Choosing a manager is hard

[worcesterhibby]

Just thought I’d point out that Kilmarnock, managed by the “obvious and sensible choice” of Hibs manager by many on here - Derek McInnes has just seen his side beaten by a fairly ***** Rangers team 6-0 and his team is only 1 point better off that our “shambles”: just shows you how hard it is to pick the right guy.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Just thought I’d point out that Kilmarnock, managed by the “obvious and sensible choice” of Hibs manager by many on here - Derek McInnes has just seen his side beaten by a fairly ***** Rangers team 6-0 and his team is only 1 point better off that our “shambles”: just shows you how hard it is to pick the right guy.

In the unlikely event he ended up at Hibs “Del’s” honeymoon period would be short IMO.
Despite grinding out results I just don’t see Hibs fans taking to that - we already had a steady as she goes with Jack Ross. Dons fans sickened of him too.

[Forza Fred]

Just thought I’d point out that Kilmarnock, managed by the “obvious and sensible choice” of Hibs manager by many on here - Derek McInnes has just seen his side beaten by a fairly ***** Rangers team 6-0 and his team is only 1 point better off that our “shambles”: just shows you how hard it is to pick the right guy.

I have considered for a while now that picking a manager is a bit of a hit or a miss decision.

Like players, some seem to have a chemistry with some clubs, some don’t.

And just because a top name manager was a hero at a big club…he may struggle at one with less staff and resources.

Not saying any of the above applies to McInnes……but not sure what the secret formula of ‘magic Hibs Manager’ is.

[Smartie]

Do you not get the data to choose them these days?

[JohnM1875]

Weird one for McInnes now. I actually think he's a good manager and the few things I've seen him on recently, podcasts etc, he comes across a really good guy. But only a few weeks ago folk were talking about him being a stick on for the next Hun or Scotland manager.

A Killie relegation and there's no chance of that. Killie won’t punt him either.

[Donegal Hibby]

Just thought I’d point out that Kilmarnock, managed by the “obvious and sensible choice” of Hibs manager by many on here - Derek McInnes has just seen his side beaten by a fairly ***** Rangers team 6-0 and his team is only 1 point better off that our “shambles”: just shows you how hard it is to pick the right guy.

I’ve never thought Derek McInnes was the right manager for us basically because I’ve watched enough of the way he had Aberdeen and now Killie playing and have found his teams absolutely awful to watch most of the time …

I think if he was Hibs manager and grinding out results most fans would stay onboard though probably grumbling/ moaning about the football all the same ..

Once the grinding out results stopped it would only go one way imo and we’d have another Jack Ross situation though I think this one would be worse….

I’ve heard in the past how he would make us better , harder to beat , more organised though the reality is Killie aren’t any of these things this season and there’s a reason behind why the dons , hertz , English championship clubs aren’t queuing up to get him …

Hoping we don’t hear anymore about him or Lennon as I consider both dinosaurs….

https://youtu.be/zdqusxYk1VM?si=tGb1y8QZKoV8ave4

[theonlywayisup]

Just thought I’d point out that Kilmarnock, managed by the “obvious and sensible choice” of Hibs manager by many on here - Derek McInnes has just seen his side beaten by a fairly ***** Rangers team 6-0 and his team is only 1 point better off that our “shambles”: just shows you how hard it is to pick the right guy.

Yes, as you say choosing a manager is hard and we seem to make it even harder at Hibernian FC by undermining that manager by recruiting poor players.

IMO, we can't keep sacking managers at the first sign of poor results that some of our support seem to want.

I've never wanted any one of our recent managers to be sacked though with the exception of Jack Ross I was okay that Maloney, Lee Johnson and Montgomery were, hoping that we could get a better manager. However, that hasn't been the case, has it.

I do believe that by summer 2025, we'll have a new manager with a lot of new recruits hopefully going down the Bournemouth route. Not for one second do I believe that manager to be a McInnes or Lennon type manager.

A lot has already been written about SDG on this forum, but had we not had so many points dropped due to some poor individual errors and/or baffling VAR inconsistencies then there wouldn't be a debate. We'd probably be 7-10 points higher up the league and the general discussion would be that he's doing OK. As has been written in other threads, there have been some games this season that we've generally been the better team, but have been undermined by the aforementioned individual errors and/or VAR. I look at teams like Motherwell, Kilmarnock, St Johnstone, Ross County, Hearts and (yes) Aberdeen and I do think we're better than them (based on our displays against them).

I do hope that our players continue the improved form we've seen against Aberdeen and Motherwell and build on that, albeit we've a very difficult game at the weekend.

[easty]

I’ve never thought Derek McInnes was the right manager for us basically because I’ve watched enough of the way he had Aberdeen and now Killie playing and have found his teams absolutely awful to watch most of the time …

I think if he was Hibs manager and grinding out results most fans would stay onboard though probably grumbling/ moaning about the football all the same ..

Once the grinding out results stopped it would only go one way imo and we’d have another Jack Ross situation though I think this one would be worse….

I’ve heard in the past how he would make us better , harder to beat , more organised though the reality is Killie aren’t any of these things this season and there’s a reason behind why the dons , hertz , English championship clubs aren’t queuing up to get him …

Hoping we don’t hear anymore about him or Lennon as I consider both dinosaurs….

https://youtu.be/zdqusxYk1VM?si=tGb1y8QZKoV8ave4

I’d love to be in “another Jack Ross situation”. Every situation since has been worse.

[Centre Hawf]

I think it's always difficult to draw comparisons to us an some other clubs. McInnes has done an excellent job with Kilmarnock and I find the idea that anyone can think otherwise is absurd. I also think the budget he'll be working with will be tiny in comparison to whatever it is we're spending on ours and yet his finished 4th behind Hearts while we finished 8th.

It's next to impossible in this league to maintain season after season of consistency, you need only look at Hearts and ourselves every time we have a good season, we almost blow it up the next year. The turnover in squads make it such a difficult ask to repeat previous successes on the regular. I have little doubt that DM will keep Kilmarnock up and if given another couple of seasons will likely have them in the top 4/5 again at some point again. Which for Killie would be seen as a success, right now that would be a success for us as well.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think it's always difficult to draw comparisons to us an some other clubs. McInnes has done an excellent job with Kilmarnock and I find the idea that anyone can think otherwise is absurd. I also think the budget he'll be working with will be tiny in comparison to whatever it is we're spending on ours and yet his finished 4th behind Hearts while we finished 8th.

It's next to impossible in this league to maintain season after season of consistency, you need only look at Hearts and ourselves every time we have a good season, we almost blow it up the next year. The turnover in squads make it such a difficult ask to repeat previous successes on the regular. I have little doubt that DM will keep Kilmarnock up and if given another couple of seasons will likely have them in the top 4/5 again at some point again. Which for Killie would be seen as a success, right now that would be a success for us as well.

:agree:

[Unseen work]

I agree that it’s really difficult choosing a head coach now and even if you do get a good one you need an element of luck. I’ve been very critical of Gray for example, but to get a serious injury to Bowie and then have the amount of red cards and individual errors is a real sore one.

As for McInnes, his Killie team have a fraction of the budget of ourselves and Hearts and have also been playing in Europe this season. They’ve also had a ridiculous amount of reds this season. No doubt he’ll turn it round for them

[Craig_HFC]

For me, McInnes was the 'obvious choice' was after we sacked Maloney but we went with Montgomery instead.

I think McInnes probably would have had us further up the table than 8th and I don't think it's mental to say that he could have got us into Europe at that time. Plus, as it turned out, the football under Montgomery was pish anyway so not sure 'McInnesball' would have been as big an issue as it has been made out it would be.

[Donegal Hibby]

I think it's always difficult to draw comparisons to us an some other clubs. McInnes has done an excellent job with Kilmarnock and I find the idea that anyone can think otherwise is absurd. I also think the budget he'll be working with will be tiny in comparison to whatever it is we're spending on ours and yet his finished 4th behind Hearts while we finished 8th.

It's next to impossible in this league to maintain season after season of consistency, you need only look at Hearts and ourselves every time we have a good season, we almost blow it up the next year. The turnover in squads make it such a difficult ask to repeat previous successes on the regular. I have little doubt that DM will keep Kilmarnock up and if given another couple of seasons will likely have them in the top 4/5 again at some point again. Which for Killie would be seen as a success, right now that would be a success for us as well.

I think he will keep Killie up with the pitch being an advantage to them and it’s possible he will do well again at some point if he is given TIME there , at us he wouldn’t as given that luxury though.

[Tyler Durden]

Killie's budget is probably 9th or 10th in the league? He's probably managed to increase their budget due to their success in the past few seasons.

They won't finish worse than 9th. If only we could get value for money and finish no worse than 5th every season. That's what McInnes would offer.

[Centre Hawf]

I think he will keep Killie up with the pitch being an advantage to them and it’s possible he will do well again at some point if he is given TIME there , at us he wouldn’t as given that luxury though.

You're probably right in that he wouldn't get time here. But if there was someone I'd be willing to give time to it would be someone like him with a demonstrated history of success in this division. It's easier to 'trust the process' when I've seen it work before and it's not a rookie manager or someone who only had success in the A-League.

[Donegal Hibby]

You're probably right in that he wouldn't get time here. But if there was someone I'd be willing to give time to it would be someone like him with a demonstrated history of success in this division. It's easier to 'trust the process' when I've seen it work before and it's not a rookie manager or someone who only had success in the A-League.

His record as a manager is good no doubt about that and fair dues to you if you’d be willing to give him time though I honestly think you’d be in a minority if he hit one of the runs he’s had at one of his previous clubs like at Bristol City were he went on a run of 7 consecutive defeats or at Aberdeen were they only scored one goal in about ten games….

Which would be nothing to do with him being a hun but purely down to the type of football his teams play which many in our support would use as a stick against him as soon as it started to go wrong . I think it’s probably the main reason Aberdeen have repeatedly overlooked him for their job again and probably why hertz have in all ….

I think he’s probably at the right club as they’ve backed him before when some of their fans wanted him out and they don’t seem to be to bothered about the football they play with having a pitch like that which I think will help them stay up too.

[Bridge hibs]

His record as a manager is good no doubt about that and fair dues to you if you’d be willing to give him time though I honestly think you’d be in a minority if he hit one of the runs he’s had at one of his previous clubs like at Bristol City were he went on a run of 7 consecutive defeats or at Aberdeen were they only scored one goal in about ten games….

Which would be nothing to do with him being a hun but purely down to the type of football his teams play which many in our support would use as a stick against him as soon as it started to go wrong . I think it’s probably the main reason Aberdeen have repeatedly overlooked him for their job again and probably why hertz have in all ….

I think he’s probably at the right club as they’ve backed him before when some of their fans wanted him out and they don’t seem to be to bothered about the football they play with having a pitch like that which I think will help them stay up too.To be honest I dont think his style of play would put hearts off as they have been well known for being a gang and hoofball merchants with the occasional game of football breaking out inbetween.

Hearts have always had that billy big baws attitude and no matter what they do they believe everything they do is correct because they are a massive club and whoever they choose as manager they believe him to be the next Pep and would and those maroon scarf twirlers also get sucked into believing they are the next great thing.

[easty]

Killie's budget is probably 9th or 10th in the league? He's probably managed to increase their budget due to their success in the past few seasons.

They won't finish worse than 9th. If only we could get value for money and finish no worse than 5th every season. That's what McInnes would offer.

:agree:

I can never understand why people compare what Kilmarnock are doing to what we're doing. It's not the same expectations.

[wookie70]

His record as a manager in Scotland is excellent. As others have said Killie are probably batting around their budget in 10th spot and were in Europe on the back of last season's efforts. To me he is still the most obvious candidate if we need a new manager but there are so many fans against him becoming manager that it probably wouldn't be an easy appointment to make and he would get little grace if we went on a bad run. I hope we don't need to be looking at new managers in the near and middle future anyways

[Centre Hawf]

His record as a manager is good no doubt about that and fair dues to you if you’d be willing to give him time though I honestly think you’d be in a minority if he hit one of the runs he’s had at one of his previous clubs like at Bristol City were he went on a run of 7 consecutive defeats or at Aberdeen were they only scored one goal in about ten games….

Which would be nothing to do with him being a hun but purely down to the type of football his teams play which many in our support would use as a stick against him as soon as it started to go wrong . I think it’s probably the main reason Aberdeen have repeatedly overlooked him for their job again and probably why hertz have in all ….

I think he’s probably at the right club as they’ve backed him before when fans wanted him out and they don’t seem to be to bothered about the football they play with having a pitch like that which I think will help them stay up too.

He's overlooked by Aberdeen, us, and Hearts because I don't think he wants to work under the circumstances at these clubs. He clearly wants to be more hands on with recruitment and build the team how he wants it rather than rely on someone with a laptop telling him this centre half is decent. Kilmarnock clearly allow him to do that and that's probably worth more to him (plus the lower expectations and thus job security) than risking it to come to coach the FM24 Avengers before being bombed out in 4/5 months because he couldn't get the latest Elias Melkersen to trap a ball against Celtic. He's not an up and coming coach that needs to prove himself, what you see is what you get and if you don't want it his way then move along type thing.

I do think you're right that some would expect him to turn us around after 3 weeks and the reality is that's not really achievable. And as you say his style of football can sometimes leave a lot to be desired I will admit, but I think this conversation though is quite important to remember whenever we talk about Jack Ross and the mistake of getting rid of him. The football Ross played wasn't too dissimilar to McInnes in that it wasn't particularly sexy and when the results dried up people did begin to turn on him because there wasn't much to fall back on, as much as many will pretend they weren't one of them that did turn.

Folk suggest whenever we're terrible and looking for a new manager (as we have been a lot recently) that we should go back to basics and be hard to beat and go recruit Scottish experience, but when that happens we get bored eventually and want Mowbray football back before ending up back to bottom 6 after a failed experiment like Shaun Maloney trying to make us play like prime Belgium, or Monty thinking he can replicate Angeball with Jordan Obita. The thing I've learned over the last 3 and a bit decades is that no football is worse to watch than losing football, and we've certainly done a lot of that.

[Paulie Walnuts]

:agree:

I can never understand why people compare what Kilmarnock are doing to what we're doing. It's not the same expectations.

Because it allows them to make false equivalences to suit ridiculous arguments that he’s not very good, such as he should have taken Kilmarnock into the top 6 in their first season back up after promotion, or that he should have won the championship with more than a game to spare despite taking them over in 4th more than halfway through the season.

And even with those false equivalences and pretending they should be performing in line with how Hibs should be performing, I think we can all say with a degree of certainty that Hibs wouldn’t have matched any of those things in recent years.

[He's here!]

I’d love to be in “another Jack Ross situation”. Every situation since has been worse.

Yep, those were awful days. Our best league finish in nearly 20 years, two cup finals and at least the semi-finals of every other cup competition we played in under Ross. Comfortably matching the upper end of our expectation levels. We've done so much better since.

McInnes has done a terrific job at Killie and is hands down the most successful Scottish manager operating in our top flight. A ropey spell doesn't suddenly make him a write-off.

[supermcginn]

His record as a manager is good no doubt about that and fair dues to you if you’d be willing to give him time though I honestly think you’d be in a minority if he hit one of the runs he’s had at one of his previous clubs like at Bristol City were he went on a run of 7 consecutive defeats or at Aberdeen were they only scored one goal in about ten games….

Which would be nothing to do with him being a hun but purely down to the type of football his teams play which many in our support would use as a stick against him as soon as it started to go wrong . I think it’s probably the main reason Aberdeen have repeatedly overlooked him for their job again and probably why hertz have in all ….

I think he’s probably at the right club as they’ve backed him before when some of their fans wanted him out and they don’t seem to be to bothered about the football they play with having a pitch like that which I think will help them stay up too.

According to a high profile podcast I listened to a few months ago, Aberdeen approached McInnes before they appointed Warnock but he turned them down.

I would give him the Hibs job tomorrow if he wanted it, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he's our manager before the seasons finished.

[Unseen work]

I’d love to be in “another Jack Ross situation”. Every situation since has been worse.

I find it funny when people don’t want Mcinnes and use Jack Ross as a reason for why

What I, and I’m sure the club, would do to go back to those times

[Donegal Hibby]

To be honest I dont think his style of play would put hearts off as they have been well known for being a gang and hoofball merchants with the occasional game of football breaking out inbetween.

Hearts have always had that billy big baws attitude and no matter what they do they believe everything they do is correct because they are a massive club and whoever they choose as manager they believe him to be the next Pep and would and those maroon scarf twirlers also get sucked into believing they are the next great thing.

I can’t argue with you there as over the years they have seem to liked a big battering ram playing upfront, have another one now as well 🤭

[theonlywayisup]

To put a different slant on the conversation, if McInnes ended up at Tiny would you be delighted or worried. I think I'd be more of the latter.

[alexedwards]

Just thought I’d point out that Kilmarnock, managed by the “obvious and sensible choice” of Hibs manager by many on here - Derek McInnes has just seen his side beaten by a fairly ***** Rangers team 6-0 and his team is only 1 point better off that our “shambles”: just shows you how hard it is to pick the right guy.
The old ex-gers inferiority complex kicking in. He's not a good choice for HFC.

[Dashing Bob S]

He has a good record, but I think managers, like players, have a sell-by date. They either lose motivation or their style of play becomes dated/figured out?can't get staff etc. It might be happening to Guardiola, so I wouldn't judge McInness harshly if its happening to him. He's been a very decent SPL manager.

As the OP says on the thread...

[worcesterhibby]

My post wasn’t meant to be a “see… McInnes is rubbish” post. I fully agree that he has been a very successful manager in our league and I don’t doubt that he will get Kilmarnock back up the table a bit, before the end of the season. I was really just trying to point out that choosing the right manager is hard and lots of clubs with far better resources than us struggle with it too. Look at Man UTd .. West Ham… Everton and Wolves, to name a few. Our board have done a particularly poor job of it in recent years and we as a support haven’t shown a lot of patience either. I’m just glad it’s not me that has to make the call… ery difficult decision to make.

if I was Kilmarnock I’d be sticking by McInnes, but no matter what your resources, getting absolutely thumped 6-0 is never a good look.

[Nutmegged]

I've said for years that McIness is never a Hibs manager, could see him managing Hearts but I just don't think his style of player would mesh with our support, rightly or wrongly we're associated with being an entertaining team, just because we haven't been recently doesn't mean that isn't the club's DNA, I just think his style more suits that mob across the city.

[JohnM1875]

Thing about McInnes is he's ruling himself out of bigger jobs cause he doesn't want to work under a modern club set up. Every 'big' team in this league has that set up though. So he's going to have to go against it at some point.

Unless of course he's holding out for the Scotland gig.

[Stuart93]

Thing about McInnes is he's ruling himself out of bigger jobs cause he doesn't want to work under a modern club set up. Every 'big' team in this league has that set up though. So he's going to have to go against it at some point.

Unless of course he's holding out for the Scotland gig.

I don’t think he’s a patch on Steve Clarke

Would be a massive downgrade for Scotland if we go from him to mcinnes

[bingo70]

I don’t think he’s a patch on Steve Clarke

Would be a massive downgrade for Scotland if we go from him to mcinnes

Killie fan on the radio a few Saturdays ago on that programme with Cowan and Cosgrove was making the argument for McInnes being a better Killie manager than Clarke was. McInnes brought through young players and laying the foundations for building a new team where as Clarke didn’t plan for the future at all and was only interested in short term.

[Stuart93]

Killie fan on the radio a few Saturdays ago on that programme with Cowan and Cosgrove was making the argument for McInnes being a better Killie manager than Clarke was. McInnes brought through young players and laying the foundations for building a new team where as Clarke didn’t plan for the future at all and was only interested in short term.

The killie team under Clarke were a lot better than Killie under mcinnes though

The national team doesn’t need a pragmatic style of play either

[Jones28]

I hope for my Killie obsessed nephew that he’s going through a rough patch. From our point of view I don’t really give a **** and the more sticky spells for other teams the better.

I think McInnes is a decent manager, pragmatic and knows what the league requires to be successful.

But the previous post from John about him not wanting to work under a modern set up shows him to be a bit of a relic IMO.

[HibeeBigFly]

I never understood the credit McInnes gets from some on here. Had St Johnstone playing brutal football. Sacked by Bristol City and has been very mediocre Killie. Hibs and Hearts have had multiple managers since he left Aberdeen. Neither have made a move for him. The Aberdeen spell coincided with Hibs/Hearts/Dundee Utd and Rongers all struggling. The fans I know from Aberdeen were very split on him also.

[supermcginn]

I never understood the credit McInnes gets from some on here. Had St Johnstone playing brutal football. Sacked by Bristol City and has been very mediocre Killie. Hibs and Hearts have had multiple managers since he left Aberdeen. Neither have made a move for him. The Aberdeen spell coincided with Hibs/Hearts/Dundee Utd and Rongers all struggling. The fans I know from Aberdeen were very split on him also.

Very mediocre at Killie haha you are at it? He got them promoted then finished 4th in the top league! Even now they are struggling they are still ahead of us with a much lower budget.

[Donegal Hibby]

Very mediocre at Killie haha you are at it? He got them promoted then finished 4th in the top league! Even now they are struggling they are still ahead of us with a much lower budget.

Slight exaggeration though your right in he did get them promoted in what was a pretty poor championship after that he spoke about how they were better than some clubs and he wanted to challenge for Europe …

He ended up in a relegation battle with some Killie fans wanting him gone over some horrendous results , they escaped I think a relegation playoff place close to the end of the season ..

After being given time your spot on in he had them punching above their weight even if the competition was poor finishing 4th …

This year they have been pretty s*** in fairness and it will be interesting to see how they adapt to changing their pitch if they stay up which I think they will because of the advantage their pitch gives them ! …

As to comparing their budget with ours where does St Johnstones and Ross County’s compare to theirs ?

[WhileTheChief..]

Be surprised if McInnes isn't Rangers manager in a few weeks.

[blackpoolhibs]

I've said for years that McIness is never a Hibs manager, could see him managing Hearts but I just don't think his style of player would mesh with our support, rightly or wrongly we're associated with being an entertaining team, just because we haven't been recently doesn't mean that isn't the club's DNA, I just think his style more suits that mob across the city.

It's a myth, bar 2 or 3 times since i first walked through the turnstyles at Easter Rd, and it's also a myth McInnes always played industrial football, you just need to look at his goals scored and the type of players he recruited to see that.

And also remember, Jack Ross had us 3rd and at Hampden every 5 minutes until Ian Gordon started playing football manager with the club, as we've seen with every manager since, they have no chance under this regime.

[theonlywayisup]

It's a myth, bar 2 or 3 times since i first walked through the turnstyles at Easter Rd, and it's also a myth McInnes always played industrial football, you just need to look at his goals scored and the type of players he recruited to see that.

And also remember, Jack Ross had us 3rd and at Hampden every 5 minutes until Ian Gordon started playing football manager with the club, as we've seen with every manager since, they have no chance under this regime.

100% agree. I struggle to understand why a respected manager would want to leave paid employment to come to Hibernian FC in the situation we find ourselves off the pitch.

[Bridge hibs]

Be surprised if McInnes isn't Rangers manager in a few weeks.

Really ? I understand they may go for the tried and tested but unless there is a dramatic change in McInness reasons for declining the post previously then I would be surprised if he was interested.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I hope for my Killie obsessed nephew that he’s going through a rough patch. From our point of view I don’t really give a **** and the more sticky spells for other teams the better.

I think McInnes is a decent manager, pragmatic and knows what the league requires to be successful.

But the previous post from John about him not wanting to work under a modern set up shows him to be a bit of a relic IMO.

I’m not sure it shows him as a relic at all. Absolutely nobody has managed to achieve sustained success in our league under a modern set up (I’m excluding Celtic as they pretty much can’t fail and operate in a different world to everyone else) He has managed to sustain relative success for over a decade using his set up.

Rather than it making him a relic, maybe it’s just that he can see that things don’t need to be over complicated and he’d rather just focus on actual success rather than claiming to be modern with an over staffed, over complicated process that more often than not don’t work that the likes of us are using now?

[WhileTheChief..]

Really ? I understand they may go for the tried and tested but unless there is a dramatic change in McInness reasons for declining the post previously then I would be surprised if he was interested.

Boardroom changes at Rangers.

Probably can't do much more with Killie than try to qualify for Europe.

Would be the biggest / highest paid job he could get.

He might ignore all of this and hold out for the Scotland job mind :dunno:

From Rangers side of things, he's exactly the type they need.

I'm not hugely keen on him for the Hibs job, but I can see why any club in Scotland would be interested.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Slight exaggeration though your right in he did get them promoted in what was a pretty poor championship after that he spoke about how they were better than some clubs and he wanted to challenge for Europe …

He ended up in a relegation battle with some Killie fans wanting him gone over some horrendous results , they escaped I think a relegation playoff place close to the end of the season ..

After being given time your spot on in he had them punching above their weight even if the competition was poor finishing 4th …

This year they have been pretty s*** in fairness and it will be interesting to see how they adapt to changing their pitch if they stay up which I think they will because of the advantage their pitch gives them ! …

As to comparing their budget with ours where does St Johnstones and Ross County’s compare to theirs ?

Total staff costs from the most recent accounts:

Killie - £4.2m
St Johnstone - £4.2m
Ross County - £4m
Hibs - £10.1m

[eastmainsmsh]

Be surprised if McInnes isn't Rangers manager in a few weeks.

Spot on can't see Clement turning Belgium job down

[Donegal Hibby]

Be surprised if the huns went for a manager of a team they are just after demolishing.. one name that keeps getting mentioned is Kevin Muscat .

[He's here!]

I never understood the credit McInnes gets from some on here. Had St Johnstone playing brutal football. Sacked by Bristol City and has been very mediocre Killie. Hibs and Hearts have had multiple managers since he left Aberdeen. Neither have made a move for him. The Aberdeen spell coincided with Hibs/Hearts/Dundee Utd and Rongers all struggling. The fans I know from Aberdeen were very split on him also.

Of all the flimsy sticks to beat him with, this is probably the flimsiest.

All those teams were either too c**p (Hibs, United), too corrupt (Rangers) or both (Hearts) to be in the top flight for some of those seasons. The implication that if only the mighty Hibees had been around to challenge them Aberdeen would never have had eight consecutive top-four finishes (including four straight second places) is laughable.

McInnes achieved those placings against what were the top 12 teams in Scotland at the time, finishing above Rangers in the process.

Considering the best Hibs have achieved this century is three third-place finishes, it's delusional to play down the achievements a guy managing a similarly-sized club to a run of 3rd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 4th, 4th, 4th.