and ambitions as a footballer. I think at his age he’s got time on his side .

[Forza Fred]

I think it’s unlikely to happen Fred but he’s at a club now where the manager rates him and he’s improving and developing into a fine player , with Gray rating him and wanting him back I think we will try to sign him and maybe push the boat out in doing so …

I agree with what your saying about a foot in the door and him seeing his longer term future in England but I’ve been thinking on this in .. if Sunderland don’t get up will they see a 21 year old playing in Scottish football as a player who will help them achieve getting to the premier league or will they spend big money in trying to get there?.

Which makes me wonder if another season or two at Hibs where he’s playing regularly be more beneficial in helping him achieve his potential and ambitions as a footballer. I think at his age he’s got time on his side .

I’m no expert on loan deals but I would expect that after a season in Scotland, Sunderland would probably be looking to introduce him to English football next time if he goes on loan.

[PHeffernan]

I would be extremely surprised if Triantis signed permanently for us.

At this end of the globe Scottish football is seen as somewhere to START a player’s European adventure…..a foot in the door if you like.

Triantis may leave Sunderland in a season or so, but pretty sure he’d see his longer term future in England.

The above obviously based solely on my observations/opinion.

Agree that Triantis won't be back given he has proved himself at our level which is equivalent to the top end of the English 3rd tier.
Sunderland will look to benchmark him in the English Championship next whether that is with them or a team in the bottom half of that league like Preston.
They have him under contract for another 2 seasons so will have a good look at him in pre-season and decide what the next move is but it's not gonna be back to Scotland in the short term.
He is 22 in May (9 months younger than Bowie), improving and getting stronger.
Ryan Porteous, Harry Clarke and Will Fish who have all played for Hibs in recent years are in the Championship this season and Triantis looks a similar level with the same physicality that is required to play at that level. It will be interesting to see how he gets on next season.

[Donegal Hibby]

I’m no expert on loan deals but I would expect that after a season in Scotland, Sunderland would probably be looking to introduce him to English football next time if he goes on loan.

Neither am I Fred and that’s a fair enough point about introducing him to English football if he were to go on loan again… just off the topic of Triantis . I seem to remember an Aussie winger / attacker that went to England I thought looked good and was wondering if he’s in the national team as I’ve not heard much about him since he went to England?

[PHeffernan]

Neither am I Fred and that’s a fair enough point about introducing him to English football if he were to go on loan again… just off the topic of Triantis . I seem to remember an Aussie winger / attacker that went to England I thought looked good and was wondering if he’s in the national team as I’ve not heard much about him since he went to England?

Samuel Silvera?

Moved to Middlesbrough and i believe he has been sent out on loan to Blackpool in the 3rd tier. He's 24 so not a kid.
He's not in the current Australia squad.

[Forza Fred]

Samuel Silvera?

Moved to Middlesbrough and i believe he has been sent out on loan to Blackpool in the 3rd tier. He's 24 so not a kid.
He's not in the current Australia squad.

Yep…..never really lived up to some expectations I guess.

[Callum_62]

Yep…..never really lived up to some expectations I guess.He was meant to be with us in January btw

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[Donegal Hibby]

Yep…..never really lived up to some expectations I guess.

That’s why I think sometimes a move like that isn’t necessarily a good thing . At Triantis age he could very well stay a season or two at Hibs which might be more beneficial to him and then move to the championship at 23 ,24 . Depends on Sunderland and the player though.

[PHeffernan]

That’s why I think sometimes a move like that isn’t necessarily a good thing . At Triantis age he could very well stay a season or two at Hibs which might be more beneficial to him and then move to the championship at 23 ,24 . Depends on Sunderland and the player though.

The difference between Triantes and Championship failures like Silveri and the guy Okkels who is now on loan at Aberdeen is one of physicality.
The last 3 young players to play for Hibs that currently play in the English Championship are Porteous, Clarke and Fish. All big strong guys and so is Triantis.
The Championship is a league of power, height and athleticism.

Like Fish, Triantis will have played 18 months of football at Hibs. Both have benefitted massively from being at Hibs and Hibs have benefitted massively from them being here but they were never staying if they were a success.
The SPL is a great place to send good quality young players and Hibs is better than most.

P.S. Fish moved to Cardiff for a £1million with the value of the transfer potentially rising to £3m.
Man United also included a buyback option and a 30 per cent sell on clause.

[BILLYHIBS]

Was expecting Zico at right back and not Chris Cadden

I know Zico is 72 but still ?

[Billy Whizz]

The difference between Triantes and Championship failures like Silveri and the guy Okkels who is now on loan at Aberdeen is one of physicality.
The last 3 players to play for Hibs that currently play in the English Championship are Porteous, Clarke and Fish. All big strong guys and so is Triantis. The Championship is a league of power, height and athleticism.

Like Fish, Triantis will have played 18 months of football at Hibs. Both have benefitted massively from being at Hibs and Hibs have benefitted from them being here but they were never staying if they were a success.
The SPL is a great place to send good quality young players and Hibs is better than most.

I don’t disagree. Fish’s career has gone backwards this season, maybe moved on too early
As for Triantis, whatever he/Sunderland decide, he won’t be playing for his country is he’s on the bench most weeks

[PHeffernan]

I don’t disagree. Fish’s career has gone backwards this season, maybe moved on too early
As for Triantis, whatever he/Sunderland decide, he won’t be playing for his country is he’s on the bench most weeks

I wouldn't say Fish's career has gone backwards.
He has gone up a level this season and like his first season at Hibs it has taken him until January to get in the team.
He has played in 10 of Cardiff's last 11 league games. Just turned 22 a month ago so he is still on course.

Most of Australia's player are English 3rd tier level so if Triantis is on loan and playing at the likes of Preston next season he will easily make the Aussie squad.

[Fifeshirehibs]

Disappointed at Smith and Cadden extensions, desperately hoping they are no 2s in respective positions and management team don't think they are the best they can get in two problem positions for us. Rocky and Miller are the two we should extend and possibly won't.If we give up 3rd place from here then 'Hibsed it' is for real.

[Unseen work]

Disappointed at Smith and Cadden extensions, desperately hoping they are no 2s in respective positions and management team don't think they are the best they can get in two problem positions for us. Rocky and Miller are the two we should extend and possibly won't.If we give up 3rd place from here then 'Hibsed it' is for real.

😂😂

[Keepthefaith]

Disappointed at Smith and Cadden extensions, desperately hoping they are no 2s in respective positions and management team don't think they are the best they can get in two problem positions for us. Rocky and Miller are the two we should extend and possibly won't.If we give up 3rd place from here then 'Hibsed it' is for real.

so the spot the yam competition is pretty easy this week eh? bore off eh -no genuine Hibs fan uses that expression.

[hibsbollah]

Disappointed at Smith and Cadden extensions, desperately hoping they are no 2s in respective positions and management team don't think they are the best they can get in two problem positions for us. Rocky and Miller are the two we should extend and possibly won't.If we give up 3rd place from here then 'Hibsed it' is for real.

Smith is the second best keeper playing in Scotland this season.
Craig Gordon can barely move anymore and will be shortly sent off to the glue factory.
Worry about your own team.

[Onceinawhile]

Smith is the second best keeper playing in Scotland this season.
Craig Gordon can barely move anymore and will be shortly sent off to the glue factory.
Worry about your own team.

2nd best save % doesn't = 2nd best keeper.

[Donegal Hibby]

2nd best save % doesn't = 2nd best keeper.

Would put the OF keepers ahead of him but wouldn’t swap him for any of the other first team keeper in the league.. Smudge has been brilliant since coming in as our #1 .

[HoboHarry]

Disappointed at Smith and Cadden extensions, desperately hoping they are no 2s in respective positions and management team don't think they are the best they can get in two problem positions for us. Rocky and Miller are the two we should extend and possibly won't.If we give up 3rd place from here then 'Hibsed it' is for real.

:doh:

[Fifeshirehibs]

so the spot the yam competition is pretty easy this week eh? bore off eh -no genuine Hibs fan uses that expression.
Gulp been going for 60 years, it's in inverted commas.

[jacomo]

Disappointed at Smith and Cadden extensions, desperately hoping they are no 2s in respective positions and management team don't think they are the best they can get in two problem positions for us. Rocky and Miller are the two we should extend and possibly won't.If we give up 3rd place from here then 'Hibsed it' is for real.


:jamboclow

You've not secured top six yet pal, that should be more of an issue for ya.

Edinburgh's Big Team my a***.

[seanshow]

Disappointed at Smith and Cadden extensions, desperately hoping they are no 2s in respective positions and management team don't think they are the best they can get in two problem positions for us. Rocky and Miller are the two we should extend and possibly won't.If we give up 3rd place from here then 'Hibsed it' is for real.


I didn't know the yams liked fishing...kinda landlocked in that midden lol.
:fishin:

Ill agree with you though on one point Rocky should get a new deal asap :aok:

[Since90+2]

Would put the OF keepers ahead of him but wouldn’t swap him for any of the other first team keeper in the league.. Smudge has been brilliant since coming in as our #1 .

Celtic and Sevco both have better keepers, and even at his age id probably still rather have Gordon to be honest.

Mitov at Aberdeen had a great start to the season and done well at St Johnstone too although I think his form tailed off and he got injured.

[Donegal Hibby]

Celtic and Sevco both have better keepers, and even at his age id probably still rather have Gordon to be honest.

Mitov at Aberdeen had a great start to the season and done well at St Johnstone too although I think his form tailed off and he got injured.

My own opinion on Gordon from what I seen of him is he’s on the decline , reactions slower etc .. absolutely outstanding keeper in his day but away past his best and I think that’s beginning to show now thankfully.

[Centre Hawf]

Interesting list of player out of contract in the Championship, can't say I've watched an awful lot of these guys but wonder if any of them could be an option for Hibs if they've stood out? Always think it's worth a real look at that division as you can find some gems that are waiting for a step up.

https://www.nottheoldfirm.com/transfers/8-best-scottish-championship-stars-out-of-contract-who-could-be-on-premiership-radars/

[Brightside]

I dont want us to keep any of the out of contract players. Happy with those that have signed. Now time for the recruitment team do do their job and get the 7/8 replacements required.

[Thatdayinmay16]

Interesting list of player out of contract in the Championship, can't say I've watched an awful lot of these guys but wonder if any of them could be an option for Hibs if they've stood out? Always think it's worth a real look at that division as you can find some gems that are waiting for a step up.

https://www.nottheoldfirm.com/transfers/8-best-scottish-championship-stars-out-of-contract-who-could-be-on-premiership-radars/

I was thoroughly impressed by Connor McLennan against us in the Scottish Cup.

Thought he was a nuisance all game and every time they looked dangerous it came directly through him, was always looking for the ball and to get by his marker.

Not saying we should be looking at him, but definitely didn't look like a championship player imo.

[Thatdayinmay16]

I dont want us to keep any of the out of contract players. Happy with those that have signed. Now time for the recruitment team do do their job and get the 7/8 replacements required.

Including Boyle? I don't see there being many better options at this level given his G/A return.

Him & Hoilett worth another year I'd say.

[Donegal Hibby]

I dont want us to keep any of the out of contract players. Happy with those that have signed. Now time for the recruitment team do do their job and get the 7/8 replacements required.

I’d be delighted if we kept Boyle , Miller and Rocky , makes the recruiting easier while keeping the spirit of the group intact rather than dismantling it .

[hibsforeurope]

I’d be delighted if we kept Boyle , Miller and Rocky , makes the recruiting easier while keeping the spirit of the group intact rather than dismantling it .

it might be that this trip (no idea who Australia are playing or where) might make Boyle less inclined to stay with Hibs and more likely to want to sign for a club over there.

Miller i'd definitely look to keep as a RCB, i think Rocky may have better offers elsewhere now.

[Donegal Hibby]

it might be that this trip (no idea who Australia are playing or where) might make Boyle less inclined to stay with Hibs and more likely to want to sign for a club over there.

Miller i'd definitely look to keep as a RCB, i think Rocky may have better offers elsewhere now.

What you say is possible alright but as I said if them 3 players did decide to stay I think it would only be a good thing in the squad have a good harmony and spirit about it . If they all did stay and with the way we have been going , is the rebuild in the summer as big as we originally thought it needed to be ?

[Donegal Hibby]

Including Boyle? I don't see there being many better options at this level given his G/A return.

Him & Hoilett worth another year I'd say.

Hoilett is one I’m wondering about , good player but with McGrath coming in , I’m not so sure we will see him at us next season.

[Brightside]

Including Boyle? I don't see there being many better options at this level given his G/A return.

Him & Hoilett worth another year I'd say.

Unless Boyle is going to take a massive chop in wage id move him on. Hoilett and Gayle arent effective enough in enough games. Miller I just dont like as a footballer and Rocky for me is really only decent when we play a back 3. IF we wont to be pushing top3 id rather we found better options.

[Thatdayinmay16]

Unless Boyle is going to take a massive chop in wage id move him on. Hoilett and Gayle arent effective enough in enough games. Miller I just dont like as a footballer and Rocky for me is really only decent when we play a back 3. IF we wont to be pushing top3 id rather we found better options.

Agree to disagree, Hoilett and Gayle have won us a fair few games this season.

Gayle I understand with him mentioning his body couldn't handle it any longer, however Hoilett has come on in games we've been winning and helped us see things out/made a big impact especially against Hearts at home & Dundee united away in recent weeks, not to mention we looked lost when he came off at Killie at the weekend.

Miller at 24 and having looked solid since coming back in, I'd 100% be willing to keep as a RCB.

[B.H.F.C]

Unless Boyle is going to take a massive chop in wage id move him on. Hoilett and Gayle arent effective enough in enough games. Miller I just dont like as a footballer and Rocky for me is really only decent when we play a back 3. IF we wont to be pushing top3 id rather we found better options.

Boyle currently has 14 goals and 9 assists. He’ll likely add to each tally before the end of the season. We’ll do very well to spend his wage elsewhere and replace that contribution and that’s before you consider what else he brings to the club.

[The Modfather]

Boyle currently has 14 goals and 9 assists. He’ll likely add to each tally before the end of the season. We’ll do very well to spend his wage elsewhere and replace that contribution and that’s before you consider what else he brings to the club.

While I agree with you generally. 5 of those goals and 4 of the assists came against Clydebank, Elgin, Queens Park and Peterhead. 9 goals and 4 assists in the league, with more to follow, is easier to replicate if you were doing so with whatever his wage is, which you would imagine is north of £5k given he came back from Saudi Arabia.

I’d probably like him to stay, but not on his current wage and only as a striker and not a winger.

[B.H.F.C]

While I agree with you generally. 5 of those goals and 4 of the assists came against Clydebank, Elgin, Queens Park and Peterhead. 9 goals and 4 assists in the league, with more to follow, is easier to replicate if you were doing so with whatever his wage is, which you would imagine is north of £5k given he came back from Saudi Arabia.

I’d probably like him to stay, but not on his current wage and only as a striker and not a winger.

I expect Bowie, when fit next year, to add a big chunk of goals. With Boyle’s form since Christmas, beyond just the numbers which are decent in themself, I think it’s really tough to find someone that gives us what he does without spending a fortune (by our standards). I’m not saying just pay him what he wants or whatever, but there would be a fair risk in releasing him IMO.

[blackpoolhibs]

I think RWB is an odd one, we can both improve but just easily sign worse imo. Chris Cadden is a safe no thrills option on that side that I think we'll end up retaining personally.

He's just signed a two year extension.

[Eyrie]

Boyle is playing well enough that we should exercise the option to extend him for one more year because his form won't drop off that badly in that time.

After that we can see where he wants to play.

[PHeffernan]

Interesting list of player out of contract in the Championship, can't say I've watched an awful lot of these guys but wonder if any of them could be an option for Hibs if they've stood out? Always think it's worth a real look at that division as you can find some gems that are waiting for a step up.

https://www.nottheoldfirm.com/transfers/8-best-scottish-championship-stars-out-of-contract-who-could-be-on-premiership-radars/

Basically a list of Falkirk players and guys that used to play in the SPL and were not so good.
Like you I don't know how well these players are playing this season other than seeing them occasionally on TV on a Friday night.
Another powder puff click piece from the Not The Old Firm site. They dinnae ken any more about Scottish football than many of us.

[Forza Fred]

it might be that this trip (no idea who Australia are playing or where) might make Boyle less inclined to stay with Hibs and more likely to want to sign for a club over there.

Miller i'd definitely look to keep as a RCB, i think Rocky may have better offers elsewhere now.

Miller’s continued appearance in the Australia squad makes him a likely transfer target for clubs down south.

Starting to think it’s more likely than not that he’ll be moving on.

[Centre Hawf]

Miller’s continued appearance in the Australia squad makes him a likely transfer target for clubs down south.

Starting to think it’s more likely than not that he’ll be moving on.

There's a one year option on his contract. I am 90% certain that will be activated. The question right now will be if we can negotiate something longer for both parties to be happy with it.

[LEaston87]

There's a one year option on his contract. I am 90% certain that will be activated. The question right now will be if we can negotiate something longer for both parties to be happy with it.

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/2022/june/09/Australian-U23-International-Lewis-Miller-Joins-Hibs/

We do have a year option

[Ribs1875]

I hope we activate it and cash in on him.

[cocteautwin]

It’s going to need to be some quite astonishing rebuild if we want to surpass (or even match) a 14 game unbeaten streak and favourites for third place. Who started this thread? The guy from Block 7 who designed the upside down banner? Genius.

[B.H.F.C]

It’s going to need to be some quite astonishing rebuild if we want to surpass (or even match) a 14 game unbeaten streak and favourites for third place. Who started this thread? The guy from Block 7 who designed the upside down banner? Genius.

The likelihood is that the team finishing third will probably have a fairly low points total as far as third place goes, somewhere in the 50s. If you go back to when we came back up, the team in third have finished on 68, 57, 61, 63, 67 and 70 points (season cut short excluded). On the flip side, the team finishing on the playoff spot will finish with a higher than normal points total.

The 14 game run has been brilliant but the season isn’t just about 14 games. There is loads of room for improvement and with all the teams being closer than ever, we will need to make that improvement. Fortunately, I feel like we are in a position to do that for the first time in ages. I actually have a degree of confidence that we will do the right things this summer.

[CapitalGreen]

The likelihood is that the team finishing third will probably have a fairly low points total as far as third place goes, somewhere in the 50s. If you go back to when we came back up, the team in third have finished on 68, 57, 61, 63, 67 and 70 points (season cut short excluded). On the flip side, the team finishing on the playoff spot will finish with a higher than normal points total.

The 14 game run has been brilliant but the season isn’t just about 14 games. There is loads of room for improvement and with all the teams being closer than ever, we will need to make that improvement. Fortunately, I feel like we are in a position to do that for the first time in ages. I actually have a degree of confidence that we will do the right things this summer.

:agree: Still lots of room for improvement, despite our unbeaten run we’ve not put in a convincing away performance yet in 2025. The club has a history of hubris anytime we experience a modicum of success, we can’t assume that our rivals won’t improve and we can’t assume players who have been poor for most of the previous 3 years will maintain this purple patch in perpetuity. The failure of the Summer of 2021 transfer window to build on a strong season should hopefully still be fresh in the minds of those leading the club.

[Jones28]

:agree: Still lots of room for improvement, despite our unbeaten run we’ve not put in a convincing away performance yet in 2025. The club has a history of hubris anytime we experience a modicum of success, we can’t assume that our rivals won’t improve and we can’t assume players who have been poor for most of the previous 3 years will maintain this purple patch in perpetuity. The failure of the Summer of 2021 transfer window to build on a strong season should hopefully still be fresh in the minds of those leading the club.

Can't believe we have been paying for this utter disaster of a window for this long. Such poor management from the club but fortunately we have a coaching team who are getting the best out of the players at their disposal.

This is such a good opportunity for a re-set and I think we have the right people in place to make this happen.

[Centre Hawf]

Can't believe we have been paying for this utter disaster of a window for this long. Such poor management from the club but fortunately we have a coaching team who are getting the best out of the players at their disposal.

This is such a good opportunity for a re-set and I think we have the right people in place to make this happen.

While I think we have been paying for that, I actually think it was the windows in 22 that set us back the most. Guys like Henderson, McKirdy, Jair, Kenneh all came and done nothing but take a decent wage out of us.

Even the ones who were relatively okay signings weren't THAT great compared to other seasons business. Rocky overall has been inconsistent and only now showing he's turned a corner, Cabraja came and went, Bojang was just a clown moment from everyone, Mueller came for a small period to a large hype and wage and buggered off. Then there was a bunch of middling loans that never really did much for us.

We really filled our squad almost top to bottom with overpaid *****.

[Smartie]

Boyle currently has 14 goals and 9 assists. He’ll likely add to each tally before the end of the season. We’ll do very well to spend his wage elsewhere and replace that contribution and that’s before you consider what else he brings to the club.

The other thing I’ve noticed with Boyle is that if he’s having a quiet or poor game, we tend to be having a poor game.

Even now, he’s an incredibly important figure for us.

He’d take some replacing.

[B.H.F.C]

The other thing I’ve noticed with Boyle is that if he’s having a quiet or poor game, we tend to be having a poor game.

Even now, he’s an incredibly important figure for us.

He’d take some replacing.

The positional change has really got him going again. Even when he’s not having a particularly good game he still gives defenders something to think about. He’s not going to batter defenders about, obviously, but his all round game when the ball is on the deck is actually better than he gets credit for IMO. He might have lost little of his pace but he’s still one of the quicker players in the league and he has more about him than just pace these days anyway.

[Ribs1875]

While I think we have been paying for that, I actually think it was the windows in 22 that set us back the most. Guys like Henderson, McKirdy, Jair, Kenneh all came and done nothing but take a decent wage out of us.

Even the ones who were relatively okay signings weren't THAT great compared to other seasons business. Rocky overall has been inconsistent and only now showing he's turned a corner, Cabraja came and went, Bojang was just a clown moment from everyone, Mueller came for a small period to a large hype and wage and buggered off. Then there was a bunch of middling loans that never really did much for us.

We really filled our squad almost top to bottom with overpaid *****.

That window reeked of player recommendations by agents. It's not all doom and gloom. There have been good moves made by the club over the last few 5 years. Melkersen we profited on. Good money was made selling Doig, Nisbet and Porto also. Some good loan moves made especially last season. Potentially this summer selling wantaways Vente and Youan will make us money.

I just hope we can get the contracts Boyle (reduced terms) and Bushiri extended.

[flash]

That window reeked of player recommendations by agents. It's not all doom and gloom. There have been good moves made by the club over the last few 5 years. Melkersen we profited on. Good money was made selling Doig, Nisbet and Porto also. Some good loan moves made especially last season. Potentially this summer selling wantaways Vente and Youan will make us money.

I just hope we can get the contracts Boyle (reduced terms) and Bushiri extended.

I just want Boyle to stay, the terms of his contract are an irrelevance to me.

[Centre Hawf]

That window reeked of player recommendations by agents. It's not all doom and gloom. There have been good moves made by the club over the last few 5 years. Melkersen we profited on. Good money was made selling Doig, Nisbet and Porto also. Some good loan moves made especially last season. Potentially this summer selling wantaways Vente and Youan will make us money.

I just hope we can get the contracts Boyle (reduced terms) and Bushiri extended.

Yeah I agree in regards to agents.

I think we're definitely seeing the end of that era though and the financial losses we made were probably centred around that period of recruitment coming back to bite us. While guys like Melkersen was profited on it was ultimately a failed signing on the pitch that we lucked out on making cash out of thankfully, the sales of the lads you mention as well were all either academy or signed pre the recruitment shift.

As you say there are opportunities to make some money still on guys and we have done in the past, but when you scoop it all together from that period from summer 21 to summer 23, and take a look at the whole picture you're left with quite a pile of rank rotten business as a collective.

[Smartie]

I just want Boyle to stay, the terms of his contract are an irrelevance to me.

I get what you mean but I guess that might come down to what our actual financial reality is.

Are the Gordons going to prop losses up indefinitely? If so then the resigning of Boyle is a no-brainer.

I've always thought he must be earning a packet from us since coming back from Saudi Arabia - all the more painful when he spent his long time out injured and then other times either recuperating or a bit out of form.

It's actually been great for him to have his proper, full revival this season and to have seen him in a respectable team once more. Bottom line is that Boyle has been an absolute first rate signing from the moment we got him from Dundee and will likely go down as an all time great for us when his days are done.

Football is a cut throat business though and if we do have a financial reality that involves us being able to spend what we generate then Boyle will need to justify an ongoing contract - and the size and length of that contract - just the same as anybody else will.

[Ribs1875]

Yeah I agree in regards to agents.

I think we're definitely seeing the end of that era though and the financial losses we made were probably centred around that period of recruitment coming back to bite us. While guys like Melkersen was profited on it was ultimately a failed signing on the pitch that we lucked out on making cash out of thankfully, the sales of the lads you mention as well were all either academy or signed pre the recruitment shift.

As you say there are opportunities to make some money still on guys and we have done in the past, but when you scoop it all together from that period from summer 21 to summer 23, and take a look at the whole picture you're left with quite a pile of rank rotten business as a collective.

We are always going to sign duds, every team and manager signs players who don't work out. I think our problem has been our inconsistency on the pitch has been a contribution factor in many of these signings failing.

I would say the thing to frustrate me the most is the lack of productivity in the development squads. We have never seen anything near the level coming through as to what Williamson had at his disposal.

[Tyler Durden]

I get what you mean but I guess that might come down to what our actual financial reality is.

Are the Gordons going to prop losses up indefinitely? If so then the resigning of Boyle is a no-brainer.

I've always thought he must be earning a packet from us since coming back from Saudi Arabia - all the more painful when he spent his long time out injured and then other times either recuperating or a bit out of form.

It's actually been great for him to have his proper, full revival this season and to have seen him in a respectable team once more. Bottom line is that Boyle has been an absolute first rate signing from the moment we got him from Dundee and will likely go down as an all time great for us when his days are done.

Football is a cut throat business though and if we do have a financial reality that involves us being able to spend what we generate then Boyle will need to justify an ongoing contract - and the size and length of that contract - just the same as anybody else will.

I think if we finish 3rd and get the guaranteed group stage games, we'll renew on existing terms.

You'd imagine we'll be offering reduced terms now and Boyle would be wise to sit and wait. If we get 3rd spot and Celtic win the cup, he'll know that we'll give him same terms for the final year. We'd be mad not to.

If we don't have that financial boost, it's probably a take it or leave it offer and it's over to him.

[Centre Hawf]

We are always going to sign duds, every team and manager signs players who don't work out. I think our problem has been our inconsistency on the pitch has been a contribution factor in many of these signings failing.

I would say the thing to frustrate me the most is the lack of productivity in the development squads. We have never seen anything near the level coming through as to what Williamson had at his disposal.

One or two duds is to be expected. But we seemed to really do poorly on what were supposed to be marquee men in a period where our spending was going up. These big fees or wages can be acceptable if they're performing but if not then they just become huge burdens to the club.

Would agree with the development squad, I almost think the issue we have is it's easier to go sign a left back with 200 senior games and try him out than give someone like Oscar Macintyre a spell in the side for example. Would like to see us be a bit braver with some lads for spells.

[Ribs1875]

One or two duds is to be expected. But we seemed to really do poorly on what were supposed to be marquee men in a period where our spending was going up. These big fees or wages can be acceptable if they're performing but if not then they just become huge burdens to the club.

Would agree with the development squad, I almost think the issue we have is it's easier to go sign a left back with 200 senior games and try him out than give someone like Oscar Macintyre a spell in the side for example. Would like to see us be a bit braver with some lads for spells.

There is a need to bring back the reserve leagues. Used to love seeing a mix of youth, fringe and those needing match fitness on the back of injuries play. It meant the jump between development to first team wasn't out of site. VAR also adds difficulty stepping up for both strikers and defenders.

[J-C]

It’s going to need to be some quite astonishing rebuild if we want to surpass (or even match) a 14 game unbeaten streak and favourites for third place. Who started this thread? The guy from Block 7 who designed the upside down banner? Genius.

We have a fair few out on loan, with either contract finishing and loans finishing, the majority will need replaced. Saturdays game we had 3 loans and 2 older players who probably won't be here, Obita and Rocky could be away, with a returning loans not guaranteed to be here, that's around 7-10 players needed.

[Donegal Hibby]

It’s going to need to be some quite astonishing rebuild if we want to surpass (or even match) a 14 game unbeaten streak and favourites for third place. Who started this thread? The guy from Block 7 who designed the upside down banner? Genius.

The league season is over 38 games and not 14 and your totally missing the point in last season and the start of this one some of us would happily see players like Boyle , Rocky , Miller etc go , players that have been performing well and who have contributed massively in the run you mentioned …

Maybe retaining some of these players the rebuild isn’t as big as we first thought but its still going to be fairly big for numerous reasons which I would have thought wasn’t rocket science to a genius like you! .

[Forza Fred]

The league season is over 38 games and not 14 and your totally missing the point in last season and the start of this one some of us would happily see players like Boyle , Rocky , Miller etc go , players that have been performing well and who have contributed massively in the run you mentioned …

Maybe retaining some of these players the rebuild isn’t as big as we first thought but its still going to be fairly big for numerous reasons which I would have thought wasn’t rocket science to a genius like you! .

Lewis Miller is making a name for himself on the international stage and is quickly turning into our most saleable asset.

Yet, he remains one of the lower paid members of the squad.

Rather than just activate the one year option we have, I’d be signing him to a new 3 year deal…in the knowledge that an appearance at the World Cup finals could see his value grow exponentially.

[B.H.F.C]

Lewis Miller is making a name for himself on the international stage and is quickly turning into our most saleable asset.

Yet, he remains one of the lower paid members of the squad.

Rather than just activate the one year option we have, I’d be signing him to a new 3 year deal…in the knowledge that an appearance at the World Cup finals could see his value grow exponentially.

I’m still not sure I see Miller as our most sellable asset. He’s only just finding a level of consistency for Hibs, IMO, after 2 and a bit years.

If he was available on a free he’d pick up a club but I don’t see anyone coming in and offering us much for him any time soon. I think he still needs to properly prove himself at Hibs.

[Centre Hawf]

I’m still not sure I see Miller as our most sellable asset. He’s only just finding a level of consistency for Hibs, IMO, after 2 and a bit years.

If he was available on a free he’d pick up a club but I don’t see anyone coming in and offering us much for him any time soon. I think he still needs to properly prove himself at Hibs.

I think once he's played at a World Cup next summer I could very easily see him having suitors for even just £500k/£750k, maybe more. The Aussies are usually more open to moves to places like China, Saudi, Qatar etc too because of the travel so the pool opens up for him.

Big physical lad with pace at 26 years old, best years ahead of him maybe, and decent experience under his belt both club and internationally. If someone like Kye Rowles can be sold to MLS for around £500k I see no reason why Lewis Miller in 12 months time could be similar or more.

[Donegal Hibby]

Lewis Miller is making a name for himself on the international stage and is quickly turning into our most saleable asset.

Yet, he remains one of the lower paid members of the squad.

Rather than just activate the one year option we have, I’d be signing him to a new 3 year deal…in the knowledge that an appearance at the World Cup finals could see his value grow exponentially.

If we are to keep Miller we need to tie him down longer than the one year option alright .

I think we will definitely try to sign him up on another contract like we did Cadden but I suppose it will depend on wither the player wants to stay , really good player who has the potential to make us money in the future.

Hoping we keep Boyle too who contributes in many ways to the team also …

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/martin-boyle-good-place-hibs-34904176

[Centre Hawf]

If we are to keep Miller we need to tie him down longer than the one year option alright .

I think we will definitely try to sign him up on another contract like we did Cadden but I suppose it will depend on wither the player wants to stay , really good player who has the potential to make us money in the future.

Hoping we keep Boyle too who contributes in many ways to the team also …

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/martin-boyle-good-place-hibs-34904176

I think we'll activate the clause and if he doesn't want to sign a new deal he'll be gone in the summer anyway. Will be interesting to see what happens there.

[B.H.F.C]

I think once he's played at a World Cup next summer I could very easily see him having suitors for even just £500k/£750k, maybe more. The Aussies are usually more open to moves to places like China, Saudi, Qatar etc too because of the travel so the pool opens up for him.

Big physical lad with pace at 26 years old, best years ahead of him maybe, and decent experience under his belt both club and internationally. If someone like Kye Rowles can be sold to MLS for around £500k I see no reason why Lewis Miller in 12 months time could be similar or more.

Possibly, but he needs to play well for us. I think he’s done well of late but the previous 2 and a bit years were average at best IMO.

Think we’re at a very important point where we have a chance to build a team and our biggest focus has to be making sure we are signing/re-signing players based on how they are going to do now, not what they might make us down the line. If they do well in the now, that side of stuff looks after itself.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Lewis Miller is making a name for himself on the international stage and is quickly turning into our most saleable asset.

Yet, he remains one of the lower paid members of the squad.

Rather than just activate the one year option we have, I’d be signing him to a new 3 year deal…in the knowledge that an appearance at the World Cup finals could see his value grow exponentially.

Youan and Vente are more saleable than Miller just now. Others too like N Cadden, Boyle (if he signs longer) Josh Campbell and Bowie would all be above him too.

[Centre Hawf]

Possibly, but he needs to play well for us. I think he’s done well of late but the previous 2 and a bit years were average at best IMO.

Think we’re at a very important point where we have a chance to build a team and our biggest focus has to be making sure we are signing/re-signing players based on how they are going to do now, not what they might make us down the line. If they do well in the now, that side of stuff looks after itself.

I do agree, it all hinges on his performances at the end of the day and every player should be signed based on what they can do for Hibs in a jersey currently and not just what they can do for us in the balance sheet.

But his current performances and flexibility at both RWB/RB/RCB has been very impressive in the last 5 or so months and I think is worth building on, and I say that as someone who was frustrated and would have let him go probably back in October.

[Centre Hawf]

Youan and Vente are more saleable than Miller just now. Others too like N Cadden, Boyle (if he signs longer) Josh Campbell and Bowie would all be above him too.

Agree with Youan and Vente, Nicky Cadden potentially but at 29 I'd struggle to see anyone paying a decent fee for him. Campbell is a possibility but there's now a chance you're not selling any potential like you probably were 2 or so years ago, and what you see is what you get with him.

I also would doubt Boyle is a sellable asset at this point, you've already got a forum debating what his weekly wage is worth. Any chance of someone paying more than a token fee has probably long sailed off.

Bowie is probably more sellable but has come off an injury hampered season and hasn't shown his true ability yet so it's probably not the right time.

[B.H.F.C]

I do agree, it all hinges on his performances at the end of the day and every player should be signed based on what they can do for Hibs in a jersey currently and not just what they can do for us in the balance sheet.

But his current performances and flexibility at both RWB/RB/RCB has been very impressive in the last 5 or so months and I think is worth building on, and I say that as someone who was frustrated and would have let him go probably back in October.

I’m certainly not dead against keeping him. I’m quite happy that we have something to build on. I’m also just mindful that we do need to make sure there is some space to do the building as well. There’s a lot to think about with some of the out of contract players for me.

[Jones28]

I’m still not sure I see Miller as our most sellable asset. He’s only just finding a level of consistency for Hibs, IMO, after 2 and a bit years.

If he was available on a free he’d pick up a club but I don’t see anyone coming in and offering us much for him any time soon. I think he still needs to properly prove himself at Hibs.

I see a player maturing, much like we have seen with Rocky over the last few months.

I like Miller, he's a real athlete and someone who Australia are relying on internationally.

Inconsistency will come with younger players, but I see a decent development curve with Miller that would be worth investing in.

[easty]

I’m certainly not dead against keeping him. I’m quite happy that we have something to build on. I’m also just mindful that we do need to make sure there is some space to do the building as well. There’s a lot to think about with some of the out of contract players for me.

:agree:

He's been pretty good recently, and if he was to sign a new deal I'd be happy enough with that.

That said, I don't think he'd be massively difficult to replace if he does move on.

[The Modfather]

I do agree, it all hinges on his performances at the end of the day and every player should be signed based on what they can do for Hibs in a jersey currently and not just what they can do for us in the balance sheet.

But his current performances and flexibility at both RWB/RB/RCB has been very impressive in the last 5 or so months and I think is worth building on, and I say that as someone who was frustrated and would have let him go probably back in October.

I’m not sure he does have flexibility. I think he’s a weak link at RWB or RB IMO. He’s found a niche at being able to fill in at RCB. As it is I’d like to move him on. Iredale and Cadden suggest we should probably look forward at what a finally functioning recruitment team can deliver rather than make do with known, “can do a job”, quantifies like Miller.

[Donegal Hibby]

I think we'll activate the clause and if he doesn't want to sign a new deal he'll be gone in the summer anyway. Will be interesting to see what happens there.

It will depend on wither he wants to stay or not like the others but if he does I think we should try and get him to sign a longer contract . If he keeps playing well for Australia then he’s naturally going to catch the eye of other clubs and this would put us in a strong position .

I said before there’s four players coming out of contract we should try and keep in Cadden ( done) , Boyle , Miller and Rocky . To buy players of similar quality wouldn’t be cheap and by keeping them it’s not putting added pressure on the budget..

I think Youan and Vente will be sold and will take in probably over £2m , £2.5 m . The other one I’d try and keep as hard as it might be to do so now is Triantis , If we took in a decent whack for Youan and Vente I wouldn’t be against seeing the club going as high as a million for him .

[MacGruber]

Daily Record crediting us with an interest in Walsall centre half Oisin McEntee.

[Donegal Hibby]

Daily Record crediting us with an interest in Walsall centre half Oisin McEntee.

Coming out of contract … 6’3 player who can play a few positions.

[04Sauzee]

Daily Record crediting us with an interest in Walsall centre half Oisin McEntee.

Scott Burns

🟢⚪️Hibs are interested in a summer move for Walsall defender Oisin McEntee.
🆓The former Northern Ireland under-21 cap is out of contract in the summer.
🏁He had a successful loan spell at Morton when he was previously at Newcastle United.🟢⚪️

[Stuart93]

I expect him to sign a pre contract with Aberdeen in the very near future then.

That way SB can run a story about them beating us to a “target”

[JohnM1875]

Daily Record crediting us with an interest in Walsall centre half Oisin McEntee.

Was playing when Harry McKirdy scored the other week so hopefully not true.

[Donegal Hibby]

Just seen it’s Scott Burns that’s went with the Story . If that guy said it was raining you’d look out the window to see if it was . I had a look on the Walsall forum and found this after he signed his last contract….

https://upthesaddlers.com/t/new-contract-for-mcentee/10812/58

[PHeffernan]

Daily Record crediting us with an interest in Walsall centre half Oisin McEntee.

A 24 year old who has never played above the 4th tier and a third of his career appearances were for Morton on loan.
So probably not a good replacement for Rocky unless someone knows different.
Would be 4th choice behind Ekpiteta, O'Hora and Iredale.

[PHeffernan]

Just seen it’s Scott Burns that’s went with the Story . If that guy said it was raining you’d look out the window to see if it was . I had a look on the Walsall forum and found this after he signed his last contract….

https://upthesaddlers.com/t/new-contract-for-mcentee/10812/58

Sounds like a **** Triantis.
This is not what we need so I reckon it's a load of drivel from Burns.

I watch the English 2nd and 3rd tiers but can't watch the 4th tier because it is absolutely horrific.
Hibs will probably shop in the 3rd tier again this summer.

[Cabbage-Patch]

Daily Record crediting us with an interest in Walsall centre half Oisin McEntee.

Hopefully just Scott Burns being Scott Burns. I would be disappointed if this is the type of signing we would be looking at especially if we will have European games to contend with.

League 2 (Smith the exception) has hardly been a good hunting ground for us. The standard is absolutely woeful

[JohnM1875]

Sounds like a **** Triantis.
This is not what we need so I reckon it's a load of drivel from Burns.

I watch the English 2nd and 3rd tiers but can't watch the 4th tier because it is absolutely horrific.
Hibs will probably shop in the 3rd tier again this summer.

I agree with you by the way, but looks like Walsall will get promoted into that third tier for next season.

[Donegal Hibby]

Sounds like a **** Triantis.
This is not what we need so I reckon it's a load of drivel from Burns.

I watch the English 2nd and 3rd tiers but can't watch the 4th tier because it is absolutely horrific.
Hibs will probably shop in the 3rd tier again this summer.

I don’t know what he’s like and generally take anything Burns writes with a pinch of salt. I didn’t know what league Walsall were in until I checked and see they are top of league 2 … is there similarities between him and our signing of Iredale possibly , in both played with Morton and lower league football in England?

[Unseen work]

Iredale, Cadden, Smith etc

Let’s not judge/write a player off too early

Seems to be very versatile, good in the air and comfortable/composed on the ball

[Unseen work]

Time for someone to create the summer transfer window thread?

McGrath already confirmed and been linked with Olusanya and McEntee already.

[Unseen work]

Just read the Black Knights have shares in J League team Kyoto Sanga

Is that recent? Never heard them being mentioned before

Be interesting to see if we dip into that market

[Donegal Hibby]

Time for someone to create the summer transfer window thread?

McGrath already confirmed and been linked with Olusanya and McEntee already.

Was gutted we missed out on McGrath a few years ago as I rate him , versatile ,creative , with an eye for a goal . Think he’ll prove to be a good signing ..

Olusanya has split opinions on here though wouldn’t be against the idea in signing him as a backup striker if we need one , versatile striker who causes problems with his strength and pace ..

McEntee ? I have my doubts there’s anything in it seeing it’s a Burns article but if there was I think we should trust the recruitment teams judgement seeing as there’s been a few signings that have been surprisingly good …

https://thedeck.news/football/walsall-man-subject-of-top-flight-interest/

[badabing67]

Time for someone to create the summer transfer window thread?

McGrath already confirmed and been linked with Olusanya and McEntee already.

I mentioned it to Shodan on another thread and he was thinking about waiting till after the split to open it

[J-C]

Just read the Black Knights have shares in J League team Kyoto Sanga

Is that recent? Never heard them being mentioned before

Be interesting to see if we dip into that market

I see Marco Tulio the Brazilian AM from West Coast Mariners that was mentioned on here is with that team.

[PHeffernan]

I agree with you by the way, but looks like Walsall will get promoted into that third tier for next season.

I'm sure Walsall have spent most of the last 50 years in the 3rd tier

[PHeffernan]

I don’t know what he’s like and generally take anything Burns writes with a pinch of salt. I didn’t know what league Walsall were in until I checked and see they are top of league 2 … is there similarities between him and our signing of Iredale possibly , in both played with Morton and lower league football in England?

We don't tend to hear about Hibs transfer targets until they are all but done.
This sounds like Burns is guessing that Bushiri is leaving Hibs so we will be signing a centre half and this guy is OOC at the end of June, is a centre half and to top it off is Irish. Just sounds like click driven drivel to me.

[Ribs1875]

If the board are serious about moving us forward as a club, then being in the market for lower league English players is not the right way. I appreciate it is all speculation at this stage, and there can be gems unearthed occasionally. It feels like recently we have replaced one disaster with the next disaster.

We should be looking at players in our own league who are ready for a step up and could improve us. Hopefully we continue pulling out signings like Youan, Vente and Melkersen who are good age and can turn a profit.

[HendoDelivered]

Hibs teasing a boyle contract extension with the latest video?

[JohnM1875]

Hibs teasing a boyle contract extension with the latest video?

Where is the vid? Don't see anything on Twitter or that.

[HendoDelivered]

Where is the vid? Don't see anything on Twitter or that.

On Hibs’ IG. I could be looking into it too much to be fair.

[JohnM1875]

On Hibs’ IG. I could be looking into it too much to be fair.

Cheers, just watched it and I'm absolutely with you. Don't think you're looking too much into it.

Expecting we’ll announce we’ve taken up the years option.

[Ribs1875]

It could mean two things he's staying or he's going. He's cemented himself into the hibs' greatest. I've been so surprised we managed to keep a player of that calibre at the club as long as we have. When he first came he wasn't the finished article, but always improved each game.

[Hibbyradge]

I'm friendly with a guy who reports on games for Sky, usually in Division 2. I asked him about MsEntee...

"He played when I saw Walsall beat mk dons 4-2 and was subbed with 16 minutes to go, but I can’t remember him at all.

Walsall showed very little quality in possession and I would imagine he is an average league 2 defender. The standard is poor at this level and Walsall will be lucky to get automatic promotion after a blinding start. They have only won two of their last 13. He did play 24 games for Morton 21-22 and started as a youngster at Newcastle."

[PHeffernan]

If the board are serious about moving us forward as a club, then being in the market for lower league English players is not the right way. I appreciate it is all speculation at this stage, and there can be gems unearthed occasionally. It feels like recently we have replaced one disaster with the next disaster.

We should be looking at players in our own league who are ready for a step up and could improve us. Hopefully we continue pulling out signings like Youan, Vente and Melkersen who are good age and can turn a profit.

God give me strength :taxi

[Smartie]

If the board are serious about moving us forward as a club, then being in the market for lower league English players is not the right way. I appreciate it is all speculation at this stage, and there can be gems unearthed occasionally. It feels like recently we have replaced one disaster with the next disaster.

We should be looking at players in our own league who are ready for a step up and could improve us. Hopefully we continue pulling out signings like Youan, Vente and Melkersen who are good age and can turn a profit.

The Hibs board can keep signing lower league English players like Nicky Cadden, Jack Iredale, Dwight Gayle and Jordan Smith for as long as they want.

[JimBHibees]

The Hibs board can keep signing lower league English players like Nicky Cadden, Jack Iredale, Dwight Gayle and Jordan Smith for as long as they want.

David Gray was quite a good signing :greengrin

[JohnM1875]

The Hibs board can keep signing lower league English players like Nicky Cadden, Jack Iredale, Dwight Gayle and Jordan Smith for as long as they want.

Cadden, Iredale and Gayle were all playing in League One before joining Hibs.

League Two is a much poorer standard than League One. Of course there’ll be the odd good player in the league though.

[Ribs1875]

God give me strength :taxi

......

[cubehindthegoal]

From what I can see, we have already started the build (not rebuild) for next season.

Looking ok at this stage .. well done Hibs so far ✅💚✅💚

I’m no expert though ..

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

If the board are serious about moving us forward as a club, then being in the market for lower league English players is not the right way. I appreciate it is all speculation at this stage, and there can be gems unearthed occasionally. It feels like recently we have replaced one disaster with the next disaster.

We should be looking at players in our own league who are ready for a step up and could improve us. Hopefully we continue pulling out signings like Youan, Vente and Melkersen who are good age and can turn a profit.

Like McGrath from Aberdeen, we should be signing him, this board are just …

Wait a minute.

[04Sauzee]

Bournemouth goalkeeper Alex Paulsen could join Hibernian on loan this summer, according to Black Knights president Tim Bezbatchenko who was talking on the Athletic FC podcast

[Bridge hibs]

Bournemouth goalkeeper Alex Paulsen could join Hibernian on loan this summer, according to Black Knights president Tim Bezbatchenko who was talking on the Athletic FC podcast

Would be happy with him no 2 to Smith

[PHeffernan]

Would be happy with him no 2 to Smith

One thing for sure is the Black Knights organisation would not be sending Paulsen to Hibs to be No2 to Smith.
They would want us to develop and add exposure and value to their asset.

[supermcginn]

Would be happy with him no 2 to Smith

He won't be loaned out to be number 2. He'll be our new number one and Smith will revert to back up.

[HoboHarry]

Like McGrath from Aberdeen, we should be signing him, this board are just …

Wait a minute.
:wink:
:agree:

[Donegal Hibby]

Would be happy with him no 2 to Smith

I’m sure Smith will give the young lad a lot of advice and help too .

[Tambo]

Bournemouth goalkeeper Alex Paulsen couldn join Hibernian on loan this summer, according to Black Knights president Tim Bezbatchenko who was talking on the Athletic FC podcast

Alot of Hibs fans were hoping we could have got him at the start of this season, don't really follow the A-league, noticed his team are 1st with a decent GA record.

How has he done this season Fred?

[Smartie]

One thing for sure is the Black Knights organisation would not be sending Paulsen to Hibs to be No2 to Smith.
They would want us to develop and add exposure and value to their asset.

Maybe not but I'm not sure how many places he'll be able to further his development whilst being guaranteed the number 1 jersey?

A chance to "challenge for the number 1 jersey and keep it if doing well enough" at a decent level isn't that bad an offer, is it?

Worst case scenario you're in every match day squad, preparing as if to be called upon at short notice, closely shadowing an experienced number one and pushing someone to reach a higher standard themselves whilst training with a proper first team squad?

Better than being 4th or 5th choice at Bournemouth or playing regularly at a level he knows he's comfortable at, no?

[Iain G]

Alot of Hibs fans were hoping we could have got him at the start of this season, don't really follow the A-league, noticed his team are 1st with a decent GA record.

How has he done this season Fred?

Last season he was amazing for the Nix and well deserved his move. We don't talk about Auckland though...

[PHeffernan]

Maybe not but I'm not sure how many places he'll be able to further his development whilst being guaranteed the number 1 jersey?

A chance to "challenge for the number 1 jersey and keep it if doing well enough" at a decent level isn't that bad an offer, is it?

Worst case scenario you're in every match day squad, preparing as if to be called upon at short notice, closely shadowing an experienced number one and pushing someone to reach a higher standard themselves whilst training with a proper first team squad?

Better than being 4th or 5th choice at Bournemouth or playing regularly at a level he knows he's comfortable at, no?

Nah, if Mr 25% sends his investment Paulsen to Hibs it will be to play.
He will all but insist on it.

The upside is I think Paulsen will be a better keeper than Smith next season.
At 23 he would be the youngest keeper in the SPL.

[Donegal Hibby]

Nah, if Mr 25% sends his investment Paulsen to Hibs it will be to play.
He will all but insist on it.

The upside is I think Paulsen will be a better keeper than Smith next season.
At 23 he would be the youngest keeper in the SPL.

Mr 25% can insist all he wants but it’s Gray and his staff that should decide who plays or not .. at least thats the way it should be at our football club ! …

Probably a very good keeper who IF joins us will be taken in to challenge Smith for the NO 1 jersey but if Smith keeps playing like he has been then he should retain the No 1 jersey and not dropped which is what i think Gray will do.

[PHeffernan]

Mr 25% can insist all he wants but it’s Gray and his staff that should decide who plays or not .. at least thats the way it should be at our football club ! …

Probably a very good keeper who IF joins us will be taken in to challenge Smith for the NO 1 jersey but if Smith keeps playing like he has been then he should retain the No 1 jersey and not dropped which is what i think Gray will do.

As you wish Donegal

Picture this after Hibs follow your advice:

Zoom call from Bournemouth HQ

Ah, not listening again Mr Gordon, in that case i will send my wonderfully talented players to Lorient.
You'll regret this.

Screen goes dark

Foley, a man used to getting his own way and removing any opposition
Trump supporter and powerful super rich businessman
A combination of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BT00WU7Iss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI6CTj72C2k

[Donegal Hibby]

Picture this.

Zoom call from Bournemouth HQ

Ah, not listening again, in that case i will send my wonderful talented players to Lorient.
Good day Mr Gordon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BT00WU7Iss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI6CTj72C2k

The not listening comments I’m not convinced are true on all matters and even if they were I’m glad our owners the Gordon’s and in particular Ian Gordon stood strong in his beliefs that MM and DG were the right choices, think he deserves enormous credit for staying strong on this now.

As for a Bournemouth keeper coming in , I have no problem with it as competition is always good . My problem is with what you’re suggesting in somebody other than our manager and his staff are going to dictate who should be playing . Another point is why drop a player that’s been consistently good which could create issues especially when there seems to be a good spirit and togetherness in the squad? …

Doesn’t make much sense IMO .

[Forza Fred]

Alot of Hibs fans were hoping we could have got him at the start of this season, don't really follow the A-league, noticed his team are 1st with a decent GA record.

How has he done this season Fred?

He’s done well when I’ve seen him.

Makes the occasional stuff up like every keeper does, but is an excellent shot stopper.

Would be quite happy if he was on our books and fighting it out with Smith.

[3pm]

Mr 25% can insist all he wants but it’s Gray and his staff that should decide who plays or not .. at least thats the way it should be at our football club ! …

Probably a very good keeper who IF joins us will be taken in to challenge Smith for the NO 1 jersey but if Smith keeps playing like he has been then he should retain the No 1 jersey and not dropped which is what i think Gray will do.

You only have to look towards the PBS to see there is no room for sentiment. Clark played to a reasonable standard and helped them qualify for the group stages of Europe. He was dropped for Gordon because they felt he was better.

Same applies here. Smith has done well (certainly better than the majority expected) but if this boy is significantly better then he'll be in goals.

Have to be ruthless. Still struggle to understand how Macey played instead of Marciano in the 2021 Scottish Cup Final. Ridiculous from Jack Ross.

[Tha Cabbage Kid]

He won't be loaned out to be number 2. He'll be our new number one and Smith will revert to back up.

Im sure Smith will decide if this young lad will be no. 1 because if Paulsen doesnt put in a good performance every game he will have a class keeper pushing him all the way and take his place and not give it back. :greengrin

[oneone73]

You only have to look towards the PBS to see there is no room for sentiment. Clark played to a reasonable standard and helped them qualify for the group stages of Europe. He was dropped for Gordon because they felt he was better.

Same applies here. Smith has done well (certainly better than the majority expected) but if this boy is significantly better then he'll be in goals.

Have to be ruthless. Still struggle to understand how Macey played instead of Marciano in the 2021 Scottish Cup Final. Ridiculous from Jack Ross.

Macey saved a pen did he not?

[Hibernian Verse]

Paulsen is second in the A-League for save percentage at 76.1%. He has saved 55 of 71 shots on target.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Paulsen is second in the A-League for save percentage at 76.1%. He has saved 55 of 71 shots on target.

can we call him Vic ? :) already missed out on the chance with Palsson (so?) to chant “what’s on the end of your stick Vic” - he was clearly too busy relieving himself in plant pots.

[Since452]

You only have to look towards the PBS to see there is no room for sentiment. Clark played to a reasonable standard and helped them qualify for the group stages of Europe. He was dropped for Gordon because they felt he was better.

Same applies here. Smith has done well (certainly better than the majority expected) but if this boy is significantly better then he'll be in goals.

Have to be ruthless. Still struggle to understand how Macey played instead of Marciano in the 2021 Scottish Cup Final. Ridiculous from Jack Ross.

Macey was the only player that could hold his head high after that game. His penalty save should have been the catalyst to us going on to win.

[easty]

Macey was the only player that could hold his head high after that game.

He couldn't not. Guy was about 7ft tall.

[Thatdayinmay16]

As you wish Donegal

Picture this after Hibs follow your advice:

Zoom call from Bournemouth HQ

Ah, not listening again Mr Gordon, in that case i will send my wonderfully talented players to Lorient.
You'll regret this.

Screen goes dark

Foley, a man used to getting his own way and removing any opposition
Trump supporter and powerful super rich businessman
A combination of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BT00WU7Iss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI6CTj72C2k

Where has Foley been mentioned in this? It was Bezbatchenko who mentioned Paulson coming to Hibs, do you suspect Foley has phoned Tim and said "Tim, do everything in your power to ensure Alex Paulsen is number 1 at hibs next season, my career depends on it"

I think not. If it strengthens our squad then realistically who cares?

[B.H.F.C]

Where has Foley been mentioned in this? It was Bezbatchenko who mentioned Paulson coming to Hibs, do you suspect Foley has phoned Tim and said "Tim, do everything in your power to ensure Alex Paulsen is number 1 at hibs next season, my career depends on it"

I think not. If it strengthens our squad then realistically who cares?

We do know what Foley had to say previously when things weren’t being done as the Black Knights wanted.

I’m also of the opinion that if, and it is an if, we signed this goalie he’d be coming in as number one. It would fit the Black Knights model perfectly; play for them in the A League, play here then see if he can step up at Bournemouth.

It doesn’t mean we’ll just agree to sign him, but if we do, I think it would be to play.

[Paulie Walnuts]

We do know what Foley had to say previously when things weren’t being done as the Black Knights wanted.

I’m also of the opinion that if, and it is an if, we signed this goalie he’d be coming in as number one. It would fit the Black Knights model perfectly; play for them in the A League, play here then see if he can step up at Bournemouth.

It doesn’t mean we’ll just agree to sign him, but if we do, I think it would be to play.

:agree:

Little doubt in my mind if he signed he’d be signing to be number 1.

[Thatdayinmay16]

We do know what Foley had to say previously when things weren’t being done as the Black Knights wanted.

I’m also of the opinion that if, and it is an if, we signed this goalie he’d be coming in as number one. It would fit the Black Knights model perfectly; play for them in the A League, play here then see if he can step up at Bournemouth.

It doesn’t mean we’ll just agree to sign him, but if we do, I think it would be to play.

Previously yes, he's not had anything to say surrounding Paulsen though.

If Foley & Co recommend players who are likely to ensure we have a better squad and starting 11, I'm all for it.

If Paulsen comes in does excellently then great, if not we have Smith who has proven more than reliable.

[B.H.F.C]

Previously yes, he's not had anything to say surrounding Paulsen though.

If Foley & Co recommend players who are likely to ensure we have a better squad and starting 11, I'm all for it.

If Paulsen comes in does excellently then great, if not we have Smith who has proven more than reliable.

I don’t think you are ever going to hear Bill Foley talk about individual players.

It’s pretty clear, and right, we won’t just take any player they recommend or want us to take. But if we agreed to take this one, I just don’t think it would be to sit on the bench. It would be the kind of thing that would have us back at square one with them.

[Gmack7]

I would have thought any loan players we bring in should hopefully be 1st team players, clearly not happened with Bursik Kwon or Myko but I'm sure that was the original plan.
If we sign Paulsen I think he will start as #1 and it will be up to him to stay there

[theonlywayisup]

Cadden, Iredale and Gayle were all playing in League One before joining Hibs.

League Two is a much poorer standard than League One. Of course there’ll be the odd good player in the league though.

Can't remember, but which league was McKirdy when we signed him? Pretty sure it was League Two.

[JohnM1875]

Can't remember, but which league was McKirdy when we signed him? Pretty sure it was League Two.

From Swindon, so League Two, you’re spot on.

[Donegal Hibby]

You only have to look towards the PBS to see there is no room for sentiment. Clark played to a reasonable standard and helped them qualify for the group stages of Europe. He was dropped for Gordon because they felt he was better.

Same applies here. Smith has done well (certainly better than the majority expected) but if this boy is significantly better then he'll be in goals.

Have to be ruthless. Still struggle to understand how Macey played instead of Marciano in the 2021 Scottish Cup Final. Ridiculous from Jack Ross.

Delighted if he signs but if Smith continues his current form until the end of the season then he should retain the No 1 spot for preseason.

There seems to be a good spirit and togetherness in the squad and don’t think Gray will want to unsettle that by dropping players who are playing well .Any keeper coming in shouldn’t just walk in and should fight for the right to be No 1 especially considering the keeper we have now has got one of the top save percentages in the league.

[PHeffernan]

The not listening comments I’m not convinced are true on all matters and even if they were I’m glad our owners the Gordon’s and in particular Ian Gordon stood strong in his beliefs that MM and DG were the right choices, think he deserves enormous credit for staying strong on this now.

As for a Bournemouth keeper coming in , I have no problem with it as competition is always good . My problem is with what you’re suggesting in somebody other than our manager and his staff are going to dictate who should be playing . Another point is why drop a player that’s been consistently good which could create issues especially when there seems to be a good spirit and togetherness in the squad? …

Doesn’t make much sense IMO .

I agree with you on MM and DG. The Gordons had tried managers with the great presentations and visions 3 times in a row and found it to be just dreamy chat.
MM and DG offered straight up and down pragmatism and I for one thought they were the right choice. In turn MM appears to have made an unprecedented 10 out of 10 good permanent signings for less than a million quid and Gray has made the team better than the sum of it's parts which is what every manager is striving for.
As a result we are now the 3rd best team on the 5th best budget.
A gigantic win for Ian Gordon and he was brave holding his nerve in the face of the Black Knights pressure. Reckon they wanted us to go down another expensive management and director of football route last summer. The odds are it would have failed again and Hibs would be in financial melt down.
As it is the Hibs ship is not only facing the right way but has started moving forward for the first time since the Gordons took over. Ian Gordon has seen moneyball, a B team and slavery managers mess Hibs up as a football team and financially but pragmatism subsequently give us success.

As for young players coming in from Bournemouth, Mackay will be the gate keeper. He will advise Gray and Gordon. They won't bring in what they don't want.
Hibs have to work with the Black Knights with as little friction as possible to make the most of the opportunities they can afford us and I think we are now in a position to benefit from that.
Paulsen would be a low risk, low cost option to allow Murray Johnston another year to develop. He would start as No1 keeper but would suffer the same fate as Bursik if he doesn't perform with Smith ready to step in. Unlike Bursik, The Black Knights will be able to easily move organisation players to another of their clubs if they are not a good fit. Hibs would be the next level for Paulsen after 2 very successful seasons in the A League. I think he would be an improvement for Hibs.

Jordan Smith will be delighted he has a contract until 2028 after a tough few years and like every experienced player he will know that Hibs and the Black Knights will always do what they see as best for them and in this case it could see him as back up again despite playing well this season. I will say that I wish Foley's man had kept quiet until after our last league game as it could disrupt Jordan.

[matty_f]

I agree with you on MM and DG. The Gordons had tried managers with the great presentations and visions 3 times in a row and found it to be just dreamy chat.
MM and DG offered straight up and down pragmatism and I for one thought they were the right choice. In turn MM appears to have made an unprecedented 10 out of 10 good permanent signings for less than a million quid and Gray has made the team better than the sum of it's parts which is what every manager is striving for.
As a result we are now the 3rd best team on the 5th best budget.
A gigantic win for Ian Gordon and he was brave holding his nerve in the face of the Black Knights pressure. Reckon they wanted us to go down another expensive management and director of football route last summer. The odds are it would have failed again and Hibs would be in financial melt down.
As it is the Hibs ship is not only facing the right way but has started moving forward for the first time since the Gordons took over. Ian Gordon has seen moneyball, a B team and slavery managers mess Hibs up as a football team and financially but pragmatism subsequently give us success.

As for young players coming in from Bournemouth, Mackay will be the gate keeper. He will advise Gray and Gordon. They won't bring in what they don't want.
Hibs have to work with the Black Knights with as little friction as possible to make the most of the opportunities they can afford us and I think we are now in a position to benefit from that.
Paulsen would be a low risk, low cost option to allow Murray Johnston another year to develop. He would start as No1 keeper but would suffer the same fate as Bursik if he doesn't perform with Smith ready to step in. Unlike Bursik, The Black Knights will be able to easily move organisation players to another of their clubs if they are not a good fit. Hibs would be the next level for Paulsen after 2 very successful seasons in the A League. I think he would be an improvement for Hibs.

Jordan Smith will be delighted he has a contract until 2028 after a tough few years and like every experienced player he will know that Hibs and the Black Knights will always do what they see as best for them and in this case it could see him as back up again despite playing well this season. I will say that I wish Foley's man had kept quiet until after our last league game as it could disrupt Jordan.
I listened to a podcast with Tim Bezbechenko, who made the point that Bournemouth might have designs on sending a player to Hibs only for us to sign someone else in their position, the inference being that Hibs decide, not BKFC, who we sign and when.
It does have to be collaborative and beneficial to both sides but I think we've seen, and were will continue to see (rightly) a "Hibs first"
approach from all concerned, and only when that condition is met and a transfer is right for us, will it happen.

[eastmainsmsh]

Jordan Smith surely keeps jersey as much a decent keeper Paulsen seems

[flash]

Jordan Smith surely keeps jersey as much a decent keeper Paulsen seems

The best keeper at the club on opening day should be starting that game.

[easty]

Jordan Smith surely keeps jersey as much a decent keeper Paulsen seems

Nobody keeps their place if someone better comes in. If we have Paulsen and Smith as first team keepers it'll be up to them pre-season to determine, and show, who should be number 1.

[matty_f]

Nobody keeps their place if someone better comes in. If we have Paulsen and Smith as first team keepers it'll be up to them pre-season to determine, and show, who should be number 1.

Exactly the same for every position. :agree:

[1875Sean]

Linked with another league 2 player, Jordan Thomas a right winger

https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-millwall-and-hibernian-race-to-sign-jordan-thomas/

[Donegal Hibby]

Read this on Triantis and see an article in the EEN stating that Rocky hasn’t had an official offer made to him yet from Hibs but he remains open to the idea of staying on . I really don’t know what the chances are of resigning these and Boyle is but it would be fantastic if we could get all 3 of them signed up….

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/football/sunderland-afc/david-gray-permanent-deal-sunderland-loanee-nectar-triantis-5056005

[AmericanKev]

Every summer is a chance to rebuild and we should do it, same goes for January transfer window. The yams certainly made use of January this season as without that they would surely be relegated or in the play offs. We can do the same with the rebuilding.

[PHeffernan]

Read this on Triantis and see an article in the EEN stating that Rocky hasn’t had an official offer made to him yet from Hibs but he remains open to the idea of staying on . I really don’t know what the chances are of resigning these and Boyle is but it would be fantastic if we could get all 3 of them signed up….

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/football/sunderland-afc/david-gray-permanent-deal-sunderland-loanee-nectar-triantis-5056005

"head coach Gray has admitted that avenues of communication with Sunderland (https://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/football/sunderland-afc/sunderland-leeds-united-sheffield-united-attendances-compared-5054917) remain open"
Another poor journalist who uses "admitted" instead of stated in relation to a comment made in this case by David Gray.

All this chat and praise is driving up the Triantis profile and price and diminishing the chances of him returning to Hibs.
The only interesting and telling comments in the article are those from Triantis. He ultimately has his eyes on the prize and his thoughts will swing fully to Sunderland after Hibs 38th league game.

[AmericanKev]

Things change very quickly in football. Look at last year with Hearts getting 3rd easily then hitting the relegation places within 6 months. Aberdeen started this season brilliantly and then couldn't buy a goal.

You can never rest on what you have and must always change and adapt.

[PHeffernan]

Every summer is a chance to rebuild and we should do it, same goes for January transfer window. The yams certainly made use of January this season as without that they would surely be relegated or in the play offs. We can do the same with the rebuilding.


Hibs like every other team are constantly rebuilding due to players being sold or their contracts ending.
Very few first team players are at a club for more than 3 years.
Of the present players only Campbell, Newell and Boyle have spent longer at Hibs and the latter disappeared for a spell.
In essence 30% of a clubs playing squad is replaced every season so things are effectively in a constant state of rebuild.

Youan and Vente will be sold this summer, all the loans will return to their clubs, Gayle contract won't be renewed and Bushiri may well move on.
Boyle and Miller will have Hibs contracts for next season with Manneh and McGrath already signed up.
There might be as few as 4 new first team players signed on permanents bolstered by 2 new loans. So not the massive numbers we saw last summer.

Re your comments re Hearts, they replaced their backline in January out of necessity due to Kent, Halkett and Kingsley being out with long term injuries as well as the sales of Rowles and Oyegoke. Kabangu up front is the only signing that has really improved them.
With European competition out of the way they were always going to float up the table in the new year as Aberdeen did last season in the same circumstances.

[PHeffernan]

Things change very quickly in football. Look at last year with Hearts getting 3rd easily then hitting the relegation places within 6 months. Aberdeen started this season brilliantly and then couldn't buy a goal.

You can never rest on what you have and must always change and adapt.

There are reasons for that.
It's what happens when clubs with small budgets are playing in European group football.
The same thing happened to Aberdeen last season and will happen to Hibs next season if we qualify.
Hearts, like Aberdeen last season, have floated up the table in the new year since being eliminated from Europe.
Aberdeen finished 7th last season and Hearts look like they will finish 5th.

[Donegal Hibby]

"head coach Gray has admitted that avenues of communication with Sunderland (https://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/football/sunderland-afc/sunderland-leeds-united-sheffield-united-attendances-compared-5054917) remain open"
Another poor journalist who uses "admitted" instead of stated in relation to a comment made in this case by David Gray.

All this chat and praise is driving up the Triantis profile and price and diminishing the chances of him returning to Hibs.
The only interesting and telling comments in the article are those from Triantis. He ultimately has his eyes on the prize and his thoughts will swing fully to Sunderland after Hibs 38th league game.

Triantis eyes will be on the prize as all young players are ambitious in wanting to play at the highest level possible but as we have seen with the Aussie winger that moved to Middlesbrough and other players it doesn’t always work moving up levels to quickly either .

It will also depend I think on what league Sunderland is in and if they see him as a player to help them mount a serious challenge in getting to the premier league if they don’t succeed with that this season.

Like McCowan he is a quality player at our level and definitely worth trying for and possibly spending up to what we were willing to spend on McCowan in doing so .

[PHeffernan]

Triantis eyes will be on the prize as all young players are ambitious in wanting to play at the highest level possible but as we have seen with the Aussie winger that moved to Middlesbrough and other players it doesn’t always work moving up levels to quickly either .

It will also depend I think on what league Sunderland is in and if they see him as a player to help them mount a serious challenge in getting to the premier league if they don’t succeed with that this season.

Like McCowan he is a quality player at our level and definitely worth trying for and possibly spending up to what we were willing to spend on McCowan in doing so .

Sunderland look set for the play offs and will likely face Burnley in the final for the last promotion place.
If they get pipped I could see Triantis doing okay for them in a league of units such as ex Hibs players Clarke and Porteous.
However, If they are promoted they will need to upgrade their squad and there won't be a place for Triantis next season.
In that case they would probably loan him out to a championship club where I think he would do okay.

[AmericanKev]

Sunderland look set for the play offs and will likely face Burnley in the final for the last promotion place.
If they get pipped I could see Triantis doing okay for them in a league of units such as ex Hibs players Clarke and Porteous.
However, If they are promoted they will need to upgrade their squad and there won't be a place for Triantis next season.
In that case they would probably loan him out to a championship club where I think he would do okay.

We need the Newcastle v Sunderland game back for next season. such a good fixture

[AmericanKev]

Summer is still a bit away and there are always loads of free transfers going about. The club has recruited well in the past and no reason why they won't do it again.

[Donegal Hibby]

Sunderland look set for the play offs and will likely face Burnley in the final for the last promotion place.
If they get pipped I could see Triantis doing okay for them in a league of units such as ex Hibs players Clarke and Porteous.
However, If they are promoted they will need to upgrade their squad and there won't be a place for Triantis next season.
In that case they would probably loan him out to a championship club where I think he would do okay.

To hard to predict who will be in the playoffs … could be Leeds or Sheffield Utd that doesn’t make automatic promotion yet with few clubs in the mix to get into the playoffs too .

If they don’t get up , Sunderland might feel the need to splash the cash improving the team for a title challenge. In January the took in a forward from Roma valued at 18 mill and one of their current midfielders is valued at even more than that in Bellingham .

Triantis might not fit into their plans if they decide to spend big so maybe there is a chance of buying him or getting him for another year on loan… time will tell.

[AmericanKev]

To hard to predict who will be in the playoffs … could be Leeds or Sheffield Utd that doesn’t make automatic promotion yet with few clubs in the mix to get into the playoffs too .

If they don’t get up , Sunderland might feel the need to splash the cash improving the team for a title challenge. In January the took in a forward from Roma valued at 18 mill and one of their current midfielders is valued at even more than that in Bellingham .

Triantis might not fit into their plans if they decide to spend big so maybe there is a chance of buying him or getting him for another year on loan… time will tell.

Leeds are going straight up. Look like they are winning it but even 2nd gets them straight up

[Donegal Hibby]

Leeds are going straight up. Look like they are winning it but even 2nd gets them straight up

Why so confident on that if I may ask when Burnley is currently only two points behind them ?

[AmericanKev]

Why so confident on that if I may ask when Burnley is currently only two points behind them ?

just think they are a big club in that division. And I said 2nd is enough to go up.

[PHeffernan]

To hard to predict who will be in the playoffs … could be Leeds or Sheffield Utd that doesn’t make automatic promotion yet with few clubs in the mix to get into the playoffs too .

If they don’t get up , Sunderland might feel the need to splash the cash improving the team for a title challenge. In January the took in a forward from Roma valued at 18 mill and one of their current midfielders is valued at even more than that in Bellingham .

Triantis might not fit into their plans if they decide to spend big so maybe there is a chance of buying him or getting him for another year on loan… time will tell.

Sorry Donegal, I was concentrating on Sunderland and they are definitely going to be in the Championship play offs and will be favourites to be in the final against whoever finishes 3rd.
They operate on a whole different plane from Hibs and Triantis wants to make it with them but as you say that may be taken out of his hands. I still believe whatever happens he will be playing in the English Championship next season whether that be at Sunderland or elsewhere.