Beaton

[hibsbollah]

Why does he call Walsh over to look at Rockys ‘obstruction’ when it was clearly nothing of the sort? VAR is not being used properly. So suspicious, yet again.

[we are hibs]

That wasn't what happened.


The linesman called over Walsh and Walsh ruled it out. Beaton told him to go over look at it and he changed his mind and awarded a goal

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[hibee316]

Because he could have been obstructing his view.

VAR showed he wasn't. Correct decision to send to VAR and correct decision to let the goal stand.

[cabbageandribs1875]

was it not the possibility of rocky being offside that was looked at, before realising it was actually an OG

[Albahibs]

No obstruction whatsoever from Rocky. Correct decision for goal to stand. I was livid at the thought of it being ruled out.

[high bee]

That wasn't what happened.


The linesman called over Walsh and Walsh ruled it out. Beaton told him to go over look at it and he changed his mind and awarded a goal

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This ☝️

It was Beaton that pointed out the linesman's error.

[CapitalGreen]

Why does he call Walsh over to look at Rockys ‘obstruction’ when it was clearly nothing of the sort? VAR is not being used properly. So suspicious, yet again.

It was the linesman who caused it to be disallowed.

Beaton’s intervention got us the goal.

[Silky]

I think, and it pains me to say it, Beaton was right to get Walsh to have a look. Walsh had given it, but chopped it off on the say so of the linesman. Lino was wrong and I think Beaton realised that.

[greenlex]

was it not the possibility of rocky being offside that was looked at, before realising it was actually an OG
Offside and interfering. Yes to the first and no to the second. Absolutely not blocking Gordon and when the ball is headed he’s heading back and making no attempt to play it.

[hibsbollah]

It was the linesman who caused it to be disallowed.

Beaton’s intervention got us the goal.

Fair enough, didnt realise that.
Just an unacceptable length of time looking at what was essentially nothing.

[A Hi-Bee]

Fair enough, didnt realise that.
Just an unacceptable length of time looking at what was essentially nothing.

They huffed and they puffed but still could not rule out one of the best own goals ever seen.
Ho, ho, ho
**** the hertz
:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin :greengrin:greengrin

[Trinity Hibee]

Yes, well done to Beaton for making the ref look at it but let’s be honest there was no justification for ruling that out. The length of time it takes to sort these out is far too long especially for one like yesterday where it’s clear as day it’s a goal. Really fed up with the officials in this country

[HibbyDave]

All the debate could be avoided if the ref’s microphone was broadcast so that we hear the conversation between officials as they do in rugby.

Never happen unless clubs start demanding this.

[Sioux]

was it not the possibility of rocky being offside that was looked at, before realising it was actually an OG

No. Offside occurs the moment the attacking player plays the ball forward. Hitting a defender has nothing to do with it, the offside infringement had already occurred.

[SHODAN]

Beaton gave us that goal. Thanks Beaton I guess.

[Since90+2]

No. Offside occurs the moment the attacking player plays the ball forward. Hitting a defender has nothing to do with it, the offside infringement had already occurred.

Did Campbell play the ball forward tho? I thought it went forward off Rowles.

[Hibernian Verse]

They can take as long as they like as long as they get to the right decision which they did.

[gbhibby]

Can't be offside from a corner kick so Rocky becomes active in the next phase if Campbell is the player who heads the ball it then becomes a line of sight issue which its not,Rowles and the Hearts players are attempting to go for the ball so that takes away the ball hitting them accidentally, so to put it simply it's an own goal which needed no intervention. Campbell claiming the goal probably confused them. VAR should have been telling ref that he was correct in awarding the goal during his conversation with the lino. How many times has a ref consultated a lino like that since VAR?

[B.H.F.C]

It was the linesman who caused it to be disallowed.

Beaton’s intervention got us the goal.

Walsh at fault for me. It has to be Walsh who decided he was interfering with play, linesman wouldn’t have been able to see that from where he was which is why I think he’d have kept the flag down in the first place and asked Walsh.

Walsh, from where he was standing, should have known that it was an OG and that Rocky wasn’t in the way anyway. When you see it from the angle behind the goals he has the perfect view.

[hibsbollah]

They can take as long as they like as long as they get to the right decision which they did.

Disagree. These delays are killing the game. More importantly, theres just no need, i get it if its a bawhair decision if you want to check if the balls crossed the line or something but what we are doing here is re-refereeing the game. Its madness.

[Trinity Hibee]

Disagree. These delays are killing the game. More importantly, theres just no need, i get it if its a bawhair decision if you want to check if the balls crossed the line or something but what we are doing here is re-refereeing the game. Its madness.

Agreed. The longer these checks take, the more sinister it looks. We need to start hearing the conversations between officials. No reason why that can’t happen

[Dibben]

Credit where credit is due… Beaton made sure the correct decision was given.

[Bostonhibby]

That wasn't what happened.


The linesman called over Walsh and Walsh ruled it out. Beaton told him to go over look at it and he changed his mind and awarded a goal

Sent from my SM-A405FN using TapatalkAgree, that linesman was super enthusiastic about flagging every time we looked dangerous. Very odd and a bit obvious I thought.

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[Argylehibby]

Walsh at fault for me. It has to be Walsh who decided he was interfering with play, linesman wouldn’t have been able to see that from where he was which is why I think he’d have kept the flag down in the first place and asked Walsh.

Walsh, from where he was standing, should have known that it was an OG and that Rocky wasn’t in the way anyway. When you see it from the angle behind the goals he has the perfect view.

TBH I think there is a possibility that all 3 officials did the right thing.

Walsh initially gave the goal and the linesman called him over to say that Rocky was offside. He didn’t flag so possibly also said from his angle he couldn’t say if Rocky was interfering with play. Walsh then gets Beaton to check it and he gives the right decision, goal. Might not have happened that way but for possibly the first time in my life I’m willing to give the officials the benefit of the doubt.

The lino for the rest of the first half gave hearts everything.

[Hibernian Verse]

Disagree. These delays are killing the game. More importantly, theres just no need, i get it if its a bawhair decision if you want to check if the balls crossed the line or something but what we are doing here is re-refereeing the game. Its madness.

The game needed re-refereed because the Lino couldn’t do his job properly

[Hibernian Verse]

Walsh at fault for me. It has to be Walsh who decided he was interfering with play, linesman wouldn’t have been able to see that from where he was which is why I think he’d have kept the flag down in the first place and asked Walsh.

Walsh, from where he was standing, should have known that it was an OG and that Rocky wasn’t in the way anyway. When you see it from the angle behind the goals he has the perfect view.

Doesn’t matter that it was an own goal Rocky would have been offside if he was in Gordon’s eye line. The offside is Campbell playing the ball forward.

[Onion]

All the debate could be avoided if the ref’s microphone was broadcast so that we hear the conversation between officials as they do in rugby.

Never happen unless clubs start demanding this.

Can you ever imagine ? Better for folk to think you're a fool, than open your mouth and prove you're corrupt.

If they don't allow refs to speak after the games to explain decisions, not a chance they'll allow real time audio. It would fundamentally change the game in Scotland for ever, and prove everything we've always suspected.

[gbhibby]

Doesn’t matter that it was an own goal Rocky would have been offside if he was in Gordon’s eye line. The offside is Campbell playing the ball forward.

Because Campbell doesn't touch the ball and the last touch is from a corner and it hits a Hearts player where Rocky is standing becomes irrelevant.

[Dr What If?]

Over the last few years I've become so accustomed to this kind of decision going against us I was genuinely surprised the goal was given. I even said to my son that this will be the one that gets called out in the post match VAR review as incorrect.....when its too late. I was also genuinely surprised that Vargas didn't get a penalty late on when he went down in the box.....obviously not a penalty but that hasn't stopped similar being given in the last two derbies.

[B.H.F.C]

Doesn’t matter that it was an own goal Rocky would have been offside if he was in Gordon’s eye line. The offside is Campbell playing the ball forward.

I’m no convinced on the relevance of that in this instance. Had Campbell headed it towards Gordon then aye, I’d get that. Will be interesting to hear what is said when the VAR audio is released.

Either way, Walsh had the perfect position to see Rocky wasn’t interfering and should never have disallowed the goal in the first place. Another crap call from him, against us.

[matty_f]

TBH I think there is a possibility that all 3 officials did the right thing.

Walsh initially gave the goal and the linesman called him over to say that Rocky was offside. He didn’t flag so possibly also said from his angle he couldn’t say if Rocky was interfering with play. Walsh then gets Beaton to check it and he gives the right decision, goal. Might not have happened that way but for possibly the first time in my life I’m willing to give the officials the benefit of the doubt.

The lino for the rest of the first half gave hearts everything.

I think you’re right. Rocky is definitely offside from Campbell’s header, whether it’s punishable is subjective because the referee has to determine if he was interfering with play, so flagging is probably right.

The referee then takes the steer from the linesman and disallows the goal. VAR reviews it and thinks there’s been a mistake, draws the referee’s attention to it, he reviews and agrees and the goal is given.

It wasn’t great for the fans watching, but in terms of process I think everything has worked more or less as it should have, and the correct outcome was arrived at.

If we’d had VAR at the relegation derby when Jordan Foster’s goal was disallowed, we would arguably have stayed up.

[Dashing Bob S]

It shows the terrible officiating hole Scottish football is in when Hibs require BEATON and VAR to serve justice in a straightforward decision.

[JohnM1875]

I’ll no doubt get slaughtered for it, but I actually don't mind Beaton and think he's comfortably the best of the refs up here.

[oneone73]

I’ll no doubt get slaughtered for it, but I actually don't mind Beaton and think he's comfortably the best of the refs up here.

Were you at the 2021 League Cup final, caller?

[BoomtownHibees]

It’s hard to tell if Campbell even got a touch on it.

If he did, then the decision must have been made that Rocky wasn’t actually interfering

If Campbell didn’t touch it then it wouldn’t have mattered where Rocky was standing

[JohnM1875]

Were you at the 2021 League Cup final, caller?

To be fair, I said I don't mind him, not that I think he's class or never makes mistakes. He's easily the best we have to offer up here.

[gbhibby]

I think you’re right. Rocky is definitely offside from Campbell’s header, whether it’s punishable is subjective because the referee has to determine if he was interfering with play, so flagging is probably right.

The referee then takes the steer from the linesman and disallows the goal. VAR reviews it and thinks there’s been a mistake, draws the referee’s attention to it, he reviews and agrees and the goal is given.

It wasn’t great for the fans watching, but in terms of process I think everything has worked more or less as it should have, and the correct outcome was arrived at.

If we’d had VAR at the relegation derby when Jordan Foster’s goal was disallowed, we would arguably have stayed up.

Don't think Campbell touched the ball therefore it a simple own goal.

[Pretty Boy]

I thought it was an example of VAR being used properly in terms of reaching the correct decision. 3 seasons ago that goal would have been disallowed and we'd all be raging about it.

The time it takes is the issue. Over 3 minutes for what was very much a clear and obvious error by the linesman is too long. Even allowing for the fact interference/obstructing a view has a degree of the subjective about it (which is probably why the ref was asked to look at the monitor to make sure he agreed with Beaton) it should have been dealt with in under a minute.

[Gettin' Auld]

The game needed re-refereed because the Lino couldn’t do his job properly
Was that the same lino that got hit in the dish with the ball?

[BoomtownHibees]

Was that the same lino that got hit in the dish with the ball?

Na

[gbhibby]

I thought it was an example of VAR being used properly in terms of reaching the correct decision. 3 seasons ago that goal would have been disallowed and we'd all be raging about it.

The time it takes is the issue. Over 3 minutes for what was very much a clear and obvious error by the linesman is too long. Even allowing for the fact interference/obstructing a view has a degree of the subjective about it (which is probably why the ref was asked to look at the monitor to make sure he agreed with Beaton) it should have been dealt with in under a minute.
There was a few things to look at
1. Rockys position
2. Did Campbell make contact with the ball
3. Who got the last touch (Rowles) and if Campbell touched it was this an accidental contact.
This should have been done and dusted during the consultation between the ref and lino.
Be interested what the audio was, perhaps we will hear it at the VAR review 🤔

[Waxy]

Var used correctly this time.Can they not just get it right every time?

[Lago]

It was the linesman who caused it to be disallowed.

Beaton’s intervention got us the goal.
This👍

[matty_f]

Don't think Campbell touched the ball therefore it a simple own goal.

I think he does? He certainly claimed it 😂

[ancient hibee]

I thought it was an example of VAR being used properly in terms of reaching the correct decision. 3 seasons ago that goal would have been disallowed and we'd all be raging about it.

The time it takes is the issue. Over 3 minutes for what was very much a clear and obvious error by the linesman is too long. Even allowing for the fact interference/obstructing a view has a degree of the subjective about it (which is probably why the ref was asked to look at the monitor to make sure he agreed with Beaton) it should have been dealt with in under a minute.

It will always take longer if the ref has to change his decision.It’s his choice.

[JimBHibees]

I think, and it pains me to say it, Beaton was right to get Walsh to have a look. Walsh had given it, but chopped it off on the say so of the linesman. Lino was wrong and I think Beaton realised that.

I think it was Walsh that ruled it out. The discussion would have been whether Rocky was in line and the lino would have needed the ref to call that.

[Ralphy C]

can anyone explain why the ref and linesman had a consultation, surely if the linesman thinks its offside he just puts his flag up and then VAR steps in. Seems to me he wanted to change the onfield decision b4 it went to VAR?

[JimBHibees]

I think he does? He certainly claimed it 😂

Definitely headed it first

[JimBHibees]

Were you at the 2021 League Cup final, caller?

Or numerous other games