9 mins of extra time plus referee decisions

[maturehibby]

Kevin Clancy still trying to referee from the VAR room .
Trying to get Robertson to give a penalty against Rocky plus the time he took to give the second goal .
One plus was how he told Shinnie to
Get to his feet when he feigned a foul early doors ..
However only he will know how he allowed a couple of fouls one on Bowie and Boyle the other to ho unimpeded

[Jones28]

Standard Scottish refereeing performance.

Some head scratching decisions, the Bowie non free kick then giving the free kick against him was laughable. The VAR deliberation over the Aberdeen penalty claim and the 5 minutes it took to draw a ****ing line and decide Gayle was onside was just quintessential Scottish officiating.

[matty_f]

The officials were a joke today, from an erroneous flag to disallow our second goal to VAR trying their best to find a reason to give a penalty or a red card against us, Hibs should be asking questions about the standard of the officials today. Dreadful.

[Paul1642]

The officials were a joke today, from an erroneous flag to disallow our second goal to VAR trying their best to find a reason to give a penalty or a red card against us, Hibs should be asking questions about the standard of the officials today. Dreadful.

I think the ref was pretty good (with the exception of the foul on Bowie that wasn’t given quickly followed by the foul that was given against Bowie), and even after viewing the replay of our second goal several times had no idea what the correct decision should be.

[supermcginn]

Clancy's been at it for years with us. The Vargas penalty at Tynecastle last season was the final confirmation he is a total ****.

[J-C]

Robertson was very up and down, good he didn't give the penalty but missed blatant fouls and gave fouls when there wasn't one, Clancy on VAR was a disgrace and corrupt to the core, trying desperately to give Aberdeen something.

[hibsbollah]

Weirdly i thought the ref had a good consistent first half letting fouls go for both teams, wasnt fussy. Then he went full-fat Clancy. Bowie winning the ball and then getting a var check for violent conduct was funny, Bowie was actually laughing

[Alfred E Newman]

I thought the ref was fine today, it can't be easy with inept linesmen and the Var mob shouting in your ear the whole game.

[Hibbyradge]

Not giving the penalty despite VARs intervention was strong and correct refereeing.

[S4uzee]

The linesman also missed the ball clearly out at the end of the first half and gave offside for the 2nd goal.

I was however very impressed that Robertson didn’t fall for Shinnie falling on top of the ball and grabbing it. Shinnie didn’t try it again

[TrinityHFC]

Without VAR we wouldn’t have got our second, so there’s that.

[greenlex]

The officials were a joke today, from an erroneous flag to disallow our second goal to VAR trying their best to find a reason to give a penalty or a red card against us, Hibs should be asking questions about the standard of the officials today. Dreadful.
I’ll be honest in real time I thought Gayle was offside at the second.

[EdinMike]

I actually thought the ref was fine, am I right in thinking there wasn’t a booking !?

[Mon Dieu4]

I’ll be honest in real time I thought Gayle was offside at the second.

I thought Gayle was offside but didn't impact the play, Cadden was nowhere near offide, as for their penalty, it was right in front of the Aberdeen fans and none of them reacted at all and all of a sudden it's being checked, nonsense

[Alfred E Newman]

I actually thought the ref was fine, am I right in thinking there wasn’t a booking !?

There was hardly a foul of note in the whole game.

[Not In The Know]

Robertson was actually ok as a ref. Just usual guff and got some things wrong. Clancy on the other hand was clearly going out his way to mess us up.

[we are hibs]

Clancy shouldn't be allowed on Hibs games. He's been a joke towards us for a number of years. Lennon called him out on it at Rugby park in 2018.


He's wrongly sent off McGinn V Falkirk in 2015. Was shocking when we lost to rangers 2-1 at ER in 2017. The Killie game in 2018. Celtic at home in a 1-1 in 2019 he failed to send off Ntcham for punching Vela in the throat and decided to book Vela too as well as other dubious calls that day. Sent off Doyle Hayes for a tackle against Celtic in 2023 which VAR had to tell him to overturn. The derby last season when he gave a penalty against Hibs for Vargas jumping into a Hibs player and going down, was told by VAR to have a look and stuck with his wrong decision.


The guy is a joke

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[TrinityHFC]

I thought Gayle was offside but didn't impact the play, Cadden was nowhere near offide, as for their penalty, it was right in front of the Aberdeen fans and none of them reacted at all and all of a sudden it's being checked, nonsense

I haven’t seen it again but BBC gave Gayle an assist for flicking it on.

[Alfred E Newman]

Clancy shouldn't be allowed on Hibs games. He's been a joke towards us for a number of years. Lennon called him out on it at Rugby park in 2018.


He's wrongly sent off McGinn V Falkirk in 2015. Was shocking when we lost to rangers 2-1 at ER in 2017. The Killie game in 2018. Celtic at home in a 1-1 in 2019 he failed to send off Ntcham for punching Vela in the throat and decided to book Vela too as well as other dubious calls that day. Sent off Doyle Hayes for a tackle against Celtic in 2023 which VAR had to tell him to overturn. The derby last season when he gave a penalty against Hibs for Vargas jumping into a Hibs player and going down, was told by VAR to have a look and stuck with his wrong decision.


The guy is a joke

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I think most clubs could probably list the same number of Clancy gaffes. The guy is just an absolutely horrendous referee, totally useless.

[Jones28]

I’ll be honest in real time I thought Gayle was offside at the second.

I did as well, I thought he was yards off on the first replay as well.

Maybe it’s not as easy as we think it is…

[Allant1981]

I thought Gayle was offside but didn't impact the play, Cadden was nowhere near offide, as for their penalty, it was right in front of the Aberdeen fans and none of them reacted at all and all of a sudden it's being checked, nonsense

Gayle flicked it on though so he did impact play

[Real Emerald]

9 minutes of injury time is adding another 20% more on the second half. There were VAR decisions, substitutions but not one injury. How is it possible to add on another 20% more time. It’s getting ridiculous when you see other games with similar circumstances and 3 minute get added. It’s a joke.

[Donegal Hibby]

I thought the whole carry on with the Rocky incident was beyond a joke , surely something has to be done about the handball rule as things are getting silly now.. as to VAR I’d rather see it scraped because as long as there’s people like Clancy in charge of it , it isn’t worth a damn .

[Bob1875]

Just watched the Rocky ‘handball’

Nowhere else in European football does VAR get involved and ask the ref over to the monitor. Absolute clowns ruining our game.

[H18 SFR]

Don Robertson needs an abundance of praise here. His two assistants were simply not up to the job. His VAR was simply unacceptably inept.

How Don Robertson got through that game without a player mutiny, technical areas losing it etc is a miracle. Fair play to him, when the entire match official team was inept or losing it he held it together.

One glaring error was the foul by Bowie which I don’t think was a foul, however, I think Robertson initially went to caution him then realised his error so didn’t make matters worse by cautioning. I think Triantis was also a yellow for his reaction, he threw the ball so hard at the ground it smacked him back in the face, again I think Robertson showed great judgement there not to try and justify his error of a foul.

Robertson was let down badly by the rest of the team today.

[HibbyAndy]

Gayle flicked it on though so he did impact play

Nah he never imo , His head got nowhere near a flick on

[Crookie88]

Thought the ref today was really inconsistent liked that he never gave a foul for shinnie falling over minimal contact but then let other fouls go unpunished also to not give us the goal kick when the ball clearly crossed the line just before half time was a joke, looking back at the replays I don't think Gayle touched the ball for caddens goal and even then he was clearly onside only his arm was beyond the defender

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

I wonder how managers and the VAR refs would react if it was decided that VAR interruptions were considered as part and parcel of the game and so no extra time was added.

[GreenCastle]

Not giving the penalty despite VARs intervention was strong and correct refereeing.

Can hardly remember a ref doing by it - had it happened with Hibs before?

To be fair he never gave the penalty did he?

Was a massive relief when he gave the 2-0 goal and didn’t give the penalty.

[JohnM1875]

I think the ref was pretty good (with the exception of the foul on Bowie that wasn’t given quickly followed by the foul that was given against Bowie), and even after viewing the replay of our second goal several times had no idea what the correct decision should be.

Agree. Absolutley no complaints with the ref or the length of added time given the VAR (not the refs fault) and number of subs.

[ancient hibee]

Can one of those castigating VAR today give us an opinion on them overturning an on field offside decision and allowing the goal to stand?

[Silky]

Robertson was actually ok as a ref. Just usual guff and got some things wrong. Clancy on the other hand was clearly going out his way to mess us up.

I thought he was OK as well. There are many worse refs than him out there. Done well to stand his ground when Clancy tried to get him to give the pen. I think Robertson actually played the game when he was younger, which probably helps a bit.

[RyeSloan]

Can one of those castigating VAR today give us an opinion on them overturning an on field offside decision and allowing the goal to stand?

Don’t think there is much argument re VAR and offsides…especially when it’s correcting a factual wrong.

It’s the nonsense hunt for hand ball pens and random red cards that seems to have gone way overboard. I think it was the Motherwell game a couple of weeks ago and there must have been about 5 VAR checks and not one of them went against what the Ref had already decided.

Thought Robertson was actually OK today. He’s never going to please everyone all of the time so will let him off with the Bowie one. Especially given the fact he deserves huge credit for telling VAR to GTF for wasting everyone’s time on the Rocky incident.

[ancient hibee]

I agree with all that but I think we have to take the rough with the smooth. I quite like Robertson. He tries to keep the game going-only 11 fouls today.

[supermcginn]

Can one of those castigating VAR today give us an opinion on them overturning an on field offside decision and allowing the goal to stand?

As Roy Keane would say, "that's their job".

[Allant1981]

Nah he never imo , His head got nowhere near a flick on

I sit right in line with it and it certainly looked like it at the game

Now I've seen the highlights it doesn't look like it from the tv angles

[Carheenlea]

Having just watched the Rocky “handball” nonsense, it’s deeply worrying that VAR have pulled this up for the referee to look up.

In doing so, VAR is obviously suggesting to the referee that he should be awarding a penalty, but thankfully he saw sense and declined. He must have been flabbergasted when viewing that and asking himself what on earth is going on here?

Be worth keeping an eye on what the consequences might be for Don Robertson in the next few weeks. He might be shunted down the pecking order for a bit.

[greenlex]

Having just watched the Rocky “handball” nonsense, it’s deeply worrying that VAR have pulled this up for the referee to look up.

In doing so, VAR is obviously suggesting to the referee that he should be awarding a penalty, but thankfully he saw sense and declined. He must have been flabbergasted when viewing that and asking himself what on earth is going on here?

Be worth keeping an eye on what the consequences might be for Don Robertson in the next few weeks. He might be shunted down the pecking order for a bit.
VAR getting involved with that is an absolute nonsense.

[hibsbollah]

Having just watched the Rocky “handball” nonsense, it’s deeply worrying that VAR have pulled this up for the referee to look up.

In doing so, VAR is obviously suggesting to the referee that he should be awarding a penalty, but thankfully he saw sense and declined. He must have been flabbergasted when viewing that and asking himself what on earth is going on here?

Be worth keeping an eye on what the consequences might be for Don Robertson in the next few weeks. He might be shunted down the pecking order for a bit.

:agree: Its a good point. Clancy thinking that needed checked was almost as mad as the Bowie violent contact check. (The Bowie one wasnt shown on sportscene- i assume because it was as a ridiculous a ‘claim’ to answer as i thought at the time.)

[Carheenlea]

:agree: Its a good point. Clancy thinking that needed checked was almost as mad as the Bowie violent contact check. (The Bowie one wasnt shown on sportscene- i assume because it was as a ridiculous a ‘claim’ to answer as i thought at the time.)

I was right above that in West Upper, and it was a few seconds of madness.

The what looked like a foul on Bowie to his frustrations and then determination in winning ball back with a great tackle to then find himself being scrutinised for a straight red for serious foul play.

There’s probably a good reason it’s not been shown on Sportscene - I suspect a polite request has been made to spare some blushes.

[hibsbollah]

I was right above that in West Upper, and it was a few seconds of madness.

The what looked like a foul on Bowie to his frustrations and then determination in winning ball back with a great tackle to then find himself being scrutinised for a straight red for serious foul play.

There’s probably a good reason it’s not been shown on Sportscene - I suspect a polite request has been made to spare some blushes.

So, so stupid. The ref clearly thought Bowie had the red mist too, because he gave the foul when there wasnt one, but we could all see even from lower in the west that it was a clean tackle…but Clancy either wasnt watching the screen properly or just thinks he’s untouchable and enjoys wasting everyone’s time.

It actually reflects really well on Bowie that he won the ball and didn’t lose his rag after being initially fouled.

[tamig]

I thought the ref was pretty decent today. Nice to see him sticking it up to VAR for the non-penalty.

[Glory Lurker]

Just seen Sportscene. Not a chance that's handball by Rocky. Was it a foul by leading with the arm though 😬. Not that that was what was being checked.

The possible offside for our second though. Doesn't Gayle need to be interfering with play for it to be off? Not a chance.

[JohnM1875]

Just seen Sportscene. Not a chance that's handball by Rocky. Was it a foul by leading with the arm though 😬. Not that that was what was being checked.

The possible offside for our second though. Doesn't Gayle need to be interfering with play for it to be off? Not a chance.

Not seen anything back yet and could be wrong, but at he game I was guessing the check was to see if Gayle got a touch on the ball or not? Cause he looked offside at the time. If that was the case, no idea why it took so long? So I'm probably wrong.

[CallumLaidlaw]

Not seen anything back yet and could be wrong, but at he game I was guessing the check was to see if Gayle got a touch on the ball or not? Cause he looked offside at the time. If that was the case, no idea why it took so long? So I'm probably wrong.

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Not going to lie, that still looks offside to me, isn't it the sleeve mark these days?

[LaMotta]

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Gayle was just onside.

[LaMotta]

Not going to lie, that still looks offside to me, isn't it the sleeve mark these days?

Dons players foot playing him onside though!

[Glory Lurker]

Not seen anything back yet and could be wrong, but at he game I was guessing the check was to see if Gayle got a touch on the ball or not? Cause he looked offside at the time. If that was the case, no idea why it took so long? So I'm probably wrong.

Made me put it on again! He didn't touch it.

[JohnM1875]

Dons players foot playing him onside though!

Must still be the armpit then! I must be talking crap about the sleeve thing.

Great from Nicky to get the header on target.

[HibbyAndy]

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Can't be offside if its you arm is that right ? That's what Cliff and Fonts said in commentary

[Glory Lurker]

Am I wrong about needing to be interfering with play?

[matty_f]

Am I wrong about needing to be interfering with play?

He’s onside anyway so he could have headed it in himself for all the difference it would have made, but yeah, interfering with play is part of offside.

[KeithTheHibby]

I thought the ref was fine today. It was the useless fanny in the var office who was doing his best to ruin the game.

[B.H.F.C]

Can one of those castigating VAR today give us an opinion on them overturning an on field offside decision and allowing the goal to stand?

That’s all VAR should be there for. Factual stuff that needs corrected.

Giving idiots like Clancy, who have their own prejudices, the opportunity to intervene in things that they don’t need to just interrupts and ruins the game. And most refs would have just followed his advice and given a penalty that is never a penalty.

[Nicho87]

Apart from the Bowie tackle

I thought the ref was decent - let the game flow, didn’t blow on the slightest contact like Dickinson does.

It was the refs behind the scene trying to complicate it

Well done for saying no the the rocky non handball.

[Onion]

Robertson was very up and down, good he didn't give the penalty but missed blatant fouls and gave fouls when there wasn't one, Clancy on VAR was a disgrace and corrupt to the core, trying desperately to give Aberdeen something.

Absolutely detest VAR. Pen incident was classic nonsense. Not one single Dons player claimed for a penalty, the ref saw nothing, no one in the crowd saw anything, but here is Kevin Clancy sitting in his under-pants scouring multiple slo-mo replays looking for something ... anything... to get him off. Pissed off at being denied, Clancy then stops the game for "possible red card" incident, when there ref on the field was no more than 10 feet away.

Clancy was just gaslighting 15000 Hibs fans.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Why do people think the Rocky one isn’t a handball? :confused:

It’s just dropped from a fair height, it’s not taken a touch off anyone etc. and quite clearly hits his arm before hitting anything else. It’s a clear penalty for me, although glad we got away with it.

[Allant1981]

Why do people think the Rocky one isn’t a handball? :confused:

It’s just dropped from a fair height, it’s not taken a touch off anyone etc. and quite clearly hits his arm before hitting anything else. It’s a clear penalty for me, although glad we got away with it.

Not a chance that was a penalty and rightly the ref thought that also.

[JohnM1875]

Why do people think the Rocky one isn’t a handball? :confused:

It’s just dropped from a fair height, it’s not taken a touch off anyone etc. and quite clearly hits his arm before hitting anything else. It’s a clear penalty for me, although glad we got away with it.

Never a penalty. It takes a slight touch off Ambrose head before it hits Rocky. There’s a clip from an Aberdeen fan saying it should be a pen for the challenge. You can see the slight touch off Ambrose in that clip.

[Heisenberg]

Why do people think the Rocky one isn’t a handball? :confused:

It’s just dropped from a fair height, it’s not taken a touch off anyone etc. and quite clearly hits his arm before hitting anything else. It’s a clear penalty for me, although glad we got away with it.

Be interesting to see what the VAR review says. I thought the ref didn’t give it because his arms in a natural position when challenging for the header. Did think he could’ve easily given it though as it does clearly hit his arm first

[hibsbollah]

Why do people think the Rocky one isn’t a handball? :confused:

It’s just dropped from a fair height, it’s not taken a touch off anyone etc. and quite clearly hits his arm before hitting anything else. It’s a clear penalty for me, although glad we got away with it.

It came off Ambrose. Nobody thinks thats a penalty.

[Heisenberg]

Never a penalty. It takes a slight touch off Ambrose head before it hits Rocky. There’s a clip from an Aberdeen fan saying it should be a pen for the challenge. You can see the slight touch off Ambrose in that clip.

I’ll need to go looking for that, only seen the one clip and didn’t see a touch off Ambrose

[Pretty Boy]

Seems I am going against the grain but for as infuriating as the delays are is it not the case VAR and the referee got 3 big decisions correct and all in our favour so to speak?

Goal was disallowed on the field of play, and I thought Gayle was both offside and made contact in real time so I can see how the linesman flagged, then VAR intervened and corrected the decision.

Handball was a bizarre one for VAR to involve themselves in but the referee took their guidance to go and check. There is contact with an arm so the ref has to check if it made contact with Ambrose first(I think it did) and/or if Rocky's arm was unnatural (in the situation I don't think it was). He's made the correct decision in the end.

The 'red card' was nothing of the sort but Bowie did charge back, justifiably frustrated, and tackle with a fair bit of force. I don't think it was even a foul but VAR can't overturn that decision. They have probably seen the speed and force of the tackle and said it needs a look. It was resolved in seconds and the game went on.

9 minutes added time was about right. 2 lengthy VAR checks, a shorter one and 5 different groups of substitutes. I think the ref also signalled he was adding on a bit of time for our time wasting at goal kicks as well.

[Donegal Hibby]

Why do people think the Rocky one isn’t a handball? :confused:

It’s just dropped from a fair height, it’s not taken a touch off anyone etc. and quite clearly hits his arm before hitting anything else. It’s a clear penalty for me, although glad we got away with it.

If that’s a penalty then the games done … never a penalty .

[Aldo]

I thought the Ref was ok but why did he not book Shinnie for the deliberate handball when he blatantly dived trying to win a foul and grabbed the ball when he went to ground?

Then when Boyle was running through after they lost the ball, Shinnie clearly fouls him off the ball with ight in front of the ref yet nothing. They then go on and break up field and nearly get a chance.

Two possible yellow card offences

[hibsbollah]

I thought the Ref was ok but why did he not book Shinnie for the deliberate handball when he blatantly dived trying to win a foul and grabbed the ball when he went to ground?

Then when Boyle was running through after they lost the ball, Shinnie clearly fouls him off the ball with ight in front of the ref yet nothing. They then go on and break up field and nearly get a chance.

Two possible yellow card offences

I think we need to be grateful that for once a ref saw through Shinnies self refereeing. That decision set the tone and apart from being robbed by him once early on Triantis dominated that area.

[greenlex]

Seems I am going against the grain but for as infuriating as the delays are is it not the case VAR and the referee got 3 big decisions correct and all in our favour so to speak?

Goal was disallowed on the field of play, and I thought Gayle was both offside and made contact in real time so I can see how the linesman flagged, then VAR intervened and corrected the decision.

Handball was a bizarre one for VAR to involve themselves in but the referee took their guidance to go and check. There is contact with an arm so the ref has to check if it made contact with Ambrose first(I think it did) and/or if Rocky's arm was unnatural (in the situation I don't think it was). He's made the correct decision in the end.

The 'red card' was nothing of the sort but Bowie did charge back, justifiably frustrated, and tackle with a fair bit of force. I don't think it was even a foul but VAR can't overturn that decision. They have probably seen the speed and force of the tackle and said it needs a look. It was resolved in seconds and the game went on.

9 minutes added time was about right. 2 lengthy VAR checks, a shorter one and 5 different groups of substitutes. I think the ref also signalled he was adding on a bit of time for our time wasting at goal kicks as well.
The Bowie incident wasn’t a foul but it was a forceful challenge. Var getting involved was nonsense. I will however credit the ref for taking the sting out the situation and allowing Bowie to gather himself and calm down a bit.

[Aldo]

I think we need to be grateful that for once a ref saw through Shinnies self refereeing. That decision set the tone and apart from being robbed by him once early on Triantis dominated that area.

Definitely.

It was early on and like you say set the tone throughout.

[JimBHibees]

Absolutely detest VAR. Pen incident was classic nonsense. Not one single Dons player claimed for a penalty, the ref saw nothing, no one in the crowd saw anything, but here is Kevin Clancy sitting in his under-pants scouring multiple slo-mo replays looking for something ... anything... to get him off. Pissed off at being denied, Clancy then stops the game for "possible red card" incident, when there ref on the field was no more than 10 feet away.

Clancy was just gaslighting 15000 Hibs fans.

Nailed it including the underpants reference :greengrin

[Paulie Walnuts]

I’ll need to go looking for that, only seen the one clip and didn’t see a touch off Ambrose

Likewise. If it takes a touch off Ambrose then it’s a different story, it doesn’t look like it does in the clips I’ve seen.

[Callum_62]

Likewise. If it takes a touch off Ambrose then it’s a different story, it doesn’t look like it does in the clips I’ve seen.Touch Ambrose or not, how is rocky meant to challenge for the ball from behind the attacker?

With his arms by his side?

It definitely strikes his arm but we can't be giving penalties for that

Again it's another one that if happened down south would be a 2 second check and move on, never to be talked about again



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[Paulie Walnuts]

Touch Ambrose or not, how is rocky meant to challenge for the ball from behind the attacker?

With his arms by his side?

It definitely strikes his arm but we can't be giving penalties for that

Again it's another one that if happened down south would be a 2 second check and move on, never to be talked about again



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It doesn’t really matter how he’s meant to do it. If he raises his arm in the air away out from his body and the ball hits his arm it’s a penalty imo. You’re not allowed to play the ball with your hand. In much the same way as you can’t go through the back of somebody to win the ball, If you can’t do what you’re trying to do without the ball hitting your hand then you shouldn’t be doing it.

As I said though, if it’s taken a nick off Ambrose then that’s a different story.

[Callum_62]

It doesn’t really matter how he’s meant to do it. If he raises his arm in the air away out from his body and the ball hits his arm it’s a penalty imo. You’re not allowed to play the ball with your hand. If you can’t do what you’re trying to do without the ball hitting your hand then you shouldn’t be doing it.That's not the way football works though

As we've seen countless times

The ball striking your arm doesn't mean penalty - take Declan Gallagher last week or Kye Rowles against us at tynecastle

I'm not just saying this as it was our player, if we got a penalty for something similar id be laughing at that decision

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[Paulie Walnuts]

That's not the way football works though

As we've seen countless times

The ball striking your arm doesn't mean penalty - take Declan Gallagher last week or Kye Rowles against us at tynecastle

I'm not just saying this as it was our player, if we got a penalty for something similar id be laughing at that decision

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It is the way football works. Much like how you can’t go through the back of someone to win the ball and then say “well how else was I meant to win it?”. If you can’t win a ball without breaking the rules then you shouldn’t be doing it.

I can’t remember the Gallagher one but the Rowles one was a stonewall penalty.

Again though, if Ambrose has knocked it into his hand then different story. If not though then it’s a pen all day imo and we’ve got away with one.

[Allant1981]

It is the way football works. Much like how you can’t go through the back of someone to win the ball and then say “well how else was I meant to win it?”. If you can’t win a ball without breaking the rules then you shouldn’t be doing it.

I can’t remember the Gallagher one but the Rowles one was a stonewall penalty.

Sorry bit you are just talking nonsense, the referee agreed it was not a penalty, He didn't break any rules hence the penalty not being given

[CentreLine]

Playing the clip over again, It is very hard to decide if it hits the attacker’s head or Rocky’s arm. Neither is clear from what I’ve seen.
TBH I think the question has to asked of Clancy as to why he felt the need to re-referee the game.

[BoomtownHibees]

Why do people think the Rocky one isn’t a handball? :confused:

It’s just dropped from a fair height, it’s not taken a touch off anyone etc. and quite clearly hits his arm before hitting anything else. It’s a clear penalty for me, although glad we got away with it.

There’s always one desperate to be different from everybody else. Or 2, you and Kevin Clancy

[Ron D Hibbie]

It is the way football works. Much like how you can’t go through the back of someone to win the ball and then say “well how else was I meant to win it?”. If you can’t win a ball without breaking the rules then you shouldn’t be doing it.

I can’t remember the Gallagher one but the Rowles one was a stonewall penalty.

Again though, if Ambrose has knocked it into his hand then different story. If not though then it’s a pen all day imo and we’ve got away with one.
Please explain to me then how one of our so called top refs didnt give it then.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Sorry bit you are just talking nonsense, the referee agreed it was not a penalty, He didn't break any rules hence the penalty not being given

Ah yes, I forgot no referee has ever made a mistake in the history of the game.

[Paulie Walnuts]

There’s always one desperate to be different from everybody else. Or 2, you and Kevin Clancy

I couldn’t care less about being different or the same as anybody else. I’ll give my opinion either way.

[Allant1981]

Ah yes, I forgot no referee has ever made a mistake in the history of the game.

Ok, so the ref was wrong, everyone who has commented on this is wrong, everyone I sit with at ER couldn't see a pen so are wrong, the pundits on sportscene said it was never a pen but are wrong, but you are correct, got it!!

[BoomtownHibees]

I couldn’t care less about being different or the same as anybody else. I’ll give my opinion either way.

Good for you mate

[Paulie Walnuts]

Ok, so the ref was wrong, everyone who has commented on this is wrong, everyone I sit with at ER couldn't see a pen so are wrong, the pundits on sportscene said it was never a pen but are wrong, but you are correct, got it!!

I’m glad you get it.

Just to be clear, whilst you point out that everyone you sit with didn’t see it, you also admitted earlier in the thread you seen a touch from Gayle that didn’t happen. You’re hardly giving reason to have faith in what you’ve seen.

[Allant1981]

I’m glad you get it.

Just to be clear, whilst you point out that everyone you sit with didn’t see it, you also admitted earlier in the thread you seen a touch from Gayle that didn’t happen. You’re hardly giving reason to have faith in what you’ve seen.

I have also seen the highlights on tv, again this was noted on the post, it's OK to admit you get thing wrong, maybe take note😉

[Paulie Walnuts]

I have also seen the highlights on tv, again this was noted on the post, it's OK to admit you get thing wrong, maybe take note😉

Like when I’ve said if it takes a touch off Ambrose it’s not a penalty you mean?

[Allant1981]

Like when I’ve said if it takes a touch off Ambrose it’s not a penalty you mean?

You clearly haven't seen that though, so you are just going by what someone else has said, thought you were giving your own opinion on it!! Anyway, each to their own, if you think it's a penalty then crack on, it wasn't given so all good for hibs

[CallumLaidlaw]

Ah yes, I forgot no referee has ever made a mistake in the history of the game.

His arm isn’t in an unnatural position.


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[Paulie Walnuts]

You clearly haven't seen that though, so you are just going by what someone else has said, thought you were giving your own opinion on it!! Anyway, each to their own, if you think it's a penalty then crack on, it wasn't given so all good for hibs

I have no idea why it matters that I haven’t seen it :faf:

You’re getting yourself right worked up over an opinion on what was a nothing incident at the end of the day.

[Allant1981]

I have no idea why it matters that I haven’t seen it :faf:

You’re getting yourself right worked up over an opinion on what was a nothing incident at the end of the day.

Because your opinion means nothing when you haven't even seen it, yet trying to get a reaction on here

[Paulie Walnuts]

Because your opinion means nothing when you haven't even seen it, yet trying to get a reaction on here

I don’t need to see it. It’s literally the slightest of touches from Ambrose if there is one. I’ve seen the incident, seeing that slightest of touches makes no difference to me being able to say if it’s taken that touch then it’s not a penalty.

Have you seen the footage off the Aberdeen fans YouTube account? If not then I presume your opinion also means nothing? Have you seen all footage that exists of the incident?

I think you might want to take a lie down and let the rage subside. Nobodies looking for a reaction but you’ve certainly given one :aok:

[Allant1981]

I don’t need to see it. It’s literally the slightest of touches from Ambrose if there is one. I’ve seen the incident, seeing that slightest of touches makes no difference to me being able to say if it’s taken that touch then it’s not a penalty.

Have you seen the footage off the Aberdeen fans YouTube account? If not then I presume your opinion also means nothing? Have you seen all footage that exists of the incident?

I think you might want to take a lie down and let the rage subside. Nobodies looking for a reaction but you’ve certainly given one :aok:

Rage!! OK no worries

[Callum_62]

It is the way football works. Much like how you can’t go through the back of someone to win the ball and then say “well how else was I meant to win it?”. If you can’t win a ball without breaking the rules then you shouldn’t be doing it.

I can’t remember the Gallagher one but the Rowles one was a stonewall penalty.

Again though, if Ambrose has knocked it into his hand then different story. If not though then it’s a pen all day imo and we’ve got away with one.Your saying every handball is a penalty unless it's deflected off an attacker at close range?

It's 100% not the case as we see week on week

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[Paulie Walnuts]

Your saying every handball is a penalty unless it's deflected off an attacker at close range?

It's 100% not the case as we see week on week

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No, I never said that.

An incident in football can have so many incidents/situations occur within a second or so, so there’s no point in trying to find a catch all answer.

When the ball drops out the sky, doesn’t hit anybody and hits you on the arm which is outstretched from your body, that’s a handball imo. If the ball drops out the sky, takes a nick of someone a few inches away from you then hits your arm, that’s not.

[duffers]

Am I the only one that isn’t even convinced it hits his hand at all?

[RyeSloan]

I couldn’t care less about being different or the same as anybody else. I’ll give my opinion either way.

Which is fair enough. Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

But the fact of the matter is the decision, after lengthy review, went against your opinion.

Then when reviewed again by three ex professionals it went against your opinion.

Then when reviewed again by fellow fans it went, unanimously, against your opinion.

So It’s possible that this may be a good occasion to examine what basis you are basing your opinion on.

If after that you still believe your opinion is valid then it’s either admirable, sheer bloody mindedness or just simply wrong [emoji2957] no

[Kato]

Am I the only one that isn’t even convinced it hits his hand at all?Nope. It looks like it nicks off the back of the Aberdeen players head onto Rocky's forehead to me. Doesn't touch Rocky's arm.

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[Paulie Walnuts]

Which is fair enough. Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

But the fact of the matter is the decision, after lengthy review, went against your opinion.

Then when reviewed again by three ex professionals it went against your opinion.

Then when reviewed again by fellow fans it went, unanimously, against your opinion.

So It’s possible that this may be a good occasion to examine what basis you are basing your opinion on.

If after that you still believe your opinion is valid then it’s either admirable, sheer bloody mindedness or just simply wrong [emoji2957] no

Alternatively, it got reviewed by a VAR and they thought it was potentially a penalty. I’ve also spoke to other fans who think it could be a penalty. Heisenberg on this thread also thinks it could have been.

I wouldn’t put too much faith either way into what pundits say. Every week we have people telling us they talk utter *****. We can’t then turn round and use them as examples of sense when they say the same as us :greengrin

[Paulie Walnuts]

His arm isn’t in an unnatural position.


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That depends on your definition of unnatural.

If I want to jump in the air I don’t have my arm outstretched infront of my face, I have them roughly by my side, slightly bent etc - like this:

https://images.app.goo.gl/dVD6LhsmweWdkVkC7 Or https://images.app.goo.gl/9NR1KTnUJWwHaLpC6

If you decide you want to jump whilst using the other player as leverage and putting your arms on their shoulders then that gets out of the realm of ‘natural’ to me and becomes you taking a gamble.

[Callum_62]

No, I never said that.

An incident in football can have so many incidents/situations occur within a second or so, so there’s no point in trying to find a catch all answer.

When the ball drops out the sky, doesn’t hit anybody and hits you on the arm which is outstretched from your body, that’s a handball imo. If the ball drops out the sky, takes a nick of someone a few inches away from you then hits your arm, that’s not.

Having just finished sportscene the final highlight was the killie handball in the box from a corner

Didn't even get sent to the monitor after a long check

I think it's safe to say no one can ever say for sure what is or is not a handball [emoji23]

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[greenginger]

It was in front of his body so wasn’t making his body any bigger

[LaMotta]

Am I the only one that isn’t even convinced it hits his hand at all?


Nope. It looks like it nicks off the back of the Aberdeen players head onto Rocky's forehead to me. Doesn't touch Rocky's arm.

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This :agree::agree:. Based on the Sportscene footage, the ball doesn't actually hit Rocky's arm.

Some Aberdeen fans on Twitter claiming could have been a foul for Rocky's arm nudging the sheep striker. That's the only possible argument for a pen, but it would have been the harshest foul ever, Ambrose doesn't even fall over after the challenge.

[staunchhibby]

After watching several replays I am more convinced that rocky did not handle the ball

[Onion]

It doesn’t really matter how he’s meant to do it. If he raises his arm in the air away out from his body and the ball hits his arm it’s a penalty imo. You’re not allowed to play the ball with your hand. In much the same way as you can’t go through the back of somebody to win the ball, If you can’t do what you’re trying to do without the ball hitting your hand then you shouldn’t be doing it.

As I said though, if it’s taken a nick off Ambrose then that’s a different story.

ChatGPT's explanation of where VAR should get involved "

"For penalties specifically, VAR checks whether a penalty was incorrectly awarded or missed. However, they will only recommend a review if there is a clear and obvious mistake in the referee's decision, such as a foul that clearly didn’t happen, or a blatant handball that the referee missed.

If it's a subjective decision where reasonable minds might differ (like slight contact or borderline handball), VAR usually won't get involved unless the error is glaring. The final decision still rests with the on-field referee after reviewing the footage."

There was nothing clear nor obvious about the handball, so VAR should not have got involved. Fact so many on here cannot agree if it even hit Rocky's arm having watched the incident multiple times proves that. It's just Clancy trying to be relevant and interfering with the game while interfering with himself :greengrin

[CentreLine]

After watching several replays I am more convinced that rocky did not handle the ball

I’ll second that

[HarpOnHibee]

Ball doesn't hit Rocky's arm and even if it had, it's not in an unnatural position for the situation. Common sense was applied yesterday. Shame it was ignored against Ross County.

[davemcbain]

Saw a post match interview with Nicky Cadden and he said that Gayle was annoyed that he wasn't given an assist for his flick on - so suggests Gayle thinks he got a touch.

[blackpoolhibs]

Am I the only one that isn’t even convinced it hits his hand at all?

Me too, I think it hits the attacker's head.

[LewysGot2]

Saw a post match interview with Nicky Cadden and he said that Gayle was annoyed that he wasn't given an assist for his flick on - so suggests Gayle thinks he got a touch.

It was the opposite. Zorro Cadden said he (Nicky) thought Gayle got a touch and that his brother wouldn't be happy at that as it would deny him an assist.

[Carheenlea]

Fr the VAR check on the second goal, the footage of the cross briefly played on the big screen before quickly cutting out.

It would help the paying fans trying to fathom out what is being checked if they just played the footage being scrutinised for all to see would it not?

It TV viewers are permitted to watch it, why not the fans?

[RyeSloan]

Fr the VAR check on the second goal, the footage of the cross briefly played on the big screen before quickly cutting out.

It would help the paying fans trying to fathom out what is being checked if they just played the footage being scrutinised for all to see would it not?

It TV viewers are permitted to watch it, why not the fans?

C’mon they have only just allowed us to see the clock for injury time…gonna be a long wait to actually see the VAR reviews.

But I agree. I really don’t understand why not.

[greenlex]

Fr the VAR check on the second goal, the footage of the cross briefly played on the big screen before quickly cutting out.

It would help the paying fans trying to fathom out what is being checked if they just played the footage being scrutinised for all to see would it not?

It TV viewers are permitted to watch it, why not the fans?
Everyone should also be able to hear the conversation between the VAR room and the ref too. Fans at the stadium and watching in TV. Its 2025 FFS.

[Eyrie]

Everyone should also be able to hear the conversation between the VAR room and the ref too. Fans at the stadium and watching in TV. Its 2025 FFS.

Agreed.

After all, there's nothing to hide. (sarcasm)

[hibsbollah]

Agreed.

After all, there's nothing to hide. (sarcasm)

Apparently.

[Paulie Walnuts]

ChatGPT's explanation of where VAR should get involved "

"For penalties specifically, VAR checks whether a penalty was incorrectly awarded or missed. However, they will only recommend a review if there is a clear and obvious mistake in the referee's decision, such as a foul that clearly didn’t happen, or a blatant handball that the referee missed.

If it's a subjective decision where reasonable minds might differ (like slight contact or borderline handball), VAR usually won't get involved unless the error is glaring. The final decision still rests with the on-field referee after reviewing the footage."

There was nothing clear nor obvious about the handball, so VAR should not have got involved. Fact so many on here cannot agree if it even hit Rocky's arm having watched the incident multiple times proves that. It's just Clancy trying to be relevant and interfering with the game while interfering with himself :greengrin

From what I’ve seen it appears to clearly strike his arm.

[LaMotta]

From what I’ve seen it appears to clearly strike his arm.

I haven't seen any footage that shows it hitting his arm. Certainly not the official footage anyway. Do you have a link to a clip mate?

[K-Zazu]

From what I’ve seen it appears to clearly strike his arm.

It can hit his arm and still not be a penalty.

[JimBHibees]

Everyone should also be able to hear the conversation between the VAR room and the ref too. Fans at the stadium and watching in TV. Its 2025 FFS.

Totally agree people watching on tv have more clue what is going on than the paying punters which is totally wrong

[JimBHibees]

Fr the VAR check on the second goal, the footage of the cross briefly played on the big screen before quickly cutting out.

It would help the paying fans trying to fathom out what is being checked if they just played the footage being scrutinised for all to see would it not?

It TV viewers are permitted to watch it, why not the fans?

Yes seen that at the game was clear it was a very close decision

[Brunswickbill]

The linesman also missed the ball clearly out at the end of the first half and gave offside for the 2nd goal.

I was however very impressed that Robertson didn’t fall for Shinnie falling on top of the ball and grabbing it. Shinnie didn’t try it again

Shinnie should have been booked for simulation and intentional hand ball.

[maturehibby]

Shinnie should have been booked for simulation and intentional hand ball.

Wasn't the same Shinnie after a few minutes when referee saw through his dive .
He contributed nothing and as we have seen in the past would have been putting the boot in and in refs face at every occasion .
Think this might be the last time we see him at ER
Leavi

[SickBoy32]

Shinnie should have been booked for simulation and intentional hand ball.

Thought the exact same at the game.

Credit to the ref for not giving a foul for the dive (most refs love to give fouls like that) - but when he gave Hibs the foul, and made a handball gesture - how on earth is that no a booking?!

Clancy on the VAR should be called out. A cheating *******.

[JimBHibees]

Wasn't the same Shinnie after a few minutes when referee saw through his dive .
He contributed nothing and as we have seen in the past would have been putting the boot in and in refs face at every occasion .
Think this might be the last time we see him at ER
Leavi

Think he was as quiet as i have ever seen him.