increase in Edinburgh population over next 20 years

[ruthven_raiders]

Seeing an article on crystal palace redevelopment of main stand, cool we video showing building around current mainstand and keeping it open while work continues. Wonder if in the next 20 years we look to expand this might be the route we will go down, especially given the projected population increase around the Edinburgh area. If it ever happens it might be beyond my lifetime lol

[Since90+2]

I'd be surprised if we ever have the need for a stadium holding more than 20k on a regular basis. Even if we did it wouldn't be by much and to encourage season ticket renewals you probably want to have a capacity slightly under what your attendance could be.

Edinburgh just isn't a footballing city so any increase in population is not going to have much of an impact on the local teams.

[ruthven_raiders]

I'd be surprised if we ever have the need for a stadium holding more than 20k on a regular basis. Even if we did it wouldn't be by much and to encourage season ticket renewals you probably want to have a capacity slightly under what your attendance could be.

Edinburgh just isn't a footballing city so any increase in population is not going to have much of an impact on the local teams.

That's fair enough, was thinking beyond my lifetime really, but would be disappointed that attendances wouldn't increase a bit in next few decades. I'm talking 25k or eventually 30k stadium size...who knows maybe football will decline....but I'm just an optimist lol

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Maybe in the future sports stadia will become multi sport venues and perhaps the globe hopping sports may be piques the interest of future generations and we see a variety of sports from our venues…

[Wembley67]

Amazingly in the last 10 years our average home attendance has increased by 60% so you never know!

[green day]

Amazingly in the last 10 years our average home attendance has increased by 60% so you never know!
Despite, apparently not being "a footballing city" whatever that means.......

[Jones28]

ER is perfect, leave her be.

[Waxy]

Fill in that corner

[Up-the-slope]

Fill in that corner

which one? there are 4

[Pagan Hibernia]

Attendances are a funny old thing.

We always hear about the massive post war crowds, but then again our crowds were pretty poor generally in the late 60s and early 70s when we had the tornadoes (a team that really did have a chance of winning the league and competing with the best teams in europe) and ticket prices were much lower. A lot of games seemed to get less than 10k. Then we come to nowadays when the football is generally awful, we're playing in a dead league that we have no chance of winning ever, ticket prices are higher than they should be, and yet our crowds are ok.

Diverged a bit from the thread topic there, what was it? Edinburgh's population growth?

[He's here!]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c80vd0707eyo

10,000 new homes being built near the airport in two new housing developments. That could mean circa 30 or 40k people. Possibly handier for Tynie than ER tho?

[Itsnoteasy]

Amazingly in the last 10 years our average home attendance has increased by 60% so you never know!

Not sure it would have increased if it wasn't for that special day.

[Frazerbob]

How is Edinburgh not a football city? Around 35,000 home fans between the 2 clubs currently. Not bad considering how poor we both are.

[Itsnoteasy]

How is Edinburgh not a football city? Around 35,000 home fans between the 2 clubs currently. Not bad considering how poor we both are.

That's less than 7% of Edinburgh's population.

[easty]

That's less than 7% of Edinburgh's population.

What does it have to be to be a “football city”?

7% seems pretty good to me.

[ruthven_raiders]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c80vd0707eyo

10,000 new homes being built near the airport in two new housing developments. That could mean circa 30 or 40k people. Possibly handier for Tynie than ER tho?

Yeh true enough but think there are some major new developments on the east side of Edinburgh proposed, Edinburgh is definitely a football city, Hibs attendances are pretty good considering how poor we have been in recent years.....also on poor attendances in the 70s, yeh some games had under 10k but remember as a child going to a derby match at Easter road and we were 3 up in half an hour, I'm sure attendance was around 33k....

[Brizo]

Seeing an article on crystal palace redevelopment of main stand, cool we video showing building around current mainstand and keeping it open while work continues. Wonder if in the next 20 years we look to expand this might be the route we will go down, especially given the projected population increase around the Edinburgh area. If it ever happens it might be beyond my lifetime lol


We've never really built on previous waves of newcomers to the city. While we have a small number of Sikh and South Asian fans from the Asian community who arrived in the 1960's and a small number of Polish and East European fans from their arrival in the 2000's I can't think of any group of newcomers who've attached themselves to Hibs in any great numbers.

I doubt many of the post COVID influx of the London and South East England middle classes are interested in football and I'm guessing most that are will be sticking with watching their English teams on TV. I'm thinking most of our recent international immigrants, such as those from Africa , will also already be attached to their EPL "TV" teams.

Most of the increase in our core support's come from the growth of ST culture and the huge increase in the number of women and children who now come to games. I also see a wider cross-section of society coming to games , we have quite a number of studenty well-spoken lads sitting beside us, which wasn't a thing in the 80s. Plus see a lot more tourists and visitors at games now , no doubt as the cities become an all year round city break destination.

No doubt the cities growth will attract some additional new fans but can only see it being minimal and not an increase that would require stadium expansion

[superfurryhibby]

Although the population of Edinburgh is predicted to rise in the next ten years, the demographics are complicated.

Edinburgh Scotland


Males Females Total Males Female Total

0-17 0.0% -0.9% -0.4% -5.5% -5.9% -5.7%
18-44 5.8% 4.4% 5.1% 2.8% 0.2% 1.5%
45-64 7.0% 6.4% 6.7% -7.3% -6.6% -6.9%
65-74 24.2% 21.5% 22.8% 18.4% 20.3% 19.4%
75-84 43.3% 28.1% 34.5% 37.5% 25.8% 30.9%
85+ 32.6% 13.3% 19.8% 42.4% 18.0% 26.5%

Total 8.4% 7.0% 7.7% 2.5% 1.6% 2.0%

https://www.edinburghhsc.scot/the-ijb/jsna/populationanddemographics/


It won't let me cut and paste a screen shot from my surface pro, not sure why. The population drop in 0-17 is significant, as is the drop in 45-64 year olds. Prime football attending demographics.

[EdinMike]

I think you’d have to take into the fact that a lot of people are moving out of Edinburgh nowadays as well, and quite rightly it’s ridiculously expensive to live here. Whether that effects attendances 🤷

[Chip shop Joe]

I am sure I read somewhere (no idea where) that in the next (I think)10 years or so Edinburgh was on course to have a bigger population than Glasgow.

This is in part due to all of the new houses going up in Edinburgh but also the knocking down of the high rise flats in Glasgow and the subsequent relocation of the occupants to areas outside of Glasgow.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think you’d have to take into the fact that a lot of people are moving out of Edinburgh nowadays as well, and quite rightly it’s ridiculously expensive to live here. Whether that effects attendances 🤷

Is there more moving out than there is moving in? I’d be surprised.

[green day]

I am sure I read somewhere (no idea where) that in the next (I think)10 years or so Edinburgh was on course to have a bigger population than Glasgow.

This is in part due to all of the new houses going up in Edinburgh but also the knocking down of the high rise flats in Glasgow and the subsequent relocation of the occupants to areas outside of Glasgow.

It is, but its a bit misleading.

I think that stat concentrates specifically on the council area of "Glasgow" which currently only has a population of ~630k.

The greater Glasgow area is massive and has about 1.8m people !

[Hibernian Verse]

Is there more moving out than there is moving in? I’d be surprised.

That would be an interesting stat to find. I live in Dunfermline now and there are thousands of houses being thrown up particularly in the Duloch/Amazon Way area.

I moved out a two bed flat on Kings Road in Portobello and got a 4 bed house for pretty much the same money 4 years ago. From what I've read towns like Falkirk, Linlithgow, Livingston, Larbert are all getting larger and quickly, think the same is happening in East Lothian & the borders.

[The Spaceman]

That would be an interesting stat to find. I live in Dunfermline now and there are thousands of houses being thrown up particularly in the Duloch/Amazon Way area.

I moved out a two bed flat on Kings Road in Portobello and got a 4 bed house for pretty much the same money 4 years ago. From what I've read towns like Falkirk, Linlithgow, Livingston, Larbert are all getting larger and quickly, think the same is happening in East Lothian & the borders.

Absolutely - there is no land in and around Edinburgh so only possibility is to expand the Lothians and Fife to cater for family homes. Edinburgh has a pretty unique issue where, especially in the city centre/inner city, competing uses to residential development such as Hotels, Student and PRS (never mind Grade A offices) remain very attractive and viable. So as long as Edinburgh remains a vibrant economy (which it will - it’s so diversified with tourism, government, finance and TMT plus three good Universities), we should continue to see house prices grow all around IMO.

Good news for Hibs is that because house prices are so relatively expensive, developments are still viable at currently inflated build costs (many areas elsewhere they aren’t / mothballed as a result). Therefore Edinburgh, Lothians and Fife should see sustained population growth for a long time yet (think Edinburgh city is due to cross above Glasgow City in 20 years or so!). Hopefully, demographically, this leads to more bums on seats.

Back to football - mon the Hibs.

[The Baldmans Comb]

Edinburgh is very much a football city as 35,000 are regular walk up fans to watch what on the whole is absolute dross.

40 to 50,000 attendances would easily be achieved to watch a successful team regularly challenging for Scottish honours with guaranteed Europa league football every year and the odd shout at the Champions league.

Valencia, Brugge, Salzburg, Leipzig are the obvious blueprints which while not quite one team towns but they do have one very dominant team.

Edinburgh problem is that it has two teams of not far off the same size so there is a glass ceiling that can't be breached.

[Frazerbob]

That's less than 7% of Edinburgh's population.

So not a kick in the arse of 1 in 10 Edinburgh folk attend every home game......infrequent fans will push that 7% up. What about cup final supports....both clubs can muster 40k for the right cup final. 80,000 when you add regular attendees to big game attendees means 16% of the population attend Hibs or Hearts matches at some point. Add in Old Firm fans, non attending fans, non league fans & players etc......I recon that makes Edinburgh a football city.

[Hillsidehibby]

Its a weedgie media myth that Edinburgh is not a football city. Whether the football is any good is up for speculation.

[Craig_HFC]

Would be interested to know why Edinburgh is not a 'football city' and also interested to see an example of what is a 'football city' and why.

[Stairway 2 7]

It is, but its a bit misleading.

I think that stat concentrates specifically on the council area of "Glasgow" which currently only has a population of ~630k.

The greater Glasgow area is massive and has about 1.8m people !

Greater Glasgow isn't Glasgow. It encompasses places Dumbarton to Crawford over an hours drive away from each other. It also takes in places that would never call themselves Glasgow like Lanark, Motherwell, Paisley, Hamilton, Airdrie, East Kilbride and Cumbernauld

[Hibernian Verse]

Greater Glasgow isn't Glasgow. It encompasses places Dumbarton to Crawford over an hours drive away from each other. It also takes in places that would never call themselves Glasgow like Lanark, Motherwell, Paisley, Hamilton, Airdrie, East Kilbride and Cumbernauld

Anything West of Hermiston Gate IMO.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

It is, but its a bit misleading.

I think that stat concentrates specifically on the council area of "Glasgow" which currently only has a population of ~630k.

The greater Glasgow area is massive and has about 1.8m people !

Yeah essentially Glasgow is a city of nearly 2M people. Edinburgh will probably never be anywhere near it.

[Lago]

That would be an interesting stat to find. I live in Dunfermline now and there are thousands of houses being thrown up particularly in the Duloch/Amazon Way area.

I moved out a two bed flat on Kings Road in Portobello and got a 4 bed house for pretty much the same money 4 years ago. From what I've read towns like Falkirk, Linlithgow, Livingston, Larbert are all getting larger and quickly, think the same is happening in East Lothian & the borders.
Your spot on, my sister in law and husband moved from a 2 bed flat in Clermiston to a3 bed semi in Galashiels, train from Tweed bank to Waverly makes it a 40 min trip. Here in Kirkcaldy new housing going up like wildfire, easy train commute into Waverly plus new Leven rail link recently opened.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

There's a huge population shift from west to east taking place. Its been going on for a while but has really speeded up in recent years.
Argyll, West Dunbartonshire, Dumfrieshire, Inverclyde and Renfrewshire and all of Ayrshire are seeing population decline.
In contrast the Lothians, Fife, the Forth Valley are growing and even the Borders has reversed a population slump to start growing again.
I'm not too sure though if more people in East Lothian means more people attending ER, especially if the old firm remain the 'establishment' and continue to hog the limelight in the years to come.

[Stairway 2 7]

Yeah essentially Glasgow is a city of nearly 2M people. Edinburgh will probably never be anywhere near it.

No chance. Including places like Cumbernauld and Motherwell in Glasgow City is like saying Livingston and Tranent is in Edinburgh City. Old Firm behaviour, it's like asking an East Dumbarton fan who is his big team

[Stairway 2 7]

84% of Scotland’s population growth in the next 10 years will be in Lothian apparently and Edinburgh will grow by 9%. Although a winning team will do more than any population growth

[ruthven_raiders]

84% of Scotland’s population growth in the next 10 years will be in Lothian apparently and Edinburgh will grow by 9%. Although a winning team will do more than any population growth

Spot on a winning team and consistently doing well over a few years will increase attendances, which means sell outs at the home end, so the demand exceeds supply, then considering increasing capacity might be considered.....we can all dream lol

[greenlex]

Build it and they will come. We’ve seen that over the last few years.

[superfurryhibby]

84% of Scotland’s population growth in the next 10 years will be in Lothian apparently and Edinburgh will grow by 9%. Although a winning team will do more than any population growth

Overall the population of Edinburgh is expected to grow by 7.7% over the period from 2018 to 2030, however, this masks the expected change in population for certain age groups.

The overall growth in population is larger in Edinburgh than nationally, however, the distribution of that growth varies substantially when compared against specific age groups.

https://www.edinburghhsc.scot/the-ijb/jsna/populationanddemographics/

[TelaStella]

Greater Glasgow isn't Glasgow. It encompasses places Dumbarton to Crawford over an hours drive away from each other. It also takes in places that would never call themselves Glasgow like Lanark, Motherwell, Paisley, Hamilton, Airdrie, East Kilbride and Cumbernauld

I don’t think he said it ever was Glasgow though. The Greater Glasgow metropolitan area and the city of Glasgow can be separate yet still very much go hand in hand with one another. This isn’t a particularly foreign concept, see Manchester and London or Paris as a further afield example. Having one place an hours drive from another doesn’t have to mean they have no urban connection, that’s just the scale you’re dealing with in some areas. Glasgow is one of those.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Renfrew_Hibby]

I don’t think he said it ever was Glasgow though. The Greater Glasgow metropolitan area and the city of Glasgow can be separate yet still very much go hand in hand with one another. This isn’t a particularly foreign concept, see Manchester and London or Paris as a further afield example. Having one place an hours drive from another doesn’t have to mean they have no urban connection, that’s just the scale you’re dealing with in some areas. Glasgow is one of those.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The Royal and ancient burgh of Renfrew is just viewed as an outlying area of Glasgow, Paisley is very much independent of Glasgow yet joined at the hip to the city with the East end merging and seamlessly flowing into SW Glasgow. You can be walking down a residential street and be completely unaware that you've left or entered the city.
It's like that basically all the way around Glasgow. Hampden is a stones throw from the border with Lanarkshire yet you would be oblivious to that.
The urban footprint of Glasgow completely dwarfs Edinburgh. Towns like Renfrew, Bishopbriggs or Cambuslang aren't Glasgow yet they ARE Glasgow at the same time.

[TelaStella]

The Royal and ancient burgh of Renfrew is just viewed as an outlying area of Glasgow, Paisley is very much independent of Glasgow yet joined at the hip to the city with the East end merging and seamlessly flowing into SW Glasgow. You can be walking down a residential street and be completely unaware that you've left or entered the city.
It's like that basically all the way around Glasgow. Hampden is a stones throw from the border with Lanarkshire yet you would be oblivious to that.
The urban footprint of Glasgow completely dwarfs Edinburgh. Towns like Renfrew, Bishopbriggs or Cambuslang aren't Glasgow yet they ARE Glasgow at the same time.

Well put. Just to say, the only person I’ve met well enough from Renfrew was a jambo. Couldn’t believe it and thought all hope for that part of the Clyde was lost. Glad to know you’re doing us proud [emoji28].


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[DIXIHIBS]

The Royal and ancient burgh of Renfrew is just viewed as an outlying area of Glasgow, Paisley is very much independent of Glasgow yet joined at the hip to the city with the East end merging and seamlessly flowing into SW Glasgow. You can be walking down a residential street and be completely unaware that you've left or entered the city.
It's like that basically all the way around Glasgow. Hampden is a stones throw from the border with Lanarkshire yet you would be oblivious to that.
The urban footprint of Glasgow completely dwarfs Edinburgh. Towns like Renfrew, Bishopbriggs or Cambuslang aren't Glasgow yet they ARE Glasgow at the same time.

Always found it strange leaving Hampden and going to Rutherglen and it's South Lanarkshire, not Glasgow.

[He's here!]

How is Edinburgh not a football city? Around 35,000 home fans between the 2 clubs currently. Not bad considering how poor we both are.

It's always has more of a reputation as a rugby city when it comes to sport. Largely because of Murrayfield but also because more than a quarter of Edinburgh kids go to fee paying schools where rugby takes precedence over football. Same for some state schools like Boroughmuir, Trinity and Royal High I think.

There are numerous knowledgeable rugby fans among the Hibs (and, I'm sure, the Hearts) support as can be seen by the rugby thread on the other sports forum.

[Stairway 2 7]

I don’t think he said it ever was Glasgow though. The Greater Glasgow metropolitan area and the city of Glasgow can be separate yet still very much go hand in hand with one another. This isn’t a particularly foreign concept, see Manchester and London or Paris as a further afield example. Having one place an hours drive from another doesn’t have to mean they have no urban connection, that’s just the scale you’re dealing with in some areas. Glasgow is one of those.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

There is zero parallel with Paris or London where there is a continuous sprall there is miles of farmland between places like Dumbarton and Glasgow. When the original poster said Edinburgh is expected to take over Glasgow in size, of course he was talking about the city and not including Motherwell or Cumbernauld which itself is bidding for city status

[Onion]

I'd be surprised if we ever have the need for a stadium holding more than 20k on a regular basis. Even if we did it wouldn't be by much and to encourage season ticket renewals you probably want to have a capacity slightly under what your attendance could be.

Edinburgh just isn't a footballing city so any increase in population is not going to have much of an impact on the local teams.

If we did, it would because we've been taken over by a bunch of oil-rich billionaires who have allowed us to steal the OF's best players, outbid them for the "honest mistakes" of officials and revive Pep's career on our relentless journey to European domination :thumbsup: Might need a few extra seats.

[Frazerbob]

It's always has more of a reputation as a rugby city when it comes to sport. Largely because of Murrayfield but also because more than a quarter of Edinburgh kids go to fee paying schools where rugby takes precedence over football. Same for some state schools like Boroughmuir, Trinity and Royal High I think.

There are numerous knowledgeable rugby fans among the Hibs (and, I'm sure, the Hearts) support as can be seen by the rugby thread on the other sports forum.

I’m not sure the rugby city claim stands up…..and I’m a private school educated former rugby player who enjoys going to Murrayfield. Edinburgh get what, 7000? Club rugby attendances have never been lower. Murrayfield is bursting at the seems 6 times a year but the crowd is made up mostly of middle class couples who never set foot in a rugby club the rest of the year.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Well put. Just to say, the only person I’ve met well enough from Renfrew was a jambo. Couldn’t believe it and thought all hope for that part of the Clyde was lost. Glad to know you’re doing us proud [emoji28].


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I'm actually an Ayrshire honest man but reside in Renfrew nowadays.
I may have actually known that Jambo!

[He's here!]

I’m not sure the rugby city claim stands up…..and I’m a private school educated former rugby player who enjoys going to Murrayfield. Edinburgh get what, 7000? Club rugby attendances have never been lower. Murrayfield is bursting at the seems 6 times a year but the crowd is made up mostly of middle class couples who never set foot in a rugby club the rest of the year.

I'm not talking so much about regular attendance (Edinburgh is a bit of an artificial team in my view anyway), more the perception of the city. The old school tie vibe was certainly embedded for many years, maybe not so much now, but there's a 'posher' perception of Edinburgh than Glasgow, Dundee or Aberdeen. Football isn't all consuming in the same way, with the Festival/arts scene possibly another factor in that.

My family are originally from the Borders, which is/was rugby's true heartland IMO and it used to be the case that the Scotland team was a really eclectic mix of Borderers and FPs from public schools.

[TelaStella]

There is zero parallel with Paris or London where there is a continuous sprall there is miles of farmland between places like Dumbarton and Glasgow. When the original poster said Edinburgh is expected to take over Glasgow in size, of course he was talking about the city and not including Motherwell or Cumbernauld which itself is bidding for city status

Parallels with London and Paris could be debatable given both are ‘mega cities’ granted but I think the point still stands… small city area surrounded by much larger urban core. I’ve lived in Glasgow a while and travelled to and through Dumbarton a fair amount. In doing so you’ll pass through a continuation of urban sprawl of Clydebank, kilpatrick and bowling and never seen any farmers on the way personally. Worth noting also a vast amount of the Glasgow’s historic city boundaries were purged in 90’s local boundary reforms. Basically the equivalent of corstorphine being sold to West Lothian and portobello to east L’. Hope this helps.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Itsnoteasy]

So not a kick in the arse of 1 in 10 Edinburgh folk attend every home game......infrequent fans will push that 7% up. What about cup final supports....both clubs can muster 40k for the right cup final. 80,000 when you add regular attendees to big game attendees means 16% of the population attend Hibs or Hearts matches at some point. Add in Old Firm fans, non attending fans, non league fans & players etc......I recon that makes Edinburgh a football city.

I never said Edinburgh wasn't a football city. But 7 in every hundred doesn't seem a lot to me

[WestCoastHibby]

Edinburgh can’t cope with the population it has just now, every bit of spare ground getting soulless shoebox (but premium priced) houses
Terrible roads and the most car hating council going.
Glad I live in the sticks and have less than ten years of work to go

[Baader]

Glasgow obviously bigger but the metropolitan side of it means as a similar comparison, you really need to start including parts of Fife into the greater Edinburgh area. There is a sizable community who work over the Forth and travel into the city every day. Something that gets overlooked in Glasgow's seemingly neverending obsession with trying to get one over on Edinburgh. Both have metropolitan areas well beyond the city limits. Comparing Glasgow to London or Paris really is stretching it a bit. Paris is a relatively small city by area with huge population density and a vast outlying greater region. London has 32 boroughs, the largest of which is over half the population of Glasgow. It's massive.

Sadly have to agree with the take that Edinburgh is not a footballing city though.

[Forza Fred]

Amazingly in the last 10 years our average home attendance has increased by 60% so you never know!

Maybes aye or maybes naw.

The method of ‘counting’ attendances changed by Scottish League decree around 2016(not sure exactly when) to include in every game the total number of season tickets sold in the ‘attendance’ figure, whether the ticket holders were at the game or not.


Frequently I’ve watched the game on Hibs Tv, and the empty spaces were at odds with what was reported in the ‘official attendance figure.

Previously the ‘attendance’ figure was based on the number of people who were physically in attendance.

So, any ‘increase’ needs to be viewed with that in mind.

Having said that, I left Edinburgh in 1974, where the number of female attendees was very, very low……whereas nowadays they make up a fair proportion of the crowd…and given they make up 50 or so % of the population have contributed to increased attendances.

I have often wondered when the very welcome influx of female fans actually started, and what social factors may have driven it.

[Stairway 2 7]

Parallels with London and Paris could be debatable given both are ‘mega cities’ granted but I think the point still stands… small city area surrounded by much larger urban core. I’ve lived in Glasgow a while and travelled to and through Dumbarton a fair amount. In doing so you’ll pass through a continuation of urban sprawl of Clydebank, kilpatrick and bowling and never seen any farmers on the way personally. Worth noting also a vast amount of the Glasgow’s historic city boundaries were purged in 90’s local boundary reforms. Basically the equivalent of corstorphine being sold to West Lothian and portobello to east L’. Hope this helps.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It doesn't. When you leave Dumbarton and Milton there is about 2 miles of rural land before getting into old Kilpatrick, same with Lanark and Carluke that is in greater Glasgow. It's like calling the 1 million people in Lothian Edinburgh. If Cambuslang or Paisley get the city status they are trying for are they actually still a part of another city. My pal is from Motherwell he wouldn't be happy if you said he was from Glasgow although he still calls people from the capital a tuechter. Musselburgh isn't Edinburgh even if there isn't countryside in between.

[Since90+2]

I never said Edinburgh wasn't a football city. But 7 in every hundred doesn't seem a lot to me

It won't be as high as 7 in every 100. You have to take into account that almost every away fan who are in the attendance figures won't be from Edinburgh, and with the old firm and Aberdeen that's a significant proportion of fans being added to that number.

Then you have fans who are travelling from places like West and East Lothian, fife and the borders to attend Hibs games. The actual number of fans who attend a Hibs game at ER from Edinburgh will be quite a bit less than the stated 7%. Certainly not close to 1 in 10 of the population of the city as has been stated.

[blackpoolhibs]

It doesn't. When you leave Dumbarton and Milton there is about 2 miles of rural land before getting into old Kilpatrick, same with Lanark and Carluke that is in greater Glasgow. It's like calling the 1 million people in Lothian Edinburgh. If Cambuslang or Paisley get the city status they are trying for are they actually still a part of another city. My pal is from Motherwell he wouldn't be happy if you said he was from Glasgow although he still calls people from the capital a tuechter. Musselburgh isn't Edinburgh even if there isn't countryside in between.

I dont class Leith as in Edinburgh. :wink:

[Stairway 2 7]

I dont class Leith as in Edinburgh. :wink:

Same. If I meet someone Scottish on holiday I say that's where I'm from also

[He's here!]

Edinburgh can’t cope with the population it has just now, every bit of spare ground getting soulless shoebox (but premium priced) houses
Terrible roads and the most car hating council going.
Glad I live in the sticks and have less than ten years of work to go

You're right there. Driving in and around Edinburgh is soul sapping.

[green day]

I dont class Leith as in Edinburgh. :wink:

My passport years ago used to have Place of Birth as "Leith", til they removed it as an option on the renewal.

It was true, as I was born in the old Eastern General.

[Gmack7]

If the BKs want champions league football their only option is Hibs, we'll need a bigger stadium for all these games, c'mon Bill make it happen and you'll be forever known as the real king Billy

[TelaStella]

It doesn't. When you leave Dumbarton and Milton there is about 2 miles of rural land before getting into old Kilpatrick, same with Lanark and Carluke that is in greater Glasgow. It's like calling the 1 million people in Lothian Edinburgh. If Cambuslang or Paisley get the city status they are trying for are they actually still a part of another city. My pal is from Motherwell he wouldn't be happy if you said he was from Glasgow although he still calls people from the capital a tuechter. Musselburgh isn't Edinburgh even if there isn't countryside in between.

We’re going around in circles here and seem to be back to the beginning with this. Nobody has ever said any of these places are apart of the city of Glasgow. What they are apart of, alongside the city, is Greater Glasgow.

We call it Greater Glasgow because Glasgow is the central district of this metropolis. If Hamilton was at the centre, we’d call it Greater Hamilton which you’d no doubt prefer or maybe If we call it something like Greater Strathclyde that make it more accommodating for you?

I’d fully support Paisley’s bid for city status btw, doesn’t change the dynamic of what we’re discussing whatsoever though. See Manchester and Salford.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Crazyhorse]

If the BKs want champions league football their only option is Hibs, we'll need a bigger stadium for all these games, c'mon Bill make it happen and you'll be forever known as the real king Billy

BK or some other billionaires could invest £100m+ in Hibs to achieve regular Champions League football. If they do that’s the time to expand ER or completely rebuild the stadium.
The Jambos have pished away £10s of millions and are bottom of the league so it really would involve a massive investment to blow everyone accept for Celtic away.

[Stairway 2 7]

We’re going around in circles here and seem to be back to the beginning with this. Nobody has ever said any of these places are apart of the city of Glasgow. What they are apart of, alongside the city, is Greater Glasgow.

We call it Greater Glasgow because Glasgow is the central district of this metropolis. If Hamilton was at the centre, we’d call it Greater Hamilton which you’d no doubt prefer or maybe If we call it something like Greater Strathclyde that make it more accommodating for you?

I’d fully support Paisley’s bid for city status btw, doesn’t change the dynamic of what we’re discussing whatsoever though. See Manchester and Salford.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The original point was someone said Edinburgh is projected to be bigger than Glasgow. Someone said well you need to include greater Glasgow, someone else said Glasgow is basically a city of 1.8 million. I'm not that fussy either way as bigger usually not better and the large increase to Lothian won't be followed with increased amenities like schools and parks.

Anyway this is the hibs thread and Hearts just got beat of the team 3rd in Moldova or outer outer Glasgow as the weegie press call it