Kensell Left The Club

[TrinityHFC]

No it’s not and you know fine well it’s not.

He can go away and meet a multitude of people in public. One person he shouldn’t be meeting though is the guy who at the time of the meeting still had the ultimate duty of care to the young boy that White harassed.

I don't know fine well at all, that is a position you've decided to take, not actually being aware of any of the facts of any part of all this.

Perhaps, like us men are encouraged to do these days, he was speaking to him before he moved away to encourage him to become a better person?

We've no idea, any version is as likely as another and usually the truth of these things is rather bland. In this case, a couple of guys who left or were about to leave a job they worked together on catching up before one moved further away, seems a bout as likely as anything.

[Itsnoteasy]

Whole lot of time and effort being put into discussing two ex-employees. They've moved on, I wish them both well for the future but that's as much as I personally care.

Your wishing a sex pest well for the future 🤬

[CL0762]

I’m unsure how anyone can defend Kensell meeting White whilst still club CEO, regardless of what the circumstances were.

The optics alone are not a great look for the club and gives a bad look on what sort of culture might’ve been accepted/tolerated at the club.

[Coco Bryce]

The reality of all that though is you are suggesting that someone who as far as we know hasn't been found guilty of anything inappropriate should be unable to meet people in public.

Wow! You're either at it or daft if you think this is appropriate behavior from BK in this situation.

[One Day Soon]

The reality of all that though is you are suggesting that someone who as far as we know hasn't been found guilty of anything inappropriate should be unable to meet people in public.

I think it has been largely well known that changes were happening and Kensell was leaving - as it happens, later that day. Perhaps Kensell did not have to worry about being the CEO of Hibs and was catching up with an ex colleague / friend before leaving the area and heading back down South?


What a disingenuous reply. I'm suggesting next to nothing about White. I am commenting on Kensell's behaviour.

If Kensell knew he was leaving later that day then going ahead with this meeting in public tells us everything we need to now about his concern for the reputational consequences for the club.

If Kensell did not know he was leaving later that day then going ahead with this meeting in public tell us everything we need to know about his judgment in the role for which he was so lavishly and excessively paid.

[HoboHarry]

Your wishing a sex pest well for the future 🤬
FFS I can't believe I'm having to explain this but there's more than a few half heids on here. White and Kensall are both gone from Hibs and if it wasn't for this thread hanging around like a bad smell neither of them would even cross my mind. I hope White has learned his lesson (which to the best of my knowledge was sordid but not illegal) and goes on to have a productive future, the same for Kensall. Anyway that's me out of this discussion, some of you lot may have hours to kill on this subject but I don't and nor would I want it.

[matty_f]

No it’s not and you know fine well it’s not.

He can go away and meet a multitude of people in public. One person he shouldn’t be meeting though is the guy who at the time of the meeting still had the ultimate duty of care to the young boy that White harassed.

Think we need to bear in mind that Kensell will be in full possession of the facts around the case in order to make a judgement on whether or not the meeting was appropriate.

We don’t know if he spoke to the young adult to whom he holds a duty of care to give context of the meeting etc.

Folk jump to a huge amount of conclusions in order to form the opinion but I am certain that Kensell, with full sight of what happened and what the situation was/is, is far better placed to judge whether the meeting was appropriate than a load of folk across various social media who have a portion of the facts without any of the context around it.

And for the avoidance of doubt, I’m not defending anyone here.

[Coco Bryce]

Think we need to bear in mind that Kensell will be in full possession of the facts around the case in order to make a judgement on whether or not the meeting was appropriate.

We don’t know if he spoke to the young adult to whom he holds a duty of care to give context of the meeting etc.

Folk jump to a huge amount of conclusions in order to form the opinion but I am certain that Kensell, with full sight of what happened and what the situation was/is, is far better placed to judge whether the meeting was appropriate than a load of folk across various social media who have a portion of the facts without any of the context around it.

And for the avoidance of doubt, I’m not defending anyone here.

Maybe so. They wouldn't meet in a coffee joint though.

[Since452]

For the love of god Hibs please appoint someone who's name people can spell right.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Think we need to bear in mind that Kensell will be in full possession of the facts around the case in order to make a judgement on whether or not the meeting was appropriate.

We don’t know if he spoke to the young adult to whom he holds a duty of care to give context of the meeting etc.

Folk jump to a huge amount of conclusions in order to form the opinion but I am certain that Kensell, with full sight of what happened and what the situation was/is, is far better placed to judge whether the meeting was appropriate than a load of folk across various social media who have a portion of the facts without any of the context around it.

And for the avoidance of doubt, I’m not defending anyone here.

I don’t doubt Kensell was in a far better place to judge what was appropriate. As we’ve seen repeatedly over his time here though, his judgement on what’s appropriate is absolutely ridiculous. And meeting someone like White whilst still CEO of Hibs in such a public setting simply isn’t appropriate.

[Jock O]

Think we need to bear in mind that Kensell will be in full possession of the facts around the case in order to make a judgement on whether or not the meeting was appropriate.

We don’t know if he spoke to the young adult to whom he holds a duty of care to give context of the meeting etc.

Folk jump to a huge amount of conclusions in order to form the opinion but I am certain that Kensell, with full sight of what happened and what the situation was/is, is far better placed to judge whether the meeting was appropriate than a load of folk across various social media who have a portion of the facts without any of the context around it.

And for the avoidance of doubt, I’m not defending anyone here.

Pretty well summed up, other than the fact I don't think anyone on here has any facts, but are still judging, and mostly judging Kensell, ironically based on a Sun "exclusive" which means someone took a photo on their phone and sent it to the paper for some small silver. There are actually likely various legal corporate or even just human reasons this meeting may have had to take place. And I am still really struggling with this huge reputational risk to the club, as is proved the main reputational risk is to Kensell, so if he has done it out of purely altruistic reasons, I repeat it makes him a good guy in this specific case. But as you point out Matty none of us really know, and it all based on perceptions. In the overall scheme of things it matters probably little to other than a set of rabble rousers out here still hoping to get BK on a cross before Easter. Although if it was a call for help maybe it has helped, no doubt the moral majority won't care.

Aren't Hibs very supportive of Mens Mental Health support, of which the central theme is don't be afraid to ask for help and to just talk, As always huge hunks of hypocrisy on here, not mentioning the Sam Stanton thread where I have no doubt people saying abuse is dreadful, unless it is someone we don't like like Kensell. Having a duty of care to an ex-employee, or even just a pal, isn't the same as defending what they have done.

And if it was just Kensell saying bye to a mate, or even hello, some of the stuff on here is as usual just crazy.

[Jock O]

Maybe so. They wouldn't meet in a coffee joint though.

Why not? One of the biggest corporate meetings in Edinburgh business in early Y2k was held in an All Bar One in Lothian Road. I will leave you to draw perceptions on the risks of that despite how well it was managed. I have held a disciplinary meeting in a hotel bar before, and attended lots of confidential meetings in coffee shops. Managed properly they are occasionally the best option available, and helpful in the context.

As someone else says imagine if they had the meeting in a hotel and were spotted, or BK was spotted leaving White's house, or if BK had invited him back to Easter Road for a secret meeting. We would be on 2000 pages by now.

[matty_f]

Maybe so. They wouldn't meet in a coffee joint though.

I don’t see why they wouldn’t if, knowing the full scenario, they felt there wasn’t an issue with it.

You could go into Costa and have your coffee served to you by someone who’s convicted of crimes etc - Joe Newell and Martin Boyle have drink driving convictions - that’s the club captain and vice captain. Both found guilty of the crimes.

We’ve got Kensell meeting a guy who - to the best of my knowledge - hasn’t been found guilty or even charged with anything, and who Hibs conducted an investigation into where we have no idea of the outcome.

If that investigation concluded there was no case to answer, for example, why would Kensell not meet him?

Again, for the avoidance of doubt, I’m not saying White is innocent, condoning what he is alleged to have done, or defending the ****.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Wonder how Costa Coffee at Meadowbank will cope with this news.


I have only been in the place 4 times and each time Ben Kensell was there .

so it was you! :)

[Pretty Boy]

I don’t see why they wouldn’t if, knowing the full scenario, they felt there wasn’t an issue with it.

You could go into Costa and have your coffee served to you by someone who’s convicted of crimes etc - Joe Newell and Martin Boyle have drink driving convictions - that’s the club captain and vice captain. Both found guilty of the crimes.

We’ve got Kensell meeting a guy who - to the best of my knowledge - hasn’t been found guilty or even charged with anything, and who Hibs conducted an investigation into where we have no idea of the outcome.

If that investigation concluded there was no case to answer, for example, why would Kensell not meet him?

Again, for the avoidance of doubt, I’m not saying White is innocent, condoning what he is alleged to have done, or defending the ****.

I think a lot of weight is being put on the Sun's heavy implication that meeting White was in some way causation for Kensell leaving his post. Of course that could be the case, none of us know for certain, but the press release didn't read as hastily written or have the 'we will comment further in due course' line often seen when someone leaves suddenly. Added to his wife posting her goodbyes on social media a few weeks back, the rumours that have been circulating about his departure for a while and the shelf life of people in such positions in football not being too long and I'm more inclined to think his departure was planned a long time before this meeting.

It could be argued that it may have been best for him to wait until his leaving was official before meeting White but it's equally plausible he had already cleared his desk and vacated the building a day or 2 before Hibs made official comment. Perhaps he considered his employment with Hibs was complete and he was free to meet who he likes? Perhaps he considered if his departure was being announced that day his duty of care was practically if not technically over and meeting at a time that was mutually convenient was better than waiting another 12 hours? Speculation on my part but just about every post since the Sun article came out is such.

I said plenty about White's alleged actions at the time they were reported and I'd rather he had never been associated with Hibs. He was investigated and subsequently removed his post which suggests Hibs treated the matter with the seriousness it merited and to that end the matter was brought to a close in terms of Hibs being his employer (I have no idea if there was a subsequent referral to the police of indeed if any criminality was alleged). I've had plenty to say about Kensell too and find it all a bit bizarre that I'm now in the position of 'defending' him. It was probably ill advised but it was ultimately news for about 5 minutes, outside of the confines of the obscure corners of the internet that are hibs.net and 'Hibs Twitter' no one is talking about this.

Also I don't think meeting in a coffee shop is relevant at all. I work on trains, in airport departure lounges, in the drivers seat of my car etc all the time. I also often meet people in coffee shops, restaurants etc as it can be less obtrusive than in their place of work, leave less likelihood of getting disturbed in mine and is less likely to cause gossip compared to going to their house or inviting them to mine.

[gbhibby]

so it was you! :)
😆

The times I saw him in Costa at Meadowbank 3 out 4 times he was discussing business things to do with the club armed with a laptop on one occasion.

[matty_f]

I think a lot of weight is being put on the Sun's heavy implication that meeting White was in some way causation for Kensell leaving his post. Of course that could be the case, none of us know for certain, but the press release didn't read as hastily written or have the 'we will comment further in due course' line often seen when someone leaves suddenly. Added to his wife posting her goodbyes on social media a few weeks back, the rumours that have been circulating about his departure for a while and the shelf life of people in such positions in football not being too long and I'm more inclined to think his departure was planned a long time before this meeting.

It could be argued that it may have been best for him to wait until his leaving was official before meeting White but it's equally plausible he had already cleared his desk and vacated the building a day or 2 before Hibs made official comment. Perhaps he considered his employment with Hibs was complete and he was free to meet who he likes? Perhaps he considered if his departure was being announced that day his duty of care was practically if not technically over and meeting at a time that was mutually convenient was better than waiting another 12 hours? Speculation on my part but just about every post since the Sun article came out is such.

I said plenty about White's alleged actions at the time they were reported and I'd rather he had never been associated with Hibs. He was investigated and subsequently removed his post which suggests Hibs treated the matter with the seriousness it merited and to that end the matter was brought to a close in terms of Hibs being his employer (I have no idea if there was a subsequent referral to the police of indeed if any criminality was alleged). I've had plenty to say about Kensell too and find it all a bit bizarre that I'm now in the position of 'defending' him. It was probably ill advised but it was ultimately news for about 5 minutes, outside of the confines of the obscure corners of the internet that are hibs.net and 'Hibs Twitter' no one is talking about this.

Also I don't think meeting in a coffee shop is relevant at all. I work on trains, in airport departure lounges, in the drivers seat of my car etc all the time. I also often meet people in coffee shops, restaurants etc as it can be less obtrusive than in their place of work, leave less likelihood of getting disturbed in mine and is less likely to cause gossip compared to going to their house or inviting them to mine.

Completely agree.

[007]

Seems like now would be a good time to close this thread. Topic exhausted.