11 games till the split

[GreenCastle]

After todays point it’s really important we keep this momentum going.

Games before the split..

Home

Motherwell
Aberdeen
Celtic
Hearts
St Johnstone
Dundee

Away

Ross County
St Mirren
Dundee Utd
Killie
Rangers

Does anyone know the number of points which usually gets you into top 6 ?

I read 37 points is the number to avoid the drop - we sit on 26 right now.

Some difficult games but feel like this team has 100% turned a corner and can make top 6. Though we need wins and to avoid draws like St Johnstone game.

[Hillsidehibby]

Blimey. It’s Hibs. It doesn’t work that way

[B.H.F.C]

The rest of this month is big for us. We really beed to be looking to beat Motherwell and Ross County.

Today was a bonus point, I wasn’t expecting much.

Only having 11 games left until the split underlines how much we need to start making moves in the window for me. No point in waiting until it’s too late to have a proper impact.

[Pretty Boy]

We are in a very odd position.

Part of me is thinking we are good enough to make a run for 4th or even 3rd but the reality is we are still a fair bit closer to 11th and a couple of bad results drags us right back into the mix.

Everyone seems to be capable of beating everyone else. I think the games against Motherwell and Ross County are important. If we are to have a run at Europe those probably fall into the category of must win without mathematically being must win.

[Paul1642]

Having got Derby and Aberdeen at home is big.

I think our home / away balance is good.

[JohnM1875]

We are in a very odd position.

Part of me is thinking we are good enough to make a run for 4th or even 3rd but the reality is we are still a fair bit closer to 11th and a couple of bad results drags us right back into the mix.

Everyone seems to be capable of beating everyone else. I think the games against Motherwell and Ross County are important. If we are to have a run at Europe those probably fall into the category of must win without mathematically being must win.

Third and fourth are currently on the same points, so it's absolutely on.

[Paul1642]

Third and fourth are currently on the same points, so it's absolutely on.

Mental that Aberdeen are in 4th given where they were at the start of November.

[Paulie Walnuts]

In the last 3 seasons:

Motherwell 6th after 33 games with 40
St Mirren 6th after 33 games with 44
Dundee 6th after 33 games with 41

You’ll almost certainly need at least 40 for top 6.

[Real Emerald]

The rest of this month is big for us. We really beed to be looking to beat Motherwell and Ross County.

Today was a bonus point, I wasn’t expecting much.

Only having 11 games left until the split underlines how much we need to start making moves in the window for me. No point in waiting until it’s too late to have a proper impact.

Exactly, it’s very important to get players in sooner rather than later. Bottom 6 would be a disaster for a second season in a row. Fingers crossed they have some signings ready to come in this week.

[21.05.2016]

Mental that Aberdeen are in 4th given where they were at the start of November.

The fact they’re still 4th shows how good a start they had. They’re in an absolute free fall atm.

[Tambo]

A game at a time as always, next week is another big game and must win it we want to be top 6 or above and the next four all games we should be looking to take points from.

Throw in the cup and let's bring on the end of the season run.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

We've got a better fixture list for the rest of the month compared to utd and the sheep. We play well so take points there and keep it going

[andrew_dundee]

We've got a decent gap before we play the Old Firm again. No easy games but the next 4 are all winnable.

Motherwell (H)
Ross County (A)
Aberdeen (H)
St Mirren (A)

If we can get 8-10 points there we're in with a solid chance of top 6 or better.

[DIXIHIBS]

The league is so close after the last few weeks results. After our recent run of great results and we are only 3 points off 2nd bottom yet also looking up to 3rd/4th. Crazy.

[cubehindthegoal]

In the last 3 seasons:

Motherwell 6th after 33 games with 40
St Mirren 6th after 33 games with 44
Dundee 6th after 33 games with 41

You’ll almost certainly need at least 40 for top 6.

So, if we sit on 26 points and 11 games before split (someone said above I think), then from those 11 games, if we get :

5 wins
3 draws
3 losses

that’s 18 points, and would take us to 44 points. That’s a fair target to aim for, could be achievable, it’s lower than we’ve been achieving last month or so.

[B.H.F.C]

In the last 3 seasons:

Motherwell 6th after 33 games with 40
St Mirren 6th after 33 games with 44
Dundee 6th after 33 games with 41

You’ll almost certainly need at least 40 for top 6.

I think it’ll be a bit more than 40 needed this year looking at where teams sit currently.

At the other end of the table you might also need more points than normal to avoid the playoff place. Last few seasons the team in 11th have finished on 35, 34 and 35. Hearts in 11th currently on 23 with 16 games to play.

The league is a bit mental in terms of how tight it is. Teams could miss out on the top six on goal difference but end up in the playoff place if they lose a few games post split. On the flip side, someone might scrape in and end up in Europe. We won’t stay unbeaten indefinitely but we don’t have much margin for error from now on if we want to end the season in a good position.

[GreenCastle]

In the last 3 seasons:

Motherwell 6th after 33 games with 40
St Mirren 6th after 33 games with 44
Dundee 6th after 33 games with 41

You’ll almost certainly need at least 40 for top 6.

Interesting- so we are looking for at least 14 points from 33 available.

4 wins and 2 draws as a minimum - definitely possible.

Seems the fight to get into the top 6 will be closer than ever this season.

[Ronniekirk]

[QUOTE=B.H.F.C;7860302]The rest of this month is big for us. We really beed to be looking to beat Motherwell and Ross County.

Today was a bonus point, I wasn’t expecting much.

Only having 11 games left until the split underlines how much we need to start making moves in the window for me. No point in waiting until it’s too late to have a proper impact.[/
Given we have drawn our last two games Heartsxare now only three points behind us and we aren’t yet into top six so I think winning our next two games is needed
Thsts not to detract on what’s good unbeaten run we are on and st Johnstone look like they could get stuck in 12 th
But the quicker we can break into the top six the better

[Nicho87]

Can’t believe league winners Aberdeen are within sight.

Not even going to suggest there all winnable

But remove the old firm games and the others very much are

👍🏻

[PHeffernan]

Hibs have now completed their second round of fixtures having played all 11 teams home and away

We only took 8 points from the first round of fixtures which is relegation numbers (anything less than 12 points)
but have recovered with 18 points from the second round of fixtures which is top 6 form

The league is tight with only 4 points separating 6th from the 11th placed club and only 3 points separate Hibs from Hearts.

Can see us getting circa 20 points from the 3rd round of fixtures e.g. 6 wins, 2 draws and 4 losses.
It would be useful for two of those wins to be against Aberdeen at home and Dundee Utd away to reel them back in given they lead us by 8 points.
The fight for 3rd is now on between Dundee Utd, Aberdeen, Hibs and Hearts. 4 clubs fighting for 3 European places.

Our first need to win game of the third round of fixtures is at home to Motherwell who head us by 4 points and have a game in hand.
We should have a good advantage on Saturday given they play their game in hand on Wednesday night so would be playing at Easter Road only 65 hours later against a 6 day rested Hibs.
Only possible fly in the ointment is it's due to be -2 degrees in Kilmarnock before and during the match on Wednesday night.
Does the pants Killie pitch have underground heating to avoid a possible postponement?

P.S. Whilst we play Motherwell, 6th placed St Mirren will be playing Dundee Utd at home. If Hibs win and they share a cheeky wee draw we will be top 6 and only 6 points behind Utd.

[PHeffernan]

bump

[ian cruise]

I still think it's a big ask, with 7th but more points than the team above us bei G the likely end to the season.

The way the league has been so far I wouldn't be counting on any away games being a gimme, and too many draws will be the thing that costs us making up ground on the teams above us (Aberdeen?).

If we stand a chance we need to be winning our home games (bar Celtic) and a derby is always tough to predict. Better Hibs teams have lost to worse Hearts teams.

Agree with those who said Motherwell at weekend has the feel of a "must win" when it comes to keeping European hopes alive.

[greenlex]

The league is so tight in the middle right down to the play off berth.
if you take for instance one game. The loss to Dundee. If that had been reversed we would be comfortably top six right now and Dundee would be in the play off spot. As it is we are 1 point and 2 pts off top six respectively.

we really need to keep winning games by hook or by crook. A couple of defeats and we are right back in the mire.

[Keith_M]

I've decided to just take each game as it comes, and see where we end up.

No point getting your hopes up for a chance of Europe... or panic about relegation.

[PHeffernan]

I still think it's a big ask, with 7th but more points than the team above us bei G the likely end to the season.

The way the league has been so far I wouldn't be counting on any away games being a gimme, and too many draws will be the thing that costs us making up ground on the teams above us (Aberdeen?).

If we stand a chance we need to be winning our home games (bar Celtic) and a derby is always tough to predict. Better Hibs teams have lost to worse Hearts teams.

Agree with those who said Motherwell at weekend has the feel of a "must win" when it comes to keeping European hopes alive.

Yeah, draws are almost as bad as losses unless against the better teams.
Hibs have the most draws in the league this season and along with the sendings off that has killed our points total.

[007]

Europe should always be our target and is now a realistic goal this season, when it hadn't been 6 weeks or so ago. I think any team making top 6 at the split will be in with a decent shout. Ideally we shouldn't be scrabbling around at the last minute trying to make it and then hoping 5th place gets into Europe but, given where we were not long ago, I'm thankful we are in the mix. I'm hopeful we can catch at least one of Dundee United or Aberdeen.

[WestStandWillie]

Next two league matches are crucial. Win them both and our season looks great.

These are the sort of games we didn't turn up in previously, I think there's a mentality in the squad now that can win them.

Tricky league this season, St Johnstone seem doomed so it's a play off spot at worst for the rest to avoid. I think we'll be fine and sadly our weird neighbours will probably scrape into 9th or 10th.

[Chorley Hibee]

I've decided to just take each game as it comes, and see where we end up.

No point getting your hopes up for a chance of Europe... or panic about relegation.

With the league being as tight as it is, I think that's the only thing you can do.

[Ronniekirk]

Yeah, draws are almost as bad as losses unless against the better teams.
Hibs have the most draws in the league this season and along with the sendings off that has killed our points total.

We now seem to have managed to cut off the red cards so it’s just turning draws into wins we need to do It’s stringing together a sequence of wins that can propel you up the league
But we are playing cst h up given our horrendous start
Teams round about seem to be picking up points so thst also puts pressure on us to get a few wins on the trot

[007]

Next two league matches are crucial. Win them both and our season looks great.

These are the sort of games we didn't turn up in previously, I think there's a mentality in the squad now that can win them.

Tricky league this season, St Johnstone seem doomed so it's a play off spot at worst for the rest to avoid. I think we'll be fine and sadly our weird neighbours will probably scrape into 9th or 10th.

Similar to us Hearts have now started to get results (interestingly since Shankland has been out). They're only 3 points behind us and I reckon they'll be in the mix for top 6 come the split. Scoring seems to be a big problem for them at the moment so I expect they'll be keen to get a proven goalscorer in this window. Not easy in January I'd imagine but Tony Bloom has lent McKinlay his iPhone with Wyscout Diamond subscription and ChatGPT Pro so they should easily unearth a gem for knockdown price that nobody else knows about. A mate said he saw Momodou Bojang coming out of the Gorgie Fish Bar with a hamburger supper last night.

[GreenCastle]

Next two league matches are crucial. Win them both and our season looks great.

These are the sort of games we didn't turn up in previously, I think there's a mentality in the squad now that can win them.

Tricky league this season, St Johnstone seem doomed so it's a play off spot at worst for the rest to avoid. I think we'll be fine and sadly our weird neighbours will probably scrape into 9th or 10th.

Definitely one match at a time obviously but the next 4 before Celtic are HUGE.

Motherwell - beat them 3 nil last game but beat us 2-1 at home earlier in season. 4 points ahead of us..could be only 1 if we beat them.

Ross County away - they are good at home - we haven’t beaten them away since Nov 2022 (last 4 away games we haven’t won against them).

Aberdeen home (again!) - free fall currently but still tricky and haven’t lost to them this season.

St Mirren - last 3 games it’s 8v1 for St Mirren. Haven’t beaten them in last 4 games and away since Feb 2023 (though only 2 away matches in that time).

I have confidence in the team to beat anyone right now but getting points on the board sooner rather than later and avoiding the usual late catch up would be useful and add pressure on other teams.

Not sure if both Hibs and Hearts will make top 6.

[PHeffernan]

Definitely one match at a time obviously but the next 4 before Celtic are HUGE.

Motherwell - beat them 3 nil last game but beat us 2-1 at home earlier in season. 4 points ahead of us..could be only 1 if we beat them.

Ross County away - they are good at home - we haven’t beaten them away since Nov 2022 (last 4 away games we haven’t won against them).

Aberdeen home (again!) - free fall currently but still tricky and haven’t lost to them this season.

St Mirren - last 3 games it’s 8v1 for St Mirren. Haven’t beaten them in last 4 games and away since Feb 2023 (though only 2 away matches in that time).

I have confidence in the team to beat anyone right now but getting points on the board sooner rather than later and avoiding the usual late catch up would be useful and add pressure on other teams.

Not sure if both Hibs and Hearts will make top 6.

You may have (probably not) missed something in your calculation re Motherwell .............................................they play at Kilmarnock tomorrow night, weather permitting.

Re the Edinburgh clubs:
Hearts are only 4 points behind 6th place St Mirren and
Hibs are only 4 points behind 5th place Motherwell
They could swallow them up in no time

Hibs probably have Kuharevych and Newell back on Saturday and certainly have them back well before we play Ross County
Best of all we have Bowie and Erik Potato possibly ready for the Aberdeen game and almost certainly ready for the St Mirren game
Plus we will have whoever we manage to bring into the club before the Aberdeen game . Hell 1 starter better than what we have at the moment would be a result.

Game on.

[PHeffernan]

We now seem to have managed to cut off the red cards so it’s just turning draws into wins we need to do It’s stringing together a sequence of wins that can propel you up the league
But we are playing cst h up given our horrendous start
Teams round about seem to be picking up points so thst also puts pressure on us to get a few wins on the trot

I went banzai at the telly when Obita was sent off at Dundee. A parallel horror world where our players appeared to be getting sent off on purpose or some Mr Big was operating their hands and legs remotely to make them transgress. The dug ran away and hid under the bed and the wife enquired as to my radgeness.
Fortunately we appeared to pass our heebeegeebees onto Aberdeen late in the next game and they are still fully blown with it.

[basehibby]

I went banzai at the telly when Obita was sent off at Dundee. A parallel horror world where our players appeared to be getting sent off on purpose or some Mr Big was operating their hands and legs remotely to make them transgress. The dug ran away and hid under the bed and the wife enquired as to my radgeness.
Fortunately we appeared to pass our heebeegeebees onto Aberdeen late in the next game and they are still fully blown with it.

It's like we gave the Dons the "cheese touch" in the closing minutes of that 3-3 game and now points won't go near them (hope they pass it onto the Yams)

[PHeffernan]

It's like we gave the Dons the "cheese touch" in the closing minutes of that 3-3 game and now points won't go near them (hope they pass it onto the Yams)

The death touch.
Hopefully they tig someone else before we play them on the 1st Feb.
Just noticed they are indeed playing the yams on Sunday!
It looks a very drawy game which would suit us if we can put Motherwell away.
Would see us 6 points behind Aberdeen and 5 points ahead of Hearts.

[GreenCastle]

With a draw last night - a win this weekend would be massive.

Motherwell away from is 3rd best in the league.

Won’t be easy but Hibs should be confident and would really help as other teams have some tough games around us.

[Itsnoteasy]

Similar to us Hearts have now started to get results (interestingly since Shankland has been out). They're only 3 points behind us and I reckon they'll be in the mix for top 6 come the split. Scoring seems to be a big problem for them at the moment so I expect they'll be keen to get a proven goalscorer in this window. Not easy in January I'd imagine but Tony Bloom has lent McKinlay his iPhone with Wyscout Diamond subscription and ChatGPT Pro so they should easily unearth a gem for knockdown price that nobody else knows about. A mate said he saw Momodou Bojang coming out of the Gorgie Fish Bar with a hamburger supper last night.

Who cares about hertz 🙄

[GreenCastle]

Can’t edit the title but 10 games till the split now.

Really important win yesterday. Next 3 games till so important for the fight for top 6 and higher. Still need ideally at least 4 more wins before split.

Ross County next - very very tough away game but 100% winnable and we should be confident to get 3 points on the road.

Dundee Utd winning was good and bad…good as keeps St Mirren 2 points behind us but Utd further away from us. We play Utd away end of Feb after we play Celtic.

Aberdeen v Hearts today…no winners for us either way..obviously Hearts to get beat but don’t want Aberdeen getting 3 points either !!

[B.H.F.C]

Very important win yesterday to kick off the final round of fixtures.

Next three games through to Celtic are important. You can almost write the games off against them these days and anything you get is a complete bonus. Ross County will be a tough game. Their pitch has been absolutely battered, it won’t be good to watch. We need to keep winning our home games so Aberdeen is an important one. And we’re due St Mirren one, we’re a different side completely to the one that went to Paisley first game of the season.

Hoping we have a couple of players back and one or two in by the time we go to Dingwall. No reason we can’t keep our form going if we do, considering we’ve been digging out results with some fairly limited options.

[Not In The Know]

Does 3rd place (cup winners aside) guarantee group stage footy again?

[JohnM1875]

Does 3rd place (cup winners aside) guarantee group stage footy again?

Could be wrong, but I'm sure I read this is the last season for that. Be fuming if it's Dundee United that benefit from that and not us!

[Alex Trager]

Could be wrong, but I'm sure I read this is the last season for that. Be fuming if it's Dundee United that benefit from that and not us!

Think that is right.

Definitely the cup winner (or third if the cup winner is 1/2) gets the groups.

I am not sure if we can get it again next season, the OF are doing well in Europe but not sure if they are doing enough, or if it is even possible.

[Hibs Go Bragh]

Think that is right.

Definitely the cup winner (or third if the cup winner is 1/2) gets the groups.

I am not sure if we can get it again next season, the OF are doing well in Europe but not sure if they are doing enough, or if it is even possible.

I think we can guarantee we’ll finish 3rd next season then 😂

[WhileTheChief..]

I think we'l comfortably be in the top 6 come the split and expect us to be challenging Dundee Utd and Aberdeen for the Euro spots.

Hearts will struggle to make it and will hopefully remain in a fight to avoid the play-offs.

[GreenCastle]

I think we'l comfortably be in the top 6 come the split and expect us to be challenging Dundee Utd and Aberdeen for the Euro spots.

Hearts will struggle to make it and will hopefully remain in a fight to avoid the play-offs.

If we win the next home derby that could really dent Hearts chances of top 6.

[Chorley Hibee]

I think we can guarantee we’ll finish 3rd next season then 😂

3rd the season before guaranteed group stages and 3rd the season after guaranteed group stages.

A sure fire bet. 🤣

[Donegal Hibby]

Can’t edit the title but 10 games till the split now.

Really important win yesterday. Next 3 games till so important for the fight for top 6 and higher. Still need ideally at least 4 more wins before split.

Ross County next - very very tough away game but 100% winnable and we should be confident to get 3 points on the road.

Dundee Utd winning was good and bad…good as keeps St Mirren 2 points behind us but Utd further away from us. We play Utd away end of Feb after we play Celtic.

Aberdeen v Hearts today…no winners for us either way..obviously Hearts to get beat but don’t want Aberdeen getting 3 points either !!

Away to Ross county is a tough game, really tough but as you say it’s winnable. It won’t be easy but if we could win our next two games it could possibly put us in a nice position considering the other fixtures like when we play Ross County Aberdeen have St Mirren, Dundee U v sevco , Celtic v Dundee ,hertz v Killie and dare I say a sevco win against the sheep weds would also be good .

[Alfred E Newman]

I think we'l comfortably be in the top 6 come the split and expect us to be challenging Dundee Utd and Aberdeen for the Euro spots.

Hearts will struggle to make it and will hopefully remain in a fight to avoid the play-offs.

Going on Saturdays performance I think Motherwell will drop out and Hearts will sneak in.

[Springbank]

This feels like the most winnable Scottish Cup for a long time

Rangers can't win away from home
We've beaten most other teams (or look likely to now)
And Celtic may have the distraction of European ties that coincide with the next 2 rounds of the Scottish Cup

[JohnM1875]

Going on Saturdays performance I think Motherwell will drop out and Hearts will sneak in.

How I see it going as well.

Would love them to finish in the playoff spot. Then go down. Again.

[hibsbollah]

Going on Saturdays performance I think Motherwell will drop out and Hearts will sneak in.

But going on Sundays performance id say Hearts will struggle to take three points against anyone. They may well have it in them to play better than that but it was a relegation performance.

[Tambo]

Just having a look at the rest of the fixtures for next week.

Aberdeen vs St Mirren
Celtic vs Dundee
Hearts vs Kilmarnock
Ross County vs Hibs
St Johnstone vs Motherwell

Dundee United vs Rangers

Aberdeen could go either way, would expect Hearts to get the 3 points but Kilmarnock could cause them problems and let's hope Motherwell get beat again.

We don't have the best of records recently in Dingwall with a defeat and draws, be nice to play them on a Saturday for the fans rather than midweek.

Another must win game!!