Hibernian Identity

[offshorehibby]

I just posted this on another thread and it anoys the tits out me. Every second thread on Hibs.net has the 'we have no identity bolocks'.

This is what Hibs identity means to me.

A football club's identity is a combination of its visual identity, its role in the community, and its cultural representation:

Visual identity
A club's visual identity is made up of its colors, badge, and jerseys. This is often the most important identity feature of a football team, and can contribute to the emotional connection between fans.

Cultural representation
A club's role as a cultural representative of a community is one of its most robust identity features. Popular football clubs can act as symbols of a region, and the more effective they are in this role, the more they can strengthen the regional community.

Social milieu
A club's social milieu can also be part of its identity. For example, FC St. Pauli is based in a trendy district of Hamburg, and its fan scene is openly political.
A club's identity is important because it helps the club stand out from other teams, attract new fans, and make decisions about hiring and advertising. A strong identity can also help a club achieve distinction, success, and iconic status.

And we already do all these.

Stop listening to nobs who know SFA about Hibernian Football Club

[offshorehibby]

Excuse my rant 😁

[Unseen work]

The only thing that matter is winning on a Saturday.

When a team is winning very few people question their identity

Aberdeen are proof. Last season there was no identity and then recruited Warnock who added to the shout. This season they got a new manager who had to sell his best player in Miovski. Hes improved all the players at the club and made a couple of good signings and now it’s all about they have an identity.

Just win games of football.

[andrew70]

Hibernian Football Club’s identity is a rich tapestry of history, community, and ambition.

We are a club with roots in tradition but with a modern outlook, representing a bridge between our proud past and our hopes for the future.

I’d argue they go too much toward the modern and future forgetting the roots mentioned above.

Identity can be nurtured but not altered in my opinion and I feel we’ve moved too far away from ours.

[blackpoolhibs]

The only thing that matter is winning on a Saturday.

When a team is winning very few people question their identity

Aberdeen are proof. Last season there was no identity and then recruited Warnock who added to the shout. This season they got a new manager who had to sell his best player in Miovski. Hes improved all the players at the club and made a couple of good signings and now it’s all about they have an identity.

Just win games of football.
:agree::top marks

Folk who mention it are just trying to make themselve look as if they know more than the average fan, it's complete bollox.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Was it Mikey Stewart or did he borrow it off some other pundit?

Does he mean discernible style?

I listened to Radio Scotland rugby podcast that was talking about the difference between South African versus European / NZ players. The former being given autonomy to make decisions for themselves on the pitch (presumably fiendishly difficult to counter if / when it clicks) versus the latter - follow instructions to the letter - don not vary or effectively think for yourselves.

wonder what Mikey would say on reflection of that.

anyway you look at it Mikey and others are pundits not managers for a reason.

identity probably makes it easier for analysts / pundits to critique.

SDG already suggested it would be adapted based on the opponents - Maloney and Monty teams had a predictability and unshaken approach and they suffered the consequences of that and not mixing it up.
Presumably Mikey and others didn’t fancy that either.

All this talk of identity is a fad. Next up xG :)

[Bostonhibby]

:agree::top marks

Folk who mention it are just trying to make themselve look as if they know more than the average fan, it's complete bollox.[emoji106]

I'd also like to hear Stewart define what makes up the identity of his beloved Hearts.

Just for a laugh.

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[Clarence]

Mikey Stewart had no identity in the league cup winning side of 2007. Glad he had a good view for 90 minutes from the subs bench and loved seeing his torn face on the open top bus.

[DIXIHIBS]

Excuse my rant 😁

Good post mate. Now get Tae Tamsons for a pint and chill..

[Pagan Hibernia]

Hibernian Football Club’s identity is a rich tapestry of history, community, and ambition.

We are a club with roots in tradition but with a modern outlook, representing a bridge between our proud past and our hopes for the future.

I’d argue they go too much toward the modern and future forgetting the roots mentioned above.

Identity can be nurtured but not altered in my opinion and I feel we’ve moved too far away from ours.






I don't know about this. What roots have we moved away from? The community work done by the Foundation has arguably never been better and goes from strength to strength. Thats a side of the club that doesnt make many headlines but it is very much there, and helping people on a daily basis. And that's very much in keeping with the sort of club we started out as in the 1870s and 1880s. That and the commercial/corporate side represent the past and the future and they're probably the only two things the club are getting consistently right at the moment.

Edit: I highlighted the wrong part. I meant to highlight the bit where you said we have forgotten our roots.

[andrew70]

I don't know about this. What roots have we moved away from? The community work done by the Foundation has arguably never been better and goes from strength to strength. Thats a side of the club that doesnt make many headlines but it is very much there, and helping people on a daily basis. And that's very much in keeping with the sort of club we started out as in the 1870s and 1880s. That and the commercial/corporate side represent the past and the future and they're probably the only two things the club are getting consistently right at the moment.

Edit: I highlighted the wrong part. I meant to highlight the bit where you said we have forgotten our roots.

I personally feel we’ve forgotten our immigrant past and our Irish roots.

I know we’ve evolved to broader horizons but maybe too far away.

As I say just a personal opinion. I hope there’s at least a nod to our Irish heritage next season. Maybe a tour or something.

James Connolly too, a man who is Mr Hibernian, largely ignored by the club.

[Smartie]

The only thing that matter is winning on a Saturday.

When a team is winning very few people question their identity

Aberdeen are proof. Last season there was no identity and then recruited Warnock who added to the shout. This season they got a new manager who had to sell his best player in Miovski. Hes improved all the players at the club and made a couple of good signings and now it’s all about they have an identity.

Just win games of football.

Couldn't agree more.

[expresso]

I personally feel we’ve forgotten our immigrant past and our Irish roots.

I know we’ve evolved to broader horizons but maybe too far away.

As I say just a personal opinion. I hope there’s at least a nod to our Irish heritage next season. Maybe a tour or something.

James Connolly too, a man who is Mr Hibernian, largely ignored by the club.
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[Carheenlea]

I think Canon Hannan and the founders of Hibernian would be very proud of what their club has become from those ideas and initiative in St Mary’s Halls to inaugurate a club for what was a persecuted community in late 1800’s Edinburgh (and Scotland), but has grown into a club that is a huge part of Edinburgh and Scottish culture and has been beloved, and meant so much to many generations from all faiths and backgrounds and continues to do so.

[Pagan Hibernia]

I personally feel we’ve forgotten our immigrant past and our Irish roots.

I know we’ve evolved to broader horizons but maybe too far away.

As I say just a personal opinion. I hope there’s at least a nod to our Irish heritage next season. Maybe a tour or something.

James Connolly too, a man who is Mr Hibernian, largely ignored by the club.

OK fair enough, but as an Irishman myself I'm wondering what more could or should be done in this regard. Because to my mind the club has probably done more to recognise the club's origins since the turn of this century than it had done for decades before that. The harp is back on the badge and on the stadium, there are busts of Hannan and Whelehan at Easter Road, there's a plaque at St Patrick's, there a dedication at Dan McMichaels grave, an official supporters club made that trip to Ballingarry in Limerick etc.

I agree a tour or something next summer would be great

[HarpOnHibee]

History and identity are not there to be ignored or forgotten about, nor to cling on to and resist change. It's there to look back on and to learn from. Learning from our history allows us to evolve and move forward. The evolution of the club isn't about replacing our identity either, but taking the best aspects of our identity and strengthening them while learning lessons from aspects of our identity that are best left in the past.

[andrew70]

OK fair enough, but as an Irishman myself I'm wondering what more could or should be done in this regard. Because to my mind the club has probably done more to recognise the club's origins since the turn of this century than it had done for decades before that. The harp is back on the badge and on the stadium, there are busts of Hannan and Whelehan at Easter Road, there's a plaque at St Patrick's, there a dedication at Dan McMichaels grave, an official supporters club made that trip to Ballingarry in Limerick etc.

I agree a tour or something next summer would be great

I am not commercially minded but what about a day a season where we remember our roots?

A link up with an Irish club?

If I am correct St Pats done that off their own back and nothing to do with the club? Apologies if I am
incorrect with that.

I am off to Limerick in the summer for a gig, so will head to Ballingarry personally.

The reluctance to properly acknowledge Connolly really gets to me.

Those with a commercial mind seem to steer away from things like this but I personally feel it’s a bit off. The club means a lot to some Irish people so let’s buy into it.

A tour is a must.

[Danderhall Hibs]

:agree::top marks

Folk who mention it are just trying to make themselve look as if they know more than the average fan, it's complete bollox.

Correct. Same for the wannabee Peps who talk about the game like they’re on Monday night football:

[offshorehibby]

Good post mate. Now get Tae Tamsons for a pint and chill..

Rant was fuled by Guinness in an Aberdeen drinking establishment

[He's here!]

Mikey Stewart had no identity in the league cup winning side of 2007. Glad he had a good view for 90 minutes from the subs bench and loved seeing his torn face on the open top bus.

Clash of egos with Collins. Stewart was a good signing for the most part.

[He's here!]

Was it Mikey Stewart or did he borrow it off some other pundit?

Does he mean discernible style?

I listened to Radio Scotland rugby podcast that was talking about the difference between South African versus European / NZ players. The former being given autonomy to make decisions for themselves on the pitch (presumably fiendishly difficult to counter if / when it clicks) versus the latter - follow instructions to the letter - don not vary or effectively think for yourselves.

wonder what Mikey would say on reflection of that.

anyway you look at it Mikey and others are pundits not managers for a reason.

identity probably makes it easier for analysts / pundits to critique.

SDG already suggested it would be adapted based on the opponents - Maloney and Monty teams had a predictability and unshaken approach and they suffered the consequences of that and not mixing it up.
Presumably Mikey and others didn’t fancy that either.

All this talk of identity is a fad. Next up xG :)

I didn't think it was hard to understand what Sewart meant. As I understood it he wasn't talking about culture or history, just the fact we didn't seem to have an identifiable style of play and lacked character. Fair assessment of the garbage which we've served up for much of the last few seasons.

I do agree he can be driven by agendas. It was him who got the BBC banned by Rangers for years and his apparent loathing of Levein fuelled his criticism of the yams.

[Exuberance1875]

I just posted this on another thread and it anoys the tits out me. Every second thread on Hibs.net has the 'we have no identity bolocks'.

This is what Hibs identity means to me.

A football club's identity is a combination of its visual identity, its role in the community, and its cultural representation:

Visual identity
A club's visual identity is made up of its colors, badge, and jerseys. This is often the most important identity feature of a football team, and can contribute to the emotional connection between fans.

Cultural representation
A club's role as a cultural representative of a community is one of its most robust identity features. Popular football clubs can act as symbols of a region, and the more effective they are in this role, the more they can strengthen the regional community.

Social milieu
A club's social milieu can also be part of its identity. For example, FC St. Pauli is based in a trendy district of Hamburg, and its fan scene is openly political.
A club's identity is important because it helps the club stand out from other teams, attract new fans, and make decisions about hiring and advertising. A strong identity can also help a club achieve distinction, success, and iconic status.

And we already do all these.

Stop listening to nobs who know SFA about Hibernian Football Club

Good effort from ChatGPT here

[monarch]

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I didn't think it was hard to understand what Sewart meant. As I understood it he wasn't talking about culture or history, just the fact we didn't seem to have an identifiable style of play and lacked character. Fair assessment of the garbage which we've served up for much of the last few seasons.

I do agree he can be driven by agendas. It was him who got the BBC banned by Rangers for years and his apparent loathing of Levein fuelled his criticism of the yams.
The BBC, as a body, wasn’t banned by Rangers. Their reporter Chris McLaughlin had made a comment about sectarian singing when delivering a match report. Rangers then asked BBC not to send him back to Ibrox in future. BBC took a stand saying that they wouldn’t be dictated to so then refused to send any of their reporters for a period of about four or five years so effectively banned themselves. Stewart had nothing to do with it.

You may be thinking of a more recent incident when MS made critical comments about Rangers and “disappeared” from the BBC radio and Tv output for two or three weeks.

Agree that Stewart’s “identity” comments would refer to our lack of style of play.

[offshorehibby]

Good effort from ChatGPT here

It is still what i would call Hibs identity. Maybe these so called pundits and journalists need to get their terminologies right.

[Exuberance1875]

It is still what i would call Hibs identity. Maybe these so called pundits and journalists need to get their terminologies right.

You aren’t wrong there - usual drivel from them most weeks about the same teams. Rinse and repeat

[Dr What If?]

I didn't think it was hard to understand what Sewart meant. As I understood it he wasn't talking about culture or history, just the fact we didn't seem to have an identifiable style of play and lacked character. Fair assessment of the garbage which we've served up for much of the last few seasons.
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Your spot on with what he meant, never easy to hear Hibs critisised and though I can't disagree we've been garbage, it seems odd that a football professional can't see what several managers have been trying to do. We live in a league that is passionate, blood and snotters.....low in technical technique. I've looked at Hibs the last few years and see we have tried to play a different style, more European....keep the ball, play a technical game, keep possession and wait for the opportunity.
In my humble opinion, we've just not had the players skilled enough in this type of game, at least not good enough to counter the blood and snotters style of most of the teams we face. The OF pay millions to get the players to play the European style so when we come up against them we are playing a game they are simply better at. Basically too soft against most teams, not good enough to worry the OF.
My argument is that we did have a playing style identity, we just were not very good at it. It was different enough from how the rest of the league played, its not a SPFL style and frankly I think Stewart was quite deliberate in his terminology just to make himself sound clever.

[blackpoolhibs]

A winning team has an identity, a team that gets beat as much as us doesnt, unless you happen to be called Hearts.

[Brightside]

The OP is spot on. I saw an exchange on twitter earlier where someone was bemoaning the fact that Aberdeen are better at Supporter engagement etc. Hibs have done almost everything supporters have asked for over the last 5 years, more than we ever did in the past. As others have said nobody cares about this stuff if we win on the park. Thats what's missing not any identity / engagement pish.

[Tyler Durden]

I think there are 2 different conversations. The OP outlines the club history and wider identity very well.

Mikey Stewart and pundits are typically referring to identity in terms of style of play. I would agree with them. Someone mentioned Aberdeen - they are winning games now because their manager has given them an identity and style of play. They work like crazy, they press high, their full backs get in the box and create goals, they play until the final whistle with great intensity. That is why they're doing well with largely the same players, even if they've had a little slump this week.

People don't say they now have a footballing identity because they're winning. They are winning because of the identity, the ethos.

David Gray promised non negotiables etc and he hasn't delivered. You could watch multiple games and not have much idea on what Hibs plan was to score a goal. Hopefully that's now improving slowly.

[RIP]

I just posted this on another thread and it anoys the tits out me. Every second thread on Hibs.net has the 'we have no identity bolocks'.

This is what Hibs identity means to me.

A football club's identity is a combination of its visual identity, its role in the community, and its cultural representation:

Visual identity
A club's visual identity is made up of its colors, badge, and jerseys. This is often the most important identity feature of a football team, and can contribute to the emotional connection between fans.

Cultural representation
A club's role as a cultural representative of a community is one of its most robust identity features. Popular football clubs can act as symbols of a region, and the more effective they are in this role, the more they can strengthen the regional community.

Social milieu
A club's social milieu can also be part of its identity. For example, FC St. Pauli is based in a trendy district of Hamburg, and its fan scene is openly political.
A club's identity is important because it helps the club stand out from other teams, attract new fans, and make decisions about hiring and advertising. A strong identity can also help a club achieve distinction, success, and iconic status.

And we already do all these.

Stop listening to nobs who know SFA about Hibernian Football Club

Speaking personally, I've always felt that there are two completely contrasting faces of Hibernian Football Club.

The first is the working class roots of the club which were clearly evident when my dad took me to Easter Road in 1961. Many of our players and managers came out of the housing schemes. Some board members were builders or bookies. The team had some hard men, particularly in defence. When the players spoke, they spoke in a similar accent to my dad.

As supporters, we were all very much in touch with the roots of our club. My dad's side were 3 generations Leith and my mum's side from the old toon near St Pats. My family plot in in the cemetery near the Famous Five stand.

When I go to the Hibs Club, ride on a supporters bus or mix with the lads standing in Section43, I still feel that strong sense of identification with the club.

However, the disconnect started when I started meeting some of the people running the club. Guys like Rod Petrie and Scott Lindsay were bright, hard-working local men but nevertheless did not seem to connect with the supporter base. By 2011, there seemed to be a two-tier structure at our club with a remote, upper middle class element where the 'Corporates' became 'The Club' and the supporters, instead of being seen as part of 'The Club', we're viewed as mere customers. Very much, a Them and Us situation rather than 'One Club' unity.

Under Leeann, and with directors like Brian Houston, Bruce Langham and Garry O'Hagan I felt their engagement with supporters was more down to earth and they enthusiastically engaged in supporters forums and similar initiatives. They were very plain speaking and approachable.

The players in the Scottish Cup winning team also had a strong contingent of local lads with whom supporters of all ages could identify. Thinking back to the CIS winning team of 2007, that team was also a good mix of home grown and foreign talent like Beuzy, Zemmama and Benji with Collins and Craig in the dugout.

As a lifelong supporter, I felt very connected to those squads.

Now, under a largely American ownership and a CEO who has struggled to win over the support, and having lost home grown lads like Hanlon, and Stevenson, McGregor, I certainly agree with Mikey that our club has lost much of its connection with the City of Edinburgh, with Leith and with the supporter base.

I still love my Hibs. But under the current leadership, the identity of Hibernian Football Club of old is sadly disappearing in a multinational haze of investors, poor PR, a huge squad of transient players and lacking the very essence of who we are.

I'll still buy my season ticket and persevere. GGTTH.

[He's here!]

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The BBC, as a body, wasn’t banned by Rangers. Their reporter Chris McLaughlin had made a comment about sectarian singing when delivering a match report. Rangers then asked BBC not to send him back to Ibrox in future. BBC took a stand saying that they wouldn’t be dictated to so then refused to send any of their reporters for a period of about four or five years so effectively banned themselves. Stewart had nothing to do with it.

You may be thinking of a more recent incident when MS made critical comments about Rangers and “disappeared” from the BBC radio and Tv output for two or three weeks.

Agree that Stewart’s “identity” comments would refer to our lack of style of play.

Yeh, I'm mixing up my pundits! I can't say I paid too much attention to what went on but I seem to recall Jim Traynor being at the heart of it.

[Brizo]

OK fair enough, but as an Irishman myself I'm wondering what more could or should be done in this regard. Because to my mind the club has probably done more to recognise the club's origins since the turn of this century than it had done for decades before that. The harp is back on the badge and on the stadium, there are busts of Hannan and Whelehan at Easter Road, there's a plaque at St Patrick's, there a dedication at Dan McMichaels grave, an official supporters club made that trip to Ballingarry in Limerick etc.

I agree a tour or something next summer would be great

Just for clarification the St Patrick's church plaque , the Dan McMichael gravestone project and the erecting of a commemorative plaque to Canon Hannan in Ballingarry were all initiated and undertaken by the St Pats branch. HFC officials attended the unveiling ceremonies but weren't involved in coming up with these ideas or in the organisation of them. My understanding is that the Hannan and Whelehan busts were commissioned by a group of supporters and gifted to the Club, they also weren't a club initiative.

HFC did of course reintroduce the Harp to our crest alongside other symbols that reflect our wide and varied history and our wide and diverse fan base. In terms of recognising our origins I think the club have got it about right , particularly as Chairmen such as Tom Hart and Kenny Waugh imo swept them too much under the carpet. While I'm probably one of the current owners biggest critics I think they might get things right for our 150th

As to the use of the word "identity" in relation to what happens on the pitch it seems to be the latest pundit buzzword which Michael Stewart especially loves throwing about multiple times every time he's on the wireless. He wasn't as good a player as he thought he was and he's not as good a pundit as he thinks he is.

[Mike Berry]

I just posted this on another thread and it anoys the tits out me. Every second thread on Hibs.net has the 'we have no identity bolocks'.

This is what Hibs identity means to me.

A football club's identity is a combination of its visual identity, its role in the community, and its cultural representation:

Visual identity
A club's visual identity is made up of its colors, badge, and jerseys. This is often the most important identity feature of a football team, and can contribute to the emotional connection between fans.

Cultural representation
A club's role as a cultural representative of a community is one of its most robust identity features. Popular football clubs can act as symbols of a region, and the more effective they are in this role, the more they can strengthen the regional community.

Social milieu
A club's social milieu can also be part of its identity. For example, FC St. Pauli is based in a trendy district of Hamburg, and its fan scene is openly political.
A club's identity is important because it helps the club stand out from other teams, attract new fans, and make decisions about hiring and advertising. A strong identity can also help a club achieve distinction, success, and iconic status.

And we already do all these.

Stop listening to nobs who know SFA about Hibernian Football ClubAgree 100%

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[WhileTheChief..]

We used to hear talk of Hibs playing with flair. That was our identity at the time.

Pep’s Barcelona had a clear identity.

Hearts were always seen as being a bit more physical / dirty, that was their identity.

Italy were defensive or boring. Brazil were free flowing and fast paced. These were their identities.

Not sure why anyone gets so upset by it. Just ignore Michael Stewart!

[Pagan Hibernia]

Just for clarification the St Patrick's church plaque , the Dan McMichael gravestone project and the erecting of a commemorative plaque to Canon Hannan in Ballingarry were all initiated and undertaken by the St Pats branch. HFC officials attended the unveiling ceremonies but weren't involved in coming up with these ideas or in the organisation of them. My understanding is that the Hannan and Whelehan busts were commissioned by a group of supporters and gifted to the Club, they also weren't a club initiative.

HFC did of course reintroduce the Harp to our crest alongside other symbols that reflect our wide and varied history and our wide and diverse fan base. In terms of recognising our origins I think the club have got it about right , particularly as Chairmen such as Tom Hart and Kenny Waugh imo swept them too much under the carpet. While I'm probably one of the current owners biggest critics I think they might get things right for our 150th

As to the use of the word "identity" in relation to what happens on the pitch it seems to be the latest pundit buzzword which Michael Stewart especially loves throwing about multiple times every time he's on the wireless. He wasn't as good a player as he thought he was and he's not as good a pundit as he thinks he is.

Fair enough. Well done the St Pats branch.

Maybe it's down to us as supporters then to push these things (if its what people want) and hope the club get on board.

I also agree that it's about right at the moment. I would be absolutely mortified if we did anything that came across as 'Look how Irish we are!' In the style of that other mob down the M8. Keep it dignified and classy.

In response to Andrews comments about James Connolly. I love the guy and am a keen student of his work and writings, but official recognition from the club for him just isn't going to happen. Far too controversial. Again it might come down to supporters (fans did actually put an East Stand stone on for him if I remember right).

[Northernhibee]

We used to hear talk of Hibs playing with flair. That was our identity at the time.

Pep’s Barcelona had a clear identity.

Hearts were always seen as being a bit more physical / dirty, that was their identity.

Italy were defensive or boring. Brazil were free flowing and fast paced. These were their identities.

Not sure why anyone gets so upset by it. Just ignore Michael Stewart!

Last line is bang on. FWIW I think Michael Stewart is right about Hibs more often than not but if he bothers you that much, just move on.

[He's here!]

Fair enough. Well done the St Pats branch.

Maybe it's down to us as supporters then to push these things (if its what people want) and hope the club get on board.

I also agree that it's about right at the moment. I would be absolutely mortified if we did anything that came across as 'Look how Irish we are!' In the style of that other mob down the M8. Keep it dignified and classy.

In response to Andrews comments about James Connolly. I love the guy and am a keen student of his work and writings, but official recognition from the club for him just isn't going to happen. Far too controversial. Again it might come down to supporters (fans did actually put an East Stand stone on for him if I remember right).

It's a long time since I waded through Alan Lugton's extraordinarly comprehensive triple-volume history of the club, so forgive me if I've forgotten something key about Connolly's connection to the club, but what do you mean by 'official recognition'? The fact he was a passionate Hibs fan has long been well recognised, but apart from the fact he was obviously from among the community that the club originally grew from, what did he do for Hibs that would merit something more official?

[Pagan Hibernia]

It's a long time since I waded through Alan Lugton's extraordinarly comprehensive triple-volume history of the club, so forgive me if I've forgotten something key about Connolly's connection to the club, but what do you mean by 'official recognition'? The fact he was a passionate Hibs fan has long been well recognised, but apart from the fact he was obviously from among the community that the club originally grew from, what did he do for Hibs that would merit something more official?

There's old stories about him carrying the kit for the team or something but I strongly suspect that might be Hibs folklore rather than fact. I don't believe there should be official HFC recognition for him. andrew70 said he had been ignored by the club and my post was in response to that.

[He's here!]

There's old stories about him carrying the kit for the team or something but I strongly suspect that might be Hibs folklore rather than fact. I don't believe there should be official HFC recognition for him. andrew70 said he had been ignored by the club and my post was in response to that.

Thanks, yes those stories ring a bell but as you say I don't think there's much to back them up. It's the quote in his letter from America about being gutted to hear of Hearts beating Hibs that carries most clout.

A few myths also attached to Harry Swan and his part in diluting the Irish connection.

[AndyM_1875]

Thanks, yes those stories ring a bell but as you say I don't think there's much to back them up. It's the quote in his letter from America about being gutted to hear of Hearts beating Hibs that carries most clout.

A few myths also attached to Harry Swan and his part in diluting the Irish connection.

A lot of those myths are utter fabrications and are peddled by Sellik clowns.

[Kato]

There's old stories about him carrying the kit for the team or something but I strongly suspect that might be Hibs folklore rather than fact. I don't believe there should be official HFC recognition for him. andrew70 said he had been ignored by the club and my post was in response to that.Lugton has it JC was a ball boy for Hibs.

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[hibsbollah]

Lugton has it JC was a ball boy for Hibs.

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We went to the GPO museum in Dublin last year, and although I knew a bit about him through school and all the polarised sectarianism in this country, it was a really impressive snapshot of history, and obvious what a revered and major figure he clearly was to the Irish people. A must-visit if youre in Dublin. And we should be able to say he was a heroic figure without that being in any way controversial. Obviously thats not the real world, sadly.

[Kato]

We went to the GPO museum in Dublin last year, and although I knew a bit about him through school and all the polarised sectarianism in this country, it was a really impressive snapshot of history, and obvious what a revered and major figure he clearly was to the Irish people. A must-visit if youre in Dublin. And we should be able to say he was a heroic figure without that being in any way controversial. Obviously thats not the real world, sadly.There is also his magnificent statue in the centre of Dublin.

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[The Tubs]

Would it not be like Fulham having a statue of Michael Jackson? It would definitely make sense for Edinburgh City Council to acknowledge him, however.

[Pagan Hibernia]

There is also his magnificent statue in the centre of Dublin.

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You can just tell that man's Hibs as f*** cant you. Never owned a cardigan in his life.

[He's here!]

Would it not be like Fulham having a statue of Michael Jackson? It would definitely make sense for Edinburgh City Council to acknowledge him, however.

As in they were both 'celebrity fans'?!

Superstar American pop icon who attended one Fulham game in the company of their vile owner v a passionate, Edinburgh-born lifelong Hibs fan who was part of the community which founded the club?

Nobody as far as I'm aware is suggesting a statue of Connolly at ER anyway.

[The Tubs]

As in they were both 'celebrity fans'?!

Superstar American pop icon who attended one Fulham game in the company of their vile owner v a passionate, Edinburgh-born lifelong Hibs who was part of the community which founded the club?

Nobody as far as I'm aware is suggesting a statue of Connolly at ER anyway.

All I'm saying is that clubs generally don't honour supporters, while cities honour illustrious natives.

[CanonHannon]

Scottish Irish club based in Edinburgh. Personally I love everything about our club past and present. Hibernian - Erin Go Bragh. :scarf:

[He's here!]

All I'm saying is that clubs generally don't honour supporters, while cities honour illustrious natives.

Whether clubs honour supporters or not there's zero equivalence between Connolly's support for Hibs and Jackson's for Fulham.

[The Tubs]

Whether clubs honour supporters or not there's zero equivalence between Connolly's support for Hibs and Jackson's for Fulham.

Christ, you enjoy an argument about nothing. I'll leave it here.

[TelaStella]

Speaking personally, I've always felt that there are two completely contrasting faces of Hibernian Football Club.

The first is the working class roots of the club which were clearly evident when my dad took me to Easter Road in 1961. Many of our players and managers came out of the housing schemes. Some board members were builders or bookies. The team had some hard men, particularly in defence. When the players spoke, they spoke in a similar accent to my dad.

As supporters, we were all very much in touch with the roots of our club. My dad's side were 3 generations Leith and my mum's side from the old toon near St Pats. My family plot in in the cemetery near the Famous Five stand.

When I go to the Hibs Club, ride on a supporters bus or mix with the lads standing in Section43, I still feel that strong sense of identification with the club.

However, the disconnect started when I started meeting some of the people running the club. Guys like Rod Petrie and Scott Lindsay were bright, hard-working local men but nevertheless did not seem to connect with the supporter base. By 2011, there seemed to be a two-tier structure at our club with a remote, upper middle class element where the 'Corporates' became 'The Club' and the supporters, instead of being seen as part of 'The Club', we're viewed as mere customers. Very much, a Them and Us situation rather than 'One Club' unity.

Under Leeann, and with directors like Brian Houston, Bruce Langham and Garry O'Hagan I felt their engagement with supporters was more down to earth and they enthusiastically engaged in supporters forums and similar initiatives. They were very plain speaking and approachable.

The players in the Scottish Cup winning team also had a strong contingent of local lads with whom supporters of all ages could identify. Thinking back to the CIS winning team of 2007, that team was also a good mix of home grown and foreign talent like Beuzy, Zemmama and Benji with Collins and Craig in the dugout.

As a lifelong supporter, I felt very connected to those squads.

Now, under a largely American ownership and a CEO who has struggled to win over the support, and having lost home grown lads like Hanlon, and Stevenson, McGregor, I certainly agree with Mikey that our club has lost much of its connection with the City of Edinburgh, with Leith and with the supporter base.

I still love my Hibs. But under the current leadership, the identity of Hibernian Football Club of old is sadly disappearing in a multinational haze of investors, poor PR, a huge squad of transient players and lacking the very essence of who we are.

I'll still buy my season ticket and persevere. GGTTH.

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[hibsbollah]

You can just tell that man's Hibs as f*** cant you. Never owned a cardigan in his life.

Agree. I can also confirm he at no point drove a Rover.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

We went to the GPO museum in Dublin last year, and although I knew a bit about him through school and all the polarised sectarianism in this country, it was a really impressive snapshot of history, and obvious what a revered and major figure he clearly was to the Irish people. A must-visit if youre in Dublin. And we should be able to say he was a heroic figure without that being in any way controversial. Obviously thats not the real world, sadly.

I don’t consider it controversial, he’s one of my heroes. Unfortunately we share our country with religious extremists who take exception to his existence. Good Hibs man oor James.


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