Away end

[maturehibby]

Rangers were not allocated the full south stand yet celtic were and to me overfilled it

The "Ultras" and the front appeared to be crammed in.causing overcrowding in that area .
Seems that double up at entry gates and squeeze a lot more in that what is permitted.
Possibility of injury if anything occurred.
Seems they do it at a lot of away grounds .
Finally only offered 2.200 tickets from.Celtic for Cup tie when we are entitled to 20% of the seats

[jonny]

Rangers were not allocated the full south stand yet celtic were and to me overfilled it

The "Ultras" and the front appeared to be crammed in.causing overcrowding in that area .
Seems that double up at entry gates and squeeze a lot more in that what is permitted.
Possibility of injury if anything occurred.
Seems they do it at a lot of away grounds .
Finally only offered 2.200 tickets from.Celtic for Cup tie when we are entitled to 20% of the seats

We'll get more if we sell them all

[Trinity Hibee]

They do this everywhere they go and nothing is ever done about it. Don’t understand why police can’t be at each of the turnstiles. You can bet your bottom dollar that if something happened due to the overcrowding they’d be first to cry wolf and blame someone else

[Paul1642]

They do this everywhere they go and nothing is ever done about it. Don’t understand why police can’t be at each of the turnstiles. You can bet your bottom dollar that if something happened due to the overcrowding they’d be first to cry wolf and blame someone else

That’s what stewards are for, not police. Stewards not being up to the task / the turnstile system being open to abuse is not a police issue.

Completely agree that something needs done though.

[Pretty Boy]

That’s what stewards are for, not police. Stewards not being up to the task / the turnstile system being open to abuse is not a police issue.

Completely agree that something needs done though.

When I lived in Aberdeen I went to a couple of Aberdeen v Celtic games with a Celtic supporting mate.

Neither time did we have a ticket. Pitched up and offered a steward £20 and they would happily open a side gate and let you in. Maybe a bit harder to do nowadays as that was 15-20 years ago but I can imagine it still goes on.

Equally I'm not sure a steward doing a part time job for a crap wage is going to get involved if 3 boys come piling through the turnstile on one ticket. I get it's their job but a bit of basic risk assesment of my own situation would have me turning the other way it I was in their shoes as well. I wouldn't fancy taking on a couple of dozen guys who have been on the Bucky and ching since 6am.

[Trinity Hibee]

When I lived in Aberdeen I went to a couple of Aberdeen v Celtic games with a Celtic supporting mate.

Neither time did we have a ticket. Pitched up and offered a steward £20 and they would happily open a side gate and let you in. Maybe a bit harder to do nowadays as that was 15-20 years ago but I can imagine it still goes on.

Equally I'm not sure a steward doing a part time job for a crap wage is going to get involved if 3 boys come piling through the turnstile on one ticket. I get it's their job but a bit of basic risk assesment of my own situation would have me turning the other way it I was in their shoes as well. I wouldn't fancy taking on a couple of dozen guys who have been on the Bucky and ching since 6am.

The overall safety is down to the police. As you say, a steward on minimum wage isn’t going to try and manage drunk football fans

[Frazerbob]

I actually said to my pals that the South Stand looked far less rammed than usual when we play them. Their Green Brigade section looked smaller and far less packed and there was lots of empty seat scattered around. Obviously they sold out but I from my vantage point, the stand was not full.

[PHeffernan]

Rangers were not allocated the full south stand yet celtic were and to me overfilled it

The "Ultras" and the front appeared to be crammed in.causing overcrowding in that area .
Seems that double up at entry gates and squeeze a lot more in that what is permitted.
Possibility of injury if anything occurred.
Seems they do it at a lot of away grounds .
Finally only offered 2.200 tickets from.Celtic for Cup tie when we are entitled to 20% of the seats

That was a nice wee factless ramble.
Fortunately those issues involving away supporters entering the stadium are the responsibility of the business that is Hibernian FC and Police Scotland.

P.S. we will get more Cup tickets once our supporters have bought the partial view tickets. A nasty thing to do but that's capitalists for you, always thinking about how to maximise the financial take :cb

[ShinyFantastic]

We didn’t give celtic the full south stand the first time we played them at Easter Road at the start of the season

[PHeffernan]

We didn’t give celtic the full south stand the first time we played them at Easter Road at the start of the season

Obviously thought we would understand them rolling it back after they announced losing 7.2 million quid in a year.

[CentreLine]

I actually said to my pals that the South Stand looked far less rammed than usual when we play them. Their Green Brigade section looked smaller and far less packed and there was lots of empty seat scattered around. Obviously they sold out but I from my vantage point, the stand was not full.

I brought this up at the AGM last year and I tend to be a little anal about keeping an eye on what it looks like at the cat A games. Looking at it from the west stand today we were commenting that we could see all the safety stairways this time. Didn’t look overcrowded and I’m pleased it looks like the club have taken some action to improve what was clearly a safety issue in the recent past.

[cubehindthegoal]

That’s what stewards are for, not police. Stewards not being up to the task / the turnstile system being open to abuse is not a police issue.

Completely agree that something needs done though.

Police are always right on it when told to be. And better trained than stewards. And police are paid from our pockets to be there to do their job. So what is that job both our club and EVERYONE pays them to do? I expect an officer on duty to do his duty. Is that wrong of me ? Whatever is happening that is contrary to law, and by whoever, wherever.

Maybe there is a discussion and a change needed. But it’s not the fault of ordinary folk going along to watch a sports event.

[givescotlandfreedom]

You couldn't see the aisles at times. Definitely extras in the away end. But nothing happens.

[PHeffernan]

That’s what stewards are for, not police. Stewards not being up to the task / the turnstile system being open to abuse is not a police issue.

Completely agree that something needs done though.

Stewards at football matches are supposed to be there for a similar purpose to bouncers at a club and if bouncers continually can't maintain order at their employers business premises and the Police are having to frequently step in and address issues of disorder they will send a report to the licensing department stating the circumstances and making recommendations for improvements. If the disorder continues the business owner risks losing their licence.
In reality stewards at the football are uniform filling, box ticking, eyes and ears on minimum wage who would never have coped at the football in the 70's and 80's. Fortunately fan stadium behaviour is generally very tame now although cheap ching has upped the ante.
Like others I thought the away end looked orderly today so for me Hibs and the Police seem to have a better handle on the supporter entry issues previously highlighted. Inside the stadium is very much the domain of the stewards though with minimal involvement of the Police.

[Aldo]

The overall safety is down to the police. As you say, a steward on minimum wage isn’t going to try and manage drunk football fans

The overall safety of the supporters in the ground is the responsibility of Hibernian Football Club. It is their event.

The Safety Officer has overall primacy and is supported by the Police Commander.

Stewards will and should deal with most things but agree certain incidents should be dealt with by Police.

[Nicho87]

Would still be giving them as little as possible 7.2 million loss or not

The bile that comes out both their mouths is ridiculous

Give them as little as possible

[Since90+2]

The overall safety of the supporters in the ground is the responsibility of Hibernian Football Club. It is their event.

The Safety Officer has overall primacy and is supported by the Police Commander.

Stewards will and should deal with most things but agree certain incidents should be dealt with by Police.

Yip. Safety is the responsibility of the venue for large scale events.

Police are their primarily to prevent any disorder.

[Trinity Hibee]

The overall safety of the supporters in the ground is the responsibility of Hibernian Football Club. It is their event.

The Safety Officer has overall primacy and is supported by the Police Commander.

Stewards will and should deal with most things but agree certain incidents should be dealt with by Police.

Ok the responsibility lies with the club but who carries that work out on the day? I’d suggest the police because the club don’t have staff doing it and we know stewards don’t (can’t blame them when they get paid minimum wage). Happy to be mistaken but whoever is in charge needs to start taking this seriously before an accident takes place. I include all SPFL clubs in this as it happens at every away ground the OF visit

[Aldo]

Ok the responsibility lies with the club but who carries that work out on the day? I’d suggest the police because the club don’t have staff doing it and we know stewards don’t (can’t blame them when they get paid minimum wage). Happy to be mistaken but whoever is in charge needs to start taking this seriously before an accident takes place. I include all SPFL clubs in this as it happens at every away ground the OF visit

It is not the police. They support the stewards etc. The club carry out the work on the day by employing a sufficiency of stewarding. They will carry out a risk assessment and decide how many they need. It varies depending on the opposition. All tried and tested practices:


What happens at games where there are no police within the stadium? Stewards deal. There will normally be a police presence outwith the stadium who can be called upon should the stewards need assistance.

As I said it is the responsibility of the club to ensure the safety of those within the stadium.

If you are unhappy with the away end you need to contact the club and make your feelings known.

[Alfred E Newman]

I don't think the away end was overfilled yesterday. The fact they are all standing always makes it look busier. Just look at the photos of the east at the end compared with during the game.

[Since90+2]

Ok the responsibility lies with the club but who carries that work out on the day? I’d suggest the police because the club don’t have staff doing it and we know stewards don’t (can’t blame them when they get paid minimum wage). Happy to be mistaken but whoever is in charge needs to start taking this seriously before an accident takes place. I include all SPFL clubs in this as it happens at every away ground the OF visit

Not sure what the minimum wage thing has to do with it. That's literally what the Stewards are employed to do, if not that what are they being paid for?

[Trinity Hibee]

Not sure what the minimum wage thing has to do with it. That's literally what the Stewards are employed to do, if not that what are they being paid for?

Ok. Look at the statute of some these stewards, some look about 16yo and there is no chance they’d be challenging a drunk/coked up football fan. When it comes to football, stewards are a token gesture and that’s not a reflection on the people themselves, it’s those training/employing them. They aren’t equipped to deal with that situation and are paid minimum wage for the hassle. Police on the other hand have authority and resource in that situation.

Anyway it’s not only a Hibs problem, it’s all clubs who have to do something to deal with this.

[Aldo]

Ok. Look at the statute of some these stewards, some look about 16yo and there is no chance they’d be challenging a drunk/coked up football fan. When it comes to football, stewards are a token gesture and that’s not a reflection on the people themselves, it’s those training/employing them. They aren’t equipped to deal with that situation and are paid minimum wage for the hassle. Police on the other hand have authority and resource in that situation.

Anyway it’s not only a Hibs problem, it’s all clubs who have to do something to deal with this.

I would suggest that the situation would be risk assessed and the stewarding supervisor would make any decision prior to any person being approached. I would go as far to say the police would be on hand should the type of situation you’ve mentioned occurred.

It’s not like there is loads of disorder in the ground!

[hibby rae]

Happens every away game they play, but noticeably they don't get away with it when playing at Hampden

[Ship of Hope]

I didn't notice any issues with away support or hear any offensive songs. But then I was busy watching the game. I much prefer a full stadium than a half empty stand.

[HIBS NUTS]

I didn't notice any issues with away support or hear any offensive songs. But then I was busy watching the game. I much prefer a full stadium than a half empty stand.
First time I’ve seen old firm fans not letting flares off.
i wonder if Celtic have warned them.

[He's here!]

What struck me was how ecstatic they seemed when they thought they'd equalised. Yes, we'd have gone nuts if we'd come back from two down, but for Celtic they either win or come back to win almost every single week. They don't ride the same rollercoaster of emotions fans of most other clubs do. The title's been in the bag for months so are their fans REALLY that excited by a comeback at Easter Road? Or are they conditioned to respond that way due to a sense of entitlement?

Maybe they were just drunk :drunk:

[Lancs Harp]

I dont think its overpoplated its more a case of fans standing where they want with their mates. Some areas are overcrowded in other areas you could see empty seats.

[hibstag]

Happens every away game they play, but noticeably they don't get away with it when playing at Hampden

It's hard to get yourself through the turnstiles at Hampden they are very narrow, the queues and funneling system probably makes it harder too.

[JeMeSouviens]

I dont think its overpoplated its more a case of fans standing where they want with their mates. Some areas are overcrowded in other areas you could see empty seats.

Think it's exactly this. :agree: Wannbes wanting to be squashed in with the green brigade. Our ultras do this too.

[greenginger]

First time I’ve seen old firm fans not letting flares off.
i wonder if Celtic have warned them.

More likely proper searches taken place on the way in and anyone caught with flares lifted.

[Hibernian Verse]

Think it's exactly this. :agree: Wannbes wanting to be squashed in with the green brigade. Our ultras do this too.

Ah the famous hangers on!

[McD]

What struck me was how ecstatic they seemed when they thought they'd equalised. Yes, we'd have gone nuts if we'd come back from two down, but for Celtic they either win or come back to win almost every single week. They don't ride the same rollercoaster of emotions fans of most other clubs do. The title's been in the bag for months so are their fans REALLY that excited by a comeback at Easter Road? Or are they conditioned to respond that way due to a sense of entitlement?

Maybe they were just drunk :drunk:



I may have misheard, but I thought the Hibs tv commentary team said there was a fee Celtic fans in the main stand who had been giving it large when they equalised, and when it was disallowed they all got it back with interest from the Hibs fans around them