Var

[maturehibby]

Who was the VAR official today .
Constantly interfered with referees decisions today resulting in 5 mins extra first half and 10 minutes in the second half .
I met a couple of Spanish men father and son from Malaga off the bus at Abbeyhill looking to find and attend today's game and I assisted them to get tickets for the game and got them seated beside our group in the Lower west for the atmosphere.
They by the end were jumping up and down when Josh stuck the third one away .
But their main complaint was about the length of time it took after VAR interference to restart of the game .
Something I agree with and hopefully we have 2 more supporters

[JJP]

VAR official was Grant Irvine according to BBC match report.

[Hibstrooper]

VAR was re-referring the game today, every decision, it was ridiculous.

I’m glad the ref had the balls to stick by his decision during the game for the 3rd goal, made the VAR official look a right numpty

[Carheenlea]

Ridiculous amount of time to waste on forensically examining footage to look for rules breaches not visible to the naked eye in real time.

I felt for Nicky Cadden having to wait all that time to take his penalty kick. It definitely contributed towards him missing.

Completely ruins the natural flow of the sport.

[B.H.F.C]

VAR was shocking today.

The ref should never have been sent to the monitor at the third. That’s one of them that some refs would have given a foul on the park (I didn’t think it was) but it’s totally subjective. That type should always just be a case of going with the on field decision.

How it took so long to give the OK to the first penalty, in particular, is absolutely beyond me.

Idiots trying to re referee games.

[whiskyhibby]

VAR completely ruined the game today, just seemed to be nit picking for next to no value. They seemed to be working through every possible infringement before giving a goal for Hibs

it really needs to be binned if that’s going to be the norm

[SHODAN]

Fifteen minutes' worth of interventions and they were all wrong. The ref must have been pissed.

[B.H.F.C]

Fifteen minutes' worth of interventions and they were all wrong. The ref must have been pissed.

Aye that’s true. Just constantly stopped the game but never impacted it otherwise. It’s just a total lack of understanding.

[tamig]

Will be interesting to see Collum’s comments on today’s event once that VAR Review video comes out. Inexplicable interference today.

[matty_f]

VAR was murder today, serious questions need to be asked about the decision to send the ref to the monitor for our third goal. Every check took too long, there was no excuse for it.

[Musselbound]

Ridiculous amount of time to waste on forensically examining footage to look for rules breaches not visible to the naked eye in real time.

I felt for Nicky Cadden having to wait all that time to take his penalty kick. It definitely contributed towards him missing.

Completely ruins the natural flow of the sport.

Yes it was unnecessary. Definitely not how it should be done.

[B.H.F.C]

VAR was murder today, serious questions need to be asked about the decision to send the ref to the monitor for our third goal. Every check took too long, there was no excuse for it.

It’s someone looking for things rather than just dealing with what they see.

[Keepthefaith]

totally agree - thought it was meant to be about clear and obvious errors? Collum has been talking about the amount of time decisions have been taking and unwarranted interference - like why both pens were even reviewed when it was so obvious was baffling. just glad the ref had a set of balls to be proud of and stuck with his decision!

[gbhibby]

We seem to be analysed to the nth degree compared to others. Seemed to take an eternity to come to a conclusion to what were simple decisions today.

[matty_f]

We seem to be analysed to the nth degree compared to others. Seemed to take an eternity to come to a conclusion to what were simple decisions today.

Except when it's to find something in our favour. Then it's a quick check and get on with it.

[Donegal Hibby]

Didn’t in one of our penalties getting looked at they then decided to go back and check if there was a offside, seem to remember Cliff Pike saying you think that would have been the first thing they’d have checked rather than going back to check if there was .

[HibeeMackenzie]

Who was the CAR official today .
Constantly interfered with referees decisions today resulting in 5 mins extra first half and 10 minutes in the second half .
I met a couple of Spanish men father and son from Malaga off the bus at Abbeyhill looking to find and attend today's game and I assisted them to get tickets for the game and got them seated beside our group in the Lower west for the atmosphere.
They by the end were jumping up and down when Josh stuck the third one away .
But their main complaint was about the length of time it took after VAR interference to restart of the game .
Something I agree with and hopefully we have 2 more supporters

Lower west and atmosphere? Dictionary definition of mutually exclusive surely

[wookie70]

I felt for Nicky Cadden having to wait all that time to take his penalty kick. It definitely contributed towards him missing.

Made worse because the ref then warned the keeper about being on his line causing further delay. Do they explain how to take a throw at every shy. Refs are just horrendous in Scotland. For all the anti Football teams it is actually the officiating that ruins the game most

[matty_f]

Didn’t in one of our penalties getting looked at they then decided to go back and check if there was a offside, seem to remember Cliff Pike saying you think that would have been the first thing they’d have checked rather than going back to check if there was .

Technically they need to do it in that order. VAR can't intervene for an offside unless it's at a goal or a penalty kick (or other VAR incident).

Once confirmed it's a penalty, it's then in VAR's remit to check for offside.

[matty_f]

Thought the referee was horrendous today, have us nothing all day then pulled two penalties out the bag.

[gbhibby]

Except when it's to find something in our favour. Then it's a quick check and get on with it.
The VAR checks when it's the old firm seem to be very quick when they are the ones who commit the offence and also the offsides seem to be checked quickly when they score.
Be interested to see the timings.

[Donegal Hibby]

Technically they need to do it in that order. VAR can't intervene for an offside unless it's at a goal or a penalty kick (or other VAR incident).

Once confirmed it's a penalty, it's then in VAR's remit to check for offside.

That’s fair enough . The other one mentioned was they thought the Ross County player who was offside might have possibly been blocking our keepers view on the shot that lead up to their goal , not sure if he was or not in fairness.

[Gloucester Hibs]

Thought the referee was horrendous today, have us nothing all day then pulled two penalties out the bag.

Seen much worse tbh, he could’ve easily blew up for HT but let the passage of play develop and we scored from it

[matty_f]

That’s fair enough . The other one mentioned was they thought the Ross County player who was offside might have possibly been blocking our keepers view on the shot that lead up to their goal , not sure if he was or not in fairness.

He was stood right in front of Smith, it could easily have been given imho.

[Posh Swanny]

VAR was shocking today.

The ref should never have been sent to the monitor at the third. That’s one of them that some refs would have given a foul on the park (I didn’t think it was) but it’s totally subjective. That type should always just be a case of going with the on field decision.

How it took so long to give the OK to the first penalty, in particular, is absolutely beyond me.

Idiots trying to re referee games.

Just seen the angle the VAR was showing the ref for the possible foul before the third goal. Shocking. Absolutely shocking. Despite the main camera showing there was clearly nothing in it, the VAR has chosen the one angle in the stadium that makes it look anything like a foul, completely hiding the County player’s awful dive. Raises serious questions to me.

[matty_f]

Just seen the angle the VAR was showing the ref for the possible foul before the third goal. Shocking. Absolutely shocking. Despite the main camera showing there was clearly nothing in it, the VAR has chosen the one angle in the stadium that makes it look anything like a foul, completely hiding the County player’s awful dive. Raises serious questions to me.

It's significant as well, imagine the lift that County would have got if that goal had been ruled out at that stage of the game when they were well on top as it was.
Instead of a sucker punch that killed the game, it would have given them a huge motivation to push for an equaliser.

[Donegal Hibby]

One of the incidents that most annoyed me today was when play was stopped when we were in a great position to get a goal because a Ross County player was down with an ankle injury .

[The Harp Awakes]

One of the incidents that most annoyed me today was when play was stopped when we were in a great position to get a goal because a Ross County player was down with an ankle injury .

That was a crazy decision. There was no challenge whatsoever and the County player went down feigning injury to then jump up after the ref stopped the game.

He was holding his ankle. Why did the ref stop the game :confused:

[Carheenlea]

One of the incidents that most annoyed me today was when play was stopped when we were in a great position to get a goal because a Ross County player was down with an ankle injury .


That was a crazy decision. There was no challenge whatsoever and the County player went down feigning injury to then jump up after the ref stopped the game.

He was holding his ankle. Why did the ref stop the game :confused:

It was a strange one as Rocky was over at him and concerned enough about his injury that he signalled to referee but he allowed play to continue - until we played an attacking pass to open up a promising move before he then decided to halt play.

[matty_f]

It was a strange one as Rocky was over at him and concerned enough about his injury that he signalled to referee but he allowed play to continue - until we played an attacking pass to open up a promising move before he then decided to halt play.

:agree: I think Rocky's reaction probably played a big part in the referee stopping play - I think the boy's fooled Rocky as well, to be honest.

[Silky]

Just seen the angle the VAR was showing the ref for the possible foul before the third goal. Shocking. Absolutely shocking. Despite the main camera showing there was clearly nothing in it, the VAR has chosen the one angle in the stadium that makes it look anything like a foul, completely hiding the County player’s awful dive. Raises serious questions to me.

I actually thought the ref on the pitch had a decent view of it from his position. I'll give him credit for not bowing to the VAR and backing his own decision. He was right as well, despite VAR trying to convince him otherwise.

[Big90inOz]

VAR is supposed to be there to stop obvious errors, it's not working and it's strangling the game. My solution would be both teams get one or two captain reviews where the captain can request the referee to review an incident. Let's be honest the players are very good at recognising when a call is completely wrong. If the appeal is successful then the team keeps the review, an unsuccessful review results in loss of the appeal. It works in other sports so why not football? It would cut down on the amount of stupid reviews.

[Trinity Hibee]

There was even an instance in first half where they were checking for a penalty to us when not a single person in the stadium had seen anything to suggest a penalty should be awarded. As others have said, they are rerefereeing every decision rather than looking at clear and obvious errors. Our 3rd goal was another example, if the ref hadn’t have seen the challenge by Youan then get him over to review but he saw it all and deemed it fair so why is he reviewing it at a monitor. Well done to him for sticking to his guns as that doesn’t happen anywhere near enough

[Posh Swanny]

One of the incidents that most annoyed me today was when play was stopped when we were in a great position to get a goal because a Ross County player was down with an ankle injury .

Rolling around holding his head. One physio comes on clearly treating his ankle before the other one realises so starts doing the “how many fingers am I holding up” routine and ‘treating’ the ‘head injury’.

Added to the reactions from both County players after the two penalty decisions - “he’s pulling me” and “I’ve not touched him” - it just demonstrates how hard everyone makes it for referees. And you can guarantee if the ref had played on and we’d scored from the head injury stoppage - Cowie would have been bleating about it being a danger to players etc.

[lucky]

VAR is spoiling the game as the officials in Scotland always try to make it about them. The number interventions is ruining the game for fans in ground as no one has a clue whats happening. We have big screens they could at least show what they are looking

[Carheenlea]

What was meant to be a facility in the background to help referees make decisions is now an over domineering intrusion into what is meant to be a sport and ruining the game as a spectacle.

It’s almost become the main talking point of football - where the officials are the stars.

VAR is like an unwelcome, overly loud pain in the arse guest at a party who nobody really wanted to come along in the first place and now regret that they did as the party has been completely ruined as they made it all about them.

[CentreLine]

The delay before our first penalty could be taken had to be a factor in the miss. Teams always try to delay opponent’s penalties as long as they can. Yesterday VAR did it for them.

[matty_f]

What was meant to be a facility in the background to help referees make decisions is now an over domineering intrusion into what is meant to be a sport and ruining the game as a spectacle.

It’s almost become the main talking point of football - where the officials are the stars.

VAR is like an unwelcome, overly loud pain in the arse guest at a party who nobody really wanted to come along in the first place and now regret that they did as the party has been completely ruined as they made it all about them.

I like VAR in principle and we've seen it working well (World Cup/Euros/Champions League) but what we have to contend with is an abomination.

I like that it rights wrongs, good goals that would have been disallowed have been given, for example, and despite how bad it is here, I still think it's corrected far more than it's got wrong but they need to invest more in it, and make it better - especially for fans at the game.

It's not going to go away, so improving it is a priority.

[GreenCastle]

Would be so much better if they showed the replays on the big screen - it’s the waiting and having no idea what’s going on which is the worst part.

If teams don’t have a big screen then they shouldn’t be allowed in league or can rent one like they do at the rugby for the season.

[Tyler Durden]

This Grant Irvine seems to be a recurring problem - not the first time he’s made some strange calls involving us is it?

The bigger issue is that these clowns make terrible mistakes and there is no consequence. Collum will admit mistakes but we still have to get same refs the next week.

Wouldn’t surprise me if we have Clancy and Irvine teaming up against us on Boxing Day

[Steve-O]

I was over recently and went to the St Mirren and Dundee Utd games.

A few VAR bits that were so annoying. The worst part is having no clue what is even being checked.

It’s not perfect in the A-League either but you can see replays of the incidents on the big screen so you can at least accept (or not) the decision that’s made.

The refs also now explain the decision briefly over the tannoy - e.g. “goalscorer was in an offside position, no goal”.

[maturehibby]

Lower west and atmosphere? Dictionary definition of mutually exclusive surely

Ask Samuel the rotund Ross County player who coppedva mouthfuls from someone nearby as he was being subbe who commented on.his copulation appearance .
I know your joking but feel that you will ho a long way to
Meet a more vocal and loyal bunch of Hibs fans
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[JimBHibees]

The delay before our first penalty could be taken had to be a factor in the miss. Teams always try to delay opponent’s penalties as long as they can. Yesterday VAR did it for them.

Wasn’t at the game but watched the highlights thought both pens were clear as day. Made no sense for there to be much delay at all. In saying that Grant Irvine is an awful ref so makes sense

[JimBHibees]

Would be so much better if they showed the replays on the big screen - it’s the waiting and having no idea what’s going on which is the worst part.

If teams don’t have a big screen then they shouldn’t be allowed in league or can rent one like they do at the rugby for the season.

Yep fans at ground should hear the communication between var and ref just like in rugby. Will never happen in Scottish football though due to cowardice by officials who should be brave enough to stand by and explain their decisions to the paying fan

[hibee_girl]

Would be so much better if they showed the replays on the big screen - it’s the waiting and having no idea what’s going on which is the worst part.

If teams don’t have a big screen then they shouldn’t be allowed in league or can rent one like they do at the rugby for the season.

That’s my biggest hate about it all. We at the stadium have no idea what they are checking but if we were watching at home we’d have multiple replays from multiple angles.

[LewysGot2]

VAR felt like it was looking for reasons to penalised us.
Joked at the game 'wonder what Hertz fan is on it,"

Got the answer!

He's the one with historical anti-Hibs social media posts, is he not?

[Hibs Go Bragh]

The delay before our first penalty could be taken had to be a factor in the miss. Teams always try to delay opponent’s penalties as long as they can. Yesterday VAR did it for them.

The county players were still trying with both penalties! 3 or 4 players trying to get at the penalty spot both times and get in the face of the player holding the ball. Should be an instant booking! I actually don’t even blame the ref, he had to stand with his finger over his ear while someone else tried desperately to find fault in his (correct) decision.

Some of their tactics for time wasting and feigning injury were the worst I’ve seen in a long time.

[Bobby's Cinema]

Just seen the angle the VAR was showing the ref for the possible foul before the third goal. Shocking. Absolutely shocking. Despite the main camera showing there was clearly nothing in it, the VAR has chosen the one angle in the stadium that makes it look anything like a foul, completely hiding the County player’s awful dive. Raises serious questions to me.
I thought that aswell if it's the one they showed on sportscene it does not give a true reflection of the incident as you get from the wide angle up in the stand. Well done the ref to standing by it.

[GreenCastle]

That’s my biggest hate about it all. We at the stadium have no idea what they are checking but if we were watching at home we’d have multiple replays from multiple angles.

It doesn’t make sense.

The actual paying fan has a worse experience than the fan at home who can see various replays and lines drawn for offside etc.

Fans just get annoyed / cold / bored / frustrated at the stadium.

It would make it more entering a replay and like someone else said least you could accept it to an extent.

It’s all very secretive at the time and makes the stadium / live experience worse than it should be.

[GreenCastle]

The county players were still trying with both penalties! 3 or 4 players trying to get at the penalty spot both times and get in the face of the player holding the ball. Should be an instant booking! I actually don’t even blame the ref, he had to stand with his finger over his ear while someone else tried desperately to find fault in his (correct) decision.

Some of their tactics for time wasting and feigning injury were the worst I’ve seen in a long time.


Think after they scored in 2 mins they were hoping to time waste for the next 88 plus minutes.

Teams like that with the faking of injuries and time wasting deserve to get relegated.

Lost count how many players faked injuries then were back on the pitch 1 minute later like nothing happened.

[LewysGot2]

106 minutes of a match yesterday. 106...all because of JamboVAR and County's shenanigans

[Victor]

The delay before our first penalty could be taken had to be a factor in the miss. Teams always try to delay opponent’s penalties as long as they can. Yesterday VAR did it for them.

I think it was. After the long VAR check, the referee then spoke to the County goalkeeper, telling him to stay on his line. What may not have been obvious to those at the game, was that there was a VAR check on said goalkeeper after the penalty as he launched himself forward, before Cadden took the penalty. Although he appeared to have kept his trailing leg on the line, his movement and the delay beforehand, definitely assisted his save.

[GreenCastle]

106 minutes of a match yesterday. 106...all because of JamboVAR and County's shenanigans

How many minutes was the ball in play?

Longest game at Easter Road for a while.

Took over 2 mins to check first County goal for example.

[ruthven_raiders]

How many minutes was the ball in play?

Longest game at Easter Road for a while.

Took over 2 mins to check first County goal for example.

Think they're trailing real time football of 60mins somewhere, independent timer stops clock when goals scored, injuries etc.....has to eventually be brought in....

[Scouse Hibee]

The ref could have stayed at home as the game was reffed remotely by VAR. Far too many interferences that were not warranted.

[Onion]

I wasn't at the game but thought the keeper was off his line when the ball is struck for the first penalty. Did VAR take a look at it ? In the St J v St M match, a pen was re-taken for that precise reason.

[JimBHibees]

I wasn't at the game but thought the keeper was off his line when the ball is struck for the first penalty. Did VAR take a look at it ? In the St J v St M match, a pen was re-taken for that precise reason.

Think from the highlights his foot was on the line such a poor pen

[B.H.F.C]

The ref could have stayed at home as the game was reffed remotely by VAR. Far too many interferences that were not warranted.

To be fair, all VAR ended up doing was delay it unnecessarily. The infield decision stood every time. Glad the ref was there for once!

[Scooter]

Forget about VAR and the ref performance.

I think the main thing here should be to praise the Ref for standing by his original on pitch decision and not being swayed by VAR

[greenlex]

To be fair, all VAR ended up doing was delay it unnecessarily. The infield decision stood every time. Glad the ref was there for once!
It is necessary tho. That’s the job. Check the goals are ok. Check the penalty calls etc. VAR confirmed every decision bar one that the ref was asked to look at. That’s the very definition of VAR. The time to do it all was cronic but I think that’s the limited version we use here.

[A Hi-Bee]

The game is now run from a caravan somewhere in the weedge, operated by the same small gang from the GFA, no change its Scottish football.

[tamig]

VAR felt like it was looking for reasons to penalised us.
Joked at the game 'wonder what Hertz fan is on it,"

Got the answer!

He's the one with historical anti-Hibs social media posts, is he not?
Whats this conspiracy theory? If there was any truth in that, I doubt he be reffing Grade 1 games. Can you post any links? Or is it just the usual social media misinformation nonsense?

[Hibee Mac]

How long will it take before something changes? I don't know any fans who think VAR is implemented correctly, not one.

It's a shambles in Scotland and it absolutely is ruining the game that we all love. That's not an exaggeration it's absolutely the case, especially for the paying fan in the stadium.

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[gbhibby]

https://www.skysports.com/football/video/12606/13274928/ref-watch-hibernian-penalties-and-goal-analysed
Ref watch analysis on our game at the weekend .

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[B.H.F.C]

It is necessary tho. That’s the job. Check the goals are ok. Check the penalty calls etc. VAR confirmed every decision bar one that the ref was asked to look at. That’s the very definition of VAR. The time to do it all was cronic but I think that’s the limited version we use here.

Na, it wasn’t designed to be used in the way we saw it used on Saturday. There was no need for some of the lengthy checks, the first penalty being the main one. All they needed to do was take a quick look and confirm that the initial decision was ok. They didn’t need to spend minutes looking for something that wasn’t there. Similarly, there was no need for them to get involved at the third goal.

VAR is there to fix clear and obvious errors. Not kill the flow of the game by watching 20 replays of a subjective decision.

[Paul1642]

Na, it wasn’t designed to be used in the way we saw it used on Saturday. There was no need for some of the lengthy checks, the first penalty being the main one. All they needed to do was take a quick look and confirm that the initial decision was ok. They didn’t need to spend minutes looking for something that wasn’t there. Similarly, there was no need for them to get involved at the third goal.

VAR is there to fix clear and obvious errors. Not kill the flow of the game by watching 20 replays of a subjective decision.

VAR is a great concept being poorly implemented. That’s said it seems to be much slower in Scotland than in England which there is no real excuse for.

[B.H.F.C]

VAR is a great concept being poorly implemented. That’s said it seems to be much slower in Scotland than in England which there is no real excuse for.

They’ve made a big thing down south about sticking with the refs call unless there is something really obvious. Even if that message isn’t being pushed as much up here some of the time spent looking at things on Saturday was ridiculous. That to me is the VAR trying to get involved and find things.

[Paul1642]

They’ve made a big thing down south about sticking with the refs call unless there is something really obvious. Even if that message isn’t being pushed as much up here some of the time spent looking at things on Saturday was ridiculous. That to me is the VAR trying to get involved and find things.

I’m sure one of the big things when VAR was proposed was the emphasis on something being a ‘clear and obvious error’ before var involvement. I can fully accept the fine lines being drawn on offsides as it’s effectively matter of fact rather than subjective however it seems to me at least half of what is called by VAR on field is anything but clear and obvious.

I hate to use Hibs as the example after my post about not playing the victim on the open all mikes thread however our 3rd goal on Saturday being a good example. The ref had obviously seen the incident and decided against calling it a foul and him not doing so was anything but a clear and obvious error. Fortunately that was one of the rate occasions where the ref had the confidence to stick with his on field decision.

[matty_f]

I’m sure one of the big things when VAR was proposed was the emphasis on something being a ‘clear and obvious error’ before var involvement. I can fully accept the fine lines being drawn on offsides as it’s effectively matter of fact rather than subjective however it seems to me at least half of what is called by VAR on field is anything but clear and obvious.

I hate to use Hibs as the example after my post about not playing the victim on the open all mikes thread however our 3rd goal on Saturday being a good example. The ref had obviously seen the incident and decided against calling it a foul and him not doing so was anything but a clear and obvious error. Fortunately that was one of the rate occasions where the ref had the confidence to stick with his on field decision.

The decision to get the referee to review the third goal is absolutely baffling - they have to check the goal, I get that, but to have watched that and thought that there was a foul that was also a clear and obvious error from the referee, is absolutely criminal.

Genuinely think the referee stuck to his probation decision because if he'd changed it he'd be questioned about ever getting a top flight gig again.

[GreenCastle]

VAR is a great concept being poorly implemented. That’s said it seems to be much slower in Scotland than in England which there is no real excuse for.

It’s a totally different system.

Clubs in Scotland pay for it.

Celtic pay the most as they are top of the league.

Team in 12 play least.

The system is VAR lite - less cameras and staff involved.

It’s a shambles but less cameras at each stadium means you are lucky if one camera picks up the correct decision.

England also have full time staff being trained - we have part time refs who rarely ever get demoted if they under perform.

Tin pot comes to mind.

[Carheenlea]

VAR is there to fix clear and obvious errors.

It might be worth exploring a secondary video analysis facility to assist VAR with fixing their own VAR operatives clear and obvious errors.

Belt and braces.

[JimBHibees]

Whats this conspiracy theory? If there was any truth in that, I doubt he be reffing Grade 1 games. Can you post any links? Or is it just the usual social media misinformation nonsense?

There is a ref called Snedden who apparently in the past and i think under a pseudonym posted anti Hibs pro hearts stuff on Facebook.

[Callum_62]

https://www.skysports.com/football/video/12606/13274928/ref-watch-hibernian-penalties-and-goal-analysed
Ref watch analysis on our game at the weekend .

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[SHODAN]

There is a ref called Snedden who apparently in the past and i think under a pseudonym posted anti Hibs pro hearts stuff on Facebook.

He was the guy that gave us two penalties v St Mirren in the 1-2 game, and gave us the equaliser before it was disallowed.

If he was posting that stuff before he became a ref then I don't think there's really much of a problem tbh.

EDIT: Just looked up the historical threads and I said as much at the time. Nothing anyone says on here (within reason obv) or elsewhere in support of their team or against their rivals should disqualify them from refereeing Hibs or Hearts games.

[JimBHibees]

He was the guy that gave us two penalties v St Mirren in the 1-2 game, and gave us the equaliser before it was disallowed.

If he was posting that stuff before he became a ref then I don't think there's really much of a problem tbh.

EDIT: Just looked up the historical threads and I said as much at the time. Nothing anyone says on here (within reason obv) or elsewhere in support of their team or against their rivals should disqualify them from refereeing Hibs or Hearts games.

I think anyone supporting a team should not be reffing any games involving that team like happens in England.

[SHODAN]

I think anyone supporting a team should not be reffing any games involving that team like happens in England.

Agreed in principle, but you know why we don't do that here.

[gbhibby]

It’s a totally different system.

Clubs in Scotland pay for it.

Celtic pay the most as they are top of the league.

Team in 12 play least.

The system is VAR lite - less cameras and staff involved.

It’s a shambles but less cameras at each stadium means you are lucky if one camera picks up the correct decision.

England also have full time staff being trained - we have part time refs who rarely ever get demoted if they under perform.

Tin pot comes to mind.
Notice two VAR officials have been stood down because they didn't award The Rangers a penalty in the cup final.
VAR lite or should it be diet VAR

[StevieT]

Notice two VAR officials have been stood down because they didn't award The Rangers a penalty in the cup final.
VAR lite or should it be diet VAR

Was just about to post the same.

Precedent now been set

[wookie70]

Was just about to post the same.

Precedent now been set If you rule against the The Thes you get suspended. Does not apply to other teams. If it was the pen where the shirt was pulled I'd love to know the rule. Is kit a foot away from the body considered the player so the foul is where the kit is touched

[JimBHibees]

Notice two VAR officials have been stood down because they didn't award The Rangers a penalty in the cup final.
VAR lite or should it be diet VAR

What happens to other officials who do other teams over? Jeez Greg Aitken would have a permanent holiday if that policy was consistently applied.

[Donegal Hibby]

What happens to other officials who do other teams over? Jeez Greg Aitken would have a permanent holiday if that policy was consistently applied.

Hunnews wanting their new CEO to take it to court to get a replay like what happened in Belgium .:hilarious

[maturehibby]

Notice two VAR officials have been stood down because they didn't award The Rangers a penalty in the cup final.
VAR lite or should it be diet VAR
What we're the names of the offending officials at the VAR HQ also as well as Aitken not being allowed add Irvine

[Ron D Hibbie]

What we're the names of the offending officials at the VAR HQ also as well as Aitken not being allowed add Irvine

Alan muir and frank connor.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Has a ref ever been given a weekend off after any one of the numerous mistakes made against us in the last couple of years?

[blackpoolhibs]

https://x.com/TamseIIicsonIII/status/1869442130634309838

[BILLYHIBS]

https://x.com/TamseIIicsonIII/status/1869442130634309838

Jesus wept

[JimBHibees]

Alan muir and frank connor.

Jeezo Alan Muir has spent his ref career helping Rangers

[maturehibby]

Hard to believe Muir would err at a penalty decision
Oh!sorry only other time he slipped up was in the game v Falkirk when we were in the championship and everyone in the park except him saw the Falkirk player handle/cuddle the ball in the penalty area .
No free drink for him or Brother Beaton on Sunday night in their local lodge bar

[cubehindthegoal]

Has a ref ever been given a weekend off after any one of the numerous mistakes made against us in the last couple of years?

How unsurprising it happens when it’s sevco. Need to be blind or stupid not to see what this proves. But, nothing to see here, as ever. And on we go as usual, normalising what happens in Scottish football year after year.

[JimBHibees]

https://x.com/TamseIIicsonIII/status/1869442130634309838

That is brilliant even looks like Collum 😂

[JimBHibees]

Hard to believe Muir would err at a penalty decision
Oh!sorry only other time he slipped up was in the game v Falkirk when we were in the championship and everyone in the park except him saw the Falkirk player handle/cuddle the ball in the penalty area .
No free drink for him or Brother Beaton on Sunday night in their local lodge bar

Muir was the nothing to see here var when Sands played volleyball in the box at Ibrox

[Fratelli]

You just know what will happen in forthcoming The Rangers games…they will get every ‘soft’ decision that is going (even more than now) and for any team playing them, the officials will look to make a few ‘honest mistakes!’

Just look at the statement from Willie Collum today…he confirmed other mistakes were made and even when he says ‘VAR was correct’ it is actually rectifying an error from the on-field official.

A heady mixture of incompetence and bias!

[B.H.F.C]

You just know what will happen in forthcoming The Rangers games…they will get every ‘soft’ decision that is going (even more than now) and for any team playing them, the officials will look to make a few ‘honest mistakes!’

Just look at the statement from Willie Collum today…he confirmed other mistakes were made and even when he says ‘VAR was correct’ it is actually rectifying an error from the on-field official.

A heady mixture of incompetence and bias!

The reaction and speed with which they’ve acted is totally different to it would be if it was anyone else (except Celtic obviously).

How many decisions have VAR got wrong yet the guy making the wrong call is still there the next week. They’re upset, stood down immediately.

[gbhibby]

You just know what will happen in forthcoming The Rangers games…they will get every ‘soft’ decision that is going (even more than now) and for any team playing them, the officials will look to make a few ‘honest mistakes!’

Just look at the statement from Willie Collum today…he confirmed other mistakes were made and even when he says ‘VAR was correct’ it is actually rectifying an error from the on-field official.

A heady mixture of incompetence and bias!
Rangers,welcome to what other clubs experience. You will have to suck it up like what other clubs have to do its only a bad mistake Willie when it involves Rangers and Celtic.

[Fratelli]

Rangers,welcome to what other clubs experience. You will have to suck it up like what other clubs have to do its only a bad mistake Willie when it involves Rangers and Celtic.
:top marks

[Joe6-2]

https://x.com/TamseIIicsonIII/status/1869442130634309838

😂😂😂

[KeithTheHibby]

As much as I couldn’t care that the Huns basically lost the opportunity to win a cup it does highlight how poor it is run up here.
It’s probably taken a decision like this to really put it in the spotlight and hopefully see improvement and investment in the system.
Imagine that had been us in hun shoes? Basically a trophy at stake here and they make a massive **** up like that.

[tamig]

Hunnews wanting their new CEO to take it to court to get a replay like what happened in Belgium .:hilarious

Lets go for a replay of the 79 Cup final while we’re at it.

[Joe6-2]

Clements..the whole of Europe is talking about the ‘penalty’ what a complete dick, entitled bas****

[bingo70]

https://x.com/premsportstv/status/1870219800871346267?s=46&t=VghJuoU_bl8ISs-zf5CmHg

Quite incredible red card for Motherwell tonight.

Ref and VAR also missed a stonewall penalty for Killie.

We must be reaching the point where we consider scrapping the whole thing.

[JohnM1875]

https://x.com/premsportstv/status/1870219800871346267?s=46&t=VghJuoU_bl8ISs-zf5CmHg

Quite incredible red card for Motherwell tonight.

Ref and VAR also missed a stonewall penalty for Killie.

We must be reaching the point where we consider scrapping the whole thing.

Can't believe the refs went to the screen and still sent him off. Embarrassing!

It's the nonchalant flick of the hand telling the player 'off' as well that really pisses me off. Looks like he thinks he's so much better than the players and it's a total power trip for him. Absolute throbber.

[Hibernian Verse]

https://x.com/premsportstv/status/1870219800871346267?s=46&t=VghJuoU_bl8ISs-zf5CmHg

Quite incredible red card for Motherwell tonight.

Ref and VAR also missed a stonewall penalty for Killie.

We must be reaching the point where we consider scrapping the whole thing.

Collum will be wishing he’d never taken the job after that. Was that the ref that didn’t see Marshall bundled into the net in Dingwall?

[bingo70]

Collum will be wishing he’d never taken the job after that. Was that the ref that didn’t see Marshall bundled into the net in Dingwall?

No idea, he was dreadful all game though, not just the big decisions.

[JimBHibees]

Can't believe the refs went to the screen and still sent him off. Embarrassing!

It's the nonchalant flick of the hand telling the player 'off' as well that really pisses me off. Looks like he thinks he's so much better than the players and it's a total power trip for him. Absolute throbber.

That seems to be the default with the majority of refs in this country.

[Fratelli]

Can't believe the refs went to the screen and still sent him off. Embarrassing!

It's the nonchalant flick of the hand telling the player 'off' as well that really pisses me off. Looks like he thinks he's so much better than the players and it's a total power trip for him. Absolute throbber.

Horrendous decision where the main BBC Sport web-site has a video of the incident headed-up ‘Worse decision of the season?’

And how has he been ‘rewarded?’ Unbelievably he’s VAR at Tinycastle today!

[Carheenlea]

Can't believe the refs went to the screen and still sent him off. Embarrassing!

It's the nonchalant flick of the hand telling the player 'off' as well that really pisses me off. Looks like he thinks he's so much better than the players and it's a total power trip for him. Absolute throbber.

It’s a decision so bad that VAR should have been suspended for the remainder of season in Scotland as it’s now simply untenable and doing the opposite of what it was meant to do.

Been clear for some time that our officials are unable to be trusted with it, and we’d be doing them a favour by calling a halt, take the heat off them a bit and have a proper think about how we best train them into operating VAR in a proficient manner for the start of season ‘25/‘26, or even if it’s worth doing so.

[HoboHarry]

It’s a decision so bad that VAR should have been suspended for the remainder of season in Scotland as it’s now simply untenable and doing the opposite of what it was meant to do.

Been clear for some time that our officials are unable to be trusted with it, and we’d be doing them a favour by calling a halt, take the heat off them a bit and have a proper think about how we best train them into operating VAR in a proficient manner for the start of season ‘25/‘26, or even if it’s worth doing so.
VAR isn't the problem here though? That was all about the referee seeing something that didn't happen and then being too bloody minded to change his decision.

[Silky]

VAR isn't the problem here though? That was all about the referee seeing something that didn't happen and then being too bloody minded to change his decision.

It's funny, in the Ross County game, I think the VAR was the one who saw something that didn't exist with our third goal, hence why he called the ref to the monitor. Thankfully, he was bloody minded enough to stand his ground on that occasion.

[HoboHarry]

It's funny, in the Ross County game, I think the VAR was the one who saw something that didn't exist with our third goal, hence why he called the ref to the monitor. Thankfully, he was bloody minded enough to stand his ground on that occasion.
I'm not defending VAR, I hate the whole thing with a passion. To me it changed the whole ethos of football, it went from giving attackers the benefit of the doubt and encouraging goal scoring to finding any excuse to chop goals off. It's here to stay but VAR has, in part, made me stop watching as much football as I used to and finding other things to do.

[Northernhibee]

Needs to be a full investigation into the refereeing of that game. Two instances of VAR and the referee missing blatant penalties, one instance of a referee ignoring VAR for a ludicrous decision.

Absolutely stinks but the Glasgow media will only talk about Rangers not getting a contentious decision when they usually get every soft decision going.

I

[where'stheslope]

Needs to be a full investigation into the refereeing of that game. Two instances of VAR and the referee missing blatant penalties, one instance of a referee ignoring VAR for a ludicrous decision.

Absolutely stinks but the Glasgow media will only talk about Rangers not getting a contentious decision when they usually get every soft decision going.

I
That's the problem up here, it only seems a travesty if it happens to one of the Uglies.
Every week the other teams seem to have shocking decisions, but it just seems to be accepted that they are unlucky????

[matty_f]

I’m really torn on VAR, the application of it in Scotland has been horrendous, it’s made the match going experience worse for fans attending games and we’re still seeing ridiculous errors.

However, what rarely gets mentioned is the number of decisions that the referee has got wrong, that VAR has corrected where it’s worked exactly where it should have.

The number of right decisions far outweighs the wrong ones, but nobody goes “thank **** for VAR” for a week when a referee makes a mistake that VAR helps them correct.

There’s a place for it, but as it is just now I don’t think any of us want it - I can’t stand this version of VAR.

[Real Emerald]

VAR isn't the problem here though? That was all about the referee seeing something that didn't happen and then being too bloody minded to change his decision.

I know it’s the rules but the penalty decision against Hearts today was ridiculous, not at all what VAR was meant to do. I’d be raging if that decision was given against Hibs which we have had several times, never a penalty in old money.

[ChilliEater]

I know it’s the rules but the penalty decision against Hearts today was ridiculous, not at all what VAR was meant to do. I’d be raging if that decision was given against Hibs which we have had several times, never a penalty in old money.

I'd be expecting that to be given tbh, but I get what you're saying. I didn't like the old rules, because it seemed like the ref could decide whether or not it was "intentional", which leads to opinion based decisions, rather than a straight yes or no, and wanted it changed to it being an offence when the ball hit a hand, no matter what. Now that the rule is pretty close to being that, I think I like it even less!

After watching their highlights though - why wasn't Hearts #37 sent off for his 2 footed, totally out of control lunge on the Saints defender clearing Wilson's cross in the first few minutes?

[K-Zazu]

The worse one of the lot was when Clancy was told to go to the monitor too look at his brutal decision to award Hearts a penalty and still didn’t change his mind.

[worcesterhibby]

VAR itself is crap. Scottish officials are at best, even crapper than VAR is and at worst absolute cheats.

[weecounty hibby]

Goal line technology and offsides(with the caveat of revising the rule) and nothing else. Black and white no room for ambiguity/cheating. VAR is being used to referee different clubs in a different way

[B.H.F.C]

Goal line technology and offsides(with the caveat of revising the rule) and nothing else. Black and white no room for ambiguity/cheating. VAR is being used to referee different clubs in a different way

I agree. Dont have it covering anything subjective. To many refs are promoted above their level with the number of officials needed for it. All it’s doing is giving more of them an opportunity to make a mess of things.

[Carheenlea]

VAR isn't the problem here though? That was all about the referee seeing something that didn't happen and then being too bloody minded to change his decision.

It is if it’s beyond your capabilities to use properly.

It’s been proven countless times now that VAR is too much for Scottish officials to deal with. The bad calls, errors and confusion were initially put down to teething troubles and would soon be ironed out. We’re almost three years down the line now and we’re seeing some of the worst calls yet.

VAR isn’t working.

[matty_f]

It is if it’s beyond your capabilities to use properly.

It’s been proven countless times now that VAR is too much for Scottish officials to deal with. The bad calls, errors and confusion were initially put down to teething troubles and would soon be ironed out. We’re almost three years down the line now and we’re seeing some of the worst calls yet.

VAR isn’t working.

While there are errors, and some shocking ones at that, VAR has righted far more wrongs that is created, and even if you look at the two in focus over the last week - Rangers were awarded a free kick by the on field referee, so with or without VAR that decision would have been analysed to death and there would have been loads of hand wringing by the media as to why the referee and linesman should have done better.
The referee also sent off the Motherwell player before VAR asked him to check it (because they thought it was not a red). That referee made the mistake and stuck to it so again, irrespective of VAR, that referee makes the mistake.

To counter, St Mirren had a man (Gogic) wrongly sent off by the on field referee which he downgraded to a yellow after VAR helped him out. Hearts “scored” yesterday and VAR correctly picked up the offside that the linesman had missed. Two major incidents in games that would have been wrong without VAR but you won’t hear long conversation about them because they’re right.

The narrative around VAR centres on the few decisions it gets wrong, which is only natural, but it’s right far more often.

It’s still poorly executed and I’m not in favour of what we have now, but imho, I would still rather have games decided on what the teams do rather than referee mistakes, and that’s far more likely with VAR than without, despite the errors.

[Donegal Hibby]

I see Critchley says he didn’t think it was a penalty yesterday and doesn’t like VAR … Micheal Stewart said it was harsh while Scotty Allan said it was the correct decision… going by the rules now on the handball which I think are mad anyhow it was a penalty IMO …


One of the things about VAR I find annoying is every wee decision now seems to be getting scrutinised by it no matter how obvious it is , Rocky’s tackle being one example.

[matty_f]

I see Critchley says he didn’t think it was a penalty yesterday and doesn’t like VAR … Micheal Stewart said it was harsh while Scotty Allan said it was the correct decision… going by the rules now on the handball which I think are mad anyhow it was a penalty IMO …


One of the things about VAR I find annoying is every wee decision now seems to be getting scrutinised by it no matter how obvious it is , Rocky’s tackle being one example.

Your last point is spot on and is one of the biggest issues with VAR.

[WhileTheChief..]

Is that really the case?

How many VAR checks do we see at games at ER? Struggling to think of a time where it was used more than 2 or 3 times.

[GreenCastle]

Is that really the case?

How many VAR checks do we see at games at ER? Struggling to think of a time where it was used more than 2 or 3 times.

Did you go to Ross County game ?

Worst game I’ve been to as the ref was useless and that includes giving us 2 pens and the VAR checks were a joke at times with how long they took.

[WhileTheChief..]

Yup I was there. I go to every game at ER.

It’s pretty rare for VAT to be used that often is the point I made. I didn’t say it never happens.

[GreenCastle]

Yup I was there. I go to every game at ER.

It’s pretty rare for VAT to be used that often is the point I made. I didn’t say it never happens.

Ah ok - got you :)

[HoboHarry]

It is if it’s beyond your capabilities to use properly.

It’s been proven countless times now that VAR is too much for Scottish officials to deal with. The bad calls, errors and confusion were initially put down to teething troubles and would soon be ironed out. We’re almost three years down the line now and we’re seeing some of the worst calls yet.

VAR isn’t working.
I think we are saying the same thing, I said in an earlier post I hate the whole thing. I was just making the point for the Motherwell player VAR wasn't the problem, it was the referees incompetence.

[matty_f]

Yup I was there. I go to every game at ER.

It’s pretty rare for VAT to be used that often is the point I made. I didn’t say it never happens.

You’re right - VAR had six mandatory checks in that game - four goals and two penalties. Think there were potentially a couple of other incidents checked for penalties as well so it did feel like a lot.

[I'm_cabbaged]

You’re right - VAR had six mandatory checks in that game - four goals and two penalties. Think there were potentially a couple of other incidents checked for penalties as well so it did feel like a lot.

Problem was that they were taking ages looking for reasons not to give the penalties instead of a quick look for obvious errors.

[Onion]

Problem was that they were taking ages looking for reasons not to give the penalties instead of a quick look for obvious errors.

You're spot on, which is why VAR should be allowed no more than 10 secs to overturn a decision, otherwise the onfield decision should stand. That should include offsides. If it take longer, then it's not obvious.

For the OF in particular, VAR has become a new, forensic layer of scrutiny that ensures that every possible reason to favour them is taken. No referee, linesman or VAR official ever risks or fears a backlash by favouring Celtic or The Rangers, except in the few occasions when they play each other.

[greenlex]

You're spot on, which is why VAR should be allowed no more than 10 secs to overturn a decision, otherwise the onfield decision should stand. That should include offsides. If it take longer, then it's not obvious.

For the OF in particular, VAR has become a new, forensic layer of scrutiny that ensures that every possible reason to favour them is taken. No referee, linesman or VAR official ever risks or fears a backlash by favouring Celtic or The Rangers, except in the few occasions when they play each other.
10 seconds is far to short a time. Something fairly clear and from the angle be pretty obvious might not be looked at and seen till the third camera angle. I think the correct decision is far more important than time however that impacts the supporters experience. Having said that we do need to be quicker.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c05p0erey1ro


Another statement from the Rangers of Govan.

[JimBHibees]

I'd be expecting that to be given tbh, but I get what you're saying. I didn't like the old rules, because it seemed like the ref could decide whether or not it was "intentional", which leads to opinion based decisions, rather than a straight yes or no, and wanted it changed to it being an offence when the ball hit a hand, no matter what. Now that the rule is pretty close to being that, I think I like it even less!

After watching their highlights though - why wasn't Hearts #37 sent off for his 2 footed, totally out of control lunge on the Saints defender clearing Wilson's cross in the first few minutes?

Yep that was an absolute shocker and totally ignored by Beaton

[greenlex]

Just wondering. Was there anyone who didn’t celebrate that first goal twice yeterday?

[RyeSloan]

Just wondering. Was there anyone who didn’t celebrate that first goal twice yeterday?

The Jambos that somehow get to surround the referee at the VAR monitor at Tynie?

[SickBoy32]

Just wondering. Was there anyone who didn’t celebrate that first goal twice yeterday?

Notable difference in the 2 celebrations imo. First one is natural, spontaneous and glorious - the second a wee bit forced and more relief than anything (and almost feels like cheering the ref!)

[whiskyhibby]

VAR is just another means for Scottish referees to exert their own personal bias and prejudices on the game

[JimBHibees]

The Jambos that somehow get to surround the referee at the VAR monitor at Tynie?

That is bizarre the positioning for the var tv at the bus shelter

[matty_f]

Just wondering. Was there anyone who didn’t celebrate that first goal twice yeterday?

They definitely wasn’t anyone in that Hibs end that wasn’t celebrating when the ball hit the net, that’s for sure. Whole stand erupted, it was magnificent.

[Carheenlea]

That is bizarre the positioning for the var tv at the bus shelter

Baffling how that is deemed acceptable and permitted.

I guess it’s such a tight squeeze in the new stand that there just isn’t any room to accommodate it. They should be told to find space even if it means removing a few seats.

Would still be surrounded by braying imbeciles but at least it would be more in keeping with everywhere else.

[JimBHibees]

Baffling how that is deemed acceptable and permitted.

I guess it’s such a tight squeeze in the new stand that there just isn’t any room to accommodate it. They should be told to find space even if it means removing a few seats.

Would still be surrounded by braying imbeciles but at least it would be more in keeping with everywhere else.

Looks like there would be loads of space at the benches area

[truehibernian]

Has anyone got footage of Rowles hand ball ? I’m convinced that was a penalty and looked to very quickly be overlooked.

[B.H.F.C]

Has anyone got footage of Rowles hand ball ? I’m convinced that was a penalty and looked to very quickly be overlooked.

I’ve seen it back and think it was a penalty even if I never noticed it at the game. Only really brushed his hand but it was well away from his body.

[JohnM1875]

Has anyone got footage of Rowles hand ball ? I’m convinced that was a penalty and looked to very quickly be overlooked.

Would have been harsh for me. I'd be fuming if that's given against us.

[babahibs]

Has anyone got footage of Rowles hand ball ? I’m convinced that was a penalty and looked to very quickly be overlooked.

If it touches his hand it's a stonewaller, it's difficult to tell for certain if he touches it though.

[BoomtownHibees]

Has anyone got footage of Rowles hand ball ? I’m convinced that was a penalty and looked to very quickly be overlooked.

Haven’t seen it back and didn’t notice it at the game. The VAR review released yesterday said all 5 refs on the panel agreed it was the correct decision

[JimBHibees]

If it touches his hand it's a stonewaller, it's difficult to tell for certain if he touches it though.

Think it did touch his hand didn’t see a decent replay of it

[Kato]

Brian McLaughlan on Sportsound thought it was a pen and thought VAR would give it. No one in the studio argued with him.

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[blackpoolhibs]

Didnt they get one against Rocky last season for the exact same thing?

[PatHead]

I hear the Var review says Hearts should have had a penalty yesterday. real shame for Hearts.

They also said Buckland 's own goal should have stood. Wonder if Sevco will demand the match officials should be hung out to dry with the full backing of the press going on for days?

[04Sauzee]

I hear the Var review says Hearts should have had a penalty yesterday. real shame for Hearts.

They also said Buckland 's own goal should have stood. Wonder if Sevco will demand the match officials should be hung out to dry with the full backing of the press going on for days?

Does show how p*ss poor VAR has been applied in Scotland.

[Carheenlea]

As we enter the 3rd year of VAR in Scotland, why is the volume of wrong calls increasing?

Every week the list seems to get longer.

[ancient hibee]

It’s because the referees are terrible.They’ve spent careers favouring two teams and can’t cope with a system that quickly points out mistakes.As a result they take longer than down south because their refs don’t have to consider which teams are involved.

[RyeSloan]

I hear the Var review says Hearts should have had a penalty yesterday. real shame for Hearts.

They also said Buckland 's own goal should have stood. Wonder if Sevco will demand the match officials should be hung out to dry with the full backing of the press going on for days?

Not getting the Hearts penalty ‘error’ seems pretty clear to me that the foul happened outside the box. There was no ‘continuing’ into the box as the foul was for the arm whacking the player near head height. In other words foul occurred at point of contact…clear as day direct free kick to me.

Motherwell should have had a third for sure though…no doubt silence from Rangers on that dodgy call though!

[B.H.F.C]

As we enter the 3rd year of VAR in Scotland, why is the volume of wrong calls increasing?

Every week the list seems to get longer.

The quality of the referees, simple as that.

I think a big issue is that you now need that many officials to run it all that they are now being promoted beyond their abilities.

Also, in Scotland, there is an extreme bias towards two teams that any subjective decision isn’t always going to be an honest mistake.

[Colr]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c05p0erey1ro


Another statement from the Rangers of Govan.

What do they have to say about this, I (don’t really) wonder:

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/rangers-let-off-as-sfa-panel-rule-on-motherwell-disallowed-goal-and-why-hearts-were-hard-done-by-4925952

[Moulin Yarns]

Baffling how that is deemed acceptable and permitted.

I guess it’s such a tight squeeze in the new stand that there just isn’t any room to accommodate it. They should be told to find space even if it means removing a few seats.

Would still be surrounded by braying imbeciles but at least it would be more in keeping with everywhere else.

If it was where it should be, beside the dugout and 4th official then the media are closest.

[PatHead]

If it was where it should be, beside the dugout and 4th official then the media are closest.

It would be very easy to put a screen around it to block supporters.

Far to easy for them to influence the official

[wookie70]

Another week and another few VARs in our game. Saints pen correct imo and no VAR needed. Saints red should have been seen on-field as it was very obvious so well done VAR.

The foul on Miller was as clear a penalty as you are likely to see imo. The only question was if the ball had traveled out of play and it looks well in to me. I'd love to hear the audio to see why it isn't a penalty.

So another week and imo very poor from ref missing the red and very poor from VAR missing the clear pen. Why do we keep getting the worst(of a bad lot) officials for our games.

[JimBHibees]

Another week and another few VARs in our game. Saints pen correct imo and no VAR needed. Saints red should have been seen on-field as it was very obvious so well done VAR.

The foul on Miller was as clear a penalty as you are likely to see imo. The only question was if the ball had traveled out of play and it looks well in to me. I'd love to hear the audio to see why it isn't a penalty.

So another week and imo very poor from ref missing the red and very poor from VAR missing the clear pen. Why do we keep getting the worst)of a bad lot) officials for our games.

Personally thought their pen was very soft wasn’t clear holding at all. Miller one looked a pen as guy clearly catches him. No idea why it wasn’t picked up or even looked at. Again as you say we get a poor end of the decisions

[flash]

Personally thought their pen was very soft wasn’t clear holding at all. Miller one looked a pen as guy clearly catches him. No idea why it wasn’t picked up or even looked at. Again as you say we get a poor end of the decisions

The one on Miller was definitely a foul. Found it really strange the lack of fuss over it.

[gordie18]

Rocky’s yellow in the red card preamble was a joke, he was only pointing out that the tackle was naughty! Now his card count is one nearer to suspension

It’s just not good enough


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[wookie70]

Rocky’s yellow in the red card preamble was a joke, he was only pointing out that the tackle was naughty! Now his card count is one nearer to suspension

It’s just not good enough


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I presume he was booked as he came from a distance and isn't the captain. There are rules around that and as per the book they only apply to Hibs. Iredale's booking was also very soft imo and the boy was never getting the ball

[Silky]

The one on Miller was definitely a foul. Found it really strange the lack of fuss over it.

The VAR was Greig Aitken, who has previous with us. He was in the VAR booth for the Utd game where O'Hora didn't get a pen for the shirt pull, which I think was highlighted by the KMI panel as wrong. Also gave the pen against Miko that game. He was also VAR in the Aberdeen semi.

[wookie70]

The VAR was Greig Aitken, who has previous with us. He was in the VAR booth for the Utd game where O'Hora didn't get a pen for the shirt pull, which I think was highlighted by the KMI panel as wrong. Also gave the pen against Miko that game. He was also VAR in the Aberdeen semi.

The club should really be collating all these instances where we feel we have been on teh wrong side of decisions and looking for patterns. Much of it will just be useless officials but it always feels more than that to me. I would also include the difference in the way our fouls are treated in terms of booking compared to other teams. It is unreal how often we commit the fifth or six foul of a game but our first and we get a booking for a fairly innocuous foul in the middle of the park. It happens way too often to be coincidence.

[JimBHibees]

The VAR was Greig Aitken, who has previous with us. He was in the VAR booth for the Utd game where O'Hora didn't get a pen for the shirt pull, which I think was highlighted by the KMI panel as wrong. Also gave the pen against Miko that game. He was also VAR in the Aberdeen semi.

Think var was Grant Irvine another who has done us in the past.

[JimBHibees]

The club should really be collating all these instances where we feel we have been on teh wrong side of decisions and looking for patterns. Much of it will just be useless officials but it always feels more than that to me. I would also include the difference in the way our fouls are treated in terms of booking compared to other teams. It is unreal how often we commit the fifth or six foul of a game but our first and we get a booking for a fairly innocuous foul in the middle of the park. It happens way too often to be coincidence.

Thought that was the case with Iredale looked a ridiculously soft yellow as was Rockys

[Donegal Hibby]

Referee was brutal today .