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Hibees1973
15-05-2025, 01:01 PM
He’s grown into a decent keeper but there are better out there.

Yes. We do need a better keeper.

Smith was 2nd choice at the start of the season, but Bursik proved to be hopeless so Smith stepped in and has done a competent job. Smith is calm and not prone to aberrations. If you want a safe, dependable, but not someone who is an upgrade, then Smith may be your man.

It's up to the recruitment guys to get someone better in, which clearly they will try and do. A 1st pick goalkeeper will be one of the priorities. However, they could make a mistake again and we may have to rely on Smith, which is something I'm fairly (not 100% though) comfortable with.

percy veer
15-05-2025, 01:03 PM
Stick with him , people saying there are better out there Who? He has been brilliant since he came in stats are probs up there with past goalies why try upgrade amd might not work

Thatdayinmay16
15-05-2025, 01:13 PM
Stick with him , people saying there are better out there Who? He has been brilliant since he came in stats are probs up there with past goalies why try upgrade amd might not work

Going by the thread, some folk are expecting Allison between the sticks at the start of next season:rolleyes:

Stevie Reid
15-05-2025, 01:28 PM
At any given time, a goalkeeper is only as good as they are currently performing. For example, I don't think there's any doubt that Jack Butland has more ability than Jordan Smith, but would anyone have swapped the two in recent weeks? Plenty of high performing keepers have undergone crises of confidence in the past, and some never fully recover (or take years to do so), once the yips set in.

Smith has had the odd moment here and there, but overall has performed at a really high level - generally very safe in his handling, decent with the ball at his feet, and has made some superb saves. Our defence looks really comfortable in front of him as well - something I've rarely been able to take for granted with a Hibs keeper - and he seems a big character and popular player too.

I'm not sure what more anyone could really have expected. I get the feeling that people think that Smith is currently playing above himself, and that at some point he will inevitably drop off. Whilst that obviously cannot be completely ruled out, it does feel like his modest career to this point is possibly working against him, for some.

For what it's worth, I'm of the belief that had we signed another goalkeeper with more pedigree, and paid a big fee for - and they performed at the same level as Smith - most everyone would be very happy.

I'm all for us signing a new keeper in the summer, we need one and competition for places is so important. But for me, the jersey should be Smith's to keep until his performances can no longer justify that.

hibsbollah
15-05-2025, 01:34 PM
At any given time, a goalkeeper is only as good as they are currently performing. For example, I don't think there's any doubt that Jack Butland has more ability than Jordan Smith, but would anyone have swapped the two in recent weeks? Plenty of high performing keepers have undergone crises of confidence in the past, and some never fully recover (or take years to do so), once the yips set in.

Smith has had the odd moment here and there, but overall has performed at a really high level - generally very safe in his handling, decent with the ball at his feet, and has made some superb saves. Our defence looks really comfortable in front of him as well - something I've rarely been able to take for granted with a Hibs keeper - and he seems a big character and popular player too.

I'm not sure what more anyone could really have expected. I get the feeling that people think that Smith is currently playing above himself, and that at some point he will inevitably drop off. Whilst that obviously cannot be completely ruled out, it does feel like his modest career to this point is possibly working against him, for some.

For what it's worth, I'm of the belief that had we signed another goalkeeper with more pedigree, and paid a big fee for - and they performed at the same level as Smith - most everyone would be very happy.

I'm all for us signing a new keeper in the summer, we need one and competition for places is so important. But for me, the jersey should be Smith's to keep until his performances can no longer justify that.

:agree:

ancient hibee
15-05-2025, 01:41 PM
Signing goalies must be very difficult. Apart from anything else his record or isolated performances must depend on the standard of the defence in front of him. It’s not until you sign one that you know what he’s really like.

darwenhibby
15-05-2025, 01:49 PM
Cant blame Smith for the goals last night.
Could it be the defence is looking a bit tired after the hard slog they have put in since December?
For instance Miller looked good in parts and others like he’d never pls that position before.

Season coming to an end just at the right time

Hibspur
15-05-2025, 01:58 PM
At any given time, a goalkeeper is only as good as they are currently performing. For example, I don't think there's any doubt that Jack Butland has more ability than Jordan Smith, but would anyone have swapped the two in recent weeks? Plenty of high performing keepers have undergone crises of confidence in the past, and some never fully recover (or take years to do so), once the yips set in.

Smith has had the odd moment here and there, but overall has performed at a really high level - generally very safe in his handling, decent with the ball at his feet, and has made some superb saves. Our defence looks really comfortable in front of him as well - something I've rarely been able to take for granted with a Hibs keeper - and he seems a big character and popular player too.

I'm not sure what more anyone could really have expected. I get the feeling that people think that Smith is currently playing above himself, and that at some point he will inevitably drop off. Whilst that obviously cannot be completely ruled out, it does feel like his modest career to this point is possibly working against him, for some.

For what it's worth, I'm of the belief that had we signed another goalkeeper with more pedigree, and paid a big fee for - and they performed at the same level as Smith - most everyone would be very happy.

I'm all for us signing a new keeper in the summer, we need one and competition for places is so important. But for me, the jersey should be Smith's to keep until his performances can no longer justify that.

Exactly. The guy's got the strongest record in the top flight aside from Schmeichel and a Celtic keeper's record has to be tempered by the fact he faces far fewer shots than the rest.

What more could we ask for than that?! We may need another keeper to replace Bursic but we certainly don't need one to replace Smith, who has a decent claim to be our player of the season.

Hibspur
15-05-2025, 02:02 PM
Signing goalies must be very difficult. Apart from anything else his record or isolated performances must depend on the standard of the defence in front of him. It’s not until you sign one that you know what he’s really like.

Not only that, but the relationship he has with his defenders is crucial and you can see ours trust Smith completely.

As someone else has pointed out, Andy Goram and Jim Leighton had their fair share of moments to forget but are (rightly) lauded as terrific goalkeepers. Yet it was with John Burridge in goal that we won a trophy for the first time in many years. Budgie was a good keeper but not on their level, yet his presence behind Tommy McIntyre and Gordon Hunter was instrumental in that team's success.

Pretty Boy
15-05-2025, 02:04 PM
At any given time, a goalkeeper is only as good as they are currently performing. For example, I don't think there's any doubt that Jack Butland has more ability than Jordan Smith, but would anyone have swapped the two in recent weeks? Plenty of high performing keepers have undergone crises of confidence in the past, and some never fully recover (or take years to do so), once the yips set in.

Smith has had the odd moment here and there, but overall has performed at a really high level - generally very safe in his handling, decent with the ball at his feet, and has made some superb saves. Our defence looks really comfortable in front of him as well - something I've rarely been able to take for granted with a Hibs keeper - and he seems a big character and popular player too.

I'm not sure what more anyone could really have expected. I get the feeling that people think that Smith is currently playing above himself, and that at some point he will inevitably drop off. Whilst that obviously cannot be completely ruled out, it does feel like his modest career to this point is possibly working against him, for some.

For what it's worth, I'm of the belief that had we signed another goalkeeper with more pedigree, and paid a big fee for - and they performed at the same level as Smith - most everyone would be very happy.

I'm all for us signing a new keeper in the summer, we need one and competition for places is so important. But for me, the jersey should be Smith's to keep until his performances can no longer justify that.

I think Jim Leighton is probably the best example of what you say.

He was a brilliant keeper hence Fergie taking him down to Man United. His confidence ended up shot to pieces and his manager had to make a totally ruthless call in a cup final to drop him. As Fergie said himself Les SEaley wasn't close to being as good as Jim Leighton but he thought he was and that was the difference.

It took him 3 or 4 years to really get over it and recapture his form at Hibs and latterly for both Aberdeen and Scotland.

Stevie Reid
15-05-2025, 02:55 PM
I think Jim Leighton is probably the best example of what you say.

He was a brilliant keeper hence Fergie taking him down to Man United. His confidence ended up shot to pieces and his manager had to make a totally ruthless call in a cup final to drop him. As Fergie said himself Les SEaley wasn't close to being as good as Jim Leighton but he thought he was and that was the difference.

It took him 3 or 4 years to really get over it and recapture his form at Hibs and latterly for both Aberdeen and Scotland.

Leighton, Fergie - and Manchester United in general - were all in mind my when making that post. Leighton is the prime example of a keeper completely losing their way, as you say.

Fergie in his tenure, and Manchester United very recently, have been a great example of - regardless of how much money you spend - just how difficult it can be to find a keeper capable of performing at the required level.